OOO have made some big decisions. You'll always get people who are for, against or in the middle. Personally I would love more levels with similar or more payout in terms of crowns than FSC. But I'm happy with how things are atm. I have all my Five star gear so forge doesn't bother me.....well not until the new gunner update.

To say Nick left because of the SK community is kind of absurd. I think there was something personal to it. The guy loved this game, Nick is what SK is all about! It's no where complete, there's a tonne load of stuff to come and he up and left. Something went down at OOO HQ, something big.

A lot of it is self-incurred, as has already been stated.

A basic, generic timeline of each update that makes us mad:
(insert: Acheron Hyperbuff, Missions, Radiant Drought, Stealth Patches, Ignoring the Gunner Update, Ignoring the Arcade Redux, etc)
-OOO releases a patch (or doesn't release a patch) that annoys the living [redacted] out of the majority of players
-Players complain
-OOO ignores players
-Players complain more
-OOO is silent
-Players get angry
-OOO is silent
-Players are leaving
-OOO gives us cheesy reskins
-Players aren't satisfied
(then those two continue for the next [insert obscenely long period of time])

While they are a small team, and I really love their game, I have no sympathy with them. They haven't released any positive, game-changing content in over 6 months. And all they do is give us reskins and ignore problems with the core game.

It really does make me feel bad - that game had, and still has, great potential.

If some of the decisions they made weren't so baseless and idiotic then maybe I wouldn't hate on them. No point in saying we love everything, otherwise they won't learn to change some of the worse stuff they do do.

It's important to realize that you people brought this drought upon yourself. You used to complain that Shining Fires were too "rare", despite having a recipe to downgrade your "2k Radiants". Yeah, 500cr isn't the best deal, but if we pull out some maths that I won't list here, it's a total of 25kcr to make 50 shinings, and assuming 100ce is 8kcr (like back in October), you're saving around 3kcr. Now assuming with today's 7kcr per 100ce, you're actually losing about 500cr. Yeah, not the best deal, but I would think a loss of 500cr is better than having to pay 700ce for 50 radiants.

...I just listed the math didn't I?

The game was fine the way it was. People wanted new content. Not a reworked version of SK. Then getting hit by the nerfhammer they loaned from Blizzard...

Seriously there was at least 1 boss Thread per month, if not per week in the suggestion subforum. With in-depth detail of depths, bosses, puzzle and pattern. A lot of good created content could've been in SK but they did not listen to the community one bit.

So many little suggestion was made to make SK a better place and none were implemented. Heck the GH is so poorly designed and never updated. Vet don't have a specific chanel, only a generic msg for all guild, no officer/vet/GM msg, the list is so long... weapon ideas, promo idea...

It's really a shame that all that hard work the community made was thrown in the garbage. Littearlly.

Edit: And let me edit my post... If SK would've made a workshop for SK. It would've been the first ARPG to have user created content in it's environment. They could've slack some work and followed a game model Like TF2 With a little bit of P2P in it. Like a have P2P elevator special pass to access user created content and some would get voted per month/week. Kinda like TF2 maps work...

I mean SK could've gone a long way.... if they kept some affiliation with Steam and follow their lead... Why did SK joined TF2 to simply leave it behind afterward?

Ponder upon that

>Reduces drop rates some more
>Reduces
>some
LOL
if by reduces, you mean made only available SOMETIMES at a certain depth, and by some, you mean ALMOST ENTIRELY

all lulz and sarcasm aside, if OOO didn't want us raging, then maybe they should'nt make such poor business decisions which alienate their playerbase.

The requests being are probably just too much.

Hate to admit it, but the thug is right.

OOO would care less about about me deleting my account, but if ppl in EoS and Jempire start quitting, then it is really the end for OOO IMO.

So 2 guilds are the sole reason Spiral Knights exist? I'm laughing right now. OOO end will come when members of EOS and Jempire quit? I'm in stitches! OOO really does need to sort out their game if everything hinges on a few kids splashing their parents cash at them. So what you're saying is a bunch of 13+ year old kids are single handedly keeping Spiral knights alive? Oh yay! Pray that day never comes when EOS and Jempire die!

Edit: IMO I don't think OOO has done anything wrong. They have made the game more challenging. It keeps things interesting and it makes me want to play it more. People complaining now will be kissing OOO feet when the next big update comes along. It's always the same. It's a love hate relationship when it comes to the SK community and OOO.

My point is people will always complain regardless. Watch as soon as the gunner update comes out all will be jolly. Wait a few months and people will be crying for more. It's like OOO is the mother and SK community is the baby. Mom feeds baby with bottle, baby is happy. Baby sucks that bottle dry. Mom takes bottle out to refill. Baby cries. Mom feeds baby with bottle, baby is happy.....you get the idea.

There has never been a time where everyone just sucks it all up and accepts things the way they are. Respect to those of us who just carry on patiently waiting for the next big update.

Seiran's right on this one; immediately after the Tortodrone new pictures came out, there were like a half dozen threads of speculation, most with happy ones and anticipation, me included. Then it wore off mostly because it had flavor, but not substance and so was tucked into the back of everyone's mind in favor of current problems.

>IMO I don't think OOO has done anything wrong. They have made the game more challenging.
>They have made the game more challenging
>made the game more challenging
>game more challenging
>more challenging
>challenging
>the game
They haven't buffed a single monster since the forge, sprites and elevator costs removal AFAIK, in fact, they've done the opposite the whole time since I've started to play the game on steam.
They added arsenal stations in almost every level, which means no need for preparation at all and no need for pure normal damage weapons.
You get an extra life in every single level, unless you are "dead on arrival" on the next one.

So explain to me how is the game more "challenging"?

Clearly you never struggled to get 700CE and wait for your mist tank to fill up and get another 30K Cr to get your first 5* gear(man, those memories... before the redux, THE PAIN!!!). The crafting back then was an uphill battle. Yes, each vana run back then yield you about only 8K Cr, so you have to do about ten runs to get just one 5* gear. So tell me, is that not challenging?

Oh, so the "difficulty" is on leveling up huh? And not on the monsters and hazards of the level? Well maybe I could think that's understandable. Desirable too, maybe. Perhaps it's for the best...

BUT ITS NOT.
Making crap impossible to level up without using a lot of money or time DOES NOT MAKE IT CHALLENGING. IT MAKES IT TEDIOUS. GRINDING DOESN'T ADD ANYTHING TO THE DIFFICULTY OF THE GAME, IT ONLY MAKES IT BORING AND A FLIPPING CHORE. READ: BORING AND A CHORE. NOT FUN OR DIFFICULT. BORING AND A CHORE.

AND YET YOU APOLOGISTS STILL EAT IT UP BECAUSE YOU THINK IT ADDS UP ANYTHING TO THE GAME. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT IT ADDS UP: BORINGNESS AND CHORE-NESS.

IT'S LIKE SOMEONE FILLS UP AN ALREADY HALF FILLED GLASS OF JUICE WITH WATER AND YOU IDIOTS STILL THINK IT TASTES THE SAME OR EVEN BETTER. IT DOES NOT. GO ON AND DO THAT YOURSELF. GRAB A GLASS, FILL IT BY HALF WITH JUICE. DRINK IT. TASTY RIGHT, BUT SHORT TOO? THEN DO THAT AGAIN, BUT FILL THE REST WITH WATER. DRINK IT AGAIN. TASTES MUCH BETTER RIGHT? THAT'S HOW GRINDING TASTES LIKE. IT ADDS NOTHING AND MAKES THE WHOLE GLASS OF JUICE TASTE LIKE NOTHING AS WELL.

You need to use your head in grinding FSC over and over? Why? The thing is almost the same every time, with the right gear and experience, anyone can blow through FSC like if it was nothing. I soloed it before, but the loneliness overwhelmed me, IT IS SO BORING, and I guess your friend quit for the same reason.

You are tenacious and presistant, I can give you that, but even you will find FSC boring one day, you fill find that all you have been doing with your time is grinding the same place over and over, have 200K CE, so what? They are just numbers floating at the bottom left of your UI. Collect all the gears, so what? It is not like they are all useful and balanced anyway, only brandishes and pulsars mattered.

And also, since you had such an easy time before the redux, then plz explain to me why is this game now harder?

estimated response: it's harder because you have more work to do or something.
estimated answer: because mist didn't get you anything to do, just grinding for ce. oh wait, it also limited your gameplay time. much like the forge does, because if you cannot advance you are limited in what you are going to do.

EDIT: the definition of challenge it means that is not easily doable. that means it's not easy. if it's easy, it's not a challenge.

Now, now, don't get all personal. Forge is there because the elevator is for free, If OOO can't think of a better way to restrict player, I don't think anyone can.

As for the radiant wall, no one said you have to get 5* fully heated gears, I for the most part only heat my 5* armor to lvl5 to get the extra health and I kept all my newly made weapons ast 4* to retain the CTR med. No one is asking you to climb mount everest, walk around it.

megawatt, how do you know he is affected by it? as he said merchants don't have this kind of problems. "but why would a merchant grind?" because he can't find anything to trade for, or because he needs more crowns for something he knows he will give him/her profit. maybe he has all the gear he wants and doesn't see the problem. or he is not affected by the idea of grinding, which I question how can you but the answer is obviously "I can and you can't".

EDIT:
I accept it because it is there right in front of me. I can't avoid it.

you know that the idea behind it is stupidly wrong? you can't attack the drought itself, you must attack the ideas that made it happen. I think that in the forums we covered that up quite a bit. that means it's still wrong, but we have done what we could. we still don't accept it but we know we can do nothing about it.
your reasonment can be compared to this situation: an isolated village recieves supplies from a single road. that road is destroyed for reasons. since there's nothing the village can do, they just starve to death? no, they at least try to rebuild the road, even it it seems or it is impossible. they try to make the supplies arrive in another way. you would have said to deal with it even if they are dying?

I think that I can give you dark souls and see how much time it takes to master that. I think there are bosses that even the veterans of the game have difficulties to beat. let's not talk about the arcade games.

Which part? I thought I said I think comparing real life challenges where you have some sort of power to make a difference is way different to a game that only the developers of the game have power controlling.

Edit: I said I will accept it. I'm not forcing you to accept it. Don't put words into my mouth. If you don't want to accept it good for you. But you're 100% right. You can't avoid it. So imo you have to put up with it. Until OOO decide to change it.

Ok so what is your point?

Edit: dude don't troll me. I just explained that.....twice.

Saying "No one said you had to heat all your 5* gear to level 10" is quite ridiculous if you ask me. You're basically saying no one says you have to finish the game, even though the creators made it near impossible for non-payers to do so. That argument simply doesn't work.

A challenge is only difficult when attempting it for the first time or few times.
no it isn't, and I provided proof. your turn.

Ok the rubix cube. Your turn.

Edit: omg! Thunder-The-Bright you are seriously annoying lol. Stop saying things I haven't said. You are looking stupid. I am only saying THINGS ARE THE WAY THEY ARE BECAUSE OOO WANT IT LIKE THIS. WE CAN CRY ABOUT IT ALL WE WANT WE CANT CHANGE ANYTHING. SO EITHER DEAL WITH IT OR LEAVE. IF OOO INCREASE THE RADIANT DROP RATE THEN GOOD IF OOO GETS RID OF THE FORGE THEN GOOD IF OOO DECREASE RADIANT DROP RATE FURTHER THEN GOOD. WE AS PLAYERS HAVE A RIGHT TO COMPLAIN BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY IF OOO WONT CHANGE ANYTHING THEN THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. SOOOOOOO ACCEPT IT OR NOT. THERE IS NO AVOIDING IT. SHEESEH!!! KABEESH SON!!!!!

enyoy the caps lol.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy."

Martin Luther King, Jr.

Edit: I don't think you are stupid or annoying. Goodnight mate.

@Midnight-Dj
You still have inferior gear compared with those who have fully heated gear, so if you want to be as "good" as the latter you DO have to climb it.

@Arcknightdelta
DON'T TRIGGER ME.

@Thunder-The-Bright
You're right, and not everyone is an innate happy merchant like him. At least recipes helped newer players getting some money, until the HoH killed it. But even so, I don't think it wouldn't help much with the drought - far more energy is required for just for a measly level or two. It's ridiculous.

Plus, I don't think Dark Souls is as hard as people claim, but I get your point.