Why would you bring a grey online shield to fsc? You know there is a shield called the crest of admire

Why GoS? BTS and SS are way better.

Why not Acheron? It's so overpowered it's still stronger than CIV against Undead.

Even stratum missions.
FSC may have the highest payout per depth, but one of the highest times to complete the depth.

If you're looking for efficiency, find an even stratum mission that you can complete super fast and stop listening to these players stuck in the old days.
I've got data, even.

If you run past FSC skipping as many monsters as possible, you can finish it between 20-30 minutes if you have an equally-good partner.
However, the ones with millions have either: bought energy with money and then sold it, grinded FSC for an inordinate amount of time, or have gotten lucky merchanting and selling UV'd gear.

Stop living in the past where FSC was the only thing to do.
I can do plenty of missions getting a better crn/min ratio than your numbers with FSC (including IMF, The Gauntlet, OCH, SotB, and plenty others).
Even check out Lancer Knightz's data for misison payouts.

I've only done FSC once or twice since the forge update (to help guildies become vanguard). It is not fun for me. It is not fun for quite a few other people. Stop suggesting endless grinding. Tell people to vary what they do and have fun.

@Krakob:
Spending real money is always the fastest solution in this game.

@Skepticraven:
Where is the time data? LK's data doesn't provide cr/min, and (as far as I've seen) neither does yours.

Show me something better than 16kcr/1hour and I'll gladly amend my views. The OP said that FSC was very time consuming, so I suggested skipping monsters, which is now my preferred playstyle for that run.

However, the ones with millions have either: bought energy with money and then sold it, grinded FSC for an inordinate amount of time, or have gotten lucky merchanting and selling UV'd gear. Back when mist energy was a thing, one of my friends would often log in and craft two pieces of popular gear (brandish/wolver/magic/flourish lines) a day. Once in a while, he'd get a great UV then sell that for 100k+.

Heck, I'd even suggest just merchanting but
1) I don't have a knack for it and don't have any tips.
2) It almost seems to require a certain amount to start off with in the first place.

This is the best advice I can offer to new recruits on this topic.

1. If you don't have anything to sell, and you're trying to earn crowns, do not waste time in Haven.
2. Go to a dungeon.
3. Kill enemies.
4. Collect loot.
5. Save your loot.
6. Repeat Steps 2-5 until you have 1 million crowns.
7. Go back to haven.
8. Be proud of yourself for earning what you have.
9. Treat yourself to something nice. You've worked hard :)
10. Direct new recruits to Step 1.

My last solo vana run earned me 8157cr and took 26 minutes from lobby to core, including ~30 second load times and chatting to people along the way.

I admire your enthusiasm for exploring alternatives but fsc still beats everything else for crowns per minute. No other method has given me more c.p.m. than fsc (between 350 and 450). Are you saying SotB gives a better rate than that? Do you really think that if that were the case people would still be doing fsc?

While other runs offer similar payouts and are totally worth doing as a way of earning lots of cr, in terms of efficiency they don't match V.D. and his minions.

I think what's more important than figuring out the best mission payout is setting goals for yourself. If your goal is to acquire 1 million crowns then focus on saving, making canny purchases and sales, and converting everything you find into cr and you'll get there quicker than you'd imagine.

@Skepticraven:
- I was going to record a "representative" run (floor by floor) and my computer crashed mid run :(((
Maybe I'll get it one day ;_;
I have a spreadsheet where I was inputting data for Radiant calculations way back, but I think it's more fair if I take data from multiple runs as you have done instead. I'll revisit this thread with that another time.

Scuttlebot's run sounds rather exemplary (I take a longer time to load floors), but either way, my numbers are 'lower bar'/even less efficient monetarily.

Mawashimono:
Wealth should not be your goal, but rather whatever awesome gear or accessories you can buy with your wealth.

^ This summarizes my mindset. I do enough grinding to pay my subscription of 30 day trinket and weapon slots, which lets me play with loadouts I feel are interesting and fun. Aside from that, I'll only really grind if there's an accessory or costume I want to try out (ex: half the shard bomb sets).

Also, @OP: Don't waste money frivolously - since I have what I needed, that 400k that basically came out of nowhere for me disappeared almost instantly when I decided to use them gambling on UVs for my 'fun' weapons at Punch. However, if you're still building real sets, don't do that.

Especially for PVE, instead of trying to roll UVs on single weapons to try to max things out, you can instead aim for trinket slots and trinkets that can apply to all weapons of that type, then use pet perks to make up for the rest - in other words, for the cost of trinket slots and whatever you need to create two 5* speed trinkets, you can suddenly have VH ASI on every single sword you own - all for way cheaper than trying to roll or purchase swords with VH ASI.

Chaos set is a great money-saver as well. Since you get offensive bonuses and CTR for all weapons, you can get to the 'playstyle' and 'effectiveness' of all weapon types without having to make 3+ different sets.

"I admire your enthusiasm for exploring alternatives but fsc still beats everything else for crowns per minute. No other method has given me more c.p.m. than fsc (between 350 and 450). Are you saying SotB gives a better rate than that? Do you really think that if that were the case people would still be doing fsc?"

My average for SotB is 7 minutes elite full clear [MSI VH helps tons], getting a cpm of about 320 (ignoring the tokens). It is definitely a contender.
My current best is elite OCH at an average of 30 min runs (cpm of 440 including mask fragment at 25,000/3 value).
The idea is that everyone can run different missions at different rates. I can't run elite FSC faster than 35 minutes. OCH has almost a 100crn/min lead on the farming rate for me.

Newer players asking this question aren't going to get anywhere close to these rates. The best suggestion for them is find even stratum missions they can do fast and enjoy. FSC falls under that criteria but IF they cannot do it fast and enjoy it, they should NOT be farming there. Most new vanguards end up using sparks during FSC runs, taking away from their total profit.

Sorry skeptic, I don't believe those are your average run times, at least not for full clear. If you can record one of these runs I'll eat my hat, but I've done plenty of OCH and Snarb so I'm willing to bet you can't solo OCH in 30 minutes and get 5000 crowns, or snarby in 7 with 2000. Last OCH run I did gave me 3750cr in 37 minutes and that was no deaths, no stopping to chat, killing everything on my way.

What loadouts do you use for these runs? I'd love to see some videos of you doing these runs if you have the time. I might learn a thing or two, and there aren't any OCH speed runs on youtube at present.

Thing about OCH is it's not viable for new players because it's an eternal orb sink stuck behind a paywall.