Spiral Knights - The reason behind ALL hate for auto-target

The reason behind ALL hate for auto-target

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Wed, 06/26/2013 - 16:02

Redblades

Using AT:
You get called a AT/AA noob. even if you don't do a single combo, people still think you're an AT/AA noob

Not using AT:
People accuse you of using AT/AA. they call you a AT/AA noob. even if you're not using AT, they still think you're an AT/AA noob.

Toggling AT:
People accuse you of using AT/AA the whole time. if you land a single combo with toggle, they assume AT/AA was on for the whole match

SOLUTION- CALLING PEOPLE AT/AA NOOBS!!!!!

nobody would EVER think that I would use AT/AA if I complain about it! right!?
for people to not call you AT/AA noob, just call them AT/AA noob. who cares about their feelings! who cares if they might NOT be using AT/AA! it's all you! the entire WORLD revolves around you!. Screw the heliocentric model of the freakin solar system. We'll be using my EGOCENTRIC model of the solar system. EVERYTHING in the UNIVERSE revolves around ME! I'm so important!

Why am I so important?!?!?!

HOW DARE U ASK ME DAT. AT/AA NOOB!

I'm one of a couple billion humans. humans are one of a couple thousands of species!
species that are on our planet earth!
a planet that along with others, revolve around our star!
one of a BILLION stars in our galaxy!
one of a BILLION galaxies in our UNIVERSE!

Can't you see how I'm so significant!!!?!?!?!??!?!!!???!!

Tue, 07/09/2013 - 20:52

Skyguarder

.....What? ._.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 17:20

Our-Little-Ajo

I hate cheap features

Ask a COD player how they feel about noobtube... I know their feeling bro.. any noob can kill with that crap .. same as aimbot in SK.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 18:52

Tenkii

Why don't people just play as if everyone else knows how to aim?

If you assume everyone else knows how to aim, then you get to the point that (aside from latency/connection issues) it's your own fault that you ran into their attack. This means that if you want to stop getting hit, you'll just need to get better.

I might get annoyed when other people kill me, but it's mostly because of my own inability to stop them.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 19:11

Redblades

/wink

@feller
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EitZRLt2G3w
watch it, it explains noobtube and power/skill balancing
sure, it's nooby, but it's easy to counter when you're skilled.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 19:56

Zeddy

@Feller

How do CoD players feel about auto-aim? CoD has auto-aim.

The equivalent of noobtube would be Polaris.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 20:49

Reto-Da-Liz

@zeddy: It's not nearly the same as our AT. It helps you hit people if you are actually aiming at them. Helps you fight lag and that crap.
While or dear AT makes you do unlikely moves and kills that would require you to be able to see the future to perform them.

To stay on topic:
AT makes you hit people you are not aiming, regardless of the fact that you comboing or just single slashing. Of course a good player (take Feller) would beat the average LD AT user that throws around his lovely GF. But what about the rest of us that are not that excellent but still try (trying =/= using AT) to kill someone using our own "skills"? Personally I get pissed when I get killed by ATers, and honestly, it's pretty easy to tell who has it on. And then these people tell me I take the game too seriously: then, if it's not a serious thing, why don't you turn your aimbot off and try to fight fairly? What's the point of having an aimbot on in a free game that has not to be taken seriously?

Longest post I ever wrote on forums. Must be cause it's 5:45 am and I'm very bored.
Long live AT-free LD... oh wait, never existed. I need to invent something... LONG LIVE AT-FREE PLAYERS! (that works)

Cheers

P.S. I never called anyone "AT noob". Noob sounds too nice. I call them idiots.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 00:43

Dragneel-Wiki

@Reto-Da-Liz:

In my opinion, you've mixed up how Auto-Aim works in CoD and in SK. In CoD is does make you aim at people you weren't looking on, which is hacking in some cases. But if you meant the in-game Auto-Aim help, then yeah, it works similar to AT in SK. AT doesn't turn you directly to face someone you weren't aiming at, they have to be in a 90 degrees radius so that AT takes effect, therefore, it only corrects the aim of people.

Now people with good connection might have no reason to use it, but what about us, people that have over 250 ping? Now Feller will come and say: "I lag too, and I don't use AA! Ja jaj jajajajajaja" Ok, good for you. But here, I don't want to be punished badly by people that have luxurious internet and can hit you from tiles away.

The last thing I want to comment about, is your last statement: "then, if it's not a serious thing, why don't you turn your aimbot off and try to fight fairly?" Why don't YOU take it the other way and stop taking it seriously and play the game with whomever comes to you, AT or not. Why don't you be fair and acknowledge that not everyone has good connection to play with? Why should Asians and Aussies suffer only? Just stop being selfish and learn how to live with AT players.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 01:10

Bleyken

AT is for homos. No discussion.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 05:20

Shidara

@Reto-Da-Liz

>It's not nearly the same as our AT. It helps you hit people if you are actually aiming at them. Helps you fight lag and that crap.

That's exactly what Auto Target does... ¬_¬

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 06:31

#10

Our-Little-Ajo

+1 country!!

End of discussion.

Don't bring the lag crap in the middle, my latency can't be worst and I never felt the need of using Aimbot. That's just cheap excuses.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 07:01

#11

Reto-Da-Liz

AT makes you hit people you

AT makes you hit people you are not aiming at ._. If i'm behind you, AT still makes you turn 180° and hit me.
Keep hiding behind some lame reasons.
Anyway +1 to contri.

Cheers

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 07:20

#12

Our-Little-Ajo

Contri

http://bighugelabs.com/output/motivator528eb0afd222fa58756185cf746bf994b...

You see, you're wrong again.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 08:38

#13

Redblades

@feller
I think I just died

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 08:58

#14

Reto-Da-Liz

lol

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 09:45

#15

Zeddy

@Reto-Da-Liz

I'm sorry, I was unaware that AT worked completely different in Lockdown compared to clockworks.

Is there a demonstration of this effect I can watch somewhere?

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 10:25

#16

Redblades

/wink

@reto-da-liz
Are you trolling or are you brainwashed by one of those mentally challenged AT haters? try facing forward only, with AT. proceed to click, but DONT AIM AT ALL. post a video of how it does a 180 degree turn and hits people.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 10:35

#17

Dragneel-Wiki

Reto just won't accept the truth, simply because he is in a state of rage, not sure why. Atleast as Red mentioned, prove what are you blabbing about with a video, showing the ungodly skills of AT in LD.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 11:07

#18

Shidara

@Reto-Da-Liz

>AT makes you hit people you are not aiming at ._. If i'm behind you, AT still makes you turn 180° and hit me.

I have played both with and without Auto Target for extended periods of time, and I can tell you right now that this is simply not true. That's called aiming ahead of your foe, not related at all to Auto Target. I haven't experimented to see how much of an angle Auto Target covers, but I don't imagine it being much larger than 45-60°, though I am sure some of the more informed Knights would be happy to correct me on that.

Unless they weren't already trying to attack in the direction you were headed they wouldn't be able to strike you. Auto Target does not mean guaranteed hits regardless of where you aim, that is downright bogus. If you don't even try to aim at your target you won't land a hit, period.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 11:23

#19

Rustymacola

closet noob?

Hmmm, something tells me the reason Feller constantly rants about AT and makes it a point to always mention his latency issues is to secretly mask his own incompetence in Lockdown...maybe he secretly uses AT too? After all, we all know what happened in the Salem Witch Trials. Point fingers at as much people as possible...before fingers are pointed at you. Uh-oh :3

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 11:36

#20

Canozo

Redblades for Pope

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:56

#21

Zeddy

@Shidara

It appears to be 45 degrees in either direction, making for a total cone of 90 degrees. I tried with a Gran Faust and a BTB, and both hit the training bag after the auto-target stopped locking on.

I'll try to explain with this picture. Playing the role of INEPT AUTO-TARGET NOOB is myself. Representing the role of FELLER is a teenage girl.

Feller himself admits to having poor connection. I believe his rage about seeing an opponent he thinks is facing outside of auto-target range, but on that player's side Feller is really inside of their auto-target range. So what's happening is probably something to the effect of the server showing that player automatically facing Feller in the direction Feller sees himself, while on the server side the player would probably be facing were Feller actually is being, even if that's represented differently from him.

It's not auto-target, it's lag. Rage at the lag.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 17:56

#22

Our-Little-Ajo

Umm well..

Ty for trying to undestand what I live ehwn I play, but seriously, you're 100% wrong.

Usually bad latency players like me sees everything in "past", so we realize that we "miss calculate" when we get hit

How do we see that?

Simple, I'm running with boost, and I suddenly get hit by "something", immediately my avatar teleports 2- 3 bodys behind his first location. That's the way bad latency works in this game, same as PVE.

Not the same as being hit with AT, is not about range, is about fake movement and aim.

A 180° with 2 swings GF when they are fighting a "third person", or even when you're just "passing by" is common in actual LD and simply cannot be called "skill".

A person who doesn't need AT, just don't feel the need of finding excuses, and I'm not saying "Teddy", I know you don't play LD.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 18:42

#23

Ink-Incorporated

This is hilarious. I laughed so hard that I almost puked out an external organ.

Popcorn anyone?

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 20:48

#24

Klipik-Forum

./sigh

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/73271#comment-629938

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/78381#comment-686544

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/78381#comment-689842

How many times?

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 22:15

#25

Son-Of-Hades

http://www.youtube.com/watch?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bojAu1ldw8&feature=c4-overview&list=UU8a...

AT combo spam can actually be hard to counter for some decently skilled people. I would suggest a decrease in the range of how far AT will guide your character's weapon. If you've ever tried just mashing the attack button into groups of people while your mouse is facing in the enemy's general direction, I can see why the AT would frustrate people...

For skilled players, AT can be countered, as Red said.

But it's a steep learning curve, and it really discourages new players from learning how to become good at the game when they can be decent by just spamming AT comboes at newbies.

I personally don't mind AT, but I think it should be nerfed a tad if OOO wants players to stop raging quitting their game so much

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 23:44

#26

Shidara

@Zeddy

That's pretty much what I was thinking of (though I didn't really specify it in my post), so it's not really that big a deal. Since most people use Sealed Swords and Flourishes anyway it hardly makes a difference.

Fri, 06/28/2013 - 00:58

#27

Dragneel-Wiki

@Klipik:

Klipik, I have one question to you, since I don't really have the time to read your long post. What would you say about someone who uses AT, yet he doesn't combospam it? Is he still a noob in your eyes? Even if he got a horrible 270-300 ping? I'll be waiting for your reply.

Fri, 06/28/2013 - 06:39

#28

Our-Little-Ajo

Yes

Try to use Brandish line without AT even if not using combos. You will fail so bad that you will feel like sell that crap to a vendor.

Fri, 06/28/2013 - 07:06

#29

Zeddy

@Feller

Is there a video anywhere at all that shows this fake movement through someone with a 4-bar connection? I am genuinely interested to see this thing I've never seen before.

Fri, 06/28/2013 - 07:42

#30

Redblades

Feller, I was playing RLD without AT (after a vana run) brandish and valiance only. guess what, I hit 22k on my first game, in SKELLY JELLY gear. I would type about how AT is more of a mental challenge than physical MOST OF THE TIMES, but you'll just ignore it.

Fri, 06/28/2013 - 08:27

#31

Our-Little-Ajo

Zeddy

I would love to show you something, but my pokemon trainer days are over. Maybe some other day.

Fri, 06/28/2013 - 08:31

#32

Our-Little-Ajo

Red

I was making me a sandwich and suddernly an alien appear and r@pe my cat, I tried to save him, but I was too bussy laughing.

Fri, 06/28/2013 - 08:53

#33

Shidara

And so, ladies and gentlemen,

This is why nobody should take Feller seriously.

Fri, 06/28/2013 - 09:44

#34

Bleyken

I can show it in a video for only 499 ce!! Very cheap!!!

Fri, 06/28/2013 - 10:51

#35

Zeddy

@Contri

How about the price of "I and possibly other people will take you seriously for once"?

You keep harping on about what a terribly devastating thing auto-target is. That it somehow ruins Lockdown more than Polaris. More than heart trinkets. More than triple-max UVs. More than lag. More than defence being pretty useless compared to offence unless you pour a ridiculous amount of resources into maxing it all out. More than invinciframes.

Prove it. Show just what makes auto-target so completely utterly broken that it somehow takes the fun out of the game for everyone involved if everyone were to just go ahead and use it instead of complaining that it's there.

Failing that, I'd pay 10 CE for it.

Fri, 06/28/2013 - 11:48

#36

Our-Little-Ajo

I could do it

But I couldn't care less about your opinion. I rather trolling, and as I see, you love falling.

I mean... Why will I bother with "shidara" or the pve noob "teddy", or the LD fail "dragneel".. I mean.. I rather f.. myself with a glove full of glass dust.

The ones that used to make LD fun are not around anymore, the ones that worth the time retired already.

Now is just daddy trolling the AT dependants..

You all are noobs.

Come at me sista!!!!!!!!

Fri, 06/28/2013 - 11:50

#37

Our-Little-Ajo

Contri

1kce for a video of pure Brandish and FF 3 hit combo, with AT of course, just to show these noobs how dumb they look.

Why??

Because I'm FjhjgjvfkcING RICH, that's why.

Fri, 06/28/2013 - 12:49

#38

Fallconn

FALCON PUNCH!

Feller Wrote:

But I couldn't care less about your opinion. I rather trolling, and as I see, you love falling.

I mean... Why will I bother with "shidara" or the pve noob "teddy", or the LD fail "dragneel".. I mean.. I rather f.. myself with a glove full of glass dust.

The ones that used to make LD fun are not around anymore, the ones that worth the time retired already.

Now is just daddy trolling the AT dependants..

You all are noobs.

Come at me sista!!!!!!!!
sista
....

BOW BEFORE YOU ROTTEN MAGGOT!

Fri, 06/28/2013 - 13:22

#39

Bleyken

AT range in training hall: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olEmiul0VKQ&feature=youtu.be

@Feller Ok, I'll upload a video in "Ruby Mode" later.

Fri, 06/28/2013 - 13:40

#40

Shidara

@Feller

It's no longer a matter of opinion when you go out of your way to say that Auto Target acts in a way that it clearly is not supposed to. You are stating that it is providing a substantial amount of power and then refuse to back it up with any evidence supporting your claim. What you see and what we see are clearly not the same, therefore one of us must be wrong. You have a chance to prove you're right, but you're refusing to take it because you don't care about opinions which has nothing to do with the argument to begin with.

Oh crap, I forgot that I was not supposed to take you seriously... Nevermind then, guess I'll just go back and stick to that rule until an incentive to abandon it appears. Cough! Cough! Cough! Video evidence... Cough! Cough! Sorry about that, irritated throat.

Fri, 06/28/2013 - 13:47

#41

Our-Little-Ajo

Ahahahah

Sorry not going to read noobs comments.

@contri

Hahahahaha that ruby mode crap was funny

Fri, 06/28/2013 - 15:57

#42

Zeddy

@Contri

I tried very hard to find anything out of the ordinary in that video, but was unable to. Every attack hit within a pretty narrow cone of where you were pointing your mouse at. Certainly none of the magic range-extension/180 degree aiming that people so frequently attribute to it.

Fri, 06/28/2013 - 16:10

#43

Voza-Il

Honesty, AA is just one of

Honesty, AA is just one of the many lame features added to make the game too easy. (Nerfing the crap out of PvE was the main one). But yeah, AA really has a detrimental effect on gameplay past a certain skill level (I'd say that level is averaging at least 8k in T3 LD). The problem is the combination of AA and this PvP style. In a game like Freefall Tournament, AT is jeeded because you are flying around with jetpacks at 50-100 mph in the game, and the gun would be EXTREMELY hard to aim without it. But even so, FFT makes non-AT users benefit because AT reduces damage and makes you fire burst fire instead.

Anyways, being a 2 dimensional PvP game, AA is pretty pointless.

*Possible solution*

Here's another suggestion:

Remove AA completely from LD (not PvE) after you have gained, say...3000 rank points?

Who knows...something to help noobs not suck as much, but help pros not be noobs. I don't see any downsides to this. Unless someone is so in love with AA that they quit right before every match ends to stay under 3k rank points.

Fri, 06/28/2013 - 16:42

#44

Qwao

Forcing players to play to a certain style is just silly. "Unskilled" people can play all they want, if you are better prove it and dominate them. If you don't like them find another match. If they are everywhere just leave...?

Honestly speaking I have no idea what the fuss is about. But Voza's suggestion is silly, in my opinion. If people want to play they should be allowed to play, the way they want to or otherwise.

Fri, 06/28/2013 - 16:49

#45

Ink-Incorporated

I need more popcorn.

Be right back.

Fri, 06/28/2013 - 19:46

#46

Redblades

@contri
as I have said MANY MANY times before, AT only affects BRANDISH, guns, and narrow comboes. (and any other weapon with a NARROW range of attack)
the faust 180 swing would have hit the target anyways. it didn't matter.

Fri, 06/28/2013 - 22:43

#47

Klipik-Forum

@Drag

"Noob"? No, but neither are the people who spam. They aren't "AT noobs"... They're "AT spammers". Likewise with these people, I will just have it in the back of my mind (and try to implant it in theirs :P) that their character attacking me is not 100% them, and if they are successful in killing me or just at the game in general it is not 100% their ability that got them there.

Fri, 06/28/2013 - 22:47

#48

Klipik-Forum

Don't mind the second post it was too different to include...

@Red: that's not true, AT can drastically improve your hit rate when you are circling an enemy while using flourish. It keeps you centered on them and you don't miss as often. I know from experience.

Side note: people who are "extremely good" at LD may give a harder time discerning exactly how much AT helps people, because they don't need it and it doesn't make them any better. Remember that.

Fri, 06/28/2013 - 23:33

#49

Lskyx

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/60540

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 00:24

#50

Dragneel-Wiki

After all of these texts, and a video that showed how wrongful they are, they still don't get it....
Loses hope...

@Voza-II

You are just a selfish baby. Just use your brain and think about people with bad connection, rather than... Nevermind, would be to offensive if I say that.

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