i cant see a player using this when he faces turrets, spike traps and monsters. because i think most of the game is base on using last minute decision to dodge, attack, or shield. its a fast pace game. so how would we be able to use this new device in a fast pace situation. otherwise are they gonna have to retreat all the time and try to use their device where the monsters cant hit them directly.

i just cant see a player be able to come out alive in a danger room with this weapon or an arena. it just doesn't feel reliable. its a nice idea though, i just cant see the exact way it can be used.

this idea makes sense because we are suppose to be technological and be able to use that tech in battle, but i don't see this idea being reliable in a dangerous situation.

Blue beat me to the punch.

actually you could use the engineer similar to the TF2 engineer. you setup the turret (start would add more firepower/weapons to the turret). also, you have 1 summoned 'pet' that would do all the attacking for you. it would be like the energy knight you see in some of the levels (maybe even make that as the 0 or 1 start). You could get alchemy paths setup to eventually craft Trojans (or do trojan alchemy lines).

I'd even go as far to say have a love puppy that the engineer could plop down (limit it to 3 seconds with a 1-3 minute cooldown timer) that heals for x over 3 seconds (would scale from surface to core). if the reusable item is too OP then the item could be consumed but then limits would have to be setup for them.

Weapons for the Engineer could be Wrench (we have a few of those already), datapad, etc.

I slapped this thread on my index of stuff here in the wrong section, being in the mix rather than to be addressed. Derp.

Seeing as this is its own weapon it should only be usable with its own weapons. In other words, the construction/summon is useless if you switch to another weapon. No one says attacking with the weapon used to build/summon is not allowed to be able to attack. Since engineering is based on technology and not the other silly types of enemies in the Clockworks I assume the construction/summoning only involves construct family enemies. Robots. Beep boop.

Before continuing I must point out that in order to use a weapon you must be holding it. Take the TF2 example, you need a wrench to build something. You started with a device to select what you want to build, but why steal even more from TF2? Since there are several options of construct family enemies (Lumber, Retrode, Mecha Knight, Scuttlebot, Gun Puppy) to build something you may as well have different weapons for each. However, if you switch away from that weapon for ten seconds the constructed ally falls apart and you have to wait for a cooldown which appears as a status effect. This effect prevents building of any kind for thirty seconds though one of the potential weapon specialist branches can decrease that cooldown. The symbol for the status could be a red circle with a slash or a hard hat with a crack in it. Back to the weapons, each construction tool has a specific enemy which it can create. Each weapon also has a very weak melee attack and only has normal damage (by "weak" I mean less than twenty in D29) in various combo patterns; the charge attack is the building part. Obviously different constructions will have different charge times, the stronger the ally the longer the charge time. Lumbers would have the longest while Scuttlebots would have the shortest. Each construction weapon can only create one building at a time. If you switch from that tool your built ally is disabled for ten seconds, after which it will collapse and the half minute cooldown status comes into play. Stick to the building or shut up. The tool itself can be upgraded as all weapons do, which in turn makes the constructed ally more powerful scaling to the tier; for the sake of simplicity it starts at 3* with T1 based allies, upgrades to 4* to have T2 based allies, and ends with 5* to have T3 based allies. This is to prevent dirt poor players from running around and vomiting robots everywhere. Recipes for these tools would be exclusively available from Basil. Not in the Hall, not Vatel, not some other moron; Basil in T2 and T3 only. That means if you want to play with the new toys you have to go back into the Arcade. Punk. Each tool can only build a specific type of ally (Lumber, Retrode, Mecha Knight, Scuttlebot, Gun Puppy) and the star rank of the tool determines the tier rank of the built ally. For UVs it would have the same bonuses a sword can have, except charge time is significantly more important since that is the primary use of the weapon. However, there are also construction tool exclusive UVs: status affiliated constructions. For example, say a wrench builds a turret; when you crafted it from 3* to 4* you got a fire affiliation UV. When you go to use that wrench now it makes a Red Rover or Rocket Puppy instead of the normal Gun Puppy; both the rocket and fire turrets have the ability to inflict fire so something would have to differentiate between them. This means you want UVs on your wrench or whatever. This also means you will be harassing Punch and vomiting all your crowns down the drain. Can you say crown sink? Due to the variety of effects a sword could potentially get as a UV such as family bonuses, the UV on the tool effects what it built except for charge bonuses. For example, say you got some attack speed on your turret making wrench. Now your turret fires faster. Punk. What if you got a stupid family bonus UV? You can still use your wrench to hit things for all of ten damage, but your same turret now also does more damage to whatever family the tool which made it has a UV for. What if you have a Swifstrike which gives universal attack speed on you, what happens then? It affects the wrench, it affects the construction. Punk. You better take those weapon bonuses. Since this is its own weapon type other weapon bonuses do not apply, such as the gun damage on Shadowsun. You have to get the "engineer" armor for bonus effects.

For those who still have both eyes in their noggin after reading all that I will continue with even more of my own take on this here because I will probably babble on for a page or something ridiculous.

Assimilate all life into robot-ness. Make giant Megazord. Destroy Haven. Beep boop.

I transplanted that post over to my thread over there and glued some more stuff on its face.

Building other families seems weird. Not as weird as a crab pretending to be a hat, but fairly strange. Summoning them would make even less for the same reasons there is no magic around here. Take your magic and get out of here, go perform at birthday parties or something. If it stays with robots then only other robots and their creators will have more effective damage on your robotic allies. The robots on either side deal more damage to each other but deal less damage to the element-resistant creators if you have that kind of armor on. Actually, my next trick for my thread will be to make armor for this.

Try these pants on.

So my bit...

Monster class > Damage type > Robot's damage type
Makes sense right? And they could even have the same weaknesses (thought this might screw around with how/ where you use them, since their weaknesses and damage types don't reflect each other...)

Moving with the robot:
While controlling the robot, you "become" it right? So while you are wandering around as that, your knight body is following it mindlessly. Monsters may aggro you only, so your body doesn't get hit, etc, when the robot is destroyed, you are sent back into the knight body, where you are now vulnerable to monsters. Yay!

Weapons:
Basically some of what Luguiru said above, UV's apply normally to the robot, while you attacking it can boost its power (exactly as engineers from TF2). Not much else to say, they could also be very weak in power, but have very large amounts of knockback (so the point is, as an engineer person thing, you use the robots, not the weapons)

Armor:
Since when you use the robot, it's essentially a meat shield, your armor could give you little to no health boost, so you are already more vulnerable to monsters. They could also have unique boosts for this class such as building time reduction, "boosting" time reduction, etc etc

LD............................................................................................... (to be continued)

Knight, Magic doesn't exist in this game.

All "Elemental" attacks are energy, explosive or mechanical based ones.

This game is heavilly about machinery.

I have seen games before Tf2 have an engineer role, so screw it.

I dont know... Seems a pretty cool idea, but if this were to come true, more and more people would be engineers. Im pretty happy with the 3. -1

So many minions or robot will cause lag.

Aplauses, how is this going to lag?
It's just one more mob on the screen that you have to render.
if it is THAT laggy you could pick up a 25$ Video card.

This could actually be a viable idea if there was some way to make it properly fit with the gameplay. I do like the idea of setting up a turret but if something like that were to be used in LD I can see many complaints on the forums about it.

This was really clever, you included much description, I hope it comes to reality and hopefully BRING BACK TORTODRONES

Reminds me of LEGO Universe. Nice sounding, tough. You have my support.

Yea, I'm a little confused how people keep talking about how there are classes in spiral knights. Because there aren't. At all. In any way.

Though I always thought of bombs as spells.

"At all. In any way."

Actually, there are, in a way.

Gunners, Swordsmen, and Bombers, Hybrids...Tribrids?

Bombers are support, Gunners are 'Assassins' and Swordmen are 'Warriors'.

Whatever way you wanna look at it.

Wait, how are you defining "class."

Do you mean as in "striker," "tank," "healer," and "support?"

Ah, I just think a better and more accurate way of looking at Spiral Knights weapons is as melee, ranged, and area of effect rather then as classes, since classes implies certain things which aren't really true of spiral knights.

To return to the original topic, that's one of the reasons I don't think they will or should make this a weapon type. They already have melee, ranged, and area of effect as ways to attack enemies. Which are really the three most fundamental types of attack so having a 4th weapon type is just kinda pointless. It doesn't add anything to the game and just creates a massively huge problem with designing the weapons and balancing them around everything else in the game.

Also the summons would either be player or AI controlled. If the summon is player controlled, why bother having it? No, seriously, why? If it shoots projectiles why not just use a gun yourself? If it causes damage around itself, why not just use a bomb? If it attacks things next to it, why not just use a sword?

Now the other possibility, AI controlled. Now with this either the thing you summon requires you to keep it as your weapon, meaning you will just be running around avoiding hits while your AI fights for you. This is a terrible idea since you are no longer playing the game, you are watching it. Or you can summon it and then switch to a weapon and fight along side it. This would mean basically having an infinite amount of mecha knight capsules. It would also mean you could effectively use both your weapons at once, which is in no way balanced.

After giving it some thought, I believe we need to expand on this a bit more. There are a number of good ideas out there that don't fit the sword/gun/bomb trichotomy well, such as the Magnitude, and I think that turning them into gadgets to be used by engineers is the way to go.

Well, I really don't see how they are gonna introduce this "class" into the game................In a lot of missions, it is mentioned that Spiral HQ is still unsure how constructs "reproduce". This shows that they don't no much (or nothing at all) about constructs besides the fact that they're weak to Elemental damage and resist piercing damage. I can't imagine a Knight building a Mecha Knight in a matter of seconds...............

Just look at Bosco! (http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Bosco) He's been trying to fix that Mecha Knight for about 3 years now!!!