Oh don't get me wrong Bopp, I do not dislike it when other people pick at my thread, I embrace it with open arms. I have been playing this game for many years (as I assume you have) and I am happy to chew up and spit out the trolls who try to discredit good information with factually-lacking rants about things they don't agree with.
I keep a full bag of troll food, feeding the trolls is is what i thrive on :D
My only problem is that your title says Equipment Sets when it's really just Equipment Set: Chaos + Variations. It makes it sound like you are providing a lot more guidance than you actually are.
As Bopp touched upon, you need to figure out who your audience is. A beginner that doesn't know what CTR stands for is not going to be able to afford 2 trinket slots, 2 weapon slots, and a level 100 pet perk. By the time someone is at that level, they can do whatever they want with whatever gear they want. The reason why someone's reading your guide is because he needs to figure out how he can work his way up to Tier 3 effectively. If Chaos is his first 5 star set, then not only is he going to struggle through all of Tier 2 and 3, but when he finally gets his Chaos set he'll die instantly from the first shadow fire he touches in FSC without heart trinkets.
When I was a beginner (which wasn't very long ago), all I cared about was what can I get as soon as possible to make it through 90% of the clockworks and/or farm for money quickly. (Sorry for all the underused-gear lovers, it's annoyingly tedious to grind through Tier 2 with trash weapons) Suggesting that I get Chaos when I can only fight Jelly King means I need to fight him using an Elemental Hood/Cloak, Nightblade and Super Blaster (or Needle Shot?)
That's the context of someone reading the guide, and they need to understand how things work in tier 3 while they're working through tier 2. They don't know why everyone keeps recommending Blitz Needle when Needle Shot seems to be full of so many disadvantages, they tried the stupid 3 star alchemers and feel they suck, and only swords at that level seem to keep pace with farming for money and materials efficiently. Dusker Cap and Coat gave +2 sword bonuses and did pretty well in Tier 2, and their 5 star versions only got better.
What I'd like to see:
Because otherwise it doesn't really make any sense. On one hand you explain things in the context of audience is a beginner, but at the same time the recommendations only apply to T3 veterans who have a lot of resources. Anyone who is even slightly familiar with what Chaos does won't really need a guide to explain how to use it, and Chaos is actually a very very difficult set to use as a first 5-star set, considering the difficulty of farming for the pieces to get there. This would literally require going through all missions up until 8-2 with a Miracle Hood/Miracle Cloak at best, severely underperforming any other offensive set out there in all of early Tier 3.
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If you really wanted to max certain things you don't need much of a guide, just a list of sets that do the job:
Main Swords - popular sidearms: Polaris, AP/Sentenza, Blitz Needle, Mist bombs, Status Alchemer, Valiance
1. DMG +6, CTR +6, ASI +4-6 (brandish+non-charge sword usage)
Chaos / Chaos / BTS ; ASI med UVs on swords or better, +6 HP trinket, +2 Sword ASI trinket, +1-2 Sword ASI pet perk
2. DMG +6, CTR +4-6 (brandish or DA charge primary)
Chaos / Skolver / BTS ; CTR low-med UV on swords, +12 HP trinkets, +1-2 Sword ASI or MSI
3. DMG +6, ASI +5-6 (flourish, DA/GF, no charge swords basically)
Skolver / Skolver / BTS ; ASI med UVs on swords, +6 HP trinket, +2 Sword ASI trinket, +1-2 Sword ASI pet perk
4. DMG+5, ASI+5 (ultra dmg/ASI guns/swords with +12 hp)
Black Kat Cowl / Skolver / Swiftstrike ; ASI med UVs on swords or better, ASI med UVs on guns or better, +12 HP trinket, +1-2 Gun DMG perk
etc etc. You get the idea.
If i was factually lacking in any part of my questions, please point me to them.
@Demonicsothe
I think he was poking at me because I poked at him.
And hey, that's called a debate and if he's cool with it then so am I.
A) We're not trolls, we just don't like the fact that people keep trying to preach that Chaos is the one and only worthwhile armor, when other setups are just as good.
B) I've yet to see anyone "bash" this guide. What you're getting is called "feedback."
@Battlegrinder I never said you were all trolls, but this post, like most forum posts, has at least 1 troll under the bridge (which is to be expected). If you actually read my guide, you would have seen that in no place do I preach that Chaos is the one and only worthwhile armor. I actually state outright that there are other sets that will work just fine for people, however since it a guide about what sets that I recommend, I do give my own opinion.
The effort for the guide is there, and I can respect that...But these people do have a good point. Your Title says what SETS (implies multiple) you recommend, however, you just recommend Chaos for everything (sword, gun, and bomb). There are plenty of sets that you can use, but you only recommend Chaos. While I do understand that its your opinion, if you want to make a successful and well received guide, you should give multiple options for people reading and try to be unbiased. If you even include some numbers (or in this case what the bonus come out to, which you did), you can let people decide for themselves which set would be best for them.
If you want to go really in depth, you can make different sets for different play styles and UVs. For instance; A gunner could like AP and Sentenza better then the Alchemer line, so you want to recommend a set that gives more ASI then CTR, while maintaining a high damage bonus. And if they like Alchemers, they would want a balance of CTR to Damage as apposed to ASI.
Just some fruit for thought I suppose :P
Thanks for the constructive feedback Ndognine. I actually have been thinking about adding more sets other than chaos, for all the chaos haters lol
*Guide now updated with additional sets other than Chaos*
The guide is looking a lot better now, good job. One thing I might recommend is for the swordsman is the divine veil instead of the skolver cap. While you will be losing out on 2+ Sword DMG you will gain a lot more defence and the set becomes a lot more general use. I know the guide is going for maximum power but a little extra defence goes a longs way (even more with swords as you are in closer range of foes).
I like how in the notes you also mention the other gear sets so you dont limit yourself to a single specialized set. That is a nice way to show people that that set is not the only path they can take.
Thanks Wolfe, glad that you like the changes that I made. I hope that other people will as well
:)
Discussion died, you shouldn't bump this. If you feel like it would be relevant to someone, you could link them here when they ask like Bopp does with his swords guide.
thanks for the bump krakob <3
You do realise people who do like you are just making the forums a worse place, right? If everyone who had ever posted anything simmilar to this bumped like you do, the forum would be flooded with pointless bumps and half of all first pages would be old guides that everybody who might read would already have read and no one would have anything to add to them. Your content isn't more important than the content of others so please just stop it.
@Krakob "You do realise people who do like you are just making the forums a worse place, right?"
First of all, on behalf of myself and people who do like me, you can kiss our perfectly formed buttocks.
Second of all, *Gives Krokob some troll food* Now be gone you smelly beast.
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P.S. Thanks for the bump <3
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At the risk of this sounding like a personal attack...
Stop disregarding Krakob just because you dont like what he has to say. Mindlessly bumping this thread does nothing but piss off those who've already read it. So on behalf of all those who have read your guide, and dont wish to read it again: Please stop bumping this thread!
I will disregard anyone who says that my friends and followers are making the forums a worse place. If you don't want to read my forum node then how about you just don't click on it... just a suggestion
Then bump your guide whenever you add to it, instead of bumping it whenever you want attention. That way, your fans don't end up rereading the same thing and wasting their time... Just a suggestion.
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Wait a sec you think I'm mad at your friends and followers? How'd you get that into your head? I'm mad that this thread constantly keeps reappearing. Despite NOTHING being changed.
While we're on the subject of bumping, would you mind removing this thread's shadow copy? It's bad enough that it keeps popping back up here, having it do the same in general discussion is even worse.
Trae i was referring to the comment made by Krakob
I don't know your friends and followers. You might want to consider what Battlegrinder said, too. Three places at once as it looks now. Imagine if everyone who had ever posted a topic with their videos or a guide would do that. It would be so cluttered I'd punch myself in the face and hope for a Ragequit VH UV.
If you do not know my friends and followers then I have no idea why you would ever say, and I quote:
"People who do like you are just making the forums a worse place"
The only bumping being done in my forum is you guys posting here and me responding to you.
If only you did punch yourself in the face and hope for Ragequit VH UV..... (Was that mean? Hmm not sure. Probably... No, Possibly.. Yea possibly..)
*Hands Krakob some more troll food*
And thanks again for the bump <3
That's not an insult to your friends and followers... that's an insult to people who keep bumping their threads.
And don't make that aloof "Oh I'm not doing ANYTHING wrong! I haven't been continuously bumping my own thread! You are by saying that I've been bumping my own thread" argument. We know you've been doing it, and you should know you yourself has been doing it. Stop trying to feel smugly superior to everyone who's criticizing you.
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*Facepalm of epic proportions*
9/23 - Another bump? Seriously?
9/24 - Yet another bump! No wait! Two bumps in the same day!
9/26 - Once again, this thread refuses to die...
You're only fooling yourself if you think you're not bumping. I thought we could keep narcissism limited to The Coliseum...
Shout-out to my biggest fanboys Traevelliath and Krakob:
Thank you guys so much for your continuous support and free bumps! Without you my forum would be all the way down on page 1337. Your persistence to continually provide me with free bumps in the form of accusing me of bumping my own thread is both flattering and hilarious! It is an extreme honor that you both are compelled to check my forum topic every 15 minutes. I am truly blessed to have you both in my life and I will keep you in my prayers, as I am no doubt in yours.
Best of luck to both of you with your trolling. I love you guys <3
<3 Lord-Patches <3
Seerusly, stop bumping this. If you feel the guide is that useful, do what Bopp does and put it on the wiki, and post a link to it whenever someone asked about armor. But keep bumping and you could get in trouble (its against the forum rules, fyi).
Hey guys,
I have been told many, many times by people in game that they found my guide here in the forums and that it helped them immensely. I am not going to stop posting in my own thread just because a few vocal forum posters don't want to see my guide on page 1. Like I have said before, if you do not want to read my guide then just don't click on this forum node. There is no one making you.
To all of my friends and supporters, thank you and see you in game.
No. The problem is that you find your content to be more important than the content of others. That's pretty rude.
I found your guide useful, at first. Now it is a annoyance every time I come to the arsenal and see your thread amongst all the rest of the new threads. We get that you want people to see your guide but if we would we would look for it. Having it shoved in our faces every day is not what we want and it is starting to turn your "friends and supporters" against you. If you want to be helpful post a link to your guide when people have questions about armour (like bopp does with swords), bumping your thread only makes people angry.
As Krakob has said you are putting yourself before others and that comes across as very rude. You wont make any "friends and supporters" this way.
Hey guys, I have just given my guide a huge graphical overhaul. There are now many pictures, for your viewing pleasure. Enjoy!
Hello Everyone,
I have recorded a new Bombs-Only Elite Jelly King Run video and added that to the bomb section. If you are a bomber or are interested in becoming one feel free to check it out.
guide updated to include the new Obsidian weapons :)
Soooo. I skimmed the guide and you basically just said scrub everything and get chaos. *tableflip out of window*
The guide is ok I suppose. Would be awesome if there were more variety in the game itself. If they take away the CTR or the DMG med, or made both chaos pieces have low it'd still be legit gear... Buff the Dragon Scale Mail or something!
That being said, every time I see the OP make a thread on the forums it reminds me of a repetative car insurance commercial I can't seem to avoide. I know it works for product placement, but I'm not sure the same tactic is good for a relatively small game like SK bro. Props for trying I suppose.
I think you are missing something there patch... where is the love for scenario armors? I mean, chaos and other weapon performance enhancing gears are good and all, but how could you forget about the senario armors? They buff your damage output against specific monster types immensely. by wearing full valkyrie and having excorsier II (fiend bonus: medium) on my spite. I can deal up to 310 damage per charged blitz shot (in T3), effectively putting the Flourishes to shame.
So, maybe for the next update, you should look into the scenario armors a bit. Give players some more viable equipement combination, coz noone should be able to play through the whole game using only one type of weapon. SK was never meant to be played that way. Hope all this makes sence.
Some example for gears that will max out your damage output against certain type of enemies.
Fiend fighter: full valkyrie + blitz + CoA or Dread skelly + FF. (Excorsier II)
Fire fiend fighter: divine veil+armor of the fallen + blitz + CoA or Dread skelly + FF. (Excorsier II)
Slime slayer: full virulisk set + archeron + sentenza +aegis/BTS (Liquidfier II)
P.S. Trolls are gonna troll, bumpers are gonna bump. Rain falls, wind blows, people taking crap on each other. Everything is as it should be... ^_^
@Midnight-DJ
Hi Midnight. I can tell that you do not understand how damage bonus works so I will clearify for you and anyone else who may not know. If you have damage Maximum from gear combinations that I describe in my guide then your damage bonus is Maximum against every type of monster.
Example 1:
If you use Chaos Set + Barbarous Thorn Shield your sword damage is Maximum against everything (fiends, beasts, constructs, etc..). If you add on +beast damage medium as a pet perk it will do nothing since you already have Maximum damage bonus vs beasts.
Example 2:
If you use Chaos Set with nothing else that gives bonuses you will have a damage bonus of Very High with your swords. If you add on +beast damage medium as a pet perk your damage vs beasts will increase to Maximum (since it was not already at the cap and thus could be increased further).
Umm, a very late reply but oh well. Chaos is good, but would it really kill you to look for an alternatives? I know Trav, krakob and Hex have a bone to pick with you, but there are more than one way of maxizing your power against monsters in the game. And since Chaos only offer elemental defense, doesn't that in theory chaos only defend against 2 types of monster in the game (gremlin/construct)? Maybe I am being overly cautious but defense does make a difference in T3 and beyond.
"you need to dodge yo!"
With one bar latency, a knight like me sometimes just have to man up and take an unblockable hit (hit registered even after I raised my shield, >:/)
"Get UVs on your chaos if you hate shock then!"
Getting UVs is a money burning quest and 3 UV roll is completely impractical for first time players, I got 500K in the bank, I don't wanna spend them all at once.
"Lol, no one cares about status, all you need is YOLOSWAG!"
No, statuses are annoying, in missions like GitM, C42 and HoI you are almost guaranteed to be burned, shocked, poisoned and frozen, wearing chaos down in those mission is just asking for troubles, seriously, you get about 10 seconds of shock and about 12 seconds of poison and fire while wearing chaos. Maybe some of the scenario gears will help out. Divine set and Dragon scale armor both have some very good applications in GitM and C42, just wear of piece of it makes a whole lot of difference. You clearly said that it is "Equipement setS" that maximise your power, then my question is, where are these scenario armors at in your guide? They do maximize your power to SURVIVE in some of the situations, so why aren't they mentioned?
I own all these sets in my arsenal and I don't regret choosing them over chaos, ever:
Valkyrie set - VH fiend
Chromalisk sets (except for arcane) - VH slime
Dragon scale set - VH beast awesome in C42
Divine set - Med fiend max shock/curse/fire good in both GitM and UFSC
While yes chaos has the most offensive bonuses, could we try to keep noobs away from becoming chaos clones?
There are specialized sets for a reason, the guide would be useless if all it has is chaos, which it practically is; the other sets seem just afterthoughts rather than advice. Explore different stats, maximizing power, but not being defensively weak.
Try looking at the actual stand alone stats of armor pieces and discuss what you can combo, BESIDES CHAOS!
Let's compare this thread to Darkbrady's "Highlander Loadout" thread. Your thread gives advice on the most powerful, popular items in the game. Darkbrady discusses unpopular weapons and gives thoughtful, nuanced arguments for how they work together.
Is Darkbrady's loadout as "powerful" as your load out? Under most definitions of "powerful", probably not. Therefore, new and intermediate players should learn about your loadout, before they learn about his. But experienced players, who have read about Chaos and brandishes 100 times, probably find your thread tedious and simplistic, and Darkbrady's thread novel and interesting. So they go out of their way to pick at your thread.
By the way, my own sword guide suffers from the same issue: It's all basic advice for new and intermediate players, that experienced players know all too well. This really drives home the key problem of writing anything anywhere: Know your audience. (And don't be surprised when people outside your audience don't see much value in what you've written.)