I applaud your argument Zeddy.

Not really. Have you lost your touch? You seemed to have become more of the stereotypical person here on SK/forums rather than someone who stands out.

A game without balance is like people voting more than one time in a democracy.

Missions should've been 100% payout upon completion and then halved for subsequent runs.

This would make the Clockworks relevant.

Other than that...Brandish owns all.

So, game is not balanced and has lost its prestige in my opinion. This gunner update is make or break to me honestly.

In other words, it's not a game.

The game feels incomplete and broken. A lot of people like myself love the game and wish for the best of it, you could say that for just about anything. It's hard to love a game when there are things blatantly broken in it.

Take a look in the arsenal and I bet you can name over 20 (random number, but I wouldn't be surprised if it reached this much) weapons that you wouldn't use on a regular basis due to better choices. Look at armor, I bet anyone with common sense wouldn't choose Chroma gear over Wolver gear. Dear gods, just look at legitimate bombers...hold on, you can't cause they don't exist. Their bombs and armor are easily outdone by the other choices of playstyles....LD...I'm just gonna say strikers.

Zeddy has a pretty justified reason to be blunt as he is. I think he's one of the most dedicated community members who tries to think of ideas, very good ones on a usual basis I might add, to help balance the game. Though it doesn't seem OOO has been taking much steps in doing that when you look at how Acheron was buffed as a quick example. But hey, I welcome the Gunner Update with open arms. Just maybe then, we'll see some more variety...or not. Not that it affects me either way if it succeeds or blows cause I still love the game as is.

"Dear gods, just look at legitimate bombers...hold on, you can't cause they don't exist."

Mad Bomber reporting for duty.

Also have Volcanic, but Mad Bomber was my first Bomber Line Craft.

zeddy, probably. I saw it and it's too slow for me. I gotta go fast.

I chose chroma. Went straight to Arcane salamander. Ive never owned wolver.

It seems that there are lots of knights out there that will always pick function over uniqueness or challenge.

I don't wish to argue this fact as being a good or bad thing, but a lot of boredom can be alleviated by just deciding to master a particularly unliked or Un-prefered style of weapon or armor/shield.

Nothing lifts your fighting spirit like a room full of T3 Devilites against a MSI VH knight with no shadow defense and an omega shell.

Like playing fast paced operation, Hiss.

The game is never going to be balanced to all of us. we all have different values and opinions on what balance is, and that includes the dev team!

I'm frankly glad some armor gives us significant disadvantages, too. It allows knights to define themselves by using a combination or armor that people are frankly too off put to use.

Ive seen someone who uses nothing but ancient plate mail and a sudaruska. He was incredible.

Perhaps those handicapped armors are there to further refine us, rather than be top of the line items.

Asking someone not to do something by drawing attention to it greatly increases the chances they will do it out of spite, even automatically.

Do not think about a purple rabid elephant, hiss.

I'm one of the rare few that adventures from Tier 1 to any distance I can make it too. The Cloackworks is where I spend most of my time in Spiral Knights. And all this balance stuff, yes I understand it quite well. After all, the Acheron should NEVER be a more valid weapon to fight fiends than a Finale Flourish or Barbarous Thorn Blade. But yet, it is.

Then again, I don't usually equip my Acheron anyways. More often a Dread Venom Striker or Ascended Calibur. After that, I instead would rather equip some bombs and guns while leaving swords far behind. Now what bombs and guns would I want exactly? How about an Irontech Destroyer, Shocking Salt Bomb, Iron Slug, and Biohazard. My personal favorite selection.

Hmm, now what armor to use? I'll mix my beloved Ironmight Plate Mail with a Valcanic Demo Helm. Then I'll use a pet perk to make up for the ASD and trinkets to get a few other benefits. Easy as that! A set that sure as heck isn't over powered, but I'll have loads of fun using it anyways!

But what about Wolver coats Bamzalot? Why do you hate swords so much Bamzalot? Don't you want to kill stuff quickly instead of safely? NO I DO NOT. That's not what I play this for. I only use wolver and chaos items to help increase the offense I want exactly for a certain situation.

With all this in mind, if had to choose between Chroma or Wolver, I would take Chroma.

By openly admitting that you value different gear for different situations as opposed to using the be-all end-all gear, you also admit that you care about making more gear viable... AKA, balance. Don't kid yourself. :P

The point wolver too commonplace. Im outta here.

Well, let's just say this:

When a game is unbalanced, ask the developers.

If the developers can't answer you yet (to you) their logic is flawed and they won't agree with you, make your own game. THEN we can see what you think about balance.

I'm actually in the process of doing this, although I don't think I could do too much better than OOO has.

Totally not true.

Besides, if you guys don't care about balance or u like sticking at tier 2 or whatever you do, then what's it to you for weapons to get balanced? why try to silence other players that want it and care for it? how does balance affect you if you honestly don't care for it?

balance can never be perfect, sure , but one thing is a "somewhat questionable balance" (ex: GF vs Acheron) and another is when u have ridiculously OP weapons like brandishes polaris or blitz that are far more powerful than almost every other weapon choices out there, thats why there are those Mythically rare weapons that you will hardly ever see, like big angry bomb, volcanic pepperbox, Callahan/iron slug, both catalyzers, cutters, troikas and shard bombs... thats all that comes to mind atm, but im sure there are others in the list.

and also, if you like using gear that puts you at disadvantage u can always just use a lower tier armor, just saying, if you like creating your own challenges, balancing the game a lil bit won't take that away from you my friends.

Honestly, i don't even know why am i posting here, "lets focus on the clockworks" so we can Brandishspam/polarispam/blitzpam everything in there until we get bored and then go and beat with underpowered weapons, then beat it solo with underpowered weapons, then beat it on proto gear, then beat it solo with proto gear... ridiculous

Let me add to Draycos reply: Winmillion....Vitasuit.....Wolver Buffs.....the differences and favor of ASI and ADI.....