"If a decent amount of levels are added, people wont be bored from playing the same levels over and over again (a personal problem that I and several older members are having)"

This.Is.Wrong. We do need new levels, but with new enemies too. There is room for some puzzles and interesting mazes, but the core of your average arcade level is to move from room A to room B while killing any enemy in between.

Most levels will feel the same, with circular rooms instead of squared or brambles instead of spikes and silkwings instead of menders.

The idea helps, but you're glorifying it too much. It's just a temporary fix and only a few true new levels will be created.
-Half of them will be average levels, with the niche of monsters of opposite defenses/damage for challange. (compounds without minis)
-he other half will be puzzles with switches and doors, but as much as I'd like mind games, they will clash with the simple style of the clockworks. I'll be testing them all day, but developers would never approve them.

This game isn't an FPS where map design actually matters. Make beautifull maps, they'll impress me, but I'll still get bored killing dat wolver again, and you will, too.

Go do an FSC run. If it wasn't for the wooden wheels and shadow fire, isn't it just one big clockwork tunnel with a different background?

All you're really doing is trying to remove it carefully without damaging the blueprints.

Well, if all you're doing is removing dust from blue prints how does the level itself come to be, I see what you're doing, but it's not quite complete. What could happen is show a cutscene where you finish the blueprints, but then a bunch of gremlins come in and steal the blueprints. /shrug The best I have. Of course, this is your idea, not mine. ;)

I was thinking about kickstarter and how that sort of model could be used as a template.

Instead of having a currency to vote and separate item drops as rewards for running instances, and instead of having two separate test stages, if you're going to have a pay wall to get the DLC in the first place, I may have another idea.

Basically, construction pieces would be used to make levels, support levels, and as a reward for testing levels. Basically, my thinking is this - to create a level, you'd have to have X number of construction pieces that you'd have to wager. Then, whenever a player completes your map for the first time, one of those pieces is subtracted and given to the tester. The tester then has the option of supporting your level by spending his own construction pieces, say, five of them, in order to boost the number of construction pieces on the level. If the level of pieces on the level falls too low (above zero though), then the level is failed to kickstart. If a level rises high enough though, then after inspection by 000, the level can pass, and everyone who supported the map gets a small gift box with unique random costume/accessory pieces along with the creator getting his own unique gift box that has different rewards. The number of construction pieces on a map isn't shown though, and since 000 has to inspect the final product anyways, you don't necessarily have to worry about people collaborating to boost blank maps so that all parties can get rewarded.

I think that may be more intuitive than what I myself proposed at first.

Purchasable with energy I guess. Buying the DLC could give you a starter box with construction pieces, and you could spend energy to buy more. The idea would be that they'd be a semi-precious resource that you wouldn't want to burn carelessly - it would eliminate a lot of the issues with people making obscene or blank maps if doing so would result in your construction pieces being depleted needlessly. People would only spend their pieces to make and support top-tier content otherwise they wouldn't get any return on them.

Suggest a downloadable "Tool" on steam, like every other level editor. You can then upload finished levels to the NEW SK steam workshop. OOO can test these out for themselves if they need to implement anything.

I think this would make things MUCH easier.

Nepetatheleo, i would like to see user levels and all. i honestly agree.

But something i dont agree its user map give players: Loot. because i dont even need to make a jokemap which will make everything easy and give everything for drop to the player, this can be exploited easily even if you set an amount of CR and mats to be dropped in the map. so honestly not Loot, not Cr, no rarities, no mats dropped from user maps.

(for example i could make a map where melee enemies get stuck in a small fence so they can be hit with guns or swords easily without risk and get a easy loot ). and in that way i wouldnt need to make a joke map.

also the other point is if Devs need to reviews the map i honestly wouldnt like that, sure we could have a control quality in the maps but this takes time to devs to decide and even "adjust" stuff for players and honestly i prefeer they waste their time in develop new real content for players instead checking player stuff.

also a bad side is if they set a "voting" system which can be easily fooled.

BUT there a way that a level editor would work without need devs check the map, so everyone would be happy.

<<<< upkeep system for maps >>>>
lets agree something, user maps uploaded would require server memory, because if it hosted on the user side who made the map, would give you lag if the user lives away from you, also if the players who want to play such map host the game players would lag too if the host its bad connection.

so how could work? user level editor could be part of a Guild Hall Feature,e this would "Limit" who can make a map, well either can be a guild hall feature or a DLC feature, once the player have made a map, they can upload in a new section of spiral knights (this why i would prefeer why user level should be a guild hall feature because can be uploaded in something like a channel were guilds can upload the maps and show it to every guild or player without guild) depending on the size of the map will increase the costi n CR to keep your map UP in the server. so in this way we could make another crown sink, and we dont going to feed up the server with tons of useless, joke maps, since the Upkeep can be kinda high, so people who want to keep their map in the server should pay (can be weekly)so in this way no matter if your map is a joke map, always you pay the upkeep of your map you can keep it as much as you want << in this way we dont going to need devs review the map so they can work on better stuff even improving the level editor

the price would be determined by the size of the map and the number of puzzles you need to solve.

<<<< Design Mode >>>>
if this Level editor end as DLC. i guess this would be a place where players can choose the tiles, theme, music, etc. and you have predetermined assets of the game (like slopes, bridges, etc you get the idea) since we dont going to add "loot" to the enemies, we can add (but of course with some limits of the numbers of enemies which players can add in the map) many enemies we want, but here is the catch, each enemie would have a price in Cr. or if you like another mat sink, will cost mats to craft the "enemies" in your map.

sure there could be a limit (idk maybe max 40 monsters per map) once you have done your map the map will show you what amount of Cr and mats you need before "craft" your map" once you have your map made, can be saved and you can upload anytime in the "players level" channel once you pay the first upkeep for your map.

players can only have 1 map made, so if they want to make another, the old will be destroyed and players need again Cr and mats to do again the stuff.
Why i prefeer in this way? because with that we going to limit the numbers of maps we going to have in the server, also we can make another crown sink and mat sink with this so is a win win for everyone, sure people wouldnt like to lose all Cr and mats, but honestly would be good in this way, also people lose their Cr and mats everytimes with accesories, crafting guild trophies, so why not with this? (maybe they can have a refuund of 15% of the things they used idk i honestly preefer not refund),

Also to avoid mistake like "i didnt wanted to do this and this and this" the editor can ask "review your map before click again save" so players can see they have everything the liked, also the editor wouldnt spent Cr or mats until the player press the button to craft the map. but will show it the final price of your map.

<<<< the maps >>>>

i sitll prefeer this would be a guild hall feature where everyone can play the maps of others even if they dont have guild. but oh well, once the map were uploaded to the server they can be played anytime, without cost since they dont have loot you dont have to worry, but "hey whats the point?" the point of user level maps is play just map for fun not to make profit. but lets not be so sour, lets add a score system instead loot in user maps. there can be a leaderboard (like the ones for PvP) where the most played maps or most popular would have their leader boards, either can be for single player or non guild player party, or guild party scores, (i mean respective scores) so players can have a reason to play such maps to keep their scores, also if a player dies, well nothing happen, no sparks will be used but you will get a score reduction, everytime you get the reduction is worse. so in this way we going to have those maps which players can get access on their guild (can be a new room) or somewhere in haven.

or even better:

players without guild or dont want guild: can make non guild maps for any players (uploaded in the new part of haven)
players with guilds can make maps to be played in guild party. (uploaded in the guild hall user maps channel)

so in that way we can have a easy way to make leader boards so easy.

<<< final >>>

In this way, we can make our maps as we like, we make a new crown sink and mat sink, and devs dont need review maps to make adjustment so they dont waste their time in this, and can make good content. and there isnt a way to exploit stuff since we only make maps for fun for other players AND NOT FOR PROFIT OURSELVES WITH LOOT.

Also the editor wouldnt craft the map if the player tries to make a map without exit.

i think in this way is better. and even OOO would enjoy the user maps without worry for something (and probably they will get ideas from user maps)

No no no. He's saying no rewards, at all. I'm still saying there should be rewards, just not crowns and such. As I already explained. My point is that he wrote a big long post, but he didn't take that simple thing into account.

Perhaps I should have led my post with an @.

I'm all for it, but what i'm thinking is that the loot system would be game generated, as would mob spawns for the most part.

- Mobs still drop their own loot, as per usual. But normal rooms spawn mobs like they normally would (like a room that would normally spawn 3~ minor mobs would still spawn 3~ minor mobs, and those mobs would drop their own loot.)

- the only time you could customize mon spawns would be when you have something like an arena, but you have a wave limit & mobs per wave limit.

I would love a level editor, in fact i'd love an editor with the capability to make levels like the Obsidian Nexus. I want there to be more levels like that!!!!