You can't do that! Your nickname can't have part of my name in it! No fair!
Why do people not understand removing AT is impossible?
You know why they call me Anni-Laton? Because I'm the most latonized [something] in the neighborhood.
*thread officially derailed*
Everyone commence in precaution ignore annilation! This thread must go on!
Derailing commenced 20%, 50%, 90%, okay. It's so derailed right now...
Auto target never helps me in PvP unless I'm a striker, and the only traditional striker gear I carry is a rigadoon. I use auto target to have my DVS attacks actually land, and silently giggle as your damage max strikers complain and belittle me. I know my gear isn't optimal, but I don't play lockdown to win, but rather to have fun. If having auto target on is how I have fun, then so be it.
What bothers me more is the fact that I haven't mastered my own latency yet, and that my dodge never registers when I most need it.
@Feyi-Feyi
PvP is naturally competitive, so imho there shouldn't be a function that helps you.
Why no one wanna play Blast Network instead?
The most balance PvP mini-game and people prefer to play an unbalanced mini-game and whine during 2 whole years on the forum and still not understand that SK is not about LD at all... but about slaying mobs and crafting items
Bring your AT in the Blast Network realm!
Nope, one of the most balanced was Ultimate Superbrawl PvP, then LD came and OOO had to remove it.
@Mushta
"Why AT is a bad thing:"
it this gonna just be definitives with no justification? yup.
"Image we give aimbot to everyone in a FPS game.
Is it balanced?: Yes"
Agree
"Does it require skill to kill someone?: No, people with less latency or faster computer will win."
wrong. 2 different types of skill Management and Execution.
in your FPS example of aimbotting. take Team Fortress 2 with the engineer, medic, and heavy classes. these classes focus less on the execution skill, but require heavy use of management skill to utilize properly by managing position, spacing, timing of reloads and attacks. where as classes like the Scout, sniper, and soldier are more focused on aim and precision targeting.
so no, having to not target manually doesnt mean it takes no "skill" just less execution skill and more management skill. this is how SK's PvE has always been. your positioning and timing have been the primary skill you must master.
i believe the issue you're having it that PvE and LD are 2 Completely different games, with the addition of the special LD only abilities LD became much more of an execution based game where as the "main" game is management focused. so you now have 2 different types of players in the player base both with points that could be made. but next time you hop in to a discussion try and brink up at least 1 point dropping a title thesis doesnt add much.
"Is it fun?: No"
massively debatable, but you didnt come here to discuss now did you?
"Case closed."
nope, still open ;D
me on the other hand.
i've always stood by the "remove LD shield abilities" and Make PvE a part of Spiral Knights and not a different game. makes keeping balance alot easier. and i prefer the more methodical managment style of gameplay over execution style. but i dont play LD (as stated not my type of game) so that doesnt mean it doesnt have value. as it is. but if it is to remain the way it is. i think that focusing more on the execution skill for it would be better in the long run and just force AT disabled while playing LD.
I toggle AT on and off and I never LD. I also play from Australia and let me say something.
With 200ms latency, never rely on AT to land a shot. Ever. You use it to keep your antiguas firing while focusing more on moving around and hopefully nail something a few times.
"Everyone has equal access to it."
Except it does nothing for bombs and guns can't make use of it unless you have low ping and stand still. Because standing still with high-ping is a highway to death. So basically it's fair because you should have 3-4 bars and play with swords.
Lots of irrelevant posts in this thread because the OP didn't mention this thread was about removing AT in LD. A lot of these examples of games you guys have given aren't even for the game's multiplayer PvP mode which for the most part, Auto-Aim is disabled.
Some important points you guys are missing for your scrutinizing of AT:
-A lot of other games that have auto-aim don't even move at the pace that LD does. Striker is indeed too goddamn fast for the majority of player's connections to keep up.
-More often than not if you play pvp in these other games, you'll be matched with other players of similar pings or in a smaller range unless you choose to fight as a pinger rather than in LD where its usually over the board with matchups with people that literally have every advantage possible.
-LD makes no distinction between what is a lagger or high pinger like in these FPS games some of you mention where the ping is clearly tracked on the scoreboard.
-SK has cross-platform pvp meaning that console and PC will often fight against one another, PC will definitely have a reaction speed advantage dependent on what control scheme they use. Cross-platform pvp is not a very common thing especially in FPS where console users will have an in-built aim-assist to compensate for the complexities of a controller while PC users will get banned for using an aimbot or 'aim-assist'. It is essentially all preferential whether to use a console or arrow keys rather than a mouse and/or pc but to defend auto-target on the basis that youre one of the aforementioned, knowing that a mouse could allow better reaction speeds and movement why then do you choose to continue whatever whacky control scheme or console still? Why do you choose to stifle yourself?
The question isn't whether to remove AT or not, it's figuring out a way to manage it with respect to fairness.
Yes, I do not believe anyone should be using AT if youre connection or watever is higher than 1 bar.
Feyi is right, AT should be a correction rather than aid with the crazy range of pings the population experiences ranging from absurdly low to absurdly high.
@Avixi From what I understand, Australia is a pretty big land mass roughly 70-90% of USA. West Australia (the biggest) is >~300ms and anywhere east is <300ms. I doubt you have 200ms considering where the server is relative to Australia, at the very least I think 250 is possible in the high speed areas connected by the NBN otherwise I think you're lying.
Why am I always the last one to know about these things? What the papaya is an AT? T_T
[insert buzz lightyear meme saying: "AT noobs everywhere".]
Hello unskilled players who rely on aim bot. /wave
'?' - dat face
OOO wont remove AT cause of unskilled noobs who need it even to kill the Jelly King. Luckily I'm here to remind them that they suck...
Contri just shut up.
"Whoever calls someone a noob is a noob. Nuff' said" ~Sirius-Voltbreaker
By callling others noobs, you demotivate them. They might even stop playing. I played a few MMOs when people did that to me. I believed them and quit. I think it would be better if you just shut that dirty mouth-hole of yours.
Also AT is bad to use if anything. It messes up your aim, and I once turned AT on while using hammer in pve and.... Let's just say i didn't escape alive.
Just ignore him, Sirius. Contri is that guy in every game community that everyone hates, but since homicide is illegal, we tolerate them.
"Contri is that guy in every game community that everyone hates, but since homicide is illegal, we tolerate them."
Translation: "He's a guy that plays LD all the time and gets owned by Skolver clones, Fausts, Florishes, Polarises, Warmaster Hammers, Shivs, and blames them all for using AT (which is pretty much every LDer in there) while the REAL mistake is him playing LD in the first place. But since homicide is illegal, we tolerate them."
Contri, get off MY PLANE!
-Air Force One
[I really don't think you are making a Contri-bution.]
Haha Xtweeter and Hex..
First of all Contri is actually good at LD (when he isn't trolling, which is almost never) and loved by a part of the community.
Second, ALL HAIL THE CONTRI.
@Feyi-Feyi
"Your argument is rubbish"
So is your way of responding to my argument.
Just in case you use the post you made to reply to me again, what my argument says is that AT is part of SK. If AT was to be removed from LD then it would be removed from PvE as well. Gonna decline? Well the only difference between LD and PvE IN TERMS OF HOW YOUR CHARACTER PREFORMS is that your shield is replaced by another shield/sanic dash/cloak, invinciframes of your opponents are boosted, no pets or pet perks, and the only useful monster-specific damage increases are Construct and Slime (Slush Puppy and Rock Jellies). Are the statistics of Chaos changed between LD and PvE? No. Is ASI changed if you already have Maximum between LD and PvE? No. Are sword comboes different? No. Are blast radii different? No. Is movement speed changed? No. Should AT be different?
No.
You deserve that giant No. to be shoved down your throat and have you served for Thanksgiving to the Gobble Snipes, Faai-Faai. Faai-Faai. Faai-Faai.
"Contri is that guy in every game community that everyone hates, but since homicide is illegal, we tolerate them."
You are wrong, we love our Contri and can't stay on forums without him. And Sirius, you would be insane to try and argue with Contri, you just can't, nobody can, except the teacher of all, Feller.
@Feyi damnit... too much uknown noobies talking to me... you know who they are?
If your only merit is being known in the Lockdown community for whining about Auto Target all the time, your accomplishments in life are rather pathetic.
I would rather be an "unknown noob" (Is that seriously supposed to be an actual insult? Ha, that's just beautiful.) than be known for whining 24/7 and having meaningless skill in a meaningless mini-game.
Can you please move this can of worms to the coliseum? I'm asking.
It got it's own sub-forum for a reason.
@Whimsssafdghm? Whining? HAHAHAHAHAHA I don't whine, noobie. I'm the best with or without AT and i never lose... I'm just saying that players who need AT to do something are all noobies, like you.
Like YOU never used AT when you first joined SK on the Crash site, rescue camp, and early Arcade/Missions.
tweeter, you know who you are talking to, right?
And you are officially a noob now. You called me a noob making yourself a noob.
Also you couldn't beat Whimsicality in 100 light years. In fact I know 20 people in my guild alone who could kick your butt. What do you mean you never lose? Of course you lose, you self-centered freak.
Ladies and Gentlemen! I know announce to you..... Contri! Contri congrats you just won the self entitled douchebag award! Isn't he great folks! Give him a hand!
There's a time when and and time not to use it! *crowd gasps* A time when to use it is when you're having trouble landing Callahan shots on those scooting devilite overtimers, or AP/Sentenza bullets on those darkfang thwackers or Spookats! I time when not to use it is when you're wanting to aim one sword slash at 2 monsters, or if you're going for an inner-reflection Alchemer shot! I know! Such a revelation! It doesn't take Zeddy to verify this!
For the one time I try to actually discuss AT on a manner where I'm serious and present arguments and all the pretty things a discussion needs...
Then these people come by.
Remove yourselves from the forums please, falling for the easy troll of contri proves you are indeed noobs.
U7654: I only had to read the giant no to assume your post would contain nothing of value. I was not disappointed.
/sigh. Still waiting for the day where you need the equivalent of a driver's license to be allowed on the internet.
What surprises me is that when there is a thread about AT, you don't expect these people.
My post in fact was indeed meant as a joke, but also had meaning of discussion.
Last I checked, using the term trolling isn't an excuse to be a complete idiot.
Oh, wait. It is now. Carry on.
Who are you?
The fact that you don't know who I am means my cover is not yet blown =]
/me returns to silently watching the electronic pulses zipping back and forth across the Spiral Knights Servers
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YOU'RE BACK! :D
Hahahahahaha pony you're the best <3
And my "Feyi for President" campaign goes on!
#votefeyi2013
@Reto-Da-Lisa:
B-b-but we already have Pony as the president of this planet. :(
Run while you have the chance, I'll keep you covered!
CLICK ME
Whining? HAHAHAHAHAHA I don't whine, noobie
Sure... how many AT Thread you made again Contri?
You are all whinning, all people playing LD are whinners. Even my friends who started playing LD because of an old friend coming back is whinning... I don't see anyone whine when Vana slams his hammer on people face.
Just accept the fact that you got beaten, move on and people won't remember you as the annoying AT forumer guy... simple... but as of now, you are... And I'm an awkward french forumer who is well known for his PvE skills and RT 1 minutes run.
I do FSC in 2* just for fun, doing double trojan in D25 while my friends clear the whole depth (funny enough, I managed to clear the room once in time!! Huzzah!), with BRANDISH, STUN GUN and my awesome ward shield, with Wolvie set.
LD is 2 years old, it hasn't changed much in the past year... why don't people play Blast Network? not good enough to play w/o gear I guess....
"U7654"
What is this I don't even...
I won't bother to reply if you can't spell my IGN correctly next time, Feyi-Feyi.
And, you didn't present the AT problem, so stop acting like you did, m'kay?
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Sirius, I viewed you and you did okay.... At least better than me at striker!. He got over 9000 2 games in a row, and then on the last one 10,000. Lol, I'm not good with striker, but I'm positively boss with guardian. They call me the "Volt Charge Spammer". Right now Volt Edge charge time reduction very high. Gonna get maximum later and start 1.5 second charge spamming.