Spiral Knights - Playable Gremlins

Playable Gremlins

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Sat, 04/07/2012 - 09:57

Eternal-Koniko

My suggestion is to let players have an option when they make a new character or create their first character, to be able to choose between Knight, Emberlite, Or Great Colony Gremlin.

Great Colony Gremlins

For Great Colony Gremlins, The Great Colony will function as their Haven. These Gremlins goal are to maintain the clockworks and struggle to Haven to kill the knights. When they get to Haven, the last elevator wont work for them, thus they must leave just like the knights do when they reach the core. The Gremlins tier system will function differently, it will start at the area around the core being Tier 1, and going upward, making the area closest to the Arcade Tier 3. Gremlin Tier Chart The core, that the knights see isn't the actual core, its just the outer core. Inside the outer core is the Great colony. At the middle of the colony is the Actual core that radiates Energy. The entire Gremlin colony is powered by it. The colony has lights that glow with the energy blue color. Tinkinzar's Castle surrounds the energy core and limits common gremlins from getting to it. So basically the core is still sealed. The gremlins will have an auction house too, but the Gremlin and Knight Auctions don't mix. Only the material auctions and Usable auctions can mix. The gremlins will have unique armors and weapons too. Heres a monster family chart for the enemies the gremlins will meet in the clockworks, Monster Chart . The gremlins armor the knights see are default basically, the armor they wear are like the Cobalt/Calibur lines to the knights. That being said in the clockworks the gremlins will see knights wearing Cobalt line and using calibur line. The gremlins don't have to fight Slimes and Devilites because the Gremlins have an alliance with them. There should be a PVP game called Gremlin Arena or something, where real Player knights can fight real player gremlins. When knights get informed about updates and whatnot, they get it from Spiral HQ. Gremlins will get it from the Crimson Order. The subtowns before Tier 2 will be the Royal Jelly Palace, and before T3, is the Devilite Offices. The Devilites offices is where the Mewkat's Dark Ritual is supposed to take it.

Emberlite Gremlins

They will start in Emberlight, that being like their haven. Their Tier system is a bit messed up. The area above Emberlight is Their Tier 1. The area right below Haven is their Tier 2 and once they get to Haven, they jump on an elevator that takes them back to Emberlight. If they have Tier 3 clearance, they can jump on the Tier 3 elevator that takes them to Tier 3. Emberlite Tier Map . Subtown before Tier 2 will be Moorcroft Manor. subtown before Tier 3 will be Haven and Emberlight. Their enemies will be the same as the Knights and their armor more or less will be similar to the Great Colony Gremlin's armor.

All I ask in return for my ideas is the name Gremlic reserved for my gremlin character

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 10:32

Sacrontine

Why are some people

Why are some people so obsessed with gremlins? Even after Crimson Hammer people are still requesting more gremlin weapons and armour, and this isn't the first thread I've seen requesting playable gremlins (although this one is certainly the most ambitious. I mean, can you fathom how much you're asking for here?)

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 10:25

Soulstaker

Check the suggestion forums

Check the suggestion forums again.

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 10:39

Luguiru

I blame furries

Look at this for relevant armor.

Look at this for some combat and mechanics.

In your picture you forgot the fiend and jelly families.

In this picture the tier system is incorrect; in your post you are essentially claiming the end of T3 is actually the beginning of further combat yet the core is visible when you get to floor 29.

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 11:53

Eternal-Koniko

I took out fiends and slimes because I stated they were allied with the gremlins. I also don't understand what you said about further combat, I did not intend or write anything about combat after Tier 3. Yes, I do fathom how much work it would take. I would be surprised if they did attempt this. I'm sure even if they started right now, that it would be months upon monthes, If not a year or two before we even see an update containing this. No, I am not a fan of furries. I love Gremlins and I want to know more about them and King Tinkinzar. It would bring more money and popularity to OOO as well.

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 13:05

Commander-Derpo

This is Cool

People look at it this way it's a very cool idea although unlikely to happen soon it's good that he thought of this.

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 13:13

Luguiru

This Is Unoriginal

Fiends do shadow, gremlins are weak to shadow, it makes no sense for them to be allied. Jellies have no brain to conceive alliance. You want these playable gremlins to have their own equipment yet contribute nothing for new content. You need to explain why this would bring money and popularity to the company. Starting a sentence with or making the title "uh" automatically makes you incompetent.

Just like this fodder, a thread has been made long ago for the same thing. Creating more threads for the same thing only bumps them off the first page where they should be while the unnecessary threads are dropped anyway.

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 13:29

Eternal-Koniko

Since When does a Title convey your Intelligence?

Since when does weakness have to do with an alliance. If jellies don't have the intelligence to make alliances, how did they have the intelligence to choose a ruling monarch. How did The Ice Queen usurp the Royal Jelly without being intelligant.

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 13:39

Alpha-Stevo

Gremlins and Devilites are

Gremlins and Devilites are already stated to work together in missions. Dunno where the idea of Jellies and Gremlins working together comes from, though.

And simple: she just bumped into him until he fell off the stage.

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 13:48

Eternal-Koniko

Jelly

The thing with Jellies, I have just always gotten the feeling that Jellies and Gremlins are allied. The Gremlins rule the clockworks, so Im assuming the Gremlins at least aren't enemies with the Jellies, because the Jellies have their own palace, and If Gremlins didn't want that, I'm sure they would do something about it

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 13:55

#10

Commander-Derpo

gremlins and jellies

i doubt they are allies but that doesn't mean that they are enemies.

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 15:18

#11

Sacrontine

It's a no mans land

Honestly I wouldn't be too sure gremlins "rule" the clockworks. You think Vanaduke and his burning skeleton flunkies pay them rent?

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 15:41

#12

Psychodestroyer

.......

Starting a sentence with or making the title "uh" automatically makes you incompetent.

Somewhat glad this guy hasn't seen my other 9001 or so previous posts...

Or a lot of regular forumers' 9002 previous posts...

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 15:48

#13

Commander-Derpo

lol

Psyhchodestroyer just lol

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 16:05

#14

Luguiru

JoJ

Not all regular forum users are competent.

I am currently inside out.

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 16:31

#15

Eternal-Koniko

UH UH UH UH, I can say it as much as I want

Yes Vanaduke does, the Sprites are the tax collectors and thats why he locked them up. Now on a serious note, Its stated Gremlins maintain and build the clockworks. So I would be assuming they have power over it. The Gremlins probably are reluctant to do anything about Vanaduke because of his power.

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 17:47

#16

Bluebrawler

the gif speaks for itself about this topic

http://gifs.gifbin.com/042009/1239883733_Angry_Video_Game_Nerd.gif

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 17:57

#17

Commander-Derpo

...

You guys know your off topic right?

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 18:23

#18

Tarnrazar

LOL!

guys, you GOTTA admit gremlins are sorta cute and devious, if this gets in the game, i am SO gonna pay you

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 20:07

#19

Commander-Derpo

ok?

i still prefer knights though i will most likely have a character that is a gremlin if this happens which it should since this is epic

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 22:07

#20

Kentard

Seriously.

Another I <3 Gremlin Thread...
If you guys want to discuss things like Gremlin and Fiend alliances, PLEASE Treasure Vault this.
We Suggestion posters don't need to see this useless palaver over in-game lore.

It would bring more money and popularity to OOO as well.
Any new content is probably likely to bring more money to OOO.
Prove to me why your suggestion of playing as Gremlins is even more likely to do so, as it caters only to a small niche of players out there.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 06:43

#21

Commander-Derpo

well

as garlicveggie said, it's highly unlikely any of this will happen and if it does it'll be years before it does

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 08:44

#22

Eternal-Koniko

I am still saying Staying Uh

Well it would make players start completely over, have to get new armor, new everything. I will assure there will be enough P2P people to make their wallet recognize it. Why should I treasure vault it? Its a suggestion, Not a story about Devilites and Gremlins. I mentioned Devilites in one line of the Original post. I'm like 80% sure, that Devilites and Gremlins do have an alliance, I sorta remember a mission saying they are. I will be sure to go find this mission of course. If I cant, then we can regard the part about Devilites as fanfic. But A major reason in the original post I took out Devilites and Slimes is so we could fight Knights and Strangers

EDIT: Oh no it can't be... Evidence

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 08:52

#23

Softhead

-_-

"After Recon Knights discovered a fiendish city known as Sol' Fork, Spiral HQ deployed a research team to station itself in the heart of the city and study the devilites within. Their findings have become the basis for our understanding of devilite culture and their motives for working with gremlins. " Whipping and Mishandling description snipit.

"Analysis of the data collected from these offices indicates that devilite corporations are outsourced by gremlins in order to design and manage various projects that include weapons specifically engineered to target Spiral Knight squads. " Snip it from Work for Idle Hands description.

Nothing about slimes...

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 08:59

#24

Eternal-Koniko

<_>

I wasn't looking to prove Slimes, I was proving to Kentard that Devilites and Gremlins work together

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 10:12

#25

Kentard

And I'm not interested in that.

Let me simplify this to you:

I don't care about Devilites and Gremlins working together.

Question is, why is it so important that you have to advocate playing as Gremlins as a new feature, despite the fact that this suggestion only caters to a handful of people?

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 12:25

#26

Luguiru

Simplification

He means what would it bring, in terms of new content, to the game? Do they get something our regular knights do not? Do they have special skills or attacks unavailable to knights?

As far as I am concerned people want it to satisfy their obsession with humanoid animals without considering how it would benefit the company they ask to make it. Imagine an employee asking their boss for a raise for no reason other than they want a higher wage.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 13:15

#27

Eternal-Koniko

Gremlin Idea

I do not want Gremlins to be playable because of them being humanoid animals. I want them to be in the game because it would advance the lore of the game, let players see the ideas and thoughts of the Gremlins. Gremlins could bring money to OOO, it would spark new interest for players who are getting bored with the game. I expect their gameplay to be different in ways from Knights, but I expect it to be similar as well. Little changes in gameplay would be it fun. In example, gremlins could have 6 people in a party, in exchange gremlins having less health capacity or less powerful weapons. Gremlins's Rank missions could be centered around progressing to becoming a Darkfang, or possibly a member of the Crimson Order, though being in the crimson order would take the uniqueness away from them. Gremlin missions could involve things like delivering parts for machines to NPC gremlins in the clockworks. I am just making a suggestion, I am not a developer for this game, there for I don't need to come up with all the exact details of this. I am trying to get the idea flowing and get the ball rolling, the Developers for the game could do a much better job of making ideas then I can.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 13:29

#28

Luguiru

In other words

This would just be a promotional for the game lore which the majority ignore and to reiterate the storyline. You also want to have six people in a party at once.

"I am just making a suggestion, I am not a developer for this game, there for I don't need to come up with all the exact details of this."

Obviously you do not understand what "suggestions" means.

Look at all of these and tell me you do not need details for an idea to deserve to be implemented.

Jelly version of Operation: Crimson Hammer with original ideas
Haven overrun by enemies in the Clockworks
Adaptive difficulty
An equipment project by Kentard with significant information and content
Glove weapons

There are more threads like these and more will be created by creative people. If you think suggestions implemented are made exclusively and solely by developers then never return to this forum.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 13:46

#29

Eternal-Koniko

Suggestion

Suggestion=An idea or plan put forward for consideration . I put forth an Idea, I want it to be considered, I made a suggestion. Yes, Developer do solely make the content, as in they make the models, they animate it, and what ever else needs to be done. I am here to suggest, not to give them a big thread detailing everything. I can only suggest what I think should be in the game, If I told them exactly and EVERYTHING, then it would give no room for them to make better ideas pertaining to this subject. I don't care how snobby, rude or snarky you want to be, you do not control my actions nor my words. If you don't like my idea, Comment once and get over it.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 15:47

#30

Luguiru

Stop whining

You obviously did not look through any of the links. Go through them before reading the rest of this post.

Suggestions put forward in this forum begin either with a simple concept, such as this, or begin with content thought through and worked on. That does not mean they get anywhere or die immediately, unless the concept is too stupid to exist; "invincible armor which costs half craft prices at all ranks". Several of the linked threads have images to reference for their ideas which may be used by the developers as they please.

Which is more likely to be considered for implementation (more than one may apply):

1- "I want a weapon that looks like a sword for a sword and stuff."
2- "I want something because I want it."
3- "I want this because it would encourage the community to make you more money for these reasons."
4- "I have these ideas for new content which will encourage the community to spend more to gain these items and I have enough content for you to work with."
5- "I want my character to look like something because I want it and have no viable reasons."

For the slow readers and Iops, you are saying option five.

This idea is unoriginal and has been attempted in the past; I remember seeing it here a few months ago but died due to lack of content. Content implemented into the game based on suggestion threads are long and well developed. The developers, contrary to common belief, are not able to read your mind. The more information given the better. "I want this" is not enough information to invest their time and resources to satisfy the miniscule amount of people who want to play as Gremlins. There has to be reasons. If this thread were an argument it would be something like this:

"I want this, use your time and money to do it."
"Why? We have better things to do."
"But I want it now!"
"We have more important things to do, like balancing existing items and missions."
"But I want it now!"
"Say we do give it to you; how would that benefit us for spending our resources on it?"
"But I want it now!"
"Would it create anything new other than different character appearance?"
"But I want it now!"
"Do players get something out of it which does not exist already?"
"But I want it now!"
"I am leaving."
"But I want it now!"

Whining does not help you. I do not want to control your actions, I know where you have been. I will not get over it until you either admit this thread lacks content or provide thereof.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 10:47

#31

Eternal-Koniko

Thread Is Gone Dead, Bye!

I never said it provided a lot of content. Im sorry for trying

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 11:04

#32

Blue-Phaze

Remove the shadow copy if you

Remove the shadow copy if you want it gone!!!!!!!

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 14:25

#33

Serell

Veggie, no need to necro

Veggie, no need to necro this.
Just ignore Luguiru.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 17:51

#34

Eternal-Koniko

o-o

I didnt necro this, I edited my post.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 11:06

#35

Eternal-Koniko

o-o

(How do I delete double posts)

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 18:07

#36

Serell

Waffles

Editing bumps it up like adding another post would :3

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 19:56

#37

Fehzor

I think that gremlins should

I think that gremlins should just invade haven.

Their T1 should be the clockworks, and their T2 should be the rescue camp. Their T3 should be the area outside of AH.

Essentially, you've got the knights trying to play through the game, and the gremlins trying to slaughter them in Haven while they look through auctions to make crowns...

Gremlins would use crowns instead of energy for all energy like things, and would steal knight's energy, which they would in turn use as money. They would be able to purchase cr from OOO with USD, but would be unable to get it anywhere else... they'd trade CE for CR. Knights killing them would steam their crowns, if they chose to rev. Similarly, knights choosing to rev due to a gremlin death would give the CE to the gremlin that killed them. If a knight in Haven did not revive, his acc would be deleted on the spot. Gremlins would generate 6.5K MC (mist crowns) each day. Gremlins would kill snipes to get generated CE from them.

This is gonna be hilarious.... think about it- The CE market for knights would go up due to gremlins converting CE to Gremlin side CE, and the CR market on the gremlin side would rise a lot due to knights killing and stealing gremlin CR to the knight side.

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