Spiral Knights - 3 Simple solutions to balance out Dual yielding

3 Simple solutions to balance out Dual yielding

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Mon, 06/03/2013 - 11:08

Quaquonfaes

I have searched in the forums a lot and I have seen a lot of threads about dual yielding, how it would be unbalanced and how it could never be implemented how there are millions of threads about it, so here are is something a little different the 3 simplest solutions to dual yielding:

Solution 1: Same yielding, exactly as it sounds, in order to dual yield you have to have the same sword twice! You can't have a cutter and a leviathan blade you need 2 leviathan blades, or 2 cutters, so that people have to work for their dual yielding.

Solution 2:(Can work alongside solution 1)Master swordsman: In order to dual yield you have to have 2 same swords at level 10! This would work good with higher tier items since higher tier requires more heat(not entirely sure about that). So that you can't just aquire 2 swords and use them! You have to actually deserve it!

Solution 3:(Can work alongside 1 and 2 but can also work on it's own) We pay for trinket slots and weapon slots so why not pay for a dual slot? 450 CE and lasts for a month. While active you can equip a second sword instead of a shield.

So these were 3 simple solutions to balance dual yielding. Leave your opinion in the comments.

REMEMBER THIS IS NOT A SUGGESTION FOR DUAL YIELD, IT IS A SUGGESTION FOR BALANSING DUAL YIELD.

Please if you comment is a troll or an insult don't post it.
Post only if you have something to say, not just to say something.

P.S. Ever thought of implementing dual gun yielding?

EDIT: Certain weapons could classified as big and not allow dual yield, not all 5 star ones, but some of them that would be overpowered.

Also how is it unbalanced? You sacrifice defense for destruction, the shield is a tool that would remain used even with D.Y. tier 3 monster are very powerful and unless you act quick you won't survive long without a shield.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 11:28

Little-Juances

It's not only a matter of balancing it out. I'd like to ask why would you do it.

An Acheron can kill jellies and gremlins in a single combo/charge (and constructs and beast too, if soloing or using damage boosting equipment) Who's crazy enough to wield 2? Who NEEDS 2 swords?

Why sacrifice your shield? Why don't you just make a Barbarous Shield? Enemies have low health for sword users.
The idea behind dual swords is dumb. At least guns are somewhat weaker (Blitz is a cannon, not a gun) so that's more believable.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 13:13

Klipik

Two words: Dual Polaris.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 13:33

Ghret

Dual yielding? How can we dual yield when we can't even yield in the first place?! I think that we should first discover how to throw down our blade and surrender to an enemy before we get into the realms of simultaneously yielding to two different enemies. Or even yielding to the same enemy twice! Think about how overpowered that would be, yielding not once, but twice to the same enemy!

They would be so confused the stun modifier would rocket through the roof and the impact of it against the floor of Haven would provide enough reactionary force to adjust the rotation of the Clockworks so that it spins in the same direction as Cradle and the resulting spiral force would finally make the damn arch that holds Cradle in place move and provide a counter-revolutionary force; and with these sets of spinning force the whole planet will begin to break out of its solar-stationary position. And that is how we will make Cradle orbit the sun.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 14:35

Dementia-Praecox

Knights do not yield.

At least, the honorable and brave ones wouldn't. In all seriousness, OOO will never implement dual wielding. Ever. It would simply cause too much of a change, devaluing all current accepted sets and battle strategies. Not to mention, it would involve a whole slew of people asking for certain weapons to be balanced, since some combinations would be overpowered while others are underpowered. Also, you would be completely disgracing shields in the process, which are important and reliable tools in battle, and something that many people simply can't do without.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 23:45

Hearthstone

Wield*

Anyways, "Shield Bash". "Shield Bump".

Swords and bombs can't be classified into dual wielding, because: Troikas.

Guns, well, guns like the Antigua Line and Valiance are viable with dual wielding, unlike Polaris, which would be extremely OP in LD.

How would you act quick with a Troika-line/Heavy-type sword without ASI?

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 00:29

Sr-Fists

Bombs?

What if a person where to dual wield bombs

How would they charge?
How far off from each other would they be placed?
Would they be placed at the same time?
Will they have different keys to charge?

To me the idea is a little sketchy as in lockdown dual wielding with no shield would result in an endless saga of deaths.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 02:10

Hearthstone

@Fists

Lol the only way to set as many bombs as fast as dual wielding is to play Blast Network, where you can set at least 5 bombs per 15(?) seconds and spam another five.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:12

Fehzor

Dual yielding: when you let two threads run before resuming your work.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 07:00

Quaquonfaes

I edited the post, the new idea is that weapons like Polaris and troikas could be classified as big and not allow dual yielding with them, there problem solved.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 09:05

#10

Infernoburner

Derpuraptor strikes back

Not really. This would make the DVS a Swordie blitz. And "Work" and "heat" aren't really an excuse. Just look at the Shadow Lairs, I bet at least 10 Snarbolax Coats are made every day. And you need the following
-skill
-skilled teammates
-an expensive material
-crappy, cheaper mats
-CE for Key
-CE for crafting
-CR for crafting
-CR for the Mat (unless you grab it in the SL you're doing)
-Lv10

And that's way more than what you want them.
However, if these "Dual Wield slots" would be forever and rarer than Darkfang Shield, I'm good with it. *BIGFATBURP*
In all seriousness tough, everything would overly OP. Taking out some big stuff isn't making it any better. Dual Wielding will make the puny stuff like Cutters or FoV supahmegaopdeathmachinestuff. And even if we would get dual wielding, we would need something to balance it for the Demo's.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:31

#11

Klipik-Forum

Your edited suggestion is now remarkably similar and yet not quite as good as this one.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:37

#12

Quaquonfaes

@Klipik-Forum

Did you read my entire thread? I bed 100ce you don't know HOW to read.

The post you direct me to is about 96% different that mine and not better that mine, the suggestion you tell, just mentions certain sets that only them could become dual yielding ones, mine has other options as well, so they are not similar, finish school first, them post at the forum.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:51

#13

Klipik-Forum

./sigh

You tell me to finish school and then demonstrate your ability to make one of the longest run-on sentences known to man, misspell "bet", use the wrong verbs, and refer to Dual Wielding as Dual Yielding for an entire thread. Good job. Either way, keep the insults off the personal level.

So, about the suggestion itself. The one that is similar to the one I linked to is Solution 1, now that you made the edit. Some swords can be dual wielded, most (because if you blocked everything that would be OP, not much would be left) can't. And like others have said, using two of just about any weapon would be overpowered. Two guns? Endless spam, any gun you pick. Even the Magnus. Two Swords? Never be left open since you can do endless combos. Bombs? Forget it. Cover the ground in pain. Not to mention, for all of these you are doing twice the dps you would currently. Even for the weakest weapons in the game, that's too much to trade for the loss of a shield.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 16:13

#14

Mystrian

"Dual yielding"?

Pacifist runs!

[EDIT] Pacifist Run
"In games that give you a choice between using lethal or non-lethal force in order to overcome enemies, the former method is usually the most convenient. Some gamers like to play through such games while avoiding any killings that are not absolutely required, even if there is no real reward for doing so."

Pacifist run

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 15:39

#15

Autofire

You are experiencing a PICNIC ERROR!

I'm amused at my thread being linked to.

Anyway, no, my thread isn't better. It's different. Your thread is about wielding customized pairs on weapons, and mine is about just certain weapons becoming dual.

And yes, don't insult. I don't care how much you think the insult is called for. Just don't.

Who says Troikas can't be dual wielded? That'd look awesome! xD To you guys who are posting, keep in mind at the bottom he says this is for balance, nothing else. Dual wielding would either let you attack with both weapons at your choice or would alternate. (Or maybe something entirely!)

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 02:27

#16

Hearthstone

@auto

Yes, I know this is for balance, and Dual Wielded Troikas look cool. But... "logic"?

I mean Troikas are huge, Polaris is OP itself, Blitz added to that, and DVS equals twenty hits then.

Troika - too heavy
Polaris, Blitz - cannon and machine gun
DVS - shadow cloned dagger

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 02:38

#17

Quaquonfaes

The only reason I got angry

The only reason I got angry is because I get pissed when people comment without reading the entire thread, and therefore have opinions unrelated to the thread.

@Klipik-Forum

I may have done a grammatical error repeatedly, but you commented without reading the entire first post.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 05:59

#18

Hexzyle

@Ellthan-Cosmolion

The only reason I got angry is because I get pissed when people comment without reading the entire thread, and therefore have opinions unrelated to the thread.

That sounds familiar. In fact, this entire thread sounds like that thread.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 09:15

#19

Coelydragon

Still talking about Dual Yielding are we?

Klipik (not Klipik-forum) is totally right. Oh, and don't forget dual blitz and dual combuster and dual... yeah.

@Blade of Grass
Check out Andrew Jenkin's Candlestick runs on youtube. We ought to give him the ability to dual yield embers.

@Ethan-Cosmolion
You owe Klipik 100ce now.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 10:43

#20

Quaquonfaes

@Klipik-Forum

The only reason I went there is because I want people to read the entire post and not just the title.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 18:22

#21

Mystrian

Ellthan-Cosmolion posted
"The only reason I went there is because I want people to read the entire post and not just the title."

People are not making "fun" of your thread. I read through it 5 times. And how could you accuse people of not reading threads without having physical evidence?

You also posted
"and unless you act quick you won't survive long without a shield."

I thought you can't shield when you dual- however you want people to interperate it.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 20:29

#22

Klipik-Forum

Reading the whole OP and posting about the whole OP are very different things.

@Blade - His point was that because you can't use shield while dual wielding, it's riskier. Which would be true if it didn't give you enough attack power to blow all the enemies in the room into smithereens as soon as you entered.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 03:46

#23

Quaquonfaes

@Blade-Of-Grass

When did I say people were making fun of my thread???

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