Auto Target in PVP is Same As Aimbot in FPS games.

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Bleyken's picture
Bleyken
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@Coolnew I'll buy elemental max too.

@Psychodestroyer You write too much... You are boring....

Mtax's picture
Mtax
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More than AA, annoying are those "pros", who crying all the time "Booo! AA noob!".
'Delete it from game!'

Dendios's picture
Dendios
@Zaffy is Luffy-kun : I am

@Zaffy is Luffy-kun :

I am not sure I understood what you mean, but if you think UVs and Heart Trinkets don't make a big deal, then I have to disagree with you. UVs not only make you attack faster, they also give you immunities from many status. ASI gives you a Huge power-up because it makes your opponent doesn't know when to dash and when to attack. To be honest, a F2P can get these super UVs, but not in a long time only, it may take nearly 2 months just to get ASI VH Flourish.

And heart trinkets ? Before I crafted them, I used to get killed in 2 attacks, and I hated LD since then. But after I made the, they lent me a longer lifespan, enabling me to kill others and also capturing points. They are the MAIN problem for the unbalance in LD, but that's still my opinion.

And if you wondered how did I calculate the 2 months, there is an application that calculate how much CE do you want, and how much time it will take you to get the X amount of CE or CR. Thanks to Mhmok <(^_^<)

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Zaffy-Laffy

What I meant to say was that UVs and heart trinkets are obtainable by everyone, though just only faster for the pay to play players. The fact that everyone can get these uvs and heart trinkets makes any argument against using uv and heart trinkets weak, because you might as well step up a little and start going to Punch for UVs and crafting heart trinkets.

Of course it gets harder for the free to play.

However, think of Lockdown as any other competition. You would definitely put on your best gear, put on your best game face and play hard, so why is it so hard to acknowledge that logic in here? Don't say Uvs are like steroids, because it is definitely not illegal and it is achievable by everyone in the game

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Psychodestroyer

"@Psychodestroyer You write too much... You are boring...."

You write too little. Why at all, if you have nothing to say?

Seriously, if you have a problem with me, out with it already. Don't dance around poking at me with a stick. It's irritating, rude, and it's a waste of time.

Bleyken's picture
Bleyken
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Zaderules's picture
Zaderules

Pffft. Them Skolver Clones. I actually enjoy fighting against UV'd Skolvers. I don't have ASI UV'd Swords or any good UV'd Skolver Outfits. Whether they use AT or not, I still enjoy fighting them. Whenever I kill them, I feel accomplished because I was able to fight them without any good UV'd gear.

My Regular Loadout:
Vog Cub Cap/Snarbolax Coat
ASI Med Trinket
Penta Heart Trinket
Final Flourish (Undead VH UV..... Like thats helpful.... I mean everyone's technically undead... so.... >.>)
Gran Faust (Beast Low UV.... Useful for taming wild beasts in Lockdown.....)

As you can see, without UVs I am able to achieve ASI Max. I still do significant damage with only Damage VH. And, notice I have no Piercing Resist. So.... I usually would die in 3-4 FF strikes or 2 GF strikes.

Nevertheless, it is still fun whether anyone uses AT or not.

Timbalero's picture
Timbalero
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Some people likes to rant about it on the forums, some people just don't care and use it.

And the clockworks keep spinning...

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/33417442.jpg

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Shamanalah
AT gives a chance for bad

AT gives a chance for bad player to actually enjoy something and not get train-wrecked by decked out 3 max UV's on Skolver set + 2 penta heart + ASI Max/DMG Max and CTR Max on everything

yes, please take it out now so that LD = P2P only, please

So now you will all shut up about this AT nonsense, the bad player will come on the forum and ask for the AT to come back

Then all the P2P LD "pros" will turn mad because they invested hard-earned mommy's cash to pay their decked out UV gear

Just shut up and enjoy the game

Coolnew's picture
Coolnew
I repeat what's my opinion

I repeat what's my opinion since nobody told me his opinion about:

<< the unfair thing is when a random guy who isn't even involved in your fight kills you just because his finger mistakenly fell on the mouse button while he wasn't even watching at you there >>

(Almost) all the other things pointed out (by Xxdragneel) are good points and I agree with all of them. But I still find bad that AA ***FOLLOWS*** the opponent who used skill to run around you, and hits him without any merit (vogs spamclicking their BTB).

UVs are just UVs. Those are not the point since who has UVs can enable AA. That'd be even worse. Anyway for those UV, get good in market, be rich and buy em. (looks easy lol xD) Who has UVs has em because of some merit (yes, even real money: they spent money... it is something. not skill... but something) of getting the crowns to buy em.

@Contri, you need shock:max. forget elemental cuz i don't use hammer much.

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@Xxdragneel #49

"And when did I say you use AT?"

I just said i didnt. lots of ppl dont know who use AT and who doesnt. Does everything I say have to be an argument to something you said?

"( Example : You ) with VH asi on everything"

"And you think ASI high isn't a big deal? sigh..."

You said i had ASI VH on everything, i said i dont. What is your problem?

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Lskyx's picture
Lskyx
lol Shamanala

1)You dont need to be p2p to have good gear...
2)The players who have played longer and have more experience will always have an advantage in ld..
3)Instead of QQ'ing about gear you cant beat, you need to do some grinding and investing (merchant money brings riches) to get better gear.

So... Idk what you are saying xD

But yea, no-AT will put us to a better game experience. Less whining and moaning. + More skillful play

anyways.. lets resolve this with...

ANOTHER IDEA - I need to find Thrillhaus's thread about changing match options for gvg. (It had a chose map option/4v4 or 5v5 option/And many other great features on menu) Im thinking this way we can have no-AT matches, and still available AT matches. {Please link if you find this thread}

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Icegill's picture
Icegill
@Shamanala

Your statement about everyone getting decked by 3 max uv'd skolver clones with pentas is completely off the charts.

Everyone in a skolver set has the potential to beat anyone else. Some more than others, obviously. This is just a first idea.

Secondly, just because you don't have max uvs and max ASI does not mean that you can't beat a 3 MAX uv'd skolver 'clone'. Knight A happens to be good at LD and has vanilla armor, ASI med flourish, ASI low GF, valiance. He goes against Knight B who has Pierce max X2, Normal max X2, Shadow max X2, ASI VH BTB, GF, Volt Driver, Polaris. Knight B's skills are poor.

If these two knights 1v1. Knight B will not always win as you're stating.

@OP; AT should be a function in which people should not care about, people should care about how they can beat AT users, not complain about them.

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Lskyx's picture
Lskyx
LOL

lol he said I didnt read his post
lol he said he was just making an observation xD

:P Ok let me put this into simpler terms. Players will get an advantage by gear -Deal with it :)
This DOES NOT mean LD will be P2P only +1whatIcegillSaid

I dont want to hear that "boo hoo I dont have money so I cant has guud UV" crap ever again xD

(edit: post 69 get :D)

Feline-Grenadier's picture
Feline-Grenadier
well...

The only nuisance I have with AA in LD is with melee clones. But then I just swing dat Faust/Avenger/CIV (<---LOLIKR) while using AA and it gets 'em. :o

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Dr-Storm
NO!

I WILL STILL USE IT...AA is essential for bombing, without it I'll be missing a lot of striker clones :P
SAY YES to AA bombing XD

Hawxindanite's picture
Hawxindanite
DIE THREAD DIE!!!

AA threads...... Y U NO SHUT UP!

Seriously. There's a thing called BAD LATENCY OVER HERE WHERE I LIVE!!!

So please graveyard this thread like what Ironskull said

@Ironskullkid
Likin' the memes ;)

Our-Little-Ajo
Some facts

Having max UVs in armor only gives you one more hit, if a player hits you 3 times, without doubt he can hit you 4.
Triple max is not only to P2P players, good f2p merchs handle between 9 or more millions to get UVs.
Auto target fix your aim in the first hit, after second and third swing the aim is 100% robotic.
Gives you more range because you hit with the full range of the weapon.
Triple max skolvers are the one who abbuse more of the second and third swing.
Without auto-target active LD players miss 70% of swings due to a lack of aim (watch the no-at tournament vids, you can see ther the difference).
There's no brandish line users that DOESN'T use auto-target, because the range and aim if that weapon is hard to control.
Valiance users cut the attacks with AT without aim, without at they loose accouracy in a big %.

Players without UVs have bigger chance to defeat a max UVs skolver without AT in both sides, than max skolver without miss any hit, watch Chriss videos. 3 hit combo all the time max skolver, he beat ppl because he lands more hits thanks to AT and he could recieve more hits thanks to UVs.

Without AT LD will be 100% movement, latency and skill, more competitive and team play, and not just spam brandish, selaed sword or flourish line.

I wrote this from a ld player point of view, if some one dissagree please make it with reasons and respect.

Oatmonster's picture
Oatmonster
Lick Number 58425

"but apparently people paid good crowns to get them."
That hasn't stopped OOO before, they just need to put out some botched "compensation" scheme.

Softhead's picture
Softhead
may i ask one thing?

Why do you people care so much?

If you're SOO good enough to beat the users, then please shut up.

And besides, considering that Non AA users go off and be renegades, that is not valid and using that thing like a scapegoat makes you look like an idiot.

If you beat one, not be a totla A-hole about it and contribute to this problem, like these people always do, and just smirk, and eat some cake.

Galanthus's picture
Galanthus
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>Uses shield-cancelling/weapon-switching tricks
>Complains about AT/AA
...what?

Ghost-Of-Manlet's picture
Ghost-Of-Manlet
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Go back to 4chan, sport.

Gwenyvier's picture
Gwenyvier
AA = Aim in the general

AA = Aim in the general direction of the closest enemy near your mouse within a certain distance. Hurts gunners, useless to bombers, and only useful to swordies that don't have 180 degree swings. Doesn't guarantee anything.

Aimbot = headshot. Headshot = Instant kill.

I see nothing the same.

That being said... I use heavy swords, meaning I have 180 degree swings. So I have no reason to use it.

~Gwen

Bulby's picture
Bulby
My thoughts:

Despite all the criticisms and reasoning and logic, I STILL don't understand why people complain about AT.

1st: it's a game mechanic that was fully intended to do what it does.

2nd: It does NOT perfect your game by any means. Your ability to dodge attacks will always win out against your aim.

3rd: Why all this arrogance? Why do you care?" "Oh, I'm Mr. Awesome here because I don't use AT and anyone that bests me is using AT and therefore sucks and not be allowed to do that". That's pathetic. You should ne trying to improve your own skills instead of saying "Well, they used this option, but I didn't and they beat me so they should have that taken away". I fail to see the logic in that.

4th: If nobody can beat you without AT, then you should happy you actually have a challenge. Plus, some people might not actually have the time to dedicate to perfecting their aim to that degree, but would still like to participate.

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Bulby

Also, on the whole aimbot thing. Aimbots are always ALWAYS a third-party program. AT on the other hand, is as much of a game option as using gamepad or mouse. Therefore, it isn't cheating and shouldn't be treated like it is.

Our-Little-Ajo
You're a AT dependent

I understand your position, only because you and your mates will have to learn how to aim for themselves.

But seriously, use your brain..

How can you dodge a gf swing autoaimed??

A 3 hit combo with brandish at short distance?? A 3 hit combo with ASI VH like the ones your team mates throw??

Your buddys are the perfect example of UVs, good latency, 3 hit combo spamers, second GF swing abbuse, autoaimed valiance. Things that in a regular pvp game will never happen..

The second and third swing do WAY more damage than first, and autoaim helps way more in thise hits, specially in short distance.

i've seen thousand of imposible moves that hits you and sometimes kills you without a real intention.

I still remember craftyzen matches without AT in the tournament, he missed 90% of swings, but in randoms with AT, only experiemced players could face him... And you're still asking if makes a differece?? You have to be dumb or AT user to defend the feature.

Softhead's picture
Softhead
By striker boosting.

And you have to be immature to keep on complaing about it.

Get over it.

We've all heard it, we've all countered it, we've had threads of the same bull, and from the crybabies who are acting like CoD kiddies.

Seriously, get over it.

As I said, why do you care so much, if you can beat it.

Go home, you are drunk.

Bulby's picture
Bulby

Good sir, you have no right to call me AT dependant. The last time I fought against you I had no AT equipped and still overpowered you. It also makes me chuckle that you know so little about AT when it comes to gunning. AT only works if you're NOT walking. Most of the time one uses a valiance, it's while in motion. A stationary gunner is a dead man.

BTW, last time I checked craftyzen didn't use AT.

Our-Little-Ajo
Bad comparisson

CoD doesn't have aimbot.

Our-Little-Ajo
So easy to talk

AT dependant, im sure you don't even know how to turn it off.

Lskyx's picture
Lskyx
Sorry but...

C'mon now, guys.

It has nothing to do with if we can beat AT players or not. It is about how we can make the game better and more enjoyable for everyone. Look.. Im not one to complain about AT, and I adjust my dodges accordingly to whoever uses it. But lets just stop and think...

By making the game skill based instead of randomly clicking based, it will make PvP a better playing field... Hear me out. (Instead of telling us to shut up thus not helping us benefit the game)

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Lets look at it this way.
The good fights are: Skillful player vs Skillful player/ Player who actually DESERVES the hit vs Player who actually DESERVES the hit.
A lame fight is: Random click vs Random click

Honestly, how can you sit there and say non-AT PvP would be bad?

Our-Little-Ajo
Crafty in tourney

Was the biggest fail after thrillaus, you don't even know how a no AT players lolks like...

Setings -- control -- at the end aimbot off

Try it pal !!!!

Softhead's picture
Softhead
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Softhead's picture
Softhead
Please, by all means. Go ask for a petition.

I don't use At, I bomb.

Now, I care for the idiots who act like Feller and spam the game with their condesending crying.

Go to "Look over your life".

Click Introspection.

Try it!

Softhead's picture
Softhead
Also.

Does that mean lock on or CoDs ready aim are aimbots?

Eh?

There are two that fall in.
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One which are hacked and give a deadly advantage only onto your pc(not AT as several people said, it's more of a hinderance), others are:

Some games have "auto-aim" as an option in the game. This is not the same as an aimbot; it simply helps the user to aim, usually by slowing the movement of 'looking/aiming' while the crosshair is on or near a target.

AT, is a Lock on. However, it's a lock on that is horribly bad, as you can't have a trigger(it's hold), you can't switch targets and Targets wrong targets sometimes(unlike KH's one, it's not as good)

Which raises another question.

Is Kh's AT system NEWBISH AND NEEDS TO BE REMOVED?

You target enemies, go foward to them, and makes the game easier!

Lskyx's picture
Lskyx
Softhead... uh

You are taking what he said about aimbots WAY to literal, bro. You just sound ridiculous xD sorry.

Irokwe's picture
Irokwe
AT =/= Aimbot

Autotarget "locks on" to the enemy nearest to the mouse.
Aimbot locks on to the enemy nearest to the player.

In games where there is aimbot, shots don't take a while to fly through the air, they just hit a moment after being shot (usually).
Autotarget shoots at where they were standing when the attack was initiated, it doesn't follow them (except with hammer dash I believe).

Aimbot is a hack, or cheat, something you shouldn't be using unless a) you're and epic noob or b) you are legit enough to code one yourself (no, copy-pasting code does not count)
Autotarget is implemented into the game.

Generally, Aimbot is much more devastating. Aimbot pretty much makes sure you hit, while AT just assists a bit.
They aren't really that comparable.

Softhead's picture
Softhead
I Like talking like that.

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Bert-Banana's picture
Bert-Banana
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I really do love these threads.

Don't mind me, I'll be here watching.

Softhead's picture
Softhead
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Keep watching.

This is not the end of this.

Bulby's picture
Bulby

Whoops, silly me. How stupid and childish of me to question the might and reasoning of the mighty Feller. -_-

Bulby's picture
Bulby

Evidently, you didn't read my post "pal". I had AT disabled and have had it disabled for a few weeks now and I still beat you. It's really not that difficult to get use to, but if you're just going to keep calling me a liar because OH MY GOSH THERE'S NO WAY YOU COULD LEGITIMATELY LOSE, then I can't help you.

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Shamanalah
@ Lskyx

It has nothing to do with if we can beat AT players or not. It is about how we can make the game better and more enjoyable for everyone.

Look.. Im not one to complain about AT, and I adjust my dodges accordingly to whoever uses it. But lets just stop and think...

You actually do complain about AT... and the taking that off would take away so much fun bad player are having regardless of the "pros" who think otherwise, for 1 pro there is 10 noob if not 100-1000

By making the game skill based instead of randomly clicking based, it will make PvP a better playing field... Hear me out. (Instead of telling us to shut up thus not helping us benefit the game)

Take out the gear, go into BN, the smartest man will win. LD is not balanced because it take your gear in, BN = you, your brain, yourself and nothing else

The good fights are: Skillful player vs Skillful player/ Player who actually DESERVES the hit vs Player who actually DESERVES the hit.
A lame fight is: Random click vs Random click

I actually enjoy myself even if I'm bad at some game, I epicly s**k at SC2 and LoL but that doesn't prevent me from enjoying myself, even while losing. A fun game is a fun game, it's not when you are a try-hard

Honestly, how can you sit there and say non-AT PvP would be bad?

Because only a few % of LD player would actually enjoy it, the few % that is on the forum, the other MAJOR % on the game that never gets on the forum like it that way

And again

Just shut up and enjoy the game

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Shamanalah
@ Lskyx

lol he said I didnt read his post
lol he said he was just making an observation xD

:P Ok let me put this into simpler terms. Players will get an advantage by gear -Deal with it :)
This DOES NOT mean LD will be P2P only +1whatIcegillSaid

You obviously doesn't even respond to what I ask you

Seriously, the community is getting worst the more I stick on LD Thread

This is becoming so much pathetic.

"this is the way it should be! Because I think so and everything I think is right!"
Seems like an army of mentally disabled Sheldon Cooper

Laylla's picture
Laylla
free hugs!

A typical post here:

1. A CRUCIAL statement: Do you use AT or not? (the truth is irrelevant here, nobody believes you after all) - it's like "to be or not to be"

2. Another thing is to explain for the 69th what the AT is (of course everyone here has their own interpretation) and remember: nobody's right but you

4. (whining and moaning mode: ON) - your opinion on AT: "it's for nuuuubs!", "omg AT is lame", "I hate AT", "it doesn't matter!"

5. Don't forget to emphasise how you HATE SUCH THREADS!!

6. Rage at ppl posting before you "wow you're an idiot!", "get over it!", "lol where's my socket?!"

6.5 (optional) - rage about the latency, UVed gear, ce revs; say something about Feller, Thrillhaus, your broken mouse, your screen turning itself off out of sudden, use meme generator etc etc

7. Don't forget to say "I don't care" in the end together with "shut up and enjoy the game"

Congratz, here's your perfect post.

PS: there should be a questionnaire form, it would be easier to fill it in.
PS2: AA noob boombers: Let's unite!

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