Thanks for coming guys! I'd offer you a mug of misery, but I had to feed them to my pet to keep him from starving.
I feel like Ruby right now, but I'm going to say it. This Supply Depot update is atrocious.
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 12:52
#102
Occupy Page 3 - Permabrokes Only, No Wealthy Allowed!
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 12:58
#103
@Theopholis
"Not for quite as much perhaps"
To about 10% of the old price. It's [flipping] ridiculous
@Rezzler
"But it enciurages people with a life to play the gane and make it easier toclook decent, instead of seeing that one geek in haven with full hubter/surge/prismatic stuff"
Rare and exclusive content is not worth anything if everyone has this stuff. You are not entitled to all the content just because you happen to be a casual gamer, this mentality is killing games left right and center
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 13:08
#104
@Uuni
10% if you sell right now. Be patient, the prices will go back up. Maybe sell any other rare accesories that still have a good price before they go on sale too so that no one needs to start up this thread again in two months.
Rare and exclusive content is still worth it's value as content. If you think about the real, functional worth of these items, it's really quite low; yet regardless of how many people have them, they do still look rather nice. You shouldn't be determining the value of an item purely through it's rarity.
And, again, most "casual gamers" can still not afford these items. You're competing with other merchent types, not with us.
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 13:15
#105
Uh, yeah, this is crap.
Remember when you said that items would be available for "a limited time only"? Well you lied. Why should I invest in your promos anymore? Are you gonna own up to this, OOO/SEGA?
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 13:16
#106
:D be happy!!!
This is a wonderful Sale. Enjoy it while it last :D
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 13:22
#107
@Coneykrab
Remember when they didn't say that about these items? Also, they were available for a limited time only. And now they are again. There's still limits on that. Even if they had said it, it wouldn't've been a lie.
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 13:32
#108
I honestly find 4k CE to be a pretty reasonable price. Not that many knights have that kind of money.
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 14:09
#109
When I went to Haven, I hardly found anyone with ANY of the items O_o
Don't worry, noobs won't care about the sale items.
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 14:10
#110
my 2 cents
If there was a sale that came with s@#$ ton of boxes that contained the sale items, I wouldn't mind it as much. But supply depot? really......
+1
supply depot? unbound?
The rich lost and the poor won... you would think it's good because newcomer will get to "have some rare stuff" but all in all, nobody will sell their shadow valk wings because those who has them will probably leave... Vets leaving raging? lots of wealth goes to waste and will never be back, accessories, UV, mats, ce, cr, everything is gone...
Just think if Tigar would leave on a whim, just because he's tired of SK...
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 14:16
#111
^Who cares if they leave. ITS
^Who cares if they leave. ITS JUST A GAME
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 14:43
#112
@Theopholis
"Be patient, the prices will go back up"
They were worth more than this when they were originally released because there was only a limited amount of them in distribution. Now there's virtually unlimited amount out and their prices are at an all time low. It took some of the stuff almost 2 years to reach this point, they were initially about 30-50% of the pre-patch price. Now it will take more like 4 years to get even close to those prices if this game even lasts that long and they don't re-release them
"they do still look rather nice"
I agree, sorta. I didn't want to look like everyone else and I worked hard to ensure that's the case. Now all that work has gone to [barnacles] more or less but that's not what kills this for me. There's only a limited amount of possible item combinations so never was the ONLY one with the set combination but it was damn nice to stand from the crowd because you worked hard on it, it showed my dedication to this game in a way. I wouldn't mind seeing someone else with the exact same gear because I knew that they had gone through more or less the same amount of trouble in achieving their stuff. What really killed this for me is the next point though
"You shouldn't be determining the value of an item purely through it's rarity"
I valued these items in crowns/ce and now they aren't worth jack [barnacles] compared to three days ago. It was a convenient way for me to keep my money without worrying about currency fluctuations. It was the safest investment I could do in long term, there's no way I could have known they lose their value so suddenly and there's nothing I can do now. I got screwed over royally and I don't have the motivation to start all over again when my 'life savings' were taken away in a whim
@Shamanala
"you would think it's good because newcomer will get to "have some rare stuff""
This is exactly the problem. The stuff is not rare nor does it have any monetary or status value anymore. Anyone can get it and even though it's still not "cheap", it's nothing, NOTHING like it was before
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 15:11
#113
I think OOO made a few vocal
I think OOO made a few vocal veteran players very angry, and a couple of them may quit, but they just made a TON of veteran players VERY happy.
This update is amazing and I hope OOO continues to do it with other accessories (especially new ones) in the future.
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 17:25
#114
:(
I think this kind of thing, to sum it up in a few words, is like if they sold halloween masks and party hats for a few bucks in Runescape. Something very rare and valuable can now be the commonplace toy of a pay to player is the idea here, I think.
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 21:06
#115
What Rating said! This is hurting the smallest number of the most competent veteran players. If they were buying prismatic accessories before the update, they weren't hurting for virtual money.
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 21:20
#116
@Fehzor
If everything is accessible to everyone at any time, what's the point of collecting anything in this game? I don't see it as a good thing that you take away the end-game trophies and put them accessible to everyone. Shadow lairs being accessible I would like to see, that's actual CONTENT that only a small percentage can ever see, that's the kinda stuff that should be emphasized, not undermining the dedicated folks
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 21:44
#117
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...deal with it. sega will do what they want to do.
what the finkrat kind of post is this do you even know what sega did to the sonic franchise you flying cheese curd and you actually want that to happen to spiral knights go fall off a swing set
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 21:52
#118
Well...
You say "end game trophy".
The items in question were attributed that title by the community. OOO was silent regarding the future accessibility of them and made no comment as to whether they would be re-released. The placement of wings or tails or halos as an end game perk was largely created silently by the community based on an assumption: That the items would never be rereleased, or barely if so.
It may seem insensitive to reditribute these items when so many people have stockpiled them on the assumption that they would be stable at an astronomical price a couple of years later, but those stockpiles were built on guesses.
An assumption OOO has no obligation to back, might I add.
That being said, I'm very sorry for those that chose to stockpile the items. It isnt about greed or whatever other "ha ha, serves you right"s people are throwing about. But at the end of the day, there was no guarantee this wouldn't happen.
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 22:04
#119
@Heavy-Dragon
"An assumption OOO has no obligation to back, might I add"
I guess there's a certain amount of trust you have to put into the company developing the game you play. They can remove crowns as a currency and make everything work with CE if they like. It's for us to hope they don't do that and we would not be entitled to any compensation if they decided to do so
When something is available only for a limited time and doesn't re-appear for over a year I was pretty sure they wouldn't take this long to change their minds. I guess I was wrong and got burned. I don't really mind it that much, there's nothing for me to buy in the first place but I really don't get their design philosophy. Making everything more accessible to everyone EXCEPT the actually interesting content like shadow lairs. More endgame content please, not less. The pets were kinda nice but dear god why do they have to be solely a material sink? More bosses, more exploration, more difficulty (not just enemies with more HP or runs that are purely gear-check), more things to DO. Actually DO not just log in every 50 minutes to put materials into a material sink
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 00:44
#120
This was a bad move for OOO
I think this sale was a bad move on OOO's part in the long run because they just ruined any future economy investment players will have. Economically speaking the monetary value of an item is based on trust on the body that puts out that value. Basically it means that something is worth more the more faith people have in the value of the currency making it go up or down. Before, people trust that these rare items will stay rare which is what caused the price to go up so high. People also trusted that they won't see them in large numbers which is another factor that cause them to go so high. This is also the reason people don't invest in ce by buying just ce and keeping it as they know that ce price can fluctuate rapidly) either through a promo or mark influencing from rich players) which is why they invested in a more solid trust fund a.k.a. the rare items. Therefor you could think the rare item market as a kind of bank where people can store their money to protect themselves from fluctuating ce market price since they know that rare item value will only go up with time.
Now that OOO has proven that even the rare items can be released in mass quantity in an instant they have basically ruined the trust anyone has on rare item investing. Now there's really not much in terms of investment people can do so I feel the market will start stalling as people with large amount of cash go down because they can't invest on anything that will stay stable long enough for them to move it. This is a problem because it can cause markets to fluctuate rapidly(like what we have seen with ce and cr in the pass) and there won't a stable foothold for any future merchant to hang on to. This will cause a major problem because merchant were the ones bringing in ce to the market because they are usually the ones buying and selling ce(through item or otherwise) to people. They would only do so when they have a good investment to recoup any major lost they have in the energy market fluctuation a.k.a. the rare items. Now that even the rare item are no longer rare and don't have a solid investment anymore so what will they switch to that could be their investment foothold? I don't see anything that could potentially be that right now as energy markets are almost unpredictable. This means no one will invest on anything in the future.
Of course this promo will bring the masses cheaper items but can any of you really say that you will buy energy to buy these cheap accessories? I wouldn't if I could grind the crowns and buy ce through the market for them and neither would any of the newer ftp players. In the short run this will bring some cash to OOO since every wants it but in the long run ruining the trust in the rare item market will bring a disastrous effect to the market because no one will invest in an uncertain investment. So when a new promo comes out people will buy like normal but the people who would usually buy a lot of the promo items to sell later will no longer do so because they won't know if the price will be the same in the future bringing OOO less cash then before. I'm not too certain for the future of the market with the ruining of trust like this unless the merchant can find another rock solid investment avenue to put their money in. I just hope OOO really know what they are doing with this for the future of SK.
TL:DR : OOO ruins player's faith in rare items no one will buy a lot of future promo item in fear of it being release again like in this promo bringing OOO less money per promo. SK economy is now uncertain in the future because less investing on promos.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 05:13
#121
Perfect^
Ellip sums up everything perfectly, close the thread now.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 06:11
#122
Ellip makes a giant, flawed
Ellip makes a giant, flawed assumption in that people buy into promos to invest in the items for future sale. While there are some people who buy the items for future sale, generally those who stock up do NOT purchase the CE packs, they instead spend their stores of CR and CE. The vast majority of people who buy into promos are looking to use one or more of the potential items and will use the items themselves or immediately sell the item and keep the CE for future use.
Another note that the critics fail to explore is the possibility that people may in fact spend WAY more buying accessories and other items directly from OOO, rather than investing in prize boxes that may give you an item you kind of want, with a small chance of giving you something excellent. None of the critics want to admit that this may in fact be BETTER for the future growth of the game.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 07:14
#123
Been following this thread, debating whether or not to weigh in. I was one of the players who did a lot of raging when first gen rose sets showed up in the newly introduced featured auctions. I will say that while I also feel very badly for recent buyers (and sellers too, as they are potentially put in a sticky situation with their patrons), a big difference between then and now is that OOO made it very, very clear at the conclusion of that whole mess that any and all in-game items can and will show up again in some form, be it promo or otherwise. Not saying that's fair/unfair to players who still choose to invest in stockpiling limited-time items for sale later, or to their buyers who spent a lot on recent purchases, just that comparing the current sale to the introduction of featured auctions needs to be taken in context (and that part of that context was OOO telling the players in no uncertain terms that they reserve the right to reintroduce past promo items again in the future).
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 08:21
#124
I would assume about 75% of
I would assume about 75% of the population who buys promo also buys about 1-3 extra of the promo to keep for future sales. They usually buy one for themselves to use or they buy it and sell everything to buy what they want from other people if they didn't get what they wanted. The Prize Boxes were good because they didn't give you exactly what you wanted 100% of the time so people had to buy multiple boxes to get what they wanted driving prices for items up. I know people who usually buy these item for future sale don't buy them all with real money and actually use cr and ce to purchase them from other players who would usually buy only 2 or 3 packs of promo. I'm saying even though people are buying with cr and ce they would hesitate to even do that because they won't know if the price in the future for cr and ce to be even less then they are buying it for right now. A perfect example of this right now is the dragon wing because during the promo the so called rare dragon wings would cost 5k ce at their lowest price but now they are 4k ce a pop so they are even less then when the promo was on but with no risk. This would stop people from purchasing too much of anything without thinking about it now. This in turn will ripple to the promo buyer since they wouldn't be able to sell their item for as much as they could have or won't be able to sell as many of them at all making them purchase less in the future.
The feature item was a little shocking when it came out but didn't affect prices very much since they were introducing item into the market at a very small rate so people didn't feel in danger of it. The problem comes when there are unlimited quantity which is what brings the whole market down since you can now buy at no risk with small amount of ce even less then when the promo was.
If it came in prize boxes then I would think there would less complaint seeing as how it's not 100% of getting exactly what you want so you either have to buy directly from someone who got it or shell out even more money for more chances. Now with OOO completely eliminating the risk why would you buy more chances or from anyone else when you can get it directly from the source with no middle man?
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 11:58
#125
ellip, i don't think '75% of
ellip, i don't think '75% of the population who buys promos also buys about 1-3 extra of the promo to keep for future sales'. maybe 75% of your friends but not the community. i might be wrong though. iirc, dragon wings did not cost 5kce during the dragon promo. it was about 60kcr-150kcr. premium being 15kce-20kce
anybody who invests should already know there is a risk. we take risks to make profits, sometimes it doesnt work out and we make a loss or breakeven
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 10:30
#126
Be careful, this post could include personal opinion!
Yes, I agree, it's not normal that some people buy promo stuff just to sell it later for a fiendish amount of money again. So this Supply Depot update is atrocious because you can't exploit the economy again in the future? Aw, I'm so sorry for you... for a few seconds. It's not really intended if you ask me, that you make yourself richer than OOO. And OOO has shown that they want to make >their< money, not you(rs). And I'm very sure anyway, that super rich people don't use their incredible much energy for things in the game, more for (more or less) unlegit things like building CE or CE walls at the energy exchange, or exporting the energy outside of the game. But this is just my opinion!
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 13:59
#127
@ Extrajuicybits: The premium
@ Extrajuicybits: The premium Dragon wing cost around 5k ce around the end of the promo, I remember because that's how much I brought mine for(granted I didn't buy many dragon wings at all since I barely had any ce at all then). Maybe after when the promo ended that price jumped a little because people couldn't buy it through the promo anymore but I'm very sure at the cost of dragon wing at the end of the promo.
@Fashama: Of course not very many people buy promo to wait for a year to sell it back for large amount of cash. There is not too many people with that kind of patient or future thinking that they would still be playing by that time. What I mean when I say people buy small extra amount of promo to sell is that after the promo they start selling so anytime after the promo the price will still be higher then when they were selling it in the promo. This doesn't necessarily mean you wait a year to sell your stuff for large amount of cash because if everyone did that the price be no where near as high as it is. The only reason it goes that high is because supply dwindle meaning people start to sell them right as the promo ends and supply start going down.
The amount of energy people have in game and whether they "make you richer than OOO" doesn't matter because at the end of the day someone had to buy the energy and OOO always gets the money that comes from energy purchase so any energy they already have means that OOO already got the money for it so being "richer then OOO" is impossible since they already own everything you have. The real value in currency(whether energy, rare items, or even crowns is the supply and demand. Something is worth only as much what someone is willing to pay for it.
I think you guys are misunderstanding something. This isn't me complaining about whether or not OOO should have re-released the dragon wings. It's about how much they released it for and the fact that it's 100% guarantee along with unlimited quantity. I mean after this demand will be an all time low since the price was so low anyone with time to grind could have brought it and even more important is that OOO just told us that they can re-release anything at anytime for lower then what they were in the promo cost. This will mean people will no longer hoard anything and no longer buy in bulk(with cr, energy or, irl money) anymore for fearing of this happening again. Sure all the players that were present for the promo will get what they wanted but after it end there won't be a ready supply of item left over for those who miss the promo and those who didn't have the time and couldn't afford it during the promo. This will bring a super fast price bounce to any items left in the market so anyone who misses the promo is screwed unless you are super rich.
Another problem is that since people wont buy as much in a promo as they would have then OOO would probably be force to either release more promos more frequently or find another way to drive up energy demand to force people to buy energy. Most people would see this as a good thing since OOO would be releasing stuff all the time keeping prices on item low but it will slow them down in other areas such as updates and new content even more then before. I for one don't think we need even more promos at the cost of even slower updates and content would you?
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 15:02
#128
The problem is your logic is
The problem is your logic is very flawed. It's hard to have a discussion with you about your opinion because of your ignorance to what this truly means for the future of Spiral Knights.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 15:27
#129
my 2 cents
Ellip got it all right
If you can't understand then follow some economic class 101, it's basic stuff.
Rarity, demands, offers and hoarders.
I vouch for the 75% ppl who buys promo buy extra to sell later, checking AH for so long made it clear that a lot of people bought and resell later... (maybe not 75% but a good portion of us does, that includes ME)
Check AH for nemesis/hunter/winter prize box... still has some surge costume going on too...
SK economy is runed by fewer player than you would think... lol
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 15:34
#130
You 'vouch' that 75% of the
You 'vouch' that 75% of the population buy promos for selling later? Or even 50%? That's laughable. It's less than 10% of the population who does that, you just happen to be surrounded by people who participate, which I'm fairly certain has skewed your sense of perspective.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 15:42
#131
my 2 cents
One time buyer buys one time on one promo
People that buys on each promos and stock up are the same.
They may not be the 75% population, but they will bring out 75-90% of the promo items, which is the same at the end of the day for this conversation about the economy of SK.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 15:53
#132
I didn't say 75% of the
I didn't say 75% of the population buy promo. I said 75% of the people who buy promo also buy 1-3 extra to resell later. At the end of the day, however, it doesn't matter what the percentage of the people that buy the promo but how many promo get brought up as a whole because that is what bring OOO money, it could be 100 people buy 1 promo item each or 5 people buying 20 promo item each the end number is what matters and what I'm saying is that this promo will cause the end number to be lowered due to decrease value place on the item price.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 18:32
#133
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Why does everyone think they know what the majority of the community is doing? I repeat, EVERYONE. I must be the only dumb one in this house. At the end of the day, whatever you think the community is doing, are just assumptions, not the truth.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 18:32
#134
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Sat, 08/10/2013 - 18:36
#135
WELL YOU ARE DUMB ENOUGH TO DOUBLE POST!
<3
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 18:50
#136
"Stock Market Knights: Age of Empires Edition"
I think I must have missed the update that changed this game to "Stock Market Knights."
I wish I'd known that baseless claims about a virtual economy had become more important that actual game play.
(I honestly can't believe I'm hearing this much about killing the market and the loss of value of items in a casual adventure MMORPG)
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 18:56
#137
Educated guess drive the
Educated guess drive the world market just so you know. It's what the stock market is about, what day trading is about, and almost any other kind of trading is about, which is guessing the right condition, timing, and price to make the most profit or to minimize your lost. Of course no one knows what EVERYONE will do because that is impossible unless you are spying on everyone all the time 24/7. That's why any market analyst use educated guesses because even they don't know 100% of what the market will do. The reason people pay those analyst hundred of thousand of dollars is that their educated guess can be very accurate based on data and knowing how the market will respond to something from pass experience. Of course no one knows what will happen in the future for SK with 100% accuracy but you can still form an educated guess from what has happen in the past and from what you know of the market now. At the end of the day there is no truth to anything because it can't be true until it happens so all people are always left with is assumption(guesses) and I don't see anything wrong with that as long as they are educated assumption.
The average player will never really deal with this but with a company like OOO they have to deal with it since they are a private company with a profit/loss mindset. Virtual economy is just like real economy it is just played with less money then the real economy does(comparing billions of dollar to around a few thousand or hundred thousand). If the virtual economy dies then so will OOO and they will try to prevent that however they can.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 19:14
#138
my 2 cents
I think I must have missed the update that changed this game to "Stock Market Knights."
Happened with Solstice, Surge, Hunter, Hallow, GH, Winter and Moorcroft promos
The only good promo was the kat one, and it exhausted everyone lol
Sun, 08/11/2013 - 03:56
#139
darkfang shield
That is all.
Sun, 08/11/2013 - 12:29
#140
@Skold-The-Drac
Guess what's going up next time in the store along with shadow wings ^^
Only 5k ce each, gotta get those rares out in the distribution. What fun would it be if everyone couldn't have everything, especially if they spent a few dollars in the game, right?
Even if they don't do it I sure as hell wouldn't invest in anything supposedly rare ever again. Risks with that kinda sums are just not worth taking
Sun, 08/11/2013 - 13:21
#141
i was thinking herex would've gotten dlc..
That gives the dark fang with a surprise upgrade for it.
all with an exclusive dlc missions pack for 5000ce per tier (like the Asian server did with seerus).
But I also have mad bomber, which has become a novelty all its own, stupid or elsewise.
Sun, 08/11/2013 - 14:22
#142
elephant in the clockworks.
It seems that the accessories in question were largely being used as bargaining chips for people that didn't want to use them on armor, rather than being bought for that purpose.
Those individuals that wanted the items for that purpose often found then well out of their buying range.
Maybe the devs actually wanted to see people wearing them again, instead of using them as stocks. Iunno.
Sun, 08/11/2013 - 15:03
#143
I, for one, appreciate this
I, for one, appreciate this update.
I can finally get my dream accessory. ^^
Sun, 08/11/2013 - 20:18
#144
@Heavy-Dragon
"Maybe the devs actually wanted to see people wearing them again, instead of using them as stocks. Iunno."
They could have just put more of them into the featured auctions like they put the tabard pieces. Limited stock, flat price. It wouldn't demolish the prices completely and permanently
"It seems that the accessories in question were largely being used as bargaining chips for people that didn't want to use them on armor, rather than being bought for that purpose."
I had wings so I could trade them to auras, glow eyes or cash whenever I had use for any. I never saw anyone use them as bargaining chips, people got a couple of them when they were new, used some and saved rest for trading or selling later. They were a safe investment that you could convert reliably to the more valuable currency at the time
Mon, 08/12/2013 - 05:52
#145
After a year of not checking
After over a year of not checking in this community, and I see the same things are always complained about. Funny thing is that I thought the "lessons" learned against "investing" (this is not a word that should be used in this game, quite honestly) was already learned quite vocally a year ago by the regalia coming back in new colors. Of course, the "first editions" weren't released, but the people of the time already got that there's no promise not to do things again.
And of course as another obvious and vocal example, there were updates to variants that made people "question" their "investments" (again, bad word to use in this game) of High gear variants through Punch. And even those who jumped ship to Punch their equipment themselves "questioned" when variants could be locked rather than having them do a complete gamble when re-rolling with the higher-variant tickets.
This time, it's just more obvious because they made it a straight re-release. Yet people are learning about this type of thing now? Those were just two big examples from above, but it's not like this type of thing hasn't somewhat happened in a regular rate every several months in different ways that affect the SK market.
This is just info from what I'm aware of from 2012 and mid-2011. It can even be expanded further to even before what I know, and this is where memory gets fuzzier, but I'm pretty sure I had recounts of even players from the beta who came into the game after it was "officially" released who were complaining about something affecting the market and their "investments" from early-2011.
Are people going to keep "relearning" this information that has been already known several times over, and continue to make these type of complaints every half-year or so?
Mon, 08/12/2013 - 08:42
#146
@Volebamus
"regalia coming back in new colors"
First set value didn't decrease and first set is still most valuable
"High gear variants through Punch"
High triple valuables did not lose value
"This time, it's just more obvious because they made it a straight re-release"
Not even re-release. If it were re-release the price would not have plummeted anywhere near as much like it did now. Unlimited stock and flat price, not rng promo
"Are people going to keep "relearning" this information that has been already known several times over"
This is a change of the pattern. If oldest regalia became available for vendor purchase back then, the value would have been destroyed, yet it didn't. If you could just buy triple max UV's, they'd lose their value, yet you can't and it's still a huge gamble. Now you can buy as many 'rare' accessories as you want, which completely wrecks any value they had earlier unlike the examples you gave earlier. Sure it might seem like a pattern but this is way different in practice than the previous occasions
Mon, 08/12/2013 - 11:34
#147
The idea I'm saying from the
The idea I'm saying from the regalia v2 was that there were no actual promises that anything couldn't be redone or re-released. People at the time already learned that if these new colors could come in, nothing actually stops the old colors from coming back.
Same with Punch updates, the idea that you can be an update away from compromising triples that were previously a luck-shot, like (very) high-doubles, or triples that had two (very) highs with one medium. The idea that someone who got a VH CTR with a worthless secondary/tertiary could keep that VH CTR to roll for another good attribute was questioned by the ones who felt they initially wasted rolls on naturally-occurring (V)H doubles/triples.
And I recall an actual update that does what you are most worried about that the other two updates didn't: OOO-seeded Featured Bazaar bids. When that update rolled around, AGAIN people learned that anything could be reissued.
How can this be a change in pattern if the featured auctions having rare items were from a year and a half ago? Admittedly, the recent update is more of a "dump-truck" approach, but anyone familiar with these past updates for the past two years should know by now that this type of thing was always possible to happen.
Mon, 08/12/2013 - 12:41
#148
I think this is less of a
I think this is less of a what CAN they do but more of a what WOULD they do. Introducing new colors and feature auction house is fine as it barely reduces the price for the overall market. The problem comes with the "dump truck" approach in that it was even less then when the promo came out and that it is unlimited. Basically this just proves OOO doesn't mind screwing anyone who brought the original packs during the promo at all which is what people are realizing right now. I mean they even put up the some of the wings in the feature auction house before they introduced this so this is either a last minute plan change made after that decision or they just plain don't care what happens to the player paying for all of this. They could have just easily palette swapped the wings into new colors and that wouldn't have affect the market as much but they didn't. Either way it's really a messed up "promo" in the sense that OOO doesn't care about the paying players in any sense and care more about getting our money.
Mon, 08/12/2013 - 15:28
#149
I get what you're saying. I
I get what you're saying. I guess the thing is that despite me not ever really being pessimistic about this game, the idea of its internal economy being used as a means of "investment" was something I would heavily argue against, mostly because it doesn't exist in an environment where no promises of value were ever given.
This is mostly through personal experience as a small-time seller myself of crafting 5*, farming recipes, grabbing mats, and the like. Update after update, a new one every few months would whittle away the profitability of methods through things like unbinding, increases in crafting costs, auction house, missions, etc. And I wasn't part of the big-time investors who would hold things like the 1st-edition regalias, but holders would always create new topics month after month about how yet another update screwed over their profitability.
I get that this topic wasn't really just meant to talk about hoarders and their profit margins, and that the topic creator was more concerned over the buyers who got screwed over by having to pay what is now considered overly-inflated prices for the accessories. But those two groups go hand in hand, as an update that affects one would of course affect the other, so it's a given to address both issues simultaneously. The catch is that if you even want to talk about how buyers got screwed over, it's not news either.
tl;dr:
I didn't think I'd see the same type of topic I've been seeing in the earlier years. I personally learned the lesson myself as a seller of wares, and seeing others who were more big-time into it complain about other updates. At this point, how could you trust in the idea of "investment" when there are no promises of value from the game's creators? Since OOO finally did a dump-truck method (honestly, I thought this was bound to happen earlier on in 2012 anyway), will the same type of topic still appear a year from now?
Mon, 08/12/2013 - 17:38
#150
This is a pretty fantastic sale. For every merchant whining about how they are entitled to the exclusivity of their wares, there are dozens of new players plunking down a couple bucks for the CE to buy a halo, wings, or whatever. And every CE spent to purchase stuff from the depot is basically money that OOO makes. I have always been in favor of a cosmetics cash shop, and I hope OOO will continue to offer rotating, limited time sales of various 'top tier' accessories. This makes the majority of players happier by offering easier access to formerly unreachable costumes, as well as earning OOO lots of money by taking CE out of circulation.
Pardon my use of 'CE', as I am an old fogey now. :D
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