"The Birdsong Construction Co. was just approved a contract in Haven. I'm not sure what it is they're building, but I know they work fast."
-From the twitter feed of the Impostocube that pretends to be Nick Popovich.
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Any bets on what we'll be seeing?
I bet it's an Auction House.
I bet it's the Core. In Haven.
I bet it's an Auction House.
I bet it's the Core. In Haven.
The Core is an Auction House? I guess money does make the world go round.
I hope there is also new content/bosses to explore as well. I need an excuse to play again. :(
Almost certainly the AH, there's been hints of it floating around for a bit now.
Nah, they won't get to that for another 2 expansions.
Barbering is hard!
please be auction house!
If they have a content update WITHOUT putting in the AH, there'll be mass outcries. So it'll probably be that.
Could be PvP arena.
It was in the preview afterall.
You can't even do PVP in this game, what is wrong with you people.
aw crap..does this mean its going to be a weekend release of something? That means I'm going to miss it =x
Birdsong Construction Co.
C'mon guys, someone fill me on this. where was this found? Must know. :)
anyone will do, just curious about what this is about. thx guys!
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"C'mon guys, someone fill me on this. where was this found? Must know. :)"
You can't PVP NOW, but PVP battles were in the beta. So I heard, anyway.
They were removed before release.
East side or Auction house or both? Maybe PVP. I think the need for an auction house is pretty obvious at this point with Trade Chat so that might be the next thing we see, over PVP.
"They work fast" I like the sound of that.
"I'm an angry person filled with bitterness and hate, I see the world as stagnating piece of $##% where people are rude, have no manners and most are STUPID."
At the very least you get kudos for not excluding yourself. Although, "everyone is like me!" is still a pretty egocentric comment.
"As for the rest of that hoohah. The only way you are getting PVP in this game is if you use default everyting to do it otherwise it wouldn't be fair to have someone up against a calibur and someone else with say a cutter.
^That is why I say PVP isn't possible and that's just weapons."
Well, see http://wiki.spiralknights.com/PvP for how it worked in preview. Basically, the arena had different tiers, each with gear restricted to a certain star level. This worked OK. (You may still run into problems with fairness if a very rich player decides to heavily invest in a set of maxed out 1-star UV gear.)
P.S. I love how in your damaged brain, "I don't how X would work", translates to "X is impossible".
Here's to hoping it'll be something from this list.
Anyway, I hope the update comes soon, this bit of news that something is coming makes me SO want to know what it is..
It'll be new gates for guilds. Believe it!
Trias, I could be wrong here, but both Cutter and Calibur are 2* weapons.
Calibur and Cutter both fall into the T2 category, but I see how it could be unbalanced. The best way it would work is if everyone was given weapons of the same type, but that's boring.
If it was real life, you wouldn't blame a person for bringing a knife to a gunfight. You just shoot him.
Sucks to be wearing a Cutter now.
It's the way you use it. Some people rage, some people do one swing shield, some people just place bombs and run away, some people just shoot and shield...
I meant in a typical case. People don't work like a Rock-Paper-Scissors game, so there are always exceptions.
The game is not a fully balanced to the point that every weapon is perfectly equal though, so some weapons are better than others. The inverse is true as well, as some are worse.
Of course, I'm sure there are some who believe the Prismatech Alchemer is as useful as its counterparts. But I am speaking in a general case.
Using specific sets of PvP gear sounds fine to me. While it's not really an equitable comparison, I quite liked the arena battles in Monster Hunter 3: each battle had pre-assigned combinations of equipment and a few items you had to pick who got while in the waiting room. It made battles skill-determinant and had everybody on a level playing field. (At least theoretically- I know there were some complaints that certain combos were far weaker than others, but oh well.)
About time we get something new! I'm so bored when I get online! q_q
PvP would be fairly simple to implement I would think. Break it into 5 different tiers. Each Tier allows gear up to a certain number of stars. Tier 5 you can use any gear you like. Tier 3 you can only use 3* gear and below. PvP would also make some of the less useful gear (like ANYTHING with piercing resistance) much more useful as you have no idea what you're going to encounter in the arena. Obviously costume armor would have to be turned off in PvP as hiding Vog Cub under starter armor would be far too close to cheating.
~Gwen
I seem to remember at Beta a certain bird that hosted PvP events by the name of Pinwheel.
In PvP Beta, the arenas indeed were set up in tiers to limit gear at specific star levels. There was also a no restrictions tier. If you are a serious contender, the idea is that you learn which combination of gear works best against your opponents. If you notice a trend that leaves opponents weak to shadow damage or piercing damage, you take advantage of that weakness by equipping yourself appropriately. PvP is as much a battle of wits as it is skill.
Grasping the Rock-Paper-Scissors concept is a necessity in becoming successful in PvP and RPG games which are based on the Rock-Paper-Scissor model.
Meanwhile, maxed UVs are meaningless to a rich player unless he has the skill and attention span to counter what his opponents have brought to the arena. Being maxed out on UVs might make someone stand out as a conspicuous target for the rest of the participants to gang up on.
Ingenuity and cunning has a way of adding balance to an overpowered opponent. If you want to defeat the top player, watch his videos. Watch his pattern of play. Watch for weaknesses and strengths. If all else fails, gang up on the dude as you would gang up on Vanaduke.
PvP would also make for a fantastic crown sink. Host weekly tournaments and let players gamble their crowns (or even CE) on them. Have the payout and odds automatically update to reflect the bets. Have the house take a hefty margin from the bets. Make PvP cost crowns only, like in Beta.
Throw up a board in Haven that lets players see the health and scores of the tourney PvPers in real-time so they can 'watch' the match without having to go through the trouble of coding a special spectator mode for that.
Lol Godofskype! So many things just happened with you that made me laugh.
i seriously hope is auction house.
OFFTOPIC:
And BTW RapBreon i been looking for you in game to trade please leave me ur ign :)
It's my forum name. Been busy though atm, that and I have think we play at completely opposite times.
can you get on soon to make the deal of the voltech alchemer 4* gun? kind of need the CE ;(
At the very least you get kudos for not excluding yourself. Although, "everyone is like me!" is still a pretty egocentric comment.
Actually I wasn't talking about me, most people aren't like me. I am not normal, which is why I have problems with people's BS and stupidity. I'm actually a fairly decent person but SOME people just anger me to no end.
I'm glad that some actually thought about PVP and how it would be difficult to implement considering the horrible balances of the weapons and the game, instead of just saying lololol it was in the preview event so it's coming here herpderp. To which I ask you, if it was in the preview event, where is it now?
Also in reference to the Preview Event...I'm really, really, really, really, REALLY sick and tired of YOU PEOPLE bringing up that Preview Event. It was a closed beta, only being done by a SPECIFIC NUMBER OF PEOPLE, UNDER CLOSED CIRCUMSTANCES, IN AN UNCHANGING SETTING. Now that the game is fully launched and out of beta, there are far too many variables to keep bringing up the preview event, SHUT IT.
But the preview event is a solid indicator a feature may be implemented because it has been once before, unless there is servre problems with it, it'll probably be polished and re-introduced with a better implementation. There may be variables preventing it's release, you don't know for certain, but the side who claim it's an indicator have more evidence for it will, than it won't.
Btw Skype, you're pretty normal, you're just angry, been there.
I would say the preview event is a good idea for upgrades, but not economy. However they removed PVP because it was unbalanced, so don't expect to be getting it back while all these other balance issues still exist.
Actually I wasn't talking about me, most people aren't like me. I am not normal, which is why I have problems with people's BS and stupidity. I'm actually a fairly decent person but SOME people just anger me to no end.
You know what angers me to no end? People who are stupid and then get upset about the perceived stupidity of others.
To which I ask you, if it was in the preview event, where is it now?
Well, it was disabled since the feature was still considered to be in beta.
Of course, it is not completely balanced. Some gear (at a certain star level) will be better for PvP, than others just like in the single player part in the game. Is this a fatal problem? Not really, since the requirements of PvP are different from the single player game, people will be getting sets specifically for PvP. If some set of gear is much better than the rest, this will result in everybody having the same PvP gear. A bit boring, yes, but nothing fatal.
An interesting aspect is that what gear is "good" for PvP might be fairly different from what gear is good in single player. For example, piercing defense is fairly useless in game because very few (though) opponents deal piercing damage. In PvP, you will be facing antique series piercing guns, which makes piercing armor a fairly interesting prospect. On the other hand, you will also be facing alchemers and avengers, so at top level vog cub may still be the way to go. That would, however, great an extra incentive to using piercing weapons.
Also in reference to the Preview Event...I'm really, really, really, really, REALLY sick and tired of YOU PEOPLE bringing up that Preview Event. It was a closed beta, only being done by a SPECIFIC NUMBER OF PEOPLE, UNDER CLOSED CIRCUMSTANCES, IN AN UNCHANGING SETTING. Now that the game is fully launched and out of beta, there are far too many variables to keep bringing up the preview event, SHUT IT.
Ah, poor little puppy.
Also, the preview event was basically an OPEN beta. Basically anybody could register.
If it's the auction system, I'll be happy because it'll be easier to find the items I need.
If it's the PvP system, I'll also be happy because this argument will be over.
An update straight from the Spiral Knights Facebook page, Half an hour ago;
"A contract for two new structures in Haven was just awarded to the Birdsong Construction Co. Wonder what they'll build? You're in luck--we'll post about it here in the coming days!"
Two new structures, It could very well be both an Auction House and PvP, or something else completely unprecedented! (Perhaps a bank or guild banking..?)
"If some set of gear is much better than the rest, this will result in everybody having the same PvP gear. A bit boring, yes, but nothing fatal."
Trias, in my experience in other games, the creation of a meta set also involves the creation of an anti-meta set. I'm sure that someone out there will create a set that is meant for killing people wearing typical build, but that won't stop people from using the meta gear. It'll, at least, bring variety into the game though, so there is no worry about boredom.
Balance will the the main cause for concern, but it always is and always will be. I don't see the point of using a slow, easy to block Alchemer in PvP settings, but the Antigua series (specifically the Sentenza) may appear. I'm also expecting the Callahan to be of some use, as most people use armor or elemental defense and not Shadow or Piercing.
Personally, I would go with (subject to change depending on actual information):
Swords: Final Flourish or Gran Faust
Guns: Callahan or Sentenza
Bombs: Shivermist Buster or Nitronome
Reasons for above:
Flourish: Nice, fast power for Piercing. The final attack has a knockback stun (not the status effect), which, considering Flourish's attack range, is easy to chain. The Rigadoon could also be useful, but I don't see the utility of stun in a game setting where deaths are quick and stun rate is low.
Gran Faust: High Shadow/Normal damage. A single combo or two could probably kill people. It's a bit difficult to chain into (hearsay, I'm not sure), but it can end a fight in a couple of hits.
Callahan: High piercing damage. Fast bullets. Hard to dodge, hard to block.
Sentenza: Shadow/Piercing damage. Fast bullets, low damage but many shots. Chained shots are easily blockable, but it can pepper an opponent with damage while you walk backwards.
Shivermist Buster: Freeze and Sword Spam is really the only reason I recommend this. It could be easily blockable though.
Nitronome: Bomb people who are unaware.
When you compare to the reasons above, you can see why it would be unbalanced.
Nova Driver: Enough said.
Venom Veiler: Poison them so they can't heal and do 5 less damage per hit.
Wild Hunting Blade: Yay.
It's dependent on the people not to use these items for balance. I suppose the way I'm describing it is the way I'm most familiar with, Tournament Style Yu-Gi-Oh. There are many meta-sets and many anti-meta sets. It's your responsibility not to make a deck of 60 Level 8 Monsters and walk into tournaments believing you can win.
And it's (mostly) up to player to decide how well the set is played.
Although balance is an issue, you should not worry about the people who suck.
Just kill them.
From previous experience with pvp (in the preview event)...
In the arena you're probably best off with heavy weapons. As soon as someone gets hit, they get a brief period of invulnerability. This makes total damage on a weapon kinda irrelevant, as you'll only be able to land one hit at a time, which makes heavy weapons the most efficient.
So Sentenza or Final Flourish might sound like a great idea because of their damage types and swift attack, but my guess is they will be a bit underwhelming compared to Callahan and Gran Faust.
Experienced arena players use their shields mostly against gunners. There's no point in shielding yourself against someone that you can smack with a sword, since your shield is gonna break anyway if you let them keep bashing you. Timing your attacks against an approaching opponent is terribly difficult considering latency and all that, so you'll see people actually using the second swings on their 2-hitters as well instead of shield-cancelling.
Two constructions?!
I think we are looking at Auction House and PVP hopefully by next week!?
Regarding Gran Faust: I can picture curse ending a match very, very quickly.
If we get the Auction House and PvP at the same time, I will implode with glee.
Everyone is hoping that it would be a PvP arena or Auction house. =/
I don't think it would any of those. It would be probably be a mini-game hub, where players could play board games, target shooting, Zelda related mini games, and other little stuff like that. After you complete a mini-game, you would be awarded tokens which you could buy certain prizes with. =)
Why I don't think its going to be a... =(
PvP arena: Because, I think there is a good reason why devs took it out before the release. I think devs took it out, because it has to do with problems like, laggy players that ruin the game or balance issues (Like everyone wears the Vog Set + Swift Buckler + Faust = 1 shot kill everyone).
Auction House: I don't think it is going to happen yet. This game needs to be super popular before it could do that. Runescape didn't have their Auction house until around 2004 (It took 4 years for Jagex to obtain a ridiculously high player-base till they can implement it to their game.)
Runescape started as an underdog game. It's still pretty crappy, but it didn't have anything close to a major development team behind it. On the other hand we have OOO and Sega in a developer team up supporting Spiral Knights with experienced MMO programmers and a marketing team. So an auction house at this point when we're already complaining about it is smarter than waiting for (possible) explosive growth.
A game center would be pretty awesome too. I'd like Go, myself, but anything to spend a little time playing with friends would be cool too.
over to the right!