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Thu, 04/03/2014 - 00:56
Dragonvaler

I dunno how to get crowns really fast..
Need help onto stuff like that..
I've heard a lot of people saying do FSC and other missions like tht but i am tired of doing that and also it is very time consuming.
This thread is made to find any tips/tricks to get crowns in SK cuz i have seen lots of people begging for cr bcuz i noe tht they have no fast way to get crowns. Lets get rid of begging and find how to get cr fast.
How do a few vanguards get 1 mil cr +?

Let the tricks out guys we people really need help with this!

Dragonvaler

Thu, 04/03/2014 - 01:49
#1
Midnight-Dj's picture
Midnight-Dj
:/

One word, FSC.

--Rewind an old film--

Hi there fellow recruits! Welcome to your end game grinding paradise! FSC!!! What is FSC you asked?

FSC stands for:

Fire
Storm
Citadel

FSC is the final mission of your poorly designed campain serving no more value other than pathetic story telling! This is a place of firey abyss and hopelessness! And the best thing about this Inferno is that it is 5 depth long! What enemies are you going to fight you asked?

1.Slags or firey zombies
2.Wheels that comes out of nowhere and tries to roll you over
3.Trolljans, 4 on average per each floor
4.Minor turrets and a very annoying one on the 2nd floor
5.Small amount of Jellies
6.Vanaduke AKA, the whole reason why you came to FSC in the first place, he is the final boss BTW

And here are the gears you need to beat FSC with a four men team of worthless knights! Who are willing to die for their faceless order despite the rediculousness of their missions.

Shield: grey owlite shield
Gun: blitz needle, or polaris if you want to get kicked alot
Bomb: shivermist, it is a one way ticket to vanaduke, your final boss
Sword: Any of the brandish except for night blade, DA will do fine, or anything other than shadow weapon
Helmet: divine viel= #YOLOSWAGMLG AKA. the daddy mask of spiral knight(dark soul reference)
Armor: vog cub coat/volcanic demo/volcanic plate mail/grey feather or anything with fire resistance depends on your fighting style

Okay you are geared up and ready to go, hope you luck in reaching 1mil+

Midnight-DJ the valkyrie troll signing out.

Thu, 04/03/2014 - 02:19
#2
Red-Galaxy's picture
Red-Galaxy
@Midnight-Dj

Why would you bring a grey online shield to fsc? You know there is a shield called the crest of admire

Thu, 04/03/2014 - 03:35
#3
Midnight-Dj's picture
Midnight-Dj
@red

Plz do keep in mind that if this is his first time doing FSC, he won't have access to CoA any time soon.

Thu, 04/03/2014 - 03:42
#4
Sandwich-Potato's picture
Sandwich-Potato

Why GoS? BTS and SS are way better.

Why not Acheron? It's so overpowered it's still stronger than CIV against Undead.

Thu, 04/03/2014 - 04:18
#5
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
happy birthday!

What I take and is all you will ever need in FSC

Full chaos set
Blitzneedle
Voltedge
SSB

Thu, 04/03/2014 - 05:13
#6
Skepticraven's picture
Skepticraven
Heh.

Even stratum missions.
FSC may have the highest payout per depth, but one of the highest times to complete the depth.

If you're looking for efficiency, find an even stratum mission that you can complete super fast and stop listening to these players stuck in the old days.
I've got data, even.

Thu, 04/03/2014 - 06:37
#7
Seiran's picture
Seiran

If you run past FSC skipping as many monsters as possible, you can finish it between 20-30 minutes if you have an equally-good partner.

That puts you at about 5k/30 mins + "3k cr" bonus from almirian seals, if you save up seals for ancient armor at 30 seals and sell that to NPC.

So every hour, you'd make about 10k raw CR and 6 tokens. After 5 hours of non-stop FSC speedrunning, that means you'd make at least 80k, with a 30k CR bonus from the ancient armor.

For FSC/boss missions, because of the boss tokens being unrelated to your general performance in the runs, they're essentially 'completion' bonuses, so unless your team can clear rooms in under 10 seconds of fighting, skipping small groups of monsters and reaching the end ASAP is in your best interest.

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However, the ones with millions have either: bought energy with money and then sold it, grinded FSC for an inordinate amount of time, or have gotten lucky merchanting and selling UV'd gear. Back when mist energy was a thing, one of my friends would often log in and craft two pieces of popular gear (brandish/wolver/magic/flourish lines) a day. Once in a while, he'd get a great UV then sell that for 100k+.

When events happen, instead of earning those rare items and saving them for yourself, you can 'sit' on it and wait until after the event period has ended, then sell them for some crazy high price.

For example: To me, "Kat tribe fetish" is worth about 50k. However, it had been over a year since the last event where you could get those. I saw someone desperate to buy them and I said I'd sell one for 200k (AS A JOKE). Eventually, he contacted me, and he bought TWO of them. @_@;

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That said, I'm actually pretty poor (I stay at a balance of under 1k CE), because I don't have anything specific that I'm saving up for, and haven't really played much PVE lately. B|

Thu, 04/03/2014 - 07:13
#8
Skepticraven's picture
Skepticraven
@Seiran

If you run past FSC skipping as many monsters as possible, you can finish it between 20-30 minutes if you have an equally-good partner.
However, the ones with millions have either: bought energy with money and then sold it, grinded FSC for an inordinate amount of time, or have gotten lucky merchanting and selling UV'd gear.

Stop living in the past where FSC was the only thing to do.
I can do plenty of missions getting a better crn/min ratio than your numbers with FSC (including IMF, The Gauntlet, OCH, SotB, and plenty others).
Even check out Lancer Knightz's data for misison payouts.

I've only done FSC once or twice since the forge update (to help guildies become vanguard). It is not fun for me. It is not fun for quite a few other people. Stop suggesting endless grinding. Tell people to vary what they do and have fun.

Thu, 04/03/2014 - 07:34
#9
Krakob's picture
Krakob
  1. Get a minimum wage job.
  2. Get a bank card.
  3. Buy Energy.
  4. ???
  5. More profitable than making money in-game, that's for sure.
Thu, 04/03/2014 - 08:35
#10
Seiran's picture
Seiran

@Krakob:
Spending real money is always the fastest solution in this game.

@Skepticraven:
Where is the time data? LK's data doesn't provide cr/min, and (as far as I've seen) neither does yours.

Show me something better than 16kcr/1hour and I'll gladly amend my views. The OP said that FSC was very time consuming, so I suggested skipping monsters, which is now my preferred playstyle for that run.

However, the ones with millions have either: bought energy with money and then sold it, grinded FSC for an inordinate amount of time, or have gotten lucky merchanting and selling UV'd gear. Back when mist energy was a thing, one of my friends would often log in and craft two pieces of popular gear (brandish/wolver/magic/flourish lines) a day. Once in a while, he'd get a great UV then sell that for 100k+.

Heck, I'd even suggest just merchanting but
1) I don't have a knack for it and don't have any tips.
2) It almost seems to require a certain amount to start off with in the first place.

Thu, 04/03/2014 - 09:13
#11
Skepticraven's picture
Skepticraven
@Sieran

You missed the purpose of my comment, which LK summarized very nicely on the bottom of their page in the FAQ:
"Many players are interested in crowns per minute. However, we do not collect time data, because they would vary so much from player to player."

Want some of my timed data?
Heres a list of personal runs for Bosses. (link that reads Timed Data)

Please show me your FSC data to make sure we make a good comparison. I have enough times recorded to accurately compare. (My 15 minute average is from stepping on the mission lobby elevator to stepping on the final post-boss elevator, including all loadscreen times which on my desktop are about 20 seconds each). I often find that most other people that time their runs ignore loadscreens, running to the elevators, and other things. [Using my timing method, I often cannot get FSC below 35 mins].

Thu, 04/03/2014 - 11:15
#12
Poetry's picture
Poetry
This is the best advice I can

This is the best advice I can offer to new recruits on this topic.

1. If you don't have anything to sell, and you're trying to earn crowns, do not waste time in Haven.
2. Go to a dungeon.
3. Kill enemies.
4. Collect loot.
5. Save your loot.
6. Repeat Steps 2-5 until you have 1 million crowns.
7. Go back to haven.
8. Be proud of yourself for earning what you have.
9. Treat yourself to something nice. You've worked hard :)
10. Direct new recruits to Step 1.

Thu, 04/03/2014 - 15:23
#13
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

Sharking is probably the fastest way of earning money. Wait for newer players to get good items, then buy them off of them for next to nothing and resell them for as high as you can. This, combined with heavy amounts of investing and re-investing, is the best way to compete with minimum wage.

Keep in mind that every single game is your playground as well- if you can find someone in TF2 with earbuds and trade them 3 random drops for it, you're in business for quite a bit of CE.

(And no, I don't do this. But I've seen it done and I've seen the results it can bring in and how quickly it goes if you get good at it. :P)

Thu, 04/03/2014 - 15:33
#14
Dutch-Oven's picture
Dutch-Oven
@ skepticraven

My last solo vana run earned me 8157cr and took 26 minutes from lobby to core, including ~30 second load times and chatting to people along the way.

I admire your enthusiasm for exploring alternatives but fsc still beats everything else for crowns per minute. No other method has given me more c.p.m. than fsc (between 350 and 450). Are you saying SotB gives a better rate than that? Do you really think that if that were the case people would still be doing fsc?

While other runs offer similar payouts and are totally worth doing as a way of earning lots of cr, in terms of efficiency they don't match V.D. and his minions.

I think what's more important than figuring out the best mission payout is setting goals for yourself. If your goal is to acquire 1 million crowns then focus on saving, making canny purchases and sales, and converting everything you find into cr and you'll get there quicker than you'd imagine.

Thu, 04/03/2014 - 15:56
#15
Mayaura's picture
Mayaura
Gaining Wealth in Spiral Knights

Welcome to the best adventure game on the web. And it’s free! In game wealth allows you to enjoy the game even more, so how can you gain it in a way that is both efficient and fun?

First, I strongly recommend that you make at least a one-time purchase of energy with real money, preferably during a promotional event when you’ll get bonus goodies and better deals. Although it’s not necessary, it will help you to accomplish many things at a much faster pace, and frankly, Three Rings deserves some financial compensation and support for this wonderful game.

The best way to gain wealth is to play, and the best levels to play first are the rank missions for both the knowledge and rewards they provide. (Joining a guild may help you to meet players who can assist with these missions.) During the course of play, you will acquire materials and crowns. You may choose to sell some of your materials for crowns in the auction house or to other players directly; however, bear in mind that you will need many of these materials to craft better gear later on. It is best to use your wealth to buy recipes for 2* gear. After you have gained access to tier 2, begin buying recipes from the Basil vendor at level 13 or in the Hall of Heroes found in the Rank Missions. Patiently craft up your gear to 4* level and gain access to tier 3.

After you have completed the Prestige Missions, you may choose to replay certain levels such as the Boss missions for fun or the rewards they provide in terms of crowns, heat, materials, and tokens. Firestorm Citadel (FSC or Vana(duke)) is the most profitable but at 5 levels and an extremely hard boss fight, it requires the greatest time commitment and high level gear. The Tier 2 boss missions, Sovereign Slime and Roarmulus Twins, also pay nicely and can be done much quicker and more easily.

Keep in mind that all of these methods for gaining wealth are just other aspects of the game. Wealth should not be your goal, but rather whatever awesome gear or accessories you can buy with your wealth. It’s all playing. Be kind and polite to your fellow knights, and please refrain from begging.

Thu, 04/03/2014 - 16:42
#16
Seiran's picture
Seiran

@Skepticraven:
- I was going to record a "representative" run (floor by floor) and my computer crashed mid run :(((
Maybe I'll get it one day ;_;
I have a spreadsheet where I was inputting data for Radiant calculations way back, but I think it's more fair if I take data from multiple runs as you have done instead. I'll revisit this thread with that another time.

Scuttlebot's run sounds rather exemplary (I take a longer time to load floors), but either way, my numbers are 'lower bar'/even less efficient monetarily.

Mawashimono:
Wealth should not be your goal, but rather whatever awesome gear or accessories you can buy with your wealth.

^ This summarizes my mindset. I do enough grinding to pay my subscription of 30 day trinket and weapon slots, which lets me play with loadouts I feel are interesting and fun. Aside from that, I'll only really grind if there's an accessory or costume I want to try out (ex: half the shard bomb sets).

Also, @OP: Don't waste money frivolously - since I have what I needed, that 400k that basically came out of nowhere for me disappeared almost instantly when I decided to use them gambling on UVs for my 'fun' weapons at Punch. However, if you're still building real sets, don't do that.

Especially for PVE, instead of trying to roll UVs on single weapons to try to max things out, you can instead aim for trinket slots and trinkets that can apply to all weapons of that type, then use pet perks to make up for the rest - in other words, for the cost of trinket slots and whatever you need to create two 5* speed trinkets, you can suddenly have VH ASI on every single sword you own - all for way cheaper than trying to roll or purchase swords with VH ASI.

Chaos set is a great money-saver as well. Since you get offensive bonuses and CTR for all weapons, you can get to the 'playstyle' and 'effectiveness' of all weapon types without having to make 3+ different sets.

Thu, 04/03/2014 - 19:53
#17
Malterasaur
One word: Fayeth

If its anything money related l would say ask fayeth, word is that she doesnt spend money on the game and has made millions, yes millions of ce yes ce, not cr, she has a shop in the bazaar which l drool over whenever l visit the bazaar section of the forums! If the counters are true her thread has been around for a few months and shes already sold over 2mil ce worth.

Thu, 04/03/2014 - 20:50
#18
Skepticraven's picture
Skepticraven
@Scuttlebot

"I admire your enthusiasm for exploring alternatives but fsc still beats everything else for crowns per minute. No other method has given me more c.p.m. than fsc (between 350 and 450). Are you saying SotB gives a better rate than that? Do you really think that if that were the case people would still be doing fsc?"

My average for SotB is 7 minutes elite full clear [MSI VH helps tons], getting a cpm of about 320 (ignoring the tokens). It is definitely a contender.
My current best is elite OCH at an average of 30 min runs (cpm of 440 including mask fragment at 25,000/3 value).
The idea is that everyone can run different missions at different rates. I can't run elite FSC faster than 35 minutes. OCH has almost a 100crn/min lead on the farming rate for me.

Newer players asking this question aren't going to get anywhere close to these rates. The best suggestion for them is find even stratum missions they can do fast and enjoy. FSC falls under that criteria but IF they cannot do it fast and enjoy it, they should NOT be farming there. Most new vanguards end up using sparks during FSC runs, taking away from their total profit.

Thu, 04/03/2014 - 21:27
#19
Newbyboy's picture
Newbyboy
Gamble

Just roll UV's / Open lockboxes and gamble. Getting accessories/ good uvs makes you instant quick cash. Otherwise, there isn't a fast way to get crowns or energy, it takes a lot of effort and time.

To make as fast crowns as possible, you need capital in which you produce more by using that capital wisely. Once you hit it big with decent UV's, start buying med's and top up some ce to buy other highs. Hold it and wait till people pay big money to get it. You profit more and so on. Most people never get to the 'hit it big' part because Punch/Lockboxes weren't meant to allow everyone to hit it big.

What skepticraven said is right, if you do not have the extremely optimised set-up for fsc, the CPM given by scuttlebot does not apply. The only way is to
1. Go for the best CPM at the moment
2. Work on better equips/uv's
3. Move on to optimising fsc/och and so on
4. Get better CPM
5. Get Capital
6. Gamble
7. Hit it big
8. Become a trader
9. WIN!!

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 05:38
#20
Dutch-Oven's picture
Dutch-Oven
Sorry skeptic, I don't

Sorry skeptic, I don't believe those are your average run times, at least not for full clear. If you can record one of these runs I'll eat my hat, but I've done plenty of OCH and Snarb so I'm willing to bet you can't solo OCH in 30 minutes and get 5000 crowns, or snarby in 7 with 2000. Last OCH run I did gave me 3750cr in 37 minutes and that was no deaths, no stopping to chat, killing everything on my way.

What loadouts do you use for these runs? I'd love to see some videos of you doing these runs if you have the time. I might learn a thing or two, and there aren't any OCH speed runs on youtube at present.

Thing about OCH is it's not viable for new players because it's an eternal orb sink stuck behind a paywall.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 13:26
#21
Skepticraven's picture
Skepticraven
@Scuttlebot

My comp cant handle taking video, since its already below minimum req's for this game.
OCH Loadout = Chaos, Ob Edge, Ob Carb, Nova Driver, Blitz, Pet Seraphynx w/ construct UV.
Tips are: Blitz only for battlepods, Barriers/Ob Carb for mortars, use disintegration ray, and learn where the stalkers spawn to spawn-camp them.
Snarb Loadout = Merc, BTB, Acheron, Blitz, Ob Crusher/Vortex Bomb, Pet Drakon w/ MSI.
Tips are: Vortex boss onto bell [duo is 7 min avg, solo is 9]. BTB has beast UV.

It is very possible. I didn't even think that SotB was doable that fast until a guildie showed me how [they were farming a snarby statue].

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