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I feel like Ruby right now, but I'm going to say it. This Supply Depot update is atrocious.

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Thu, 08/08/2013 - 16:57
Ezduzitt's picture
Ezduzitt

This is VERY reminiscent of the Rubyeclipse and Original Rose Sets issue from over a year ago. These rare accessories are worth jack squat for anyone who collected them or paid top dollar within the past year of them being released. You have effectively killed the market for said rare accessories and exclusivity. You slap everyone in the face who have put large sums of money into this game by starting to post rare/promotional accessories for less than 4k CE a piece. The hundreds and thousands some individual players have pumped into you and this is what they're met with? Some are collectors and other are profiteers/merchants of the market.

Don't get this post wrong, I am in no way mad and I do have some of these rare unattached accessories still locked away since I quit the game a year ago, but for people who have paid TOP dollar for RARE accessories it's a major slap in the face. At least ANNOUNCE it instead of milking these players for more money. I had multiple offers of 50k+ CE for one of my Prism Valk Wings, how horrible would one of the buyers have felt if we made a trade within the last week? Then the seller is put in a predicament to take them back or be an a** and refuse. Again I am not mad, but HONESTLY take a look at what issues you're creating.

You also dropped the ball on that Prismatic Halo auction that has a 1.3 million CR bid. Do you plan on refunding that bidder and giving them a complementary Pris Halo? For the players who purchased a TON of elevator passes within the year/release of them they were compensated with Crystal Energy. Do you plan on doing the same for those who purchased rare/promotional items for large amounts of CE/CR within the past year or months?

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 17:22
#1
Cryoworld's picture
Cryoworld
Quit whining about it,

Quit whining about it, seriously.

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 17:55
#2
Ezduzitt's picture
Ezduzitt
You can't read, that's okay

You can't read, that's okay though.

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 18:03
#3
Venomousbiohazard's picture
Venomousbiohazard
Tough luck

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Thu, 08/08/2013 - 18:07
#4
Metemer's picture
Metemer
Wow.. And I felt sorry for

Wow.. And I felt sorry for the guy who is now forced to buy that halo for 1.3 mil, but you made me realize there are probably several people around there who have lost tens of thousands of CE. I agree with you in most, if not everything. CE buyers dropped, OOO got scared and they flip that certain finger to probably those people who (financially) supported them the most.. very fair :\

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 18:22
#5
Asdfasdfasdfs's picture
Asdfasdfasdfs
@Ezduzitt

I agree with most of what you said, however I think people need to realize virtual economies can crash at any time. Its not a smart investment to put all your time/money into virtual hats, especially if your objective is to hoard the items until you can make massive amounts of money later. OOO should make the accessories bought from the supply depot bound, it would still effect the prices of the items, but people could still have the unbound versions as collectibles like the unbound bombhead masks. This would solve the prismatic auction issue as well.

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 18:26
#6
Reto-Da-Liz's picture
Reto-Da-Liz

Ez is totally right. I had no wings/halos/cat tails or anything of the kind, but this feels very incorrect to all those players that invested on those items and got screwed by a random not announced promo.
Not a good job, not a good job.

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 18:34
#7
Earthboundimmortal's picture
Earthboundimmortal
tough luck

deal with it

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 18:37
#8
Patrizl
life happens...

...deal with it. sega will do what they want to do.

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 19:29
#9
Clwnbaby's picture
Clwnbaby
BOO F%$%KING HOO

Hey if you wanted to make money on the items you've been hoarding you should have sold them. The trade chat has been filled with players looking for these items and you greedy bastards wont sell them. So thankfully OOO gave the players what they wanted...items you're not selling. Now we all can hoard them forever until OOO again puts them on sell for far cheaper than you greedy bastards will. Just goes to show what I've always been saying....an item is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it so all you hoarders just lost out big for one reason....you're too greedy!

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 19:37
#10
Ah-Bard
Agreed with Ez though i have

Agreed with Ez though i have quit playing for a year+. Once those promo items are gone..pls dun make them available again.Rare items doesn't feel rare anymore. Well shits happens when OOO have to account to Sega for profits gain. Then again..OOO doesn't need to account to us...they are accountable to Sega only.

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 19:37
#11
Klipik-Forum's picture
Klipik-Forum

I, as a player, am happy this happened (although it's going to take a lot of work to build up the 3.5-4kCE...), but from a larger view it does come over as a desperation attempt by OOO to get CE prices back up and keep the money flowing in. I was worried about this when they made elevators free, I hope it doesn't mean anything along the lines of "help guys we're not making money anymore".

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 19:41
#12
Ah-Bard
They got to find ways to make

They got to find ways to make ppl spend on CE.......

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 19:44
#13
Panthera-Leo's picture
Panthera-Leo
>:D

lol Looks like f2pers get the large advantage with ye recent updates, all of ye get what you need, them super p2p players cant push ye around, now they be ragin their barnacles!!!!

Anyway, people who spent over 30kE for accessories, enjoy the butt-hurt, and the troll-burns, the rest of you, just keep on rolling, and feed those sprites, after all, it's not like having accessories is essential, you want em, but cant afford them? Then grind, the resulting look you compile will probably be worth it, especially since any endgame player couldn't care less about this, they don't want gear, they just want looks after gearing up. Don't like it? Quit and delete your knight, things don't stay the same forever, just like mist and heat.

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 19:44
#14
Grantgalitz's picture
Grantgalitz
OOO is a business? what?

Basically these people wanted the equivalent of hundreds of irl dollars which no one sane would do. Also, OOO is a business, so releasing these periodically is in their interest.

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 19:48
#15
Juances's picture
Juances

I bought a proto bomb before rescue camp missions started to gift them for free.
And this one is even better. It comes with an UV! What am I gonna do now?

I want my 150cr back >:c

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 19:52
#16
Thegreatpiggy's picture
Thegreatpiggy
I will say one word to explain all this.

Potato

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 19:53
#17
Shamanalah's picture
Shamanalah
my 2 cents

Divine valkyrie wings: 30k ce (got em cheap)... 4-5 months ago (thanks kyoshiro)

Volcanic Dragon wings: 22k ce (OPaid for em...)... 2-3 months ago

Seriously... OOO... WTF... why... I just don't get it...

I saw a squire with Infernal Guardian set with Volcanic dragon wings and it felt WRONG... because it is -_-

I just...

/keeps whining in the distance

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 19:55
#18
Thegreatpiggy's picture
Thegreatpiggy
Dear, Shamanala

I highly doubt the squire you saw got it because of the sale. I don't know why though. I've seen soldiers with accessories that I can never afford, squires with full vog cub, and etc.

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 20:02
#19
Raptor-Zy's picture
Raptor-Zy
o-o

First, I sympathize with the losses that many upper-end players probably went through.

I watched a few of my friends quit while the rest jumped for joy... o.o

Basically this promo is Very controversial. It's in favor for the newer players and is a major contradiction for the long-term merchants/vet players.
Regardless, Mixed feedback is still mixed feedback. In the end, it's all about how it affects the intended aspects behind the release of the promo.

Course, those were just my opinions; I intend no offense what-so-ever.

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 20:09
#20
Grantgalitz's picture
Grantgalitz
hehe

These marketers failed economics anyhow. When the price reached 20kce and above, they should have known better it got out of the range of normal players. OOO makes money off of items actually moving, not marketers hoarding it for like 5 people total to buy out.

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 20:23
#21
Agent-Fungoose's picture
Agent-Fungoose
Re: heyyy

Face the facts, if OOO isn't making lots of money, then we won't be getting any REAL content any time soon. There are a lot of stubborn folks out there who behave really selfish. They are always thinking about themselves and what's best for them, which is totally fine, expected, and understandable. Would you prefer that the company goes bankrupt, and that the game then has to shut down because of our stubbornness? If that were to happen, then everything that everyone has worked hard for would be a major letdown for you, me, and just about everyone who has been playing the game for quite a while.

You need to see the real picture; don't focus on what is happening to you, but focus on what is happening to the game. If the game isn't getting money, then we will never have content for endgame players. Let OOO profit from this; it'll be great for the community and OOO. You got the stuff first, just think of it that way? okay? It's nice that you popped a lot of money on the game, but what good will it do to you if the game doesn't progress, or even worst, it has to be shutdown? what would you do then? complain on these forums that wouldn't exist anymore?

Things change over time; waddling in the past will get us nowhere. Changes are what brings us a future.

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 20:25
#22
Rating's picture
Rating
I am a fairly active

I am a fairly active merchant, and I play in this arena of risk and potential future return every single day. While it is understandable to be a little upset by this, who am I to demand that an item like prismatic valkyrie wings never come back into this game? Anyone who risks buying and selling expensive items should know the risks, and those who rage are usually just too immature to understand that this is something that OOO had every right to do at any point in time.

I absolutely love this update, as now I can buy these accessories and use them for myself, without worrying about equipping an item worth 50k CE+ (yuck!)

Great job OOO, keep this coming in the future! (but obviously not every single week)

Keep in mind this is also a BRILLIANT way for OOO to get people to spend money on this game and find a new use for CE. /applaud

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 20:25
#23
Obnoxious-Santa
Agree and disagree

Yes your right, all those hard workers of the first players gone to waste!! But you also have to look at it in another view.!

If I was a new player I would love to own those things but seriously prismatic halo when would a new player be able to buy one of those !! New players should be given the chance to own them as we'll, spiral knights isn't about holding rare items and reselling yes people do it but still wasn't the main idea for the game, plus when people start equipping them, the less there will be around so the more the price will go up again!!

Also OOO needs to make money!! like myself I brought 20kce to buy these accessories.!

Bad luck if some one kept them to sell later and bad luck if you just paid over price for them, get over it! It's a game things happen!! Day and night still come! Earth keeps spinning around.

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 20:28
#24
Soothsayerboomer's picture
Soothsayerboomer
I feel it could have been planned out better.

I feel this does just ruin the game for people who invested their time and money into these "rare" items.

Even if they did bind when you got them all a person would need to do is unbind the item they wanted and have the other person add the items to it and trade it back.

Maybe a better idea would have been to create new accessories, that way the market would still be fine, the old players would be happy, and no one is going to complain about new content that you can buy.

I feel bad because I know people who spent all their time grinding Vanaduke so they could save up for wings when they just came out, and now you just offer them up for basically 1/5 of the market price.

Imagine if you had made accessories for pets? Everyone would buy them, people would buy energy, and the market would have been flourishing.

But now to me it feels like we have been baited in by pets and then you brought these rare items so people would buy E, and I am sure that is not how you intended it to be viewed but even though I did not get effected by this I imagine that the older players who feel back stabbed will most likely quit,
and I don't want to see this games image to devolve into a cash cow.

So yea, just my opinion i suppose but I just wanted to let you know how I felt about this.

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 20:29
#25
Shidara's picture
Shidara
I personally don't really

I personally don't really care. Granted, what I've spent the most on have yet to turn up in such a relatively cheap sum as this yet, but even if they were to I wouldn't really complain about it. The way I look at it, the money I spent way-back-when to acquire whatever-I-desired was a pay-to-have-early purchase. Some sort of privelege to have something most wouldn't. I won't claim that I anticipated something quite like this, but saying that it was completely unexpected would be an outright lie. You take a risk when you decide to invest, and you take a risk when you hold on to it for an extended period of time.

You can argue back and forth as much as you like about what you think of the entire situation but at the end of the day you took a risk and if you took the hit of it; tough luck. It happens to the best of us. But claiming that they should go as far as to "refund the potential losses" of those who stockpiled is bollocks. Why? Because they already got what they paid for. If they invested with the intention of reselling for great profit later down the road that's a risk that the purchasers made and is entirely their own responsibility - not Three Rings'.

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 20:38
#26
Shamanalah's picture
Shamanalah
my 2 cents

Also OOO needs to make money!!

IDK if recycling promos is better than pouring random are item into the depot... though...

At this point last year they put out Surge I believe... Storm was a half made promo 2 months ago.. (7 costumes, 1 new accessories, 1 wings and hacked aura had a baby and a crest of storm... let's look at hallow/surge/frosty/hunter.....)

yeah they need to make money by slapping vets in the face, obviously...

There could've been millions way to make money, cat tails and valk wings isn't the best idea... 6 days or 1 day for that matter...

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 20:46
#27
Agent-Fungoose's picture
Agent-Fungoose
Pretty much all of the

Pretty much all of the complaints that I've seen about this update were all from endgame players. Everyone's so picky...(by update, i meant the whole big change with energy plus this promo)

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 20:47
#28
Shadownox's picture
Shadownox
Honk honk. Make way for the dead bunny.

As a f2p player, I have mixed feelings for this. At first, I was overjoyed, because I could finally get those valk wings I wanted. Then, I started raging because I was too poor atm. ;-;

On a more serious note, however, this seems like a desperate money grab. Why would OOO randomly devalue some of the game's most rare accessories? Of course, this will obviously keep the flow of income steady for now, but once the sale is over, OOO will be losing the income that came in from rare accessory hunters who poured money into OOO's wallet to find one. But ,to be honest, I could be looking at this the wrong way. :l

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 20:53
#29
Martial's picture
Martial
It seems like no matter what

It seems like no matter what OOO does, they are met with whining, criticism, and dire proclamations that the recent update has "killed the game". Just get over it man! The game is still fun! So many people take the economy too seriously. SK is a game you play for fun!!!

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 20:56
#30
Shidara's picture
Shidara
Addendum:

I like how when they're re-introducing rare and desired items for a reduced cost everyone bursts out "CASH-GRAB!" like it's a primal instinct. For crying out loud, people, you're far too serious about this.

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 21:04
#31
Martial's picture
Martial
@Shidara Exactly!

@Shidara Exactly!

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 21:34
#32
Holy-Crab's picture
Holy-Crab
You lost some virtual money,

You lost some virtual money, well sorry but get over it. The only thing that was messed up, was the featured auction going on in the same time, that was not cool for the bidder at 1 millions crown on the Prismatic Halo.

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 21:46
#33
Thunderbog's picture
Thunderbog

[muffled prelude in c minor playing in distance]

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 22:08
#34
Mzculet's picture
Mzculet
"Well 000 needs to make money somehow?"

OOO is neglecting there Veteran players that has actually put time and cash into this game. Though I understand that SOME p2p players can be selfish and hoard those items of or re-sales. There are still some players who actually spent money for those "rare" items and didn't use it for re-sale. (Specially for the prismatic halo bidder)

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 22:22
#35
Archeops's picture
Archeops
I agree with OP.

I agree with OP. Reintroducing rare and expensive accessories and pricing them at 4k ce a piece made many merchants lose a lot of money. I feel really sorry for the person that got stuck with the prismatic halo for 1.3mil cr in the featured auctions. But Rating and Shidara are right, investing in expensive accessories and keeping them for extended periods of time with intent to make profit off of them in the future is a risk that you take. Economies can crash all the time, and once an investment goes bad, you take responsibility for it.

In my opinion, it seems as though the sale was just a desperate attempt to get energy prices up again, since energy lost virtually all of its value due to the recent battle sprites update. Regardless, as seen in some of the replies above, many of the lower-end or newer players are happy about it and are buying CE like mad.

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 22:37
#36
Melonfish's picture
Melonfish
Atomicblaster raise a good

Atomicblaster raise a good point, binding the items on sale would provide much appreciated damage control on the economy.

As for the emotions in this thread and the update in general, you may brandish the blade whichever side you want but it'll still be double-edged in the end. Value its benefits and cope with the losses accordingly.

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 22:59
#37
Ah-Bard
dun be surprised if we can

dun be surprised if we can roll for random max uv at maybe 4k ce.

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 23:03
#38
Reqy
Merchants who resell items

Merchants who resell items and even people who purchase those items should always know the risk factors when buying any item in the game especially SK's past history with other limited time offer accessories.

However, it does hurt to see something that you grinded so many weeks for turn into something someone can get in a fraction of a time(I did so many runs to just get Divine Wings when they were over 2million crowns on featured AH). I don't mind OOO trying to get a cash grab being that it is still a business, but sometimes I wish OOO would consider the feelings of the players who actually love this game and dedicate so many hours of their time to explore their creation. I know we are the 1% of that population but again we are the ones who love the game for what it is.

tl;dr Basically restating what Soothsayerboomer said.

@Melonfish, they are SUPPOSED to be binded as it says in the shop. But when you actually make the purchase, they are unbound.

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 23:14
#39
Misty-Wellington's picture
Misty-Wellington
zyxwvutsqponmlkjihgfedcba

Still overpriced as hell. Won't be buying anytime soon.

____

4k ce for a halo was too low imo considering market price for them.

4,000 Energy x 8,000 crowns = 32mil

So you mean to tell me that (roughly) 32mil is too cheap?

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 23:04
#40
Ah-Bard
Aren't the description saying

Aren't the description saying item cannot be traded...why it is not bound upon purchase?

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 23:13
#41
Reqy
@misty-wellington It is

@misty-wellington It is currently 80 Crowns per 1 CE, not 8000 per 1 CE. That amounts to 320,000 Crowns. if it was 3.2m cr, this thread wouldn't exist.

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 23:13
#42
Soothsayerboomer's picture
Soothsayerboomer
I believe your math is off...

4000E/100(Per set) x 8000 = 320kcr

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 23:17
#43
Misty-Wellington's picture
Misty-Wellington
zyxwvutsqponmlkjihgfedcba

My mistake.

But still, complaining about cheap prices?

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 23:19
#44
Shadownox's picture
Shadownox
Honk honk. Make way for the dead bunny.

@Misty

dat math

@Reqy

If the items are actually unbounded at the time of purchase, people can buy a bunch and resell when the sale is over. :l

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 23:26
#45
Apace's picture
Apace
+1 to shidara, he said it

+1 to shidara, he said it well:

'You take a risk when you decide to invest, and you take a risk when you hold on to it for an extended period of time.

You can argue back and forth as much as you like about what you think of the entire situation but at the end of the day you took a risk and if you took the hit of it; tough luck. It happens to the best of us. But claiming that they should go as far as to "refund the potential losses" of those who stockpiled is bollocks. Why? Because they already got what they paid for. If they invested with the intention of reselling for great profit later down the road that's a risk that the purchasers made and is entirely their own responsibility - not Three Rings'.'

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 23:27
#46
Niichi's picture
Niichi
~

Not really that surprising a move for long term players. It's not like Three Rings haven't reintroduced rare stuff before.

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 23:31
#47
Glittertind

Well, this was an interesting and sort of unpredictable (or well, yea) move by Three Rings I guess.

I see how merchants can feel cheated by it. However, when you've been sitting on an item for over a year and you get offers up to 50K CE for an item 'cause of its rarity and you decide that you'll just sit on it for even longer, you should know the risk you're taking. Three Rings has re-introduced items before, they'll most likely do it again. And they shouldn't be blamed just because you thought you could sit on an item and keep it away from everyone for all eternity.

After all. It's their game. They made the item.
Why shouldn't they be able to earn a profit off of the things they produced through actual work?

... Hope this funds some more fancy updates.

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 23:30
#48
Apace's picture
Apace
i think its also good for ooo

i think its also good for ooo to be able to control their market more + to create a ce sink. it eliminates one of the many oppotunities for the richer to get richer. if you're a true merchant, you will always find a way

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 23:51
#49
Ezduzitt's picture
Ezduzitt
No one is reading what I

No one is reading what I wrote.... Such a shame. This isn't just about the sellers, but the BUYERS as well. The people grinding and buying CE to acquire these high end gears/accessories from said merchants or people just selling their stuff once they quit.

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 23:52
#50
Hellohippo's picture
Hellohippo
I've still got a pair of

I've still got a pair of Prismatic Valkyrie Wings with me. Buyer agreed to buy it for 60kce but obviously after this update they have pulled out and I don't blame them. I'm not upset about any loss I've made or have made since I started merching. Hoarding, investing or whatever you decide to call it, there's a risk anyway, be in irl or sk.

However as Ezduzitt said, it's the buyers who are gonna feel it worse. Over the past month, I have sold 4 pairs of Prismatic Valks for 60-65k ce. The last one just 2 days ago. Am I obliged to refund them, no. Why? As you all above have clearly pointed out, if sellers are suppose to DEAL with it, buyers should just deal with it too. Is OOO obliged to refund them, no. But at the end of the day, it's really just that, a slap in the face.

At the end of the day, I'm not in agreement with what OOO did. I agree a CE sink was needed, but I personally felt it could have been done better

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