I'd think Spiral Command would have a heart attack if they saw how much mineral profit they lost to Knights' pets with the latest update. Not to mention the fact that the dungeons are turning almost completely green & blue. I think it would make sense both story-wise and game-wise if pet food was made with shards instead, we've got thousands of those. This way, people will go back to getting as much minerals as they can rather than only choosing the ones pets eat.
Thoughts?
This would fix the arcade once and for all, +1
I have 860 Dark shards and 690 red shards
yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah (+1)
I pretty much said the same thing in anouther thread but I didn't acually suggest it, oh well
they should have gone with shards from the start to be honest. I don't get why they chose minerals.
Possibly because minerals are much harder to collect than shards. Not to mention that the drop table is screwed up (I got a bushy tail in RJP), so shards could easily drop everywhere.
This problem can be easily solved.
With the replacing of minerals for shards, the quantity would be changed, like this:
Mote:10 shards
Dust:20 shards
Stone:30 shards
Orb?:40 shards
Star:50 shards
EDIT: +1
This is probably the only way to end the Arcade Blizzard without either screwing over sprite owners or further starving off the Arcade.
Warp... I'll be honest with you. If you are like me and wear a skelly suit at all times then the toxic blizzard of the arcade wouldn't be such an issue c;
It's still annoying to play nothing but Poison and Freeze with some Beast and Undead randomly thrown in the mix. In fact, I suspect that the only thing keeping the Arcade from being nothing but Poison and Freeze is the "no consecutive strata" rule that was added after some random dudes made an all-slime gate.
I know that the quantities could be changed easily, but even so, you can still pull 40 red shards and dark shards from FSC (Made up numbers.)
Because Shards are far more common than Minerals. There's only 5 different types of Minerals and if you switch it to Shards then everyone will have a Level 100 Pet by now.
The-Mighty-Potato they are doing this to stop all the poison and ice gates that are happening, they are very annoying
"Because Shards are far more common than Minerals. There's only 5 different types of Minerals and if you switch it to Shards then everyone will have a Level 100 Pet by now."
eheheh no they're not
I have the achievement for selling 10,000 minerals, i got that months or maybe a year ago. Currently, i have about 5,000 total shards (never sold any), and i'd bet that even if you count all the ones i've used for crafting, it won't come anywhere near 10,000. It just seems that way because people are encouraged to sell their minerals.
Maybe if you played solo all the time you'd have more, but most people play with others - or at least with an open party.
Maybe if you played solo all the time you'd have more, but most people play with others - or at least with an open party.
eh.. How "solo" give you more minerals? thats the opposite thing. Solo get you less minerals than playing in group. i alwasy try to play in group to farm minerals because you get more than playing alone. (the day i was farming frumicous fang token for snarbostuffing i did the runs needed for 120 tokens, and even in Normal mode i got around 200 Green shards, while dark matters probably around 40-50 not so much) and going alone, sure going in group would get more, but that dont explain why playing solo give you more minerals and less shards. but this show you the point of potato.
Maybe we cant have the minerals we look in the level, let say we play an undead level and all the minerals in the level are luminite, but even if you get a Shiny luminite deposit, you get 6 luminites, the others give 4,3,2, 1 etc. so maybe Potato point was "you get less minerals per level while shards you get tons of them per level". and with that thinking in mind sure minerals are harder to get in big bundles while shards you can farm lots of them per level.
i have the achievement of 10,000 minerals and made it 2 years ago, and honestly took more time to do that, than farm around 25,000 shards (thing i deposited in guild treasury along others mats for boss trophies, 2 years of playing...) and honestly i dont see how solo give you more minerals... sure solo enemies die faster, but you can only carry 1 mineral and thats if you are lucky to get the Shiny size, Going in group give you more minerals but also you get the same materials as your friends so there not difference.
Well now in topic i asked myself the same thing when they announced pets in test server and when i look what i need to craft their food, was minerals and not shards. so "why they made it to use minerals instead shards?" but Potato have a point here. and you prove it with saying "i have more shards than minerals" from what i have as leftovers from all the stuff i deposited in guild treasury, i still have a bunch of shards and would raise my pet to 100 easily (well already its 100) with shards rather than minerals, with minerals took me a bit of time.
If they change minerals to shards probably the final price to craft stuff would be:
Mote: 10 shards
Dust: 25 shards
Stone: 50 shards
Orbs: 100 shards
Star: 200 shards
because with less shards anyone would raise their sprite in 1 day (if they play non stop) or in just 3 days. they did in that way maybe to keep people busy for a while until they add new content to keep us busy. i just raised the pet in 3 days and honestly idk what to do now lol.
eh.. How "solo" give you more minerals? thats the opposite thing.
No, i said solo gives you less minerals. Paragraphing is important.
Yes, i just realised materials are more common now, i forgot they aren't randomly given out anymore, so there would be more shards than minerals.
And those prices are waaaay too expensive. Remember you'll need about 25 of these each? With these numbers, you'd need 9025 of them. That's absurd.
@Pipipipipi
They're releasing more Sprites eventually, you'll be able to choose another one and hopefully these (2?) Sprites will balance out the Arcade.
@Bonabopn
""Because Shards are far more common than Minerals. There's only 5 different types of Minerals and if you switch it to Shards then everyone will have a Level 100 Pet by now."
eheheh no they're not"
Umm yes they are. What planet are you on? Because it doesn't sound like Cradle...
"I have the achievement for selling 10,000 minerals, i got that months or maybe a year ago."
Good for you. This game has been out years, taken a while?
"Maybe if you played solo all the time you'd have more, but most people play with others - or at least with an open party."
Then you're next post says...
"No, i said solo gives you less minerals. Paragraphing is important."
At first you say if you played solo all the time YOU'D HAVE MORE.
Now your next post says that YOU said: I said solo gives you LESS MINERALS.
Just Wow...
And those prices are waaaay too expensive. Remember you'll need about 25 of these each? With these numbers, you'd need 9025 of them. That's absurd.
Actually thats around the number of minerals you need to level up your pet to 100, and i know because i asked a guy to craft around 150 shadow orbs for my pet and he need around "4000" dark matter, and i dont know how many minerals need the guy who sold me the 125 shadow stars i was looking for. so knowing OOO and the point of this thread its to change minerals to shards they going to make the same "balance" and probably will end up with those numbers or more. (well more likely they going to balance it in the way that shards would need the same amount in "equivalence" terms of minerals so people will take some time to raise their pet while they add new content).
@The-Mighty-Potato
1. I corrected myself in the next post.
2. The achievement is proof i've had more than 10,000 minerals, i mentioned it as evidence to show how i've had more minerals than shards. Don't just single out that sentence like it was irrelevant.
3. Okay, grammar lesson. Paragraphing can change the meaning of things. The sentence "Mabye if you play..." is not related to minerals because i did not say 'minerals' in that paragraph; that was the last paragraph. I should've said "shards", but i assumed you'd be smart enough to fill in the gap, sorry for overestimating you.
Also, way to go on turning this into an argument, i appreciate the bumps.
@Sweet-Hope
"Actually thats around the number of minerals you need to level up your pet to 100..."
No, you need a bit less than 1650 minerals currenty to level your pet to 100. You only need to feed your pet it's favourite food once per level, the rest of the experience can be from exploring or feeding any other material.
Has no one suggested here that we could craft minerals WITH shards?
@Klipik there is anouther thread suggesting that
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/87159
No, you need 1650 minerals currenty to level your pet to 100. You only need to feed your pet it's favourite food once per level, the rest of the experience can be from exploring or feeding any other material.
if you want to use a lot of material 5 stars. pet food (from lvl 51 to 100) give them 25% of the heat so in that case you need 5 pet food for 1 level so frm 51 to 75 you only need 125 orbs. the same thing happen from 76 to 100, you only need 5 pet food for 1 level, which you will need 125 stars (plus another 25 stars for level up to the max the last perks).
you only need 1650 minerals if you have plans to use only the pet food to get to the next level, but you want to use materials to fill that heat. you will need MORE minerals if you want to feed your pet with only peet food (4 for the full heat, 1 for the level up). just asking which level is your pet? because honestly i think you are spending a lot of mats 5 stars to raise your pet and honestly you cant say "isnt truth pet food and 5 stars materials give the same" you will start to notice that when your pet reach 50+ level. where mats 5 stars only give around 10 or 5% of the heat and pet food gives 25% of the heat.
i know those data because i wanted to level up quick my pet from 50 to 100 since mats 5 stars just barely give heat to them. so yes. to level up your pet in the quick way. you will need around 7000 or 9000 minerals if you have plans to use only pet food (you can skip a lot of minerals if you use 5 stars mats and some 4 stars mats to fill the small gap of heat when you are around lvl 1-49, but around 50 mats 5 stars isnt enought to level up quick them and you will need more materials 5 stars but they are easy to get anyway).
and my point its: if OOO make the swicht from Minerals to Shards, they going to make that we going to spent the same amount in shards in equivalence terms, for example (just example) we need 20 minerals then they going to make it we going to need 100. because pet food is the fastest way to level up the pet to 100, with mats will take you a lot of time and you will see it later ;).
also when you post in a forum you should know there would be people that agreee and disagree with your idea so no reason to get mad. just take it easy. argument there would be in every suggestions you only need patience for it.
My sprite is lvl 86, and the only time I've used favorite food other than leveling up has been when I got more than I needed to reach lvl100 through trading. Other than that, my wraith has just been eatin' through all of my 4* mats.
thats right, but you dont going to deny that you need a lot of mats 5 stars (well 4 stars) to fill up that heat. as i said it not like im telling dont use 5 star mat or 4 stars mat to level up your pet. but the point its that 1650 mineral is just if you want to level up with the pet food without use pet food to fill up that heat, and even 1650 minerals is somewhat big amount of minerals, to level up quickly your pet (took me i think 2 or 3 days) i used pet food which as i said from 50 to 100 you will need around 300 pet food: 125 orbs (50-75) 125 stars (76-100 plus anohter 25 for the last perks) and thats a lot of minerals.
but even that you need to trade minerals and all you still need to spent X amount of minerall. i just bought it because well honestly before the "server test update" i sold most of minerals and 5 stars items (except dragon scale since in test the machine asked for them). and lost all of them so my only way was to bought them and get some minerals in clockworks
well my point its. OP says we only need 1650 to level up to 100 which is right, but only if you want to level it trought feeding it with the pet food to reach the next level and to fill the heat you need tons of materials (you dont going to deny me you spent a lot of materials to fill up that heat bar, but if you deny it then i dont going to believe it unless OOO made a patch fix). to fill up that bar i cant remember, you need maybe 10 or 15, 5 stars mats? i cant remember since i just did it when i run out of stars to level up the last perks). but using only pet food to reach the max level you need tons of mineral probably around 6000 - 9000 range (maybe tats why OOO give us 9000 minerals in the test server).
So if OOO make the swicht from Mineral to Shards they going to make the amount needed for shards to level up the pets would be the equivalent of minerals needed to level up the pets, no matter how you want to level it up with only mats or pet food.
if im not clear i can try be more clear :)
@Sweet-Hope
You're writing too much for me. x.x
I use four-star mats to level up my pet because they are easy to get than minerals, and i have hundreds of them - but which method is most efficient is not the point of this thread. My pet is lvl 63, i think.
Also i have no idea what made you think i was mad, is that some sort of 'u mad' joke?
umm well was this you'd be smart enough to fill in the gap, sorry for overestimating you. Also, way to go on turning this into an argument, i appreciate the bumps. some people will take that like if you were mad.
And no, i know the thread is not about the best method to raise your pet. its about if we swicht minerals to shards. and since:
Mote:10 shards
Dust:20 shards
Stone:30 shards
Orb?:40 shards
Star:50 shards
is a easy price and easy way to quick level up your pet, everyone will have a lvl 100 pet in matter of days and well.. i dont think OOO made the sprites being leveled up in 1-3 days unless you have a big amount of minerals in your inventory or money to spent for them with other players.
then you said: And those prices are waaaay too expensive. Remember you'll need about 25 of these each? With these numbers, you'd need 9025 of them. That's absurd.
after i posted what i would beilieve the prices if OOO set them which probably will end up something like this:
Mote: 10 shards
Dust: 25 shards
Stone: 50 shards
Orbs: 100 shards
Star: 200 shards
or around those numbers because OOO will set the amount needed of shards being equivalent to the amount you will spent using minerals, no matter if you want to use only mats to raise your pet or only pet food. thats what i said
not something like i oppose to this :) but honestly thats how this would end since they want us to keep busy with the pets for a while, until they do something to keep us again busy with new content.
that'll be too easy , where would OOO earn their money?
Atore they get money from people buying energy, something uneffected by this.
"Maybe if you played solo all the time you'd have more, but most people play with others - or at least with an open party."
You say I need a grammar lesson yet that's not even a paragraph, it's a sentence.
"1. I corrected myself in the next post."
No you didn't, you changed what you said (read it again).
"2. The achievement is proof i've had more than 10,000 minerals, i mentioned it as evidence to show how i've had more minerals than shards. Don't just single out that sentence like it was irrelevant."
I'm not cutting anything out. My point is is that this game was released a couple of years ago yet you say you got the achievement about a month ago. That implies that the achievement takes a long time. Heck, I don't even have the achievement and I've been playing since Day 1 of Steam launch.
3. Okay, grammar lesson. Paragraphing can change the meaning of things. The sentence "Mabye if you play..." is not related to minerals because i did not say 'minerals' in that paragraph; that was the last paragraph. I should've said "shards", but i assumed you'd be smart enough to fill in the gap, sorry for overestimating you.
That doesn't mean it's not about the same subject (just because it didn't say minerals). Also, I got no idea what you're talking about when you say;"fill in the gap."
~The-Mighty-Potato
@The-Mighty-Potato
Single sentences can be paragraphs. *throws a dictionary at you* I'm going to throw a dictionary at you again if you try to argue semantics.
1. That's called 'correcting oneself'.
2. ...I don't see your point. I only mentioned it to prove i've had more minerals than shards. You're overcomplicating this.
3. It's an idiom. It means i thought you would understand. There are two ways of interpreting that sentence, i assumed you would pick the one that made sense and not complain about the other one.
@Sweet-Hope
'Some people' are obviously mistaken, and need to get their 'mad' sensors checked. :3
By those first set of numbers you've posted, it'd cost at least 3,000 shards of a certain type to reach lvl 100, which is more than i have after over a year of playing. That's more than enough to keep everyone from having a lvl 100 pet in 1-3 days. Bear in mind that each dungeon run has, what, 10-20 shards? And remember you need like 50 5-star materials too, not something you can get in 1-3 days.
"1. That's called 'correcting oneself'." You're still not reading it correctly. Before you said that you'd get more if you solo but then you didn't correct yourself, you told others that YOU SAID that you'd get less, meaning that you're saying others are wrong, but no. YOU didn't correct yourself. You said that they got it wrong and that you didn't. I'm getting bored of this.
"2. ...I don't see your point. I only mentioned it to prove i've had more minerals than shards. You're overcomplicating this."
I'm not overcomplicating anything. My initial point was that Shards are more common than Minerals. (Almost) any monster can drop a Shard yet there's only 5 Minerals in most levels (some levels don't have any). I was saying that minerals AREN'T as common as shards because you say that you only got the achievement a month ago or whatever, and my point here is that the game has been out for years, and it's only been NOW that you got the achievement.
"3. It's an idiom. It means i thought you would understand. There are two ways of interpreting that sentence, i assumed you would pick the one that made sense and not complain about the other one."
I'm sorry, but I only see one way to interpret your other sentence, plus...
"Maybe if you played solo all the time you'd have more, but most people play with others - or at least with an open party."
You say that that sentence isn't related to Minerals, but it is....a lot. You say YOU"D HAVE MORE. More meaning more Minerals. You just didn't type Minerals and now you're saying that it isn't at all related. And just because you didn't say a word in your paragraph it doesn't always mean it's not about that.
/me grabs an Aegis and defends himself while Bonabopn throws Dictionaries at him.
There isn't really much else i can say without repeating myself. So just read my previous posts until you understand, okay? c:
I stopped trading in my minerals when they initiated the rank missions, mainly just cuz it was too much of a bother to go to the arcade just to trade in my minerals. Consequently, I had 8000-9000 of each and therefore, I was able to feed my battle sprite the favored food exclusively, which took almost exactly 7000 to reach level 100.
I have also been selling the sprite mats such as a 5* star for an average of 5000-8000 each. Bear in mind that this mat requires 25 minerals, 2 x 5* mats and 500 crowns to make. Assuming the 5* mats are worth 1250 each, that makes the profit on each sprite star 2000-5000 each. Divide that by 25 and you can see that I've been selling minerals for 100-200 crowns each, which is way better than the 2-3 the gates have been offering.
In conclusion, my minerals have netted me about 2 million crowns because, unlike shards, they cannot be purchased or traded, and most people with the money-honey are willing to pay for impatience.
ありがとう, SK
5* Mats are getting in the range of around 2500 CR.
So it costs roughly 5500 CR to make a Star, meaning you have a range between -500 CR and 2000 CR profit since I've seen them going on the AH for 8.5K Remember to subtract 10%. Most people will sell off the AH for 6.5K CR. Assuming you sold it for that 6.5K CR, that's 1000 CR profit, which means each mineral is 40CR. Better than the arcade, of course, and there aren't as many mats to keep track of.
I personally am not sure that this would work. What's more common to the average new player, minerals that are scattered around every level, or shard that you might find as drops from enemies? Sure, they are some of the most common materials, but sometimes not as common.
I won't say anything more, just that if this happened we may hear quite a few complaint.
Please criticize me! I want to know what you think I was wrong about.
Shards are still used in forging right? With this shard prices will eventually skyrocket and will become a disadvantage in the long run.. Minerals collected are still evenly shared right? If so I think it is easier to get minerals than shards per run.
I was suggesting in a post ( http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/86474 ) to make the foods buyable with Energy via an NPC, so we only need to grind for crowns. Would also be advantageous for OOO.
@Silver
No, Shards are not used in Forging. Forging requires Fire Crystals, which are different.
Because this for using minerals for pet food screw us up with the ACHIEVEMENTS!
The minerals achievement is not as doable as now, and giving a "half pip" revive is no longer possible.
I think this idea is ok and it would be useful because Light, Dark and Red are the most common shards. I have 1049 light shards for crying out loud!