A lot of this can be fixed by not allowing chat.. or at least just allowing selective chat during matches (just team chat). This has been suggested multiple times. I just had the chat box clutter up so much in a polaris game that the bottom left of my screen was near impossible to dodge.

<3 Weedalot.

If this is about the gvg match vs my guild, when you rage quit and three of the remaining players were shiver locked, then we're sorry.

I can only speak for my self.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/gtfo.gif

I want you to have this, dear washingthing.
Cherish it, and remember it every time you try to post here again.

This is an example of sampling bias--most people who post on the PVP forums do so to trash talk or brag, but that isn't representative of every ld player at all. I would say most of the strongest ld players don't post at all, and rarely trash talk in game.

My favorite part of lockdown is trying to win the game against players who completely outclass me. Either superior in equipment or internet connection, or both. Because you don't really need to be the best at winning fights in order to win the game.

Have faith in the Lockdown community--it is easily a game that can be broken by having an entire team of Polaris users to hold off choke points and keeping enemies away (a la hadoken turtling style), it's a good thing when I say I rarely see more than 1-2 Polaris users per game. And I'm sure it's not because the other players can't afford to make one.

What do you mean KrAAkob?

It isn't even an insult but if you want to deem it one that's fine.
Washingmachine's whining on this community means she gets a special place in my heart where I do insult people.
No high road for her.

too long didn't read
I only read "you're too afraid to do it IRL"

yeah, sure. Tell these kids to come visit me in Canada. then, i can spit in their faces, and they can leave.

pretty much everyone in this thread

I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around why anyone is taking this seriously.

@Redblades

What's the address?

^
Let's visit redblAAdes and break his legs :D

While I understand the sentiment behind this, I will disagree. As a whole, Lockdown can be a lot of fun. Sure, it's unbalanced, but you can still have fun using less optimal weapons with a fun style (ie Callahan charges). As for the ragers/haters, I put them on ignore.
I try to avoid the 21/Jemp war, as I personally have no issue with either guild, and I get along with the majority of them. Hell, I like seeing Darkcub in my matches, because homeboy cracks me up. He's a funny guy...

@redblades

You make me (a proud canadian) sad with your less than polite attitude. Sorry to say it, eh?

But seriously, where in Canada are you? I'm in Ottawa, forever searching for other Ottawa players (aside from my brother).

edit: sniped by Doctorspacebar

editedit: Doctorspacebar, have I told you lately that I love you, and your posts? Now that I know you Callahan and Nitro, I feel like we are almost family. I swear, I'm going to find something with a kick arse UV on it, and send it to you for being awesome.

I wanna hug Mawa too ;_;

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Ouch. No. SK is not a MOBA and is not intended to. SK is an action RPG and that should not be changed. If SK were a MOBA, there would be nothing unique about it. As it looks now, SK is one of extremely few MMORPGs with focus on actual action. That should remain the case.

LD is not actually anything like a MOBA at all. Yes, it is technically a MOBA, but so is CoD, so is Starcraft, so is freaking Street Fighter. Virtually all multiplayer PvP games are MOBAs. So if we ignore that, LD is not a MOBA like DotA or LoL.

LD has none of the elements of a traditional MOBA. No activate-able abilities, no character leveling, no creep spawns, no towers, no item shop... nothing. LD is the combat system of SK paired with the traditional domination gametype from various games like Battlefield or LoL's Dominion. If you had to give it a genre, it would be arena combat ala Quake or Unreal Tournament.

...given that, LD isolated from SK and expanded would give freedom to rebalance things for PvP, but it would be too simple a game to market on its own and maintain a sustained playerbase in my opinion.

How about you actually think, before you make a thread. You say that all the threads being made pollute our community, but your no better. You are just attracting more people who will insult and attack you. Graveyard this thread now. You most likely dont even like the game, because you aren't good at it. You are not going to change anything. Believe it or not, lockdown is what keeps the game together. All i see is, I suck at lockdown so I dont like this game, and I am going to trash it. Much like CoD and Halo, no one really gives a hoot about the story, they just like the pvp. Just like this game. Pve is really repetitive, and gets boring, while lockdown is actualy kinda fun. Just leave us alone. Shut up and eat a cookie. Everything will be alright.

I'd love to meet you in game once sirius. I always see you talk big about a myriad of topics. Let's see if you're actually such a big shot.

@sciro I'm a completely differnent person in-game.

@Mawa

Your opinion is your opinion. And quite frankly your opinion is not helping right now, so leave please. Or at least graveyard this thread. Before i hated lockdown like you, then I acually tried to do well, and it was fun. And Spiral knights will never move on from lockdown. As i said, if they removed lockdown from the game this game would die. It isn't anyones fault that you don't like violent games. Your a girl(no offense) and girls have different interests in games. This game may have a lot of negativety, but it sure is fun. You are inducing more and more rage. Please, if you are mature, and have some common sense, graveyard this thread.

"LD is not actually anything like a MOBA at all."

"Yes, it is technically a MOBA"

Yeah, ok. I don't care that its not a LoL clone. It's multi player, its online, its set in a battle arena. To me its an action based MOBA, and that's the best descriptor I can think of. All those other games have their own established genres they reside in (fps, rts, fighting).

Also, my original (albiet rather sardonic) point was IF LD was further developed separately it might take on more MOBA elements and the separation from the PvE game might do the community some good because I see that as being part of the problem Wishimomo is going on about. It's purely hypothetical though as it clearly wont happen, but I wouldn't argue the point if I didn't think LD had potential to be a stand alone game under the banner of SK. No I don't think LD is too simple to be more popular, that's part of its appeal. Right now no, it's not marketed or developed enough to be anything more than a mini-game, but it's the best mini-game I've ever played.

@Dutch Oven
SK has the elements that make a game a MMO. The only thing that might make one not believe so is that since it's not open world, there's no place where we all share instance apart from purely social areas, like Haven and Guild Halls. It is an RPG but it's very notably also an action RPG and SK puts an abnormal focus on the action part, something too few "action" RPGs (especially the online ones) do nowadays.
I guess you're right about LD being a MOBA since it's multiplayer, it's online, it involves battle, and it's in an arena. I believe I misinterpreted you there. Sorry.

I do agree that LD could probably become a proper game if it was developed separately from SK but that's not something that's going to happen, at least not with OOO as developer. If there was another Zelda-and-Bomberman-sitting-in-a-tree game that put focus on PvP, I'm sure it would draw a lot of the SK community's attention to it.

Now stop calling people names because they present their valid opinions on a game we all know has many major issues.

@Mawa
I think a good game would be fun whether you are good at it or not.
I most certainly do agree there. While I think LD can be fun if you ask me, it's not really fun in the beginning. As a separate game, that's where LD would most probably fail. I don't think an awful lot of people who enjoy LD came there saying "Oh boy, this looks like a good game. Despite the fact that I am worthless because I'm an Ash Tail with only an Avenger as 4* weapon, I'll stay here just because it's so fun to be killed in one or two hits while I'm trying to help my team by capping and not being able to even touch anyone because they have those pay to win Penta-Heart Pendants!". I believe most joined their first LD game because they really want a Voltedge or because their buddy told them to try it out.

@Sirius
Your opinion is your opinion. And quite frankly your opinion is not helping right now, so leave please. Or at least graveyard this thread.
Like you said, Mawa's opinion is her opinion. Forums are a place to discuss opinions and you should respect the opinions of others so if you come to a place where one is meant to share opinions, please present proper arguments rather than asking people to just remove what they post just because you disagree with them.

As i said, if they removed lockdown from the game this game would die.
Do you have actual numbers on the amount of players who play the game purely for Lockdown vs the ones who don't? You'll have to note that a big amount of those who play LD would probably play even if there wasn't LD so getting those numbers would be kinda hard. Don't state that as a fact if you don't have data to back it up.

Your a girl(no offense) and girls have different interests in games.
Women can think what the !@#$ they want about anything. There's a thing called freedom of speech and it's a human right so don't even pretend gender can ever be something that invalidates any argument. Don't be a sexist. Just don't.

Okay, I am baited.

I'll write a full post about the topic, and point out all its glaring flaws.
but for now, I just want to point out the hypocrisy:

You can't generalize and judge a whole community (that you aren't part of, take note) by the individuals you despise.
Individuals you point out who try to put themselves above others.
Now look at your thread.. The f'ing arrogance you display towards this community.
The condescending attitude towards us, after which you feel smug because no one wants to discuss things sincerely.

"(I'm making use of a hyperbole here - one of those rhetorical devices that make writing more interesting. You should try it sometime.)"

You try to put yourself above these people just as well, you just think it's okay because you're 'smart' about it.
You are just as toxic to the players of this community that haven't wronged anyone.

Let me put down one more meme/GIF for you.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgdk6mM5Fd1qbaoqzo1_500.jpg

@Kraky:

You misinterpreted what I meant to talk about, it's ok, we will talk later. It won't do any good here.

@fAAyi:

This one is better.

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"... girls have different interests in games."

Well, this thread's still a thing, and I'm just loving the high horse that Mawa rode in on.

But there's something I noticed.

"Players who go on with name calling while bromancing their guildies with their secret hand-job, er, hand-shake, or who make posts featuring screenshots of lockdown results while frantically pumping their epeen, or who are so creatively bankrupt and lazy that using memes is the only kind of humor they can relate to, will continue to bring the game down while reaping all the scorn they PATETICALLY deserve.

(Mawa zings a forehand down the line for a winner - match, game set! Her opponent sags to his knees in defeat while raging at his own linguistic impotence.)"

I'd like to go ahead and point out the fact that you just completely shot your metaphorical high horse in the leg at this point. You claim that it's the LD community ruining the game for everyone else, that apparently the LD community as a whole is the group that has such a negative attitude and that you're just an innocent bystander who's had enough. Then, without any real reason, you post the above quote where, in some sort of megalomaniacal manner, you essentially indicate that you doing it is okay, but other people doing it is not. I'd really like to know how this works, because as it stands, the only thing you're doing is proving yourself wrong by acting just as bad as those you're labeling as the problem. Seems like I've been seeing that a lot lately, so I can't really say I'm surprised - but at the very least, if you're going to try to claim to take the high road, at least do a better job of presenting yourself as such. Because in the end, you simply can't play both sides of the fence in this scenario, no matter how experienced you are at doing so.

That being said, the only one here with any kind of linguistic impotence would be you, since for all intents and purposes, you're one of the only people in this thread who has no legitimate opinion to stand on anymore. Also, just as a rule of thumb, this is usually the main indicator that your 15 seconds on the soapbox is up.

tl;dr - swing and a miss, but thanks for comin' out. Don't call us, we'll call you, etc. etc.

Here's why LD is the way it is.

1. LOTS AND LOTS of pissed off laggers

2. Polaris

3. People such as Chris, someone who had all the Advantages (UVs, connection, gear) possible that just comes into a game full of derpy 1-bar laggers/newbies , scores 40k then proceeds to make threads about how great he is.