Ok just a thing about Strangers...

Ok just a little lore to clear things up.
So at the beggining the Owlites and Gremlins coexisted in peace. The ruler of cradle(dunno his name I'll call him Stark) Stark commanded both in a happy rulership. The Owlites and the Gremlins served under him as loyal rulers. The Kats also existed along with beasts like dragons, wolvers chromalisks and Vog. Then were the kingdom of Almire and two other kingdoms with them. (will go into more detail) about these now) And monomi the ancient deity.
Monomi was an ancient deity that was majestic and was loved by soo many things. It signified goodness.
Almire was a very amazing and thriving kingdom that was very powerful with a very happy and proud leader. Vanaduke. It co-existed alongside 2 smaller kingdoms. These 2 kingdoms were afraid that Almire could overthrow them. So, these 2 kingdoms attack Almire and destroy it, leaving the king to flee behind his dying kingdom. Stark; dismayed at the fact that this had happened decided that the planet would be better of without these 2 befoe they mess something else up. He destroyed them.
The Kats were a happy tribe with their proud but curious leader, Margrel. Margrel was a good leader but his curiosity brought him to the book of grey feathers. Now, the book of grey feathers was this book of great knowledge that belonged to the Owlites. It contained great knowledge of everything and was sacred(much like the tree from the beggining of the bible) he stole it and opened it. The knowledge of the book was spread to many and started a war between the kats and the Owlites. Due to the knowledge and influence of it on the kats, the Owlites were defeated. Then Margrel was banished to the graves. And his people the kats were cursed transform into evil beasts when provoked. They populated the now empty and dark candlestick keeps, Scarlet fortresses and almiranian graveyards. These are the only places taht suited them.
Now the Vog is a great fiery beast much like wolvers. You were never able to see it in the game, but they had Vog cubs. This is what they looked like.(fiery beast thingy) I also wanted to show the other poor deleted enemies... Good times Good times... :(http://www.togetherasone.shivtr.com/forum_threads/1177443
It had Vog cubs which were huntd down due to their luxurious coats. However Vog has the abiity to take form in other things. Then
Now, King Tinkizar was dismayed of these things. The normally tame beasts had become savages, Vog has dissapeared, Their allied kingdom has fallen along with the kats, Almire had fallen and the 2 kingdoms were removed because they had reached their peak. He was afraid that the Gremlins would be removed once they reach their peak. So he made a huge metal Vessel that he trapped stark in. Even though a lot of his energy could escape, most of him was held down in the vessel and by the swarm. The swarm were an ever-manifesting material made by the King and was strong enough to hold Stark down.
The planet was now called the "Cradle" for it cradled great power. Stark's energy was somewhat out of control and it was able to pull things toward it. A passing meteor holding the organisms we now call jellies was pulled towards Cradle and populated it, rapidly evolving in this healthy environment. Soon the Kats started konjuring. from this, the protal from which the undead and fiends came from was made. The almiranians and other past kingdoms came back as undead creatures. The statues of Trojans, were animated by Dark energy. This eventually made the legion of Ur. This legion only existed in the underworld luckily so they hadn't touched Cradle. The fiends now existed in the cradle and turned the world dark.
At this point the King Tinkizar had changed. The bitterness and fate of the world seemed sour and so did he. He was afriad to be attacked, so he made the contructs. The constructs were based of off many existing things. Gun puppies (monomi) Scuttlebot (Chromaslisk) Retrode (Zombie) . They were made to protect Gremlins from dangers while working.
Now many gremlins felt like they couldn't trust their ruler. He had changed. They left him and created emberlight and brought strangers on to their side.
Then Stark saw the Isorans. A savior for cradle. He could tell the planet was getting worse and worse. He took them down.
Now to actually get on topic. If you notice, starngers look a lot like robots. Well they are. You can see it if you look closely. They have existed since gremlins and know a lot about the world. They are eternal in a sense, and are like recorders. They are passive and tell information. Now....
DISCUSS!

Well... I mean a lot of this came from the wiki I am sure.... and lots of it is actual info if you think about the first part and the name cradle, with the planet secretly hiding great power A.K.A. stark(or whoever the maker was)

Yea, a lot of it is from the wiki. But you can't just compile all the broken pieces of stories into a plot like that and add you own ideas and call it canon. Also, From what I understand, Cradle is a world made of other worlds. So one unifying rulers/king, Stark as you called him could not exist because All these kingdoms and empires did not in fact originate on Cradle. So most likely, Almire and the Kat Tribe+Owlites probably never met until they were transported Cradle which probably happened after Almire was in ruins. Remind me sorta of the Twilight cage from Sonic Chronicles

You just took stories and mashed them together. For one, Almire was from somewhere else, not Cradle, over a thousand years ago. Over a thousand years, Owlite books and stuff would all be destroyed. Thus, the Owlites and Almirians were destroyed in drastically different time periods, not to mention location.
Margrel was not the leader of the Kat tribe. You have no evidence whatsoever for that fact. He was just some moron who killed everything accidentally.
Fer crying out loud...LICHENS CAME ON A METEOR. You haven't any proof that any other Slimes came on it save for the Lichens. AND IT'S ONLY THOUGHT THAT THEY CAME HERE THAT WAY.
Monomi is NOT a god in canon. It's the name of a Gun Puppy statue in the Haven Town Square.
You haven't proof that Vog is a great firey beast. For all you know he's a blob of water with a really bad sense of irony and humor.
It's not really logical to think that the Core, which had apparently no interaction with the Spiral Order save for the Alpha Squad (albeit allegedly), would randomly shoot a bunch of people to help it.
You don't know that the Owlites lost. They lost one battle, but they may have won all the others. Heck, that might be why Margrel opened the book, because they were losing.

Cradle is a world eater.
Many of those civilizations you mentioned rose and fell long before the Architect and its creations got their grubby hands on the miserable remains.

right on for being creative dude, life is too short not to create something every day.

@Sirius-Voltbreaker
Why did you link that wiki page? It's just a bunch of horrible stuff defaming a player named "Dark-Titan". Remove the link, it's naming and shaming.

Didn't know it was a link about that... Sorry.
And yes Vog was a fiery beast look on the wiki.
And It is partially made up. So you don't have to go derailing and saying it is all false and bullcrap. I made that stuff up to buikd up to the question.
And Mchineseninja, too bad. Reading is good. It won't hurt.
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Cradle is composed of different worlds. Now, I DO believe these each have their own story but they did not start as one. The arcs are
-Tinkzar and the Gremlins/constructs
-Vana and Almire
- Kats and Owilites ( my personal Fav)
- Devilite Co.
-And Haven as a whole, with the many statues and strangers
Where did people get this Moonami stuff from? I wanna know.

*Bwiiirrrrrrrr* Al mi ni keh bi bi ne ti mi noh? *Ka-chlick*
(Are you making fun of us?)

No, I'm just not into lore that much.
Supposed god of Cradle, statuses, gunpuppy. Yeah. But how'd the name occur?

At that time I didn't look at forums and was a Leeroy.

Number one, this belongs in the Treasure Vault. Move it.
Number two, don't trust everything on the wiki. At least 4 pages had false info (Danger Mission lore).

@Sandwich-Potato
Link me to said pages.

Fun fact: It was Annilation who wrote that (deleted) lore on those wiki pages.
@Sirius
This is some nice lore, although frankly I do prefer my own version much better. No offense intended.
Interesting theory on how Stark would shoot the Skylark out of the sky... But I do not think that that's a very likely thing. How many Knights did he killed during his first opening salvo? Many more would also not have made it to the Escape Pods and died when the Skylark crashed/exploded. Not exactly the best way to get people to help you, you know what I mean?
Also, the part where the Gremlins built Constructs to protect them. I agree with that, but IMO the Gremlins were capable of protecting themselves. If you think about it, all their ingame weapons double as tools and weapons. Thwackers have sledge hammers that also work as weapons . Scorchers have welding torches that double as flamethrowers. Demos have demolition bombs that double as grenades, etc etc. It'd make sense to think that they were in danger from something, and needed to be ready to fight and defend themselves at a moments notice. Of course, Constructs would've made this task a lot easier.
Also, +1 for link to Badgers ;)

I'm pretty sure they were all separate canons, and may relate to one another VERY distantly.
I can understand Devilites and Undead mixing in, given that both Kats and Devilites have the ability to make summoning circles to call people in from other worlds.
Gremlins seem to be just...builders of Constructs. I mean, they seem to lack the real power and technological might to keep any other factions than themselves to rule. Heck, even their elite Crimson Order has in-fighting.
Beasts and Jellies...I'll say that MAYBE Lichens crashed onto the Wolvers' planet, or maybe they crashed into Cradle (which would explain why they're in Undead levels, Gremlin levels, and some Beast levels.) But I think it'd make more sense to say these two Monster families are segregated until they were added to Cradle.
Silkwings, I can assume from them being insects, breed quickly enough to spread to all kinds of stratum. This is why their origins are undetermined, and although they're classed as fiends, they're never mentioned in the actual in-game lore.
AND SIRIUS...
The being in the Core cannot be responsible for the crashing of the Skylark. If it could power up a cannon to shoot the Skylark from inside, then it would've been out of it's prison LONG ago, considering the amount of power that cannon had to shoot down the Skylark.

I realize that Vinny is talking to Sirius, but whatevs.
Personally, for my own lore, I decided to scrap the stuff about how the Clockworks are built from pieces of different planets or whatever. Technically, there's no proof that it is anyway; they just say that it seems to be, cause the whole place is like all mixed up and stuff. It makes things too complicated anyway.
All slimes came from a meteor shower, Fiends (and others) are from the Underworld, Constructs are built by Gremlins, everyone else originated on Cradle.

Look at it as this way. Stark might want to see if they are worthy, and gravitating them might give them a lesser chance of survival. They shoot the ship. some people die, however they are able to initiate evacuating orders quicker without difficulty getting to pods. And i forgot to add the part where the Crimson Order was added in. It was added after the rebellion/civil war to stop things like that to ever happen. And gremlins have to work in fear of an attack ANY second. Robots help way better.
Lichens crashed into cradle as a meteor and developed into further branches of jellies, by adapting to habitats. Silkwings are from the Wolvers. They first appeared in wolver dens, and aurora isles in the first place. And when King Tinkizar made the clockworks, to prevent anyone to getting to the Core and freeing Stark from his prison. And so no one could foresee the difficulties, he made every environment rotate so everything changes.

Bit off topic,
But I just realized
That the Clockworks could work as some kind of massive combination lock to the Core.
Think about it.

The infighting is most likely caused by Gremlin's territorial nature. They were designed to protect and maintain Cradle, so a few behavioural flaws could be tolerated if it meant they stoically defend the clockworks from all outsiders.

@Hexzyle Then wouldn't the Gremlins be fighting the other races, not lording over them as opposed to Sirius's claims?
@Lordofthedead The Clockworks, at one point, actually was supposed to be that in the earlier patches of SK. When minerals were deposited in the Core Terminal, it was said that the Core would open.
Then that was removed, and it was changed so that Stratum would be built by the amount of minerals placed. Supposedly, the lore in-game said that the right combination of stratum would open the Core.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Gremlins are cunning enough to use other races to their advantage when combating knights.

But what if it was like a 3 way enemyship? A is enemies of B and both of them are enemies of C. C is the enemy of B, who is A's enemy, so C is A's friend. But B is also the enemy of C, who is also the enemy of A, so B is also A's friend. The same thing applies all around so everyone are friends! :D

Hex, let me. I have done extensive research on the gremlins. Gremlins are cunning creatures. They have developed machinery and weaponry beyond imagination. For instance, Seerus' deadly Grand Arsenal. Herex's chemical weapons. Even in the real world if these were used it would mean certain destruction. However, the gremlins can't succeed without one of the two methods: A coincidence happens and they take advantage, or gremlins use other races. Gremlin commonly use the method Aftermath Battle, meaning they would rather let other races take care of their enemies and they are done, or fight the greatly weakened enemy after a battle. One may think why gremlins could just team up with other races to form an alliance beyond imagination. However, we can see clearly that is not the case. Even though gremlins are smart and cunning, they can't form alliances. First, gremlin chatter is not understandable by other races, unless a gremlin knows Common speech, which is very rare. The Crimson Order members are exceptions to gremlin chatter. They can all speak Common. Second, gremlins can't form alliances due to the fact they are proud and arrogant. They would rather not rely on a race open-surface-ly. They would use other races secretly so the others won't know. Third, an alliance won't last long, due to the evidence that not even the Nine Crimson can't even control themselves and King Tinky is most likely a senile fool than a brilliant Architect long ago. After all, the Clockworks are old, so that means Tink is old too. Therefore the Crimson Order could be speaking for themselves now. The gremlins would make their enemy look as bad as possible so that other races would assume that is a race to be exterminated and then the gremlins would take their advantage. However, this doesn't seem like the best strategy, even though it is very effective. We can see that gremlin usages of other races doesn't always work. Usually other races find out. However, alas, there aren't many intelligent races now. Gremlins are perhaps the only race that is very smart and intelligent, other than the strangers and the Spiral Order. The strangers are too passive and the SO is too smart to be tricked by gremlin gizmos. We can see clearly now that gremlins don't use that tactic now. They prefer to make machinery in peace so one day they can destroy Haven. That still doesn't mean they use pure brute force though.....

unless a gremlin knows Common speech, which is very rare.
Hi there Razwog, Vise, Punch, Nonna, and probably that vendor in Emberlight.
After all, the Clockworks are old, so that means Tink is old too.
We actually don't really have much proof for how old the Clockworks are, and how old is "old" for Gremlins, which could be a thousand years. So yeah.
Gremlins are perhaps the only race that is very smart and intelligent, other than the strangers and the Spiral Order.
Oh hai there Devilites, Trojans, and of course Love Puppies. DUR. LOVE PUPPIES ARE OBVIOUSLY SMART. Who didn't know that?
Gremlin commonly use the method Aftermath Battle, meaning they would rather let other races take care of their enemies and they are done,
How about when Gremlins spawn with non-Construct or Gremlin mobs? Did you ever see them fight?
Second, gremlins can't form alliances due to the fact they are proud and arrogant. They would rather not rely on a race open-surface-ly.
Proof?
Even in the real world if these were used it would mean certain destruction.
Eh, not sure about the Grand Arsenal. We have this thing called Shootdownmissiles. Albeit that's not what it's actually called. Herex's stuff though? Probably.

So what you basically said in that large, unformatted block of text was pretty much I said just more elaborated (and patronizing to some)
By me mentioning that Gremlins are cunning, most people should be able to infer that the "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" line was referring to Gremlin's tactic of standing by (or passively assisting) while other non-negotiating species did all the hard work.
First, gremlin chatter is not understandable by other races, unless a gremlin knows Common speech, which is very rare
Extensive research you say? What about the fact that every single friendly Gremlin we've encountered can speak Isoran?
King Tinky is most likely a senile fool than a brilliant Architect long ago. After all, the Clockworks are old, so that means Tink is old too.
Here you're assuming that A: Tinkinzar is mortal, and B: Tinkinzar and The Architect are one and the same. Nowhere are these stated as fact.
Compared to Isorans, Gremlins aren't smart. They don't need to be: they make up for it in drive, and the advantage of being well learned in their environment.

Just some jumbled up all-around replies to peoplez.
"Extensive research you say? What about the fact that every single friendly Gremlin we've encountered can speak Isoran?"
Heck, ALL Gremlins can speak Isoran. We can understand Razwog, Seerus, even Menders with their "Stay Close!" and stuff. And not even just Gremlins. The Lost Spirits in FSC; Kats; Devilites. Strangers, King Krogmo, everyone! So either OOO is just doing that so we can understand them, or we speak a dialect not unlike the common Clockworks language. The Gremlins have their own dialect, but they must also have a 2nd dialect that they speak in for the rest of the Clockworks.
And since we can understand it, which means Isoran language must be similar to the common language, it makes sense for the theory that the Isorans originated from Cradle, before crap happened and they ended on leaving and Isora and Morai Wars and stuff.
Or, of course, we could've just leared the Common Language during the time we've been on Cradle.
But wait! We understood Razwog and the Strangers from the very first, when we first explored Cradle and the Clockworks. I don't think we'd have had enough time to become fluent in the Common Language, so it must be similar to Isoran!
So we can understand dudes on Cradle cause Isoran and the Common Speech are very similar cause we originated from Cradle and the Common Speech became a base for Isoran, which must be either the same thing or a mutated form of the Common Speech.
My Vog I'm a genius I just thought of all of this right on the spot O.o
"Here you're assuming that A: Tinkinzar is mortal, and B: Tinkinzar and The Architect are one and the same. Nowhere are these stated as fact."
On the Wiki it does say that Tinkinzar is the Architect, but idk.
"Second, gremlins can't form alliances due to the fact they are proud and arrogant. "
I think this post explains my view on that.

I'm just gonna say that I really doubt that any of this lore stated by Sirius is true, since this hasn't been clearly stated within the game in itself, and the lack of any real stated link between certain monster families (Vog is really just some obscure thing, assumed to be an organism and have children. Monomi is nowhere near a god, just a named gun puppy statue) and so forth. The way how this THEORY is stated as a fact by the original poster just makes me wanna slap my face with a Rocket Hammer, since so many people seem to accept it as a fact and continue to build upon it as if it was really a fact.
It isn't. OOO doesn't state anything about this being true. The game hints at a lot of things, but ARE YOU GUYS KIDDING ME? You're really going to take a synthesized version of the lore and pass it off as a fact? *sigh*
Because none of this is true (except for the facts themselves, that Almire was a kingdom and Gremlins maintain Cradle and that Monomi was simply a named gun puppy statue in Haven and that the Kat Tribe had a great big conflict with the Owlites and that Fiends have summoning circles...), I cannot and will not accept that Strangers are "eternal in a sense, and are like recorders. They pass on information".
Even IF all your falsified lore WAS stated as true, it's a fallacy to say that since Gremlins and Kats do the same thing in their respective towns (Emberlight and Moorcroft).
Before we have any more discussion on this, can we all have a long hard look at the original post?
And Sirius, if you do want to continue with this, state this as your own lore. It just unnerves me when people try to synthesize hypotheses and pass them off as facts, especially since they haven't been proven.

There's a reason why this is in the Treasure Vault, just so you know. Although I do admit the title of this thread does give the wrong message...

...dude, thanks for saying that when I couldn't.
I don't know if this belongs with Treasure Vault or here......