Every sword style has a normal damage option. With the slow swords, you have shadow and elemental options (DA/GF). With the medium swords, it's the same (Shadow/Elemental brandishes). With the fast swords, you only have piercing. Sure, there's FoV, but a weapon that can set you on fire with every use seems like more of a cursed weapon to me. At with with GF, it only happens with the charge. In any event, I wouldn't mind a fast shadow weapon (probably cutter line would make sense), or maybe turn DVS into a shadow weapon.
minor sword rebalance
Wed, 09/04/2013 - 05:12
Wed, 09/04/2013 - 06:19
#2
FoV is a slow weapon so idk what you were trying to say there. And GF can curse on second hit.
Wed, 09/04/2013 - 11:30
#3
I've never used FOV, but it
I've never used FOV, but it looks like a cutter so I assumed. This only furthers my point then. Fast weapons have only one non-normal type. A shadow cutter would be cool.
Edit: or, better yet, create Winbillion, make it a shadow weapon, and solve two problems at once.
Wed, 09/04/2013 - 11:35
#4
Well, FoV looks like a cutter, hits like a brandish but is as slow as a DA.
That's why we have a wiiki
Wed, 09/04/2013 - 12:55
#5
Hmm...
I actually had the thought of a shadow-damage Cutter alchemy path before, as I saw the the Striker itself had the potential to have a unique variety of alchemy pathways. I could work with the Dread Venom Striker being a shadow weapon, as it'll match up quite well with the Biohazard, if that were to happen.
However, the two weapons I thought of were The Bedeviled Striker (4-star) and the Murderous Hexed Stalker (5-star). (These names are rather cheesy, so maybe you guys can come up with better ones.)
- Each blade deals only shadow-based damage, inflicting an amount that's a little less than their normal counterparts.
- Just as the Vile Striker/Dread Venom Striker have a slight chance to cause strong poison... I would say that the two blades above could have a slight chance of causing a strong curse. Of course, the length of the curse will be far lesser than that of which the Faust/Gran Faust inflicts.
As far as I have seen, there is only one weapon path that I know can inflict curses on enemies, and that's the Faust/Gran Faust. It would be rather interesting to see weapons that inflict status conditions that are uncommon to other weapons.
As for the Fang of Vog, I haven't tried it out yet, as I've only defeated Vanaduke a few times. However, with the way I've seen others use it, I would honestly say it would be better suited to being an elemental damage-only 5-star Cutter sword, and it can have a fair chance of causing strong fire with the normal hits, but the player can still have the chance to ignite themself during each of the attacks. The charge attack will have a much higher percentage of being able to cause self-fire, just as the original one can. To me, the FoV just seems better to be a Cutter-based weapon, rather than a funky-styled broadsword.
Wed, 09/04/2013 - 13:21
#6
cyber, you cannot compare poison to curse. curse is a very powerful status, and to have a chance to infilict it you have to put yourself into a risk, either getting hit or reciving curse. I would agree that we need somethign unique, but not strong curse, medium or maybe even weak.
as for the FoV, I prefer it that way. it casts it apart from any other sword, and it's fine.
Also forgot to post this.
Wed, 09/04/2013 - 14:08
#7
fire or stun
It would be better if the shadow cutter did either stun or fire.
Why either of those? Stun works well with the circle'n slash attack style of cutters and fire pairs well with the high hit rate, low damage side of the weapon.
Wed, 09/04/2013 - 23:28
#8
(Damn Topic Heading)
If we are going to make one branch of the cutter line specialised we should do it with the other, because honestly a piercing weapon with a beast bonus makes more sense than a poisonous shadow sword (even though they do both make quite good sense).
How about we:
Convert WHB into half normal half pierce, keeping it's beast damage bonus.
Convert DVS into half normal half shadow, keeping it's poison.
Buff their damage output by a considerable amount so that the damage:danger ratio makes sense.
Also, since FoV is only used if you don't have an elemental brandish/you are using the charge attack/you want to be a hipster (due to the swings being slower AND weaker than a brandish), and it has the same model as the cutter line, we turn it into an elemental cutter but keep it's charge attack.
Probably has been suggested before but eh.
@Waffleconecake
Actually, poison on a shadow weapon makes MORE sense than stun or fire because not only is it thematic (well, fire may also be thematic), but cutters look like the tool for an assassin, so cutting off healing would be great. Also note that one of the two healing mobs of this game is weak to shadow and one of the main reason why a lot of people like venom veiler for arenas.
~Ethanol
Thu, 09/05/2013 - 03:58
#9
1 waffle doesn't want to make sense in his weapon suggestions, he wants a shadow fire weapon of any kind because we don't have one.
2 if DVS's damage gets splitted, I'll throw it in the garbage. if you make it more situational than it already is, it's not a buff. all right it needs more damage, but not split damage.
Thu, 09/05/2013 - 14:43
#10
+1, but need more details if we want OOO's attention
I think there needs to be a shadow & elemental flourish-like weapon.
The brandishes and calibur line all have the same attack style but different damage types. The Sealed Sword/troika line also has the same attack style and different damage types.
The flourish and barb line have the same attack style but all are pierce...
All cutters style weapons deal normal, but I think making them anything else would be kind of OP in PvE. Their quick strikes with attack bonus against a certain type of monster would wreck.
Thu, 09/05/2013 - 16:47
#11
I dislike you accusing me of not making "sense"
Thunder why does a status and damage pairing need to "make seance"?
We have guns that shoot stunning bullets AND deal piercing damage. How would something that peirces be able to aply enough blunt force to stun? I understand stun can be caused by other means: flashing lights, confusion, chemicals, and "magic" aka dark forces shenanigans.
Also thunder I do try to make sence in my weapon suggestions.
"A dark gun forged with the fires of torment out of the bones of infernal undead creatures that can now damn those it aims upon with the same demonic fires that forged it."
"A gun that was made out of a modifyed devilite cleaning tool. This strange gun fires pressurised air that peirces the gaps in the targets armor allowing the small storms it produces the ability to hit the enemy direclty. It can be modifyed to use the exhast fumes with the fired shots allowing the oder to sicken the victums or be made to be much more intense with the torrents of air it fires causing the friction of the high speed compressed air to be much higher making it possible for those hit to catch fire."
Thu, 09/05/2013 - 17:38
#12
Well...
The striker/FoV looking weapon that those respawning ghosts have could be used... I always thought of the striker as a shadow weapon.
Fri, 09/06/2013 - 04:31
#13
Thunder why does a status and damage pairing need to "make seance"?
this is why I told you don't want to make sense: you don't need it. as you said, we can make all the sense in the world with some lore, so making sense it's not needed. like the magnus reference you made.
Fri, 09/06/2013 - 19:35
#14
Yay.
A suggestion thread toward buffing cutters!
Here's my suggestion in thread form from a while back. I probably won't come back to this game until they fix this.
DVS needs to stay normal so it can be used everywhere. it's one of it's major strenghts. in fact, another branch of the cutter series into shadow wouldn't be so bad.