Isn't that the point, though? If people become good enough at the game, they'll no longer need Auto Target to help them out, whilst those who do need it can keep improving until they as well no longer need it. If you remove Auto Target, you're only going to discourage newer players from trying out Lockdown and that's not a good thing.

If you want to go about and show off your skill by playing without Auto Target then by all means, just don't expect everybody else to follow suit only because you're at that point.

@Voza-Il
Putting an arbitrary limit only to hurt those who rely on Auto Target is not a solution and only serves to cause frustration when they can't play past a certain amount every week or else the feature gets turned off for no good reason. It isn't helping anybody as much as you might think it would.

The problem is that people don't feel the need to improve their own skill, and in reality have little reason to do so. Once you've used AT for a long time and become dependend on it, getting rid of it and using only skill instead will result in a large amount of backward progress that isn't really worth it for the eventual chance that you might get better someday. It's a lot of work for a little, far away reward.

If removing AT would make it virtually impossible for new players to enter the scene, that is an inherent problem with LD itself that should be fixed instead of using AT to patch it up and create a whole host of its own problems.

Once again, it's a F. O. O. Strategy.

@Contri

I heard that after this video you recieve guild invites from Jemps, unity, clímax, eos and some friend invites from Red, ice, snAArk, ruby, drav, drAAg, and a bunch more !!!

That's 100% success !!!!!!!!

+1 to Their

@Theirillusion:

Says the one who got 0 ping and plays on 4 bars all the time. If you don't know the feeling of having delays and getting hit by tiles away, shut up. Oh by the way, your joke is lame.

I have the worst lag in this game and I've never use it as an excuse to turn AIMBOT "on".

Besides, the ones who abuse more are the ones with the best latency.

I'm one of the no - AT champ, I've been AT the "top of the notch" from the begining of LD and I still HATE AT, I usually win/be on top of every game I play, and I don't even feel the NEED of use my million CE Skolver set.

I have a iPhone conection, 1 bar latency and I'm not an AT'homo like you.

I don't use AT because I have too much testosterone, and I simply don't need a noob feature to aim for me. And if some day I'm without hands, I'll use my .... To aim but NEVER AT.

If auto target is so bad and it makes you so overpowered, how come Three Rings IMPLEMENTED it in the game themselves for everyone to use for free?

It can't be so devilishly bad if it was actually implemented by the developers for everyone's free use.

I'm on the "I don't care whether people use auto target or not." side, but there's so many people on the "Auto target is for noobs." side.

If you're on my side then thank you.

Some people probably don't know that they have auto target on because it's on you at first glance without telling you.

I'm pretty sure everyone has used auto target at least once in their Spiral Knights history.

I started this game with 2 bars.

Now I have 4 bars. I don't use AT on EU server, and I don't use AT on US server where I have 3 bars.

I have an iPhone that can share internet. When I've used this I've had 2 very unsteady bars. Stop saying that I don't know when I clearly do.

Also, what joke are you talking about?

Edit: Watching my videos was agreat idea, give me views. (lol xD)

@Theirillusion:

Not sure if you are talking seriously, or just....

You just proved my point. You aren't lagging, therefore, you have no right to say that AT-People are all noobs. And how many times did you lag in your SK career? Once? Twice? Thrice? 10 times?! For God's sake stop talking and proving my point further.

@Feller:

Seriously, stop ego-pumping yourself. When I used to see your old posts, and your attacks on other people about how unskilled they are, I decided to spectate you in LD, and guess what, your fighting is lame. Gran Faust here, then Polaris there, and then your team loses because you were yawning the whole match. I am pretty sure that you have something called: Megalomania.

1. English link to your state.
2. Spanish link, just for you.

http://www.popcorngif.com/63/billy-walker-eating-popcorn/

I don't talk to NO ONE when I'm playing, even if I'm getting valiance/Brandish/FF/AT spamed.

After 2 years I just don't talk to noobs unless they start bothering me, and that usually end in /ignore.

AT is for noobs. Period.

So we can continue adding more replies until OOO gives us AT LEAST A DECENT ANSWER.

Just like Feyi said, I don't want it out of the game, I just want an option.

Last time I checked, it was a PvP forum. Not specifically for LD. I'm with Dfliyerz. I gave up on this more than a while ago.

dis thred

Because of This other video I keep linking. Auto target, along with many swords and a few guns, is too effective for its ease of use. Not using auto target, or using certain weapons, might be more effective than these strategies, but the amount of improvement over these "spammable" strats is not even close to worth the amount of time and effort required to be even equal to a "clone" in terms of effectiveness.

You say "trivial". It might be trivial to you, an expert bomber, but what about someone picking the game up for the first time? AT Flourish or brandish comboing is going to be much more attractive than bombing or gunning, for a number of reasons.

It is easier. Simply clicking in the general direction of the target, and usually getting hits, is much simpler to grasp and execute than bombing or gunning. Bombing requires an awful lot of prediction and knowledge of timing, players' and classes' tendencies, while gunning requires leading the target as well as preserving ammo, and keeping the enemy at bay.

It is more effective at a low skill level. Because it is the easiest to pick up, a novice will have best results with the AT sword strategy than any other.

Everyone else does it. if they see the highest damage consistently being dealt by Dusker/Skolver clones, players new to LD will think that it's the best strat and follow in their footsteps.

That combination makes AT sword users the majority. What's left are playstyles that are both less effective to all but experts, and harder to learn. So the metagame doesn't shift, because not enough people are willing to go through a fairly steep learning curve to get on level ground with where they were maybe a month ago. And I say level ground... A team of AT-dependent, low-to-medium experience Wolver clones with flourishes, hammers, and pulsars will tear through a team of bombers or gunners at the same skill level. The same goes for 1v1.

I think the reason no one uses bombs is because of PvE. Bombs are harder to use in PvE, and to get 5* gear purely for PvP is a luxury not too many players can afford. In T2, where gear is cheaper, bombs are smaller and nowhere near as effective. Plus, bomber gear doesn't give as much CTR, so you can't drop bombs as fast.

No matter the cause, AT swords are still the dominant strategy. Even if bombs might be better in some way, people are not switching and will not switch until something changes.

And also, clones are easier to beat with swords than bombs - with bombs, they kill you before you can get a bomb charged, down, and off, unless you had one prepared already. Swords don't require preparation.

I don't usually come around to the coliseum due to my preference of BN over LD but this was too funny to ignore. So I'll throw in my two crowns worth. Basically: if you want strategy, play Blast Network. If you wanting fighting with some strategy and some beat-em-up do PvE. If you want chaos, play LD. I have yet to hear someone say that there is a viable strategy in Lockdown. By this I don't include loadouts; I mean literal strategy. In Blast Network I won 10-2 when my teammate left early. I used a viable strategy. In PvE the strategy for compounds is to have someone bring up the rear then make a break for it in the last room. In Lockdown I have yet to discover a way to win. Striker U dashes are techniques. Spamming whatever is a technique (a simple one at that). AA is not a technique however. It's basically like a trinket. A uv. A buff. It's amoral. It's not evil. It's useful to an extent. It's not OP. it's just there, just like everything else that you can use in Lockdown. I think Feller, Contri, and Redblades just enjoy using the forums as another form of PvP. They're the reasons for all the hate against AA (at least in the forums).

Interesting. The only GvG match I've seen involved Jempire and that was just a bunch of stuff that I saw in RLD. Ok, so there's some strategy possible. How would your team do against a bunch of hammer spammers, flourish spammers, nitronome spammers, polaris spammers, etc. all using AA (perhaps not the nitronome users). My guess is they'd be smashed pretty badly, no offense. Perhaps you have a strategy in which a nitronome (and I'm using T3 terms because it's easier) use blocks up the CP while a gunner hides in the blast and shoots at any opposition. All the opponent needs is a recon to sneak up and destroy the nitronome guy while he's charged (removed invincitinks). Then he can proceed to spam away on the gunner who is now vulnerable. Maybe your strategy is different. Either way, all it takes is one wrong move and chaos rules. The reason "spammy" weapons are allowed in lockdown are because they are already implemented in PvE and because the chaos is what makes Lockdown attractive. No new person wants to join an already-strategized game where the opponent knows everything and destroys them easily. They want an easy, simple game where they have a possibility to win with just a few techniques and powerful weaponry.

be a bomber and nobody's gonna say youat/aa noob. they just wish you dont exist.

besides, as a bomber i never know whether people use aa or not... keep bombing till someone die and hurrah.. next person

This is entertaining as LD itself. And I'm quite sure there's a lot of people who enjoy all this just watching... Like voyeur style...

I like when ppl who haven't fight against me says to me in randoms "So you're the Feller, I'm gonna kill you because you're annoying".. 10 mins later... Their B.... Is so R...ed they can't sit.

@RedblAAdes You don't have viable points!!! You are a noob spammer!!!