You might say 'protesting your ban', but no, I was rightfully banned for 2 days. But I still think its cruddy the way it works, and that it should be discussed.
The fact that I should "probably suck up to them" is evidence of this.
Ok, I told you guys this would happen
Thu, 08/22/2013 - 23:33
#52
Fri, 08/23/2013 - 00:28
#53
hush draggies. i creep in.
The both of ye two should be shipped together. I grant ye blessings. NOW KISS.
Therefore, I have no other discussion but this, I shall take my leave.
Fri, 08/23/2013 - 00:40
#54
The Truths don't provide any Answers
I find it difficult to tell what words will get me a warning and what won't, so I just generally avoid all of them. I only got one warning, but that's because I used a filtered non-swear (that other word for donkey... and backside).
Fri, 08/23/2013 - 07:03
#55
Forum Rules:
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/1413
If you are unsure what to consider offensive language, here is a list from the wiki: http://wiki.spiralknights.com/List_of_known_filtered_words
These are the words which are filtered or dropped in the game chat filter, and should likewise be filtered or not used at all on the forums. If you have a warning or suspension due to a forum violation, and you are not sure why, please use a support request to ask for details and further information. We will explain this to you so you can avoid that behavior in the future. That is the whole reason for the warning system.
You can all remove your foil hats. We don't have a hit list of people we want to forum ban. However, when we find people breaking the forum rules, we must take action. We don't like doing this for people who are overall good community citizens, but we have to enforce the rules evenly, regardless of the knight posting.
Also, if you see a forum post that is offensive or breaks the rules, please send in a complaint against the poster including a direct link to the post (click the # in the top right corner of the post). We will investigate these complaints and make appropriate edits and warnings.
@Terra-Necro Swearing in a foreign language is not acceptable filtering.
@Voza-Il The developers are not moderating the forums. The forums are moderated by the Game Masters and Community Manager (Eurydice).
Fri, 08/23/2013 - 07:14
#56
Aphrodite, why is it that one word for feces is an offending word but "crap" is not? They're synonyms.
Fri, 08/23/2013 - 07:44
#57
Well....You know what this means....
NO MORE KAT EVENT FOR YOU!
But I've been giving one warning before because I used the word A$_. The next letter is another S, I just used a Dollar sign to make it more clear. But on a serious note, you just gotta be careful with whatever you say because OOO are strict with this kind of thing. Even if it's not a real swear word...
/me finds it ridiculous!
Fri, 08/23/2013 - 07:45
#58
erm
these forums are very humble in their functionalities and i dont mind any of sk's policies or anything, except that 1 should not have to ask, what he did wrong
unless anybody could tell me a single downside at informing the users along with the warning o.O
there is no difference between good or bad ppl, everbody wants to know what they do wrong and nobody would want to approach the judge just for that
by not telling us what we do wrong, it feels like were wrong in our entirety
either that, or the author is
also, ive reported a person in these forums before and that was the last time. not because of right or wrong, but because i felt like i had to get personally involved just for..yea that..plus they didnt look at the entire thread and only changed the reported posters aggressive post
also in different cultures its not always easy to distinguish between what some1 might consider too offensive and what not
i never feel safe in sk not knowing, which things i get reported or warned for, but surprisingly i havent had any ban yet
/confetti
imo its not a big deal, just add the info to the warnings and finito~
Fri, 08/23/2013 - 11:18
#59
Well....You know what this means....
NO MORE KAT EVENT FOR YOU! (Well until after 6pm on 24th :P)
But I've been giving one warning before because I used the word A$_. The next letter is another S, I just used a Dollar sign to make it more clear. But on a serious note, you just gotta be careful with whatever you say because OOO are strict with this kind of thing. Even if it's not a real swear word...
/me finds it ridiculous!
EDIT: Sorry for Double somehow different times-post. :P I pressed edit on my first post and it must've duplicated...
Fri, 08/23/2013 - 08:37
#60
^
Sad but true, i really find ridiculous how "certain" player tends to insult everyone just because PVE, AA, or LD and such player dont get a warning from GM even if all the flamewar are in that thread while a small insult can lead you to a ban, i supposed GM or moderator forum job was to make clear, user friendly and keep the order in forum, but it seem OOO dont care if there a "player" insulting everyone even if he dont use "obvious" words to insult (even its seem they are fine with the "personification" of a GM post edit".
How sad :/
Fri, 08/23/2013 - 10:59
#61
@Aphrodite
And what about all the other cases of abuse that go unchecked? E.G. The "Mawashingmachine" account that certain members of the community have used to make fun of others with, or about half of what a certain LD player says? I'm really curious as to why foul language is a greater offense than just outright abusing people/flaming them.
(And the word that I used wasn't on the list you sent me, perhaps it could be added?)
Fri, 08/23/2013 - 11:30
#62
Crap is not a swear word!
I'm sorry, WHAT? It's the WORD that's matters. They're not going to filter "black person" just because one of its synonyms is a racial slur...
Fri, 08/23/2013 - 12:11
#63
@No-Thanks The warnings do
@No-Thanks The warnings do let the player know what he or she did wrong. Swearing, personal attacks, etc. Most people know which post we're referring to, but if someone needs clarification, we're happy to give the link and specific item which violated the rules. We give warnings so people recognize they did something wrong and can change their behavior and continue to enjoy the forums.
@Fehzor The word you used is a variation of a word that is filtered, and that spelling is a common way people use to bypass the chat filter.
I can't give details about a specific account, but as many people have shared, we do give warnings so people can change their behavior before we use a forum ban. These warnings aren't always obvious on the forums to other people but they are being given and noted in the account history.
There are several mentions of lockdown flaming and offensive behavior. If someone can send me some links, I'd like to make sure those posts are reviewed. You don't need to post them here, but you can use this page and it will be reviewed: https://www.spiralknights.com/support/#mail
Fri, 08/23/2013 - 13:50
#64
Haha, I just bumped the 'Remove AT from LD' thread from page 50.
Bound to be some hate on there.
Fri, 08/23/2013 - 13:58
#65
One plate of hate coming up!
Fri, 08/23/2013 - 14:39
#66
"Most people know which post we're referring to"
and how do you know that? how do you get a confirmation for that? how would you figure out, that people know for sure, what you're referring to?
and more importantly, why is it a problem to mention it along with the warning? the warning already looks like a excellent opportunity to mention, what exactly we shouldnt have written and its not like any little kids are going to see it
its perfectly okay to keep that policy, but, seeing somebody else have the same issue, i only want to mention, just how impractical this has been for me
Fri, 08/23/2013 - 14:43
#67
Don't worry Fehzor, you aren't the only lowlife on these forums...
Your right, I'm the only lowlife, how dare you insinuate anyone else on these forums are lowlives, how inconsiderate of you.
Fri, 08/23/2013 - 15:12
#68
Yay, i got a respone from a
Yay, i got a respone from a love puppy!& My life if complete <3
Also, aphhrodite....thats brings me back to Venemousbiohazard!!!! EPIF XDDDdDD
But srsly, i derp posted. Still doesn't excuse lousy updates. Imma thinking devs and mods need 2 communicate moar the suggestions and what they implement. Freefall tournament is a game where the creator, Freerangegames, actually plays the game to see bugs and other stuff. (Almost always someone epically failing or swearing anyways).
Maybe the devs should do the same?
Ermahgurd a reply from aphrodite!!! Allo dere
Yes I am dumb. F off forum flamer trolls
Fri, 08/23/2013 - 20:05
#69
@Aphrodite
Another thing- I very neatly placed a zero in the subject line of my post so as to get rid of the subject, but when whoever community moderator whatnot came by to change it away from using profanity, they did not replace the zero. This makes the subject line have a cut off part of the comment in it, and looks AWFUL and makes me look like I'm making the forums look trashy because of it. Could you guys be more courteous when berating the forum regulars for slipping up once every few thousand comments?
Also, you don't have to give me details about "that account" because I still see them here and I still see them posting their nonsense from time to time and every April Fools day I see you guys glorifying them. So no, I am fully aware that the account in question has not been dealt with. No info needed.
And I'm not going to go whistle blowing for you. What I want is for the support people to be able to actually read into the threads posted here-- that is, find the abusers, scammers and others... it really isn't that hard to find these kinds of things. If I'm going to get a 2 day ban for loosely using a foul word that I was unaware was actually bad, it would be nice if the far louder comments and threads were dealt with too... because I honestly don't think my terrible word is THAT bad compared to cyber bullying and other offenses that the support team put up with.
Here, I'll go show you what I mean:
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/70476
"Mawashimono" and "Mawashingmachine"
Mawashimono is a good sport about it, but Hollows points it out: http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/70476#comment-738536
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/77544#comment-679995
And then http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/77624
are both targeted against Mawashimono.
If I had to take a guess at who this is-
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/77506
We start to see a certain user/group of users that calls her Mawashingmachine! I don't have admin powers or anything, but if I did I'd certainly go check out their IPs and see if they were in fact the same set of people.
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/1628?page=49#comment-748361
and
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/1628?page=39#comment-679473
Fri, 08/23/2013 - 20:50
#70
@ Fehzor's latest
@ Fehzor's latest post
Fehzor, you have some really stiff shoulders, and probably have a cold heart to add to that. The Mawashingmachine incident has more to do with humor and comedy than cyber bullying. Even you yourself gave a similar comical attempt in Venomousbiohazard's thread: http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/87490 (just skip everything and look at fehzors posts)
"Also, you don't have to give me details about "that account" because I still see them here and I still see them posting their nonsense from time to time and every April Fools day I see you guys glorifying them. So no, I am fully aware that the account in question has not been dealt with. No info needed."
Yeah, the game, community, and devs are not the problem here. You're just too serious, and the only people that I've seen that are like you, with this serious attitude towards things are you and Mawashimono. You do know that majority of the community have this type of humor, right? I used to like Mawashimono; she seemed like a fun person, but when I tried holding a conversation with her in-game, she seemed cold, super serious, and had a "high ego" that made me think otherwise of her. I'm sure many of the community members now think differently of Mawashimono. I'm not trying to call her out as a jerk or a bad person, I'm just saying that people who have this serious personality about them, that have to be super detailed about things and demand to have things perfect for them, that just doesn't fit well with this community. SK's playerbase are full of fun-loving people who love random memes. No one is trying to be perfect; no one is trying to take things serious; we're all casual about the game and the forums.
Fehzor, if you were to become a community manager on these forums, I bet you would do one heck of an awesome job. Along with that, you would have constructed the "perfect" community that will appease to your desired playerbase. And along with that, I and many community members, would probably all abandon these threads, seeing as moderation is completely strict, we will fear the moderator, and we just simply find this place to be distasteful.
do you think that the devs and game masters that work in OOO happen to be like you? It's quite the opposite; they are fun, loving folks, the're nice and kind, they understand most of the community; it's probably not the exact community that they wanted for Spiral Knights, but they've learned to cope with us, and we're all trying to get along with each other.
I'm sorry to say this, Fehzor, but I think you are letting your ego on these forums getting to you. It's great that you helped the community, but to be fair, you are not a moderator of these forums, and the people who should decide how to handle the discussions and topics on these threads are the Game Masters and Community Managers.
Eurydice knows what she's doing, so let her do her job. We haven't seen any posts from her lately, but she's still one of our favorite GMs. (of course we love all of the OOOs staff, even NJthug, whoever you may be, Cherub)
Sat, 08/24/2013 - 00:03
#71
D:
But we love you Fehzor~!
Sat, 08/24/2013 - 01:35
#72
I often put a "0" in the
I often put a "0" in the subject box cuz I can't think of a good subject line. Anyway...
@Fehzor - Thank you, Fehzor, for trying to defend me (You, too, Hollows). The Game Masters get on profanity and all its variations pretty quickly but are distressingly lax about enforcing their own harassment policies. I really appreciate your effort though, and I'm rather amazed by your referencing skills. I had forgotten or never read half those things. I tend to forget unimportant trivial matters like that rather quickly.
I've received a few warnings myself in the over 2 years I've been playing, and I politely asked some follow-up questions and received super responses from the Game Masters. And any thread that prompts a Game Master to come in explain their policies and thought processes more fully is a very successful thread, so kudos to you for that. And as a bonus, they didn't graveyard and lock it.
@ Bushido-Brownies - You tried talking with me ingame? Really? Is this your character's name cuz I have no recollection of that. (Like I said tho, my memory's not that great, especially when it involves names.) People often approach me in-game to talk about my "shiny" outfit or my fashion appreciation thread or whatever, even from guilds that I've been critical of in the past. I always try to respond to people who greet me and exchange pleasantries with them, although I can be a bit shy around strangers. Also, as Guild Master of a large guild, I'm often just distracted. (For example, I may be following guild chat, officer chat, trade chat, one or 2 people private-messaging me, and someone standing next to me in haven trying to have a conversation.) No doubt most of all of us who play this game are fairly fun people like yourself, but my age and career no doubt also make me look more serious than most of the player base. Anyway, better luck next time, if there is one.
Sat, 08/24/2013 - 01:55
#73
I still wanna know why crap isn't a no-no word :/
I mean, they are interchangeable.
Sat, 08/24/2013 - 02:23
#74
@Mawashimono
There are trolls that do go overboard, and I myself have been part of that group that's crossed the line, in the past.
I agree with the harassment problems. The guys from EoS should've stopped once they knew that you're not the type of person to talk in that matter, and that type of behavior wasn't in your interests, I can agree on that. They shouldn't have attacked you in a group like that, but you shouldn't had said what you did on their guild recruitment thread, which could have all been avoided if you hadn't made that post.
Also, I'd like to take back what I said on my previous post on this thread. I don't really know you well enough to assume what I said, so I do apologize for that. I've talked to you before in-game, but because of who I was on my other account (Bushido is an alternate), because of my behavior on the forums from my other account, I take it that you did not like me, and so you would ignore my greetings towards you whenever I would see you in Haven. And that's totally fine, we're all free to choose who we like and who we dislike. I'm just taking those incident personally, and what I've said were from those bias feelings and not from actually knowing you well, so I do take back what I have said on my previous post about you. It's usually a different story when I met other forumers, and they didn't seem to have much problems with who I was on the forums. I was shocked when Dirt befriended me on Steam. He really hated my guts on SK.
As for Fehzor, I'm just madly in love with him.. but he's always ignoring me when I open up my heart to him... so I take back what I said about Fehzor, too. Those may also just be my bias feelings towards the guy. (i'm not smart enough for fehzor
Sat, 08/24/2013 - 05:09
#75
And as for Hollows, I
And as for Hollows, I personally don't know what's up with that girl. She's a real **** with me on steam; always bad mouthing me and making me feel as if I'm ***. And I was totally not expecting for her to call out my name on these forums, which violated the ToS, yet she has the nerve to tell people not to break forum rules? She said my entire freaking name; My first name, my MIDDLE INITIALS, and my bloody last name? How the heck does she even remember my last name? I didn't even know that she new what my real name was. Do you think that I am going to take the words of a hypocrite like her? It's not about breaking the forums rules, she just personally does not like people who behave that way.
But actually I don't know if I'm violating forum rules, too. I know that I have my main account banned, and once that account is banned, there are little chances of getting it revoked. I couldn't find anything about having another account, a different one, and using it on here, again. Dunno if the ban applies to the person or to the account, but if it's to the person, I'll withdraw Bushido from the forums (i dont really want to tho, forums are too addictive for me; it's torturess how they let me read stuff but not reply); I only got on another account on here because I thought that it would be fine and that the ban applies to the account itself an not the person. But i'll withdraw and cease forum activity if it's otherwise . I like the staff here for this game; their customer support is fast and friendly, and I have checked out many games and companies, and Ive experienced many different support systems for them. Three Rings is by far the best one ive experienced, and i actually feel that they aren't trying to be fake or cheesy with me, or to put up an appearance just to please the customers, i think they're really showing their true colors when you talk to them. that's why i dont see a reason to think otherwise of the decisions that they make, and being under the rule of this sincere company, i actually want to follow their regulations. but i cant help but be mischievous, so sorry for that its a habit
Sat, 08/24/2013 - 05:22
#76
whoa this is getting personal
just a reminder of what this thread was about..."the warning doesn't tell me where it was, or anything."
Sat, 08/24/2013 - 07:50
#77
I wish that
When they give you a warning, they should also detail as to why you've received the warning. It would be quite helpful to know what you did wrong and correct it.
Sat, 08/24/2013 - 08:54
#78
@Venomousbiohazard
You get to know what you did wrong, just not when or where.
Sat, 08/24/2013 - 09:47
#79
It's just like real life!
You've got an over-worked, over-burdened employee who has subsisted on a diet of mushrooms and coffee for the last 72 hours and just wants to collapse into a coma, so he just cuts a corner off on the last order - who's going to notice right? He's (technically) done his job, no-one can complain. But then this [redacted] comes in complaining about the cut corner and he has to explain to the smug, self-righteous [redacted] about how he is in the right and how the customer isn't - all whilst speaking in a cordial tone through which you can just feel the self-restraint cracking from the weight of holding back their urge to reach out though the internet/phone/telecommunications device and punch the customer right in the middle of his bloody face.
But in all seriousness, knowing the exact post from which we have violated the rules would be nice. Maybe even add a hyperlink to said post so that we may recognize what we have said. And maybe even a copy of what we posted before it got 'edited' - just in case we forgot what we wrote. But of course; all that would require effort. Effort which could be better spent on other things like
Sat, 08/24/2013 - 10:03
#80
You are experiencing a PICNIC ERROR!
Well part of it is that some people don't even want to know and just storm off somewhere. If you tried telling them they would just get more angry. Better people want to right their wrong, so it's for them who pursue the issue and ask more about it.
Sat, 08/24/2013 - 10:19
#81
@Autofire
I'm pretty sure that I wanted to know what exactly I'd said when I did say it lol.
@No Thanks
And no, this thread is about as stated in the OP, the fact that I have a dirty mouth and am going to get banned permanently for what I see as just using the forums for an extended amount of time while the support staff don't actually read into/solve the legitimate issues that arise.
Sat, 08/24/2013 - 11:16
#82
oh
well then i guess im lucky not to have that issue
i can adapt to most rules, if they are explained to me properly, or ignore/quit, if they sound too unreasonable
in any case the vague warning will remain an annoyance for every rule breaker (:
Sat, 08/24/2013 - 11:36
#83
Bushido: You're the one who
Bushido: You're the one who made an SK character with your "entire freaking name." Maybe that knight no longer exists, but that's the name I know you by. Not Kitty, not Marz, not Bushido, not anything but Hector D. Uribe. As for steam, that isn't relevant to SK forums but I certainly think you are over exaggerating. Also, I don't recall where I called you out or why. Not saying that I didn't, just saying I'm not recalling the incident.
Also, the more you call me out the more I will call you out. I can be one of those "serious" types, so lay off with any joking around.
Sat, 08/24/2013 - 11:53
#84
@autofire
@Autofire that "you are experiencing a PICNIC ERROR!" is getting old
Sat, 08/24/2013 - 14:33
#85
oh look it's this thing happening all over again
brings me back to my 2012 days
Sat, 08/24/2013 - 14:41
#86
/reply Aureate
Sorry to go off topic, but what happened in your 2012 days? I imagine people went after each other's throats with Toothpicks and Nitronomes instead of Frosty Flak Jackets and Divine Cat Tails.
Sat, 08/24/2013 - 21:54
#87
RIP Space Jellies (the guild that never came to pass :/)
uhh... uhh... <3 Qwez
I forgot what I was going to say... topic shifted a couple times somewhere in the middle of the thread and I so tired :(
Hi?
I was really mean to this forums guy asking a question of me here and on reflection I feel bad that I made fun of his grammarz, and I was expecting some retaliation by someone, something...
nothing...
Seems to me that the mods just peruse with a filter and use the computer to do stuffs. I wish the mods moderated the computer works... I don't really know what I'm saying at the moment... I'm burned out from a lack of interesting games to play... Warframe is searing my eyes with its graphics optimisation... Waffles. Bacon. Banananananananas.
Sun, 08/25/2013 - 02:01
#88
@Gravelord
I posted something that was apparently offensive enough on forums to warrant an in-game ban. There are multiple variations of various words that are filtered or unfiltered, many of which are not considered offensive enough to warrant a ban, and others of which can be used in relatively innocuous and inoffensive context yet still result in said ban.
I have no idea why you would go after someone's throat with a Cat Tail. That seems rather backwards.
Sun, 08/25/2013 - 02:30
#89
/reply Aureate
Good grief. Well, there's a good enough reason to not post in the forums.
And you could probably strangle someone with a cat tail, which seems easier to do than with a Flak Jacket. Or Nitro, for that matter.
Yes, I know, Hexzyle. Doesn't mean I'm not invisible elsewhere.
Fehzor, I only see this thread as something they won't like. Its why I suggested you graveyard it and start sucking up to them.