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Why I believe Sudaruska and Triglav to be better than Gran Faust and Divine Avenger

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Lun, 07/30/2012 - 14:47

#51

Phaseburst

Someone Actually Gets It

Doc gets a +5, also, have someone else do Electron Vortex, while you do Triglav, LDers get shocked (The moment you release) and then get pulverized, perhaps frozen for another charge attack }=D

Lun, 07/30/2012 - 14:54

#52

Fehzor

All weapons are for specific situations, and no two weapons are completely alike. Its unfair even to compare something as similar as the BAB with the Nitronome... but you CAN compare any two weapons per their roles by looking at them, and then by looking at what else could fill their roll and how well each does it.

In this case, DA/GF are relatively poor weapons to fill the role of primary elemental/shadow damage swords, whereas Sudaruska/Triglav provide arguably the best gunner side weapons for most situations.

Lun, 07/30/2012 - 21:26

#53

Derpules

@Fehzor

I don't understand your FSC scenario (the room with four fire pits and the zombies). There's nothing wrong with DA there: just use it to, y'know, attack the zombies. They will die. It is not difficult.

DA could have *no* charge and I'd still prefer it to Suda/Triglav for pure effectiveness. GF likewise. In fact, I've barely used the GF charge since I swapped my CTR High for an ASI Med [+ CTR Low + Slime High]. I haven't really missed it.

DA/GF are not for charging (although their charges can be used well). They are for hitting things with. Compare them with Suda/Triglav if you really must, but declaring the latter the winner because their charge is less glitchy is really wrong-headed.

"you CAN compare any two weapons per their roles by looking at them, and then by looking at what else could fill their roll and how well each does it"

But that's useless unless you also compare the roles being filled, and whether they really need filling. Cautery Sword is the best 3* normal damage, non-charge sword against slimes. So?

As a sword-user, I've never thought "man, if only I had a Suda right now". Often it would be nice, but not so much nicer (if at all) than the alternative I have to hand.

"In this case, DA/GF are relatively poor weapons to fill the role of primary elemental/shadow damage swords"

I lul'd.

Lun, 07/30/2012 - 21:51

#54

Fehzor

That is because you are a swordy... Suda would have no use to you, as you already have other swords that are good against things. Cautery Sword IS better than other swords at that level if you are a bomber, although it is a bad temporary solution compared to every other sword unless you plan to stop playing before getting to 4*, and as such, is worthless.

DA/GF may be good for hitting things, but brandish lines will still perform better. Again with the picking points out of context and misusing them against me. You copied the conclusion and posted that you laughed at it without thinking about all of my other posts where I explained how the brandish lines are better in general as swords go.

Perhaps I should make a post regarding every single weapon and how I see everything? That would be fun to argue. LETS DEUX IT!

Mar, 07/31/2012 - 00:04

#55

Derpules

But now you're breaking your own rule.

"DA/GF may be good for hitting things, but brandish lines will still perform better."

Arguably so--but aren't they fulfilling different roles? DA/GF for hitting things, Brandish for spamming the charge. Ergo, can't compare them.

The UV market bears out my analysis: ASI is highly prized on DA/GF, whereas CTR is highly prized on Brandishes (ASI on them sells for crap). Of course, most users don't need the UV market to tell them that the two have different roles, but if you don't know this already, the market is a useful indicator.

In short: you conclude that Suda/Triglav are better than DA/GF at their respective roles because you miscategorise and misunderstand the DA/GF's role. There is no better ele or shadow sword for dealing damage through normal attacks.

Mar, 07/31/2012 - 00:52

#56

Fehzor

Here, I wrote about it in my new thread, please read it. http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/61167

Mar, 07/31/2012 - 14:53

#57

Uuni

@Fehzor There is no such

@Fehzor
There is no such situation where you wouldn't know that you will be fighting beasts. You can always tell it from the elevator and even in FSC where there's like 4 wolves in the entire run it's not worth wasting all that advantage that DA gives over those 4 enemies. GF will crush beasts with 241 - 234 + 338 - 363 damage combo whereas troika line gets only 241-288 + 297-321 combo

GF hits for average of 588, faster, and has a chance to inflict curse
Troika line hits for 573.5, slower, and triglav has a chance to inflict freeze
Even DA hits for 369, faster, but no status

The benefits outweigh the downsides

Mar, 07/31/2012 - 15:39

#58

Fehzor

@Uuni

One time I found a danger room that looked like this- http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/540679788132171908/A94FD828408220B1ECD...

It was on a slime/gremlin level (not a beast one though, for sure), and it spawned a trojan which broke boxes to spawn beasts, and oh dear, did it spawn beasts.

Keep in mind that about half of what I play are danger rooms from the arcade, which SHOULD be an accurate depiction of what the average player that isn't grinding 24/7 is running.

Mar, 07/31/2012 - 23:22

#59

Derpules

Not going to read a whole thread

for your response to one simple point.

The DA/GF's role is direct non-charge damage. You are misclassifying it, and your declaration that Suda/Trig > DA/GF (because of the charge) is based purely on this misclassification.

Please respond here, if you have a response.

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