The question is on the title.
What's the better weapons (that deals normal damage) on C42?
Fri, 02/14/2014 - 20:21
Sat, 02/15/2014 - 02:44
#2
Normal weapons aren't really preferable to shadow weapons in C42 as I'd like to recall that there are no enemies that aren't weak to shadow there.
Sat, 02/15/2014 - 04:10
#3
@OP
I'm just wondering if there's any "normal weapon" that can handle it. I know that the better is shadow weapons. I'm just asking that you share your knowledge.
@Bopp
Yes. Pure-normal weapons.
Sat, 02/15/2014 - 05:27
#4
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Any weapon could do to be honest, I think poison resistance is much more important than selecting a weapon in c42 mission. At certain points, you can walk around those tox-oil drops without being poisoned. (not sure exactly but I used poison armor sets + poison resist perk from battle sprite) Also with higher resistance, you may get poison from other sources but will have less damage penalty (and less duration of course).
hmm...
Nitronome definitely good, though it's annoying to other party members. Aside from certain gremlins, I think neutralizer is fun to use. Get mortafire status effect asap (haze type bombs like shiver, venom, agni, stagger, and voltaic is the best option, but I think barrier vials does the job as well), if you have trouble killing it. I can see myself bringing volcanic pepperbox, btw (not really recommended but I usually snipe-shot monster got distracted by teammates).
Sat, 02/15/2014 - 05:19
#5
Supernova's knockback could be good if you know how to use it and don't tick off the leader. The number of times some party member jumps in and shoots the Trojans into our faces...
Sat, 02/15/2014 - 08:53
#6
@OP
The Shiver take out the fire from tox-oils?
@Poopsie
-I thought that fire resistance was more important, but after you said it, I changed my mind. Poison resistance will allow me to use pills more easily than fire resistance. More safe indeed.
-What about the Irontech? Will it be annoying to a party?
-I don't think the Agni could be a good option since C42 always have a mix of tox-oils and gremlins. And the turrets are flamethrowers, so they are resistant to fire.
-The unique problem about volcanic pepperbox that it can set tox-oils on fire. A thing that will just require more skill or good UVs to be used.
@Sandwich-Potato
A good option. I think it can be fine to defeat turrets.
Sat, 02/15/2014 - 14:48
#7
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Shiver only takes out the fire within the monster body, the freeze status effect doesn't do anything on environments.
still same annoying, though blast bomb family is one of decent bomb for solo.
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/15600
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/70550 <- about that bomb family comparison.
I was just saying agni as in what's a haze bomb, just an old player thing >__> because those bombs were originally a 1* haze bomb before update. Well, mortars are also in OCH missions.
Yes, pepperbox set them in fire. Though, at my current game play, I care less about setting them in fire or not (either I dead silly or suddenly a pro), and also pepperbox is the fastest weapon to kill giant lichen for now, until whenever that silly gunner update truly comes.
Sat, 02/15/2014 - 14:29
#8
fire vs. poison resistance
There seems to be a debate here about fire vs. poison resistance. Poison greatly diminishes your attack damage, making it hard to bring down enemies. But fire kills you very quickly. Ideally you would avoid fire, but C42 is laggy enough for me that I can't. I always wear much more fire protection than poison protection.
Sat, 02/15/2014 - 14:32
#9
I prioritise fire resistance over poison simply because the former will directly kill me, the latter will not. Additionally, I don't have anything vs both like Fallen or Dragon Scale so I use Vog Cub, which fits very neatly with my preferred weapon for C42, Gran Faust.
Sat, 02/15/2014 - 16:50
#10
I was thinking on using a bit of fire and poison resistence. So I can take less of both.
I was thinking to combine a piece of Gunsliger Set, a piece of any equipment with elemental defense and fire resistance and poison resistance perk.
My Sunset Stetson have poison resistance on it. So I think it can be a good combination.
Poison can be important equally to fire. Poison don't allow you to heal yourself, so poison resistance over fire resistance is a good option too.
Sun, 02/16/2014 - 21:45
#11
C42
In C42, try to get resistance to both. You will be literally drowned in poison and fire, and you will spend more time trying to shield it than attacking and killing.
Fallen is AWESOME for this, especially with my Low Poison UV on it.
Sun, 02/16/2014 - 22:52
#12
Or you could get Dragon Scale set and call it a day.
Mon, 02/17/2014 - 05:27
#13
I prefer just a piece of Dragon Scale or Fallen and another piece to buff my guns or bombs.
I already have a shield to this: Wise Owlite Shield.
Mon, 02/17/2014 - 16:20
#14
Since we're talking "normal
Since we're talking "normal damage" how about we count elemental weapons versus the slimes too!
An ice brandish would be nice and useful for freezing things in place and extinguishing the shennanigans.
If triglav swung at a faster speed it would be good too, freezing enemies left and right, clearing out crowdy spaces.
Tue, 02/18/2014 - 05:05
#15
Winmillion asi max all the
Winmillion asi max all the way
and yes, fire rez is greater than poison rez, because poison alone cant kill you. Dealing less dmg is better than dealing normal damage for the 20 seconds that you are alive..
Also, the best set is chaos setbecause it OP bettr thn othr sets GG
Tue, 02/18/2014 - 14:28
#16
wooo debate...
This is based on my experience. I've been trying C42 place with chaos set, and I wailed like a coward, too busy shielding and dodging instead of attacking, once you get poisoned, your chaos damage bonus is downed to negative uv instead.
At this moment, I always wear either snarbolax set (swordie) or shadowsun set (gunner) with ctr trinkets (that you could easily change it with heart pendants) + poison resist perk. You don't even care where they spill the oils, I spam charge on them. While you can get on fire, you can still pick whatever heart drops immediately with no poison (especially if you are handy with seraphynx). If you are poisoned by spikes (most likely because of stronger poison), you only get poisoned around 2 - 4 sec, and the poison only reduce damage by 10 - 20 ish (I can't recall exactly but I am still able to knock those toxoils spin attack charge, which is really good). The main damage dealer for me is toxoil's spin attack because of randomness spikes direction, hence I always try to knock-cancel them. Honestly, I did about 4x overall damage per time using the same weapon loadout with poison set than chaos set.
Just another worthless repetition sentence, Leviathan (or similar copies) is still a decent weapon, only overshadowed by specific damage type swords.
Tue, 02/25/2014 - 20:52
#17
Keep talking! I kill you!!
I'd recomend either Winmillion cause of the projectile swings, Acheron/Obsidion edge (they deal split norm shad dmg so it's still legit), Gran Faust, or Valiance. You SERIOUSLY don't want to take any of the pepperboxes cause the fire status(thank god i haven't done that yet).
A Levi blade is legit too, but it's not the best weapon. However, you do get a free calibur and free recipes to take that to a levi and the same things go for Valiance and Nitro. BAB, final version of the shard bomb (deadly i think), and even the Irontech destroyer are good because area dmg, knockback, and also they seal norm dmg. Now that i think about it, a Triglav would be great cause freeze and dmg. If you hate/don't want to do PvP then you can just get a Sadurska although a Trig is better (and i mean the sword not the math class) Also any atacks with your battle sprite while it has one of the iron harnesses on. Just be carefull when using a Drakon. For those of you who've done C42 before you guys know why.
Wed, 02/26/2014 - 09:19
#18
So, basically, use a good
So, basically, use a good armor, freeze weapons with other weapons and you go well?
Thinking on terms of weapons, I could go on three ways:
Pure Gunner: Valiance and Haze Storm
Pure Bomber: Irontech(or DSB) and Shivermist
Gun/Bomb: Valiance and Shivermist
Thu, 02/27/2014 - 00:19
#19
Freeze not necessary
Freeze weapons are not at all necessary. Skip them and you can continue with your normal-only program (for whatever reason you're doing it).
Thu, 02/27/2014 - 14:08
#20
I kept on saying I'd link this and never did.
Finally remembered.
You said normal damage weapons, and here you go.
(Dark retribution works so well against everything it may as well be normal damage)
Thu, 02/27/2014 - 18:59
#21
I use Obsidian Edge and Dark
I use Obsidian Edge and Dark Retribution with great results. i bring super nova for the Polyps and general clean up. My Dragon scale set with Poison and Fire UV's doesn't hurt either. ;-)
Gran Faust is very effective in Compound 42. So is Acheron. So are Umbra Driver, Dark Retribution, and Shivermist Buster, but those don't deal any normal.
Were you asking about pure normal weapons? Sudaruska/Triglav are much like Gran Faust, but doing less damage and swinging more slowly. Leviathan could be good if you had lots of CTR and a tolerant party.