Jooozek, trust me I know exactly where you are coming from. There is nothing more frustrating than getting a rare yet useless UV. Try getting sleep max on a piece of armor sometime. I am just saying there isn't much incentive for OOO to make the good UVs easier to get.

Oh, and did anyone notice that Cory edited his post about the 3 UVs?

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Random price speculation:

10% chance on a UV
Most people craft 2 star items for UVs
10 * 50 = 500 energy
Current market price of 500 energy (6500) = 32,500 crowns

Adding in crown crafting costs and materials, it probably costs around 38k crowns per UV for most items, although that number is obviously discounted by selling off the normal items (and the usually bad UV). Let's say you can sell the items for an average of 3k each

3,000 * 10 = 30,000 crowns
30,000 - 38,000 = -8,000

Going from these numbers, it probably won't be worth using the UV vendor if it costs more than 8k. I'm going to guess it will cost 15-20k to attach a UV to an item, if only because the ability to add a UV to a token reward has added value.

I'd really like if they didn't have a unbind feature, but oh well I plan on making a killing selling 5 star items. The roll sounds fun!

lol why do people always hav problems with money

the more u can get for ur money the better it is! thats how things go and this game needs alot more than just UVs

of course, on the other hand, if the price/effect is like the heat amplifier, they might as well just let it be, but that doesnt have to do with them making profit, its merely them giving nothing for the money they get(yet it can still be considered a valuable feature for richer players or $ spenders)

anyways those r speculations and therefore pointless unless they can allow us to prepare properly and get us some kind of an advantage for ourselves

i duno bout others but to me random UV > no UV

where in my post is the idea, "that this won't make them richer" o.O, i didnt comment anything about that
i dont see the point thinking about their profits, as a player i only care bout what i get, and i dont see anything getting worse right now, just some new feature, we would yet hav to test

what i dont understand is how a player can benefit from thinking about a companys finances, its kinda off topic/irrelevant/obvious/w.e..

E@angel:np, just wanted to state my personal opinion in a single post and read the rest, but i wanted to clarify the idea thingy

I just read the announcement and I read that Punch trades for CR... cool (better) I still wonder how much will it be and how cheap can it get (talking about low UVs)

BiggestLoser: I like to talk about business and economy.. I was taught to.
And well, think about this way, we are the economy of the game....
A person buys $20 in energy (7500CE), SK earns $20. > That person sell 100CE in the market for...

Don't worry about it. I'm going nowhere. Enjoy the game bro.

It is unlikely these services will be cheap.

The unbind feature will probably remove all the heat from an item so you still have to level it up. The CE cost for unbinding will probably be more than the total amount of CE it takes to craft it from the base item to 5 star to encourage crafting. The increased cost would naturally be reflected in the AH prices for unbound equipment, creating a crown sink and an incentive for players to sell CE for crowns.

So let me set things straight. Prestige items like the divine avenger, crest of almire and so on now will be obtainable by anyone with just enough cash. No more reason to prepare for a tier3 run or to collect tokens at all.

And whats with heart pendants? First you make them unbound when found, then people start selling these for a high price and now they will lose most of their value because everyone can sell them again? What the hell.

I didn't put so much money into this game to see my $ wasted. I'd highly recommend you to keep at least the token items/pendants bound if you don't want to completely screw the game mechanics over.

Having 1hour playtime newbies running around with fang of vogs, while getting sold ctr vh caliburs for 10kce by other players, is ridicolous. Think this through very carefully...

I wonder how this will effect alt-crafting. Most of my alt-crafting isn't "breaking even while waiting for uv's," it's just about me crafting and selling these normal, non-uv'd, 2* items to players who are prolly t1 looking to get into t2. I don't expect or desire uv's, aside from the profit they would make me on the market.

They have already said unbound gear would carry a cost cumulative to crafting the item it's self, so I don't think this will effect me equipping ppl who are new to the game. The ones who pull out their wallet to skip to end gear did it already by selling ce on the market, then buying all the mats, recipes, ect to fill out their equip set. This would only make it easier for them, MAYBE tempting for others... but the price of 5* gear isn't gonna drop from this, so I don't think that market is expanding enough to put me out of business.

The UV roller is the one I'm eye balling... I am not in the business of selling uv's, but some ppl are. I think what these ppl do with their alts will determine how my regular item alt crafting goes. If they continue alt crafting (I suspect they will) then the market will prolly stay the same. Supply stays the same, so my items aren't raising in prices, and mats stay the same, so their price isn't gonna drop...

But if players drop these alts in favor of paying cr for uv's, then I think my alt crafter may be able to make a bit more money. Less ppl posting 2* goods in the ah, and less ppl buying those mats == more profit for me on both sides.

Well - I await this update, it has things I've been wanting for a while. I'm very glad they are adding it to the game this way. I'll prolly start dumping my own cr into rolling uv's on my 5* equips I've already built, especially the token gear (rather than grind out tons more tokens, I can farm where it's good and dump cr).

@Volebamus
I'm propably wrong about how the damage bonus is applied but still, even if you dealt half of the maximum damage would you use that weapon on that species? I would still never use it for them especially on a gun. I'd use it if it reached at least neutral levels with very high bonus (which is 74% of maximum potential dmg).

@viper901
Heart Trinkets were bound due a certain exploit, you can thank exploiters for that. Nick said that only 0-star and starless items will be excluded from bidding so you can be sure that boss weapons we will be unbindable. The earlier problem with the boss items was that they were sold for really cheap, shortly before the binding update you could get a faust/avenger/blackhawk/silversix for as much as 500CE

I see where you're coming from, Laverna. : )

When I started playing the game, though, items like the Divine Avenger could be purchased from any player - and commonly were. Part of the mechanic of the economy became leveling up gear to sell for profits later - to players who didn't want to spend the time grinding heat. It happened all the time.

That's not to say we disagree on the mentality that some items should be earned, fair and square, same amount of effort to each. I'm with you there. But my point is that the game, from Day 1, has had these elements at play that make CE the most valuable thing possible - with enough of it, you can do and get just about anything. This has always been the case, even now with remnants of the unbound gear, and will likely continue to be.

Further, we've always known this Unbinding system was coming. They revealed it very soon after the new binding system hit and players were furious about the change.

There are pros and cons to the system, but to your point of profit -- this will likely be a huge win for OOO. If players can spend massive amounts of CE to buy high level gear, they absolutely will. That CE has to come from somewhere. And some new players, especially, are very often willing to spend that burst of initial money to zoom ahead. Likewise, it adds a reward system to any player who is willing to grind and work hard to level up their items to sell for CE later - which isn't a bad thing for veterans of the game or those who want a reward for putting in extra effort.

Laverna - In some ways I think it was better. In some ways I like systems that require you to complete the same tasks as everyone else to earn items. I see and appreciate both sides of the spectrum.

Your stance makes much, much more sense now that I realize you've spent over 60,000-90,000 CE on trinkets and weapons recently. Knowing that those items are about to plummet in value would be enough to make anyone a little mad, I think! But do remember that back when binding first happened, before you joined, just the opposite occurred - players furious because their entire business strategy and all the items they were in the middle of upgrading were now suddenly out the window completely.

Even with the best gear in the game, Vanaduke will still rock your face if you play like a newbie and don't know what you're doing. FSC will still burn you to a crisp even with MAX Fire resist and high amounts of shadow defense.

What matters most in this game is skill, not gear. Gear comes second, and compliments that skill. That's why you see people with terrible gear Solo'ing Vanaduke just to prove a point - and people with great gear but no skill dying left and right when they get to him.

The gear ratio is simple: Time V Money. Either you spend time in the game grinding to earn it, or you spend time in real life working to get money for CE.

Just remember that no amount of money in the real world can buy a player the skill to defeat Vanaduke on Day 1. (Short of hiring someone to play for you!)

I can understand you're irked about the changes. In your position, I would be too. But that's simply how the cards have been dealt, and as mentioned, we knew OOO was waiting to play this ace over a month ago - the wisest thing to do would have been to research and wait before playing one's hand.

In any case, we'll see how things roll out later this week. : )

Bootlet - Same here.

I'd hope for anywhere between 10-25k as well. Getting a UV shouldn't be too easy, but likewise it'll be cheaper to just mass produce the base items and hope for UV if it's too expensive.

The cost of the rolling and the unbinding will shape the entire economic shift heading our way. Exciting times ahead!

Laverna - the point we keep bringing up that you don't seem to be addressing is that this isn't a surprise. This isn't some random change that OOO threw at us without any prior warning.

Again, in simplest phrasing: we've known about this coming for over a month.

As you weren't around before the original binding change, it's understandable that you might not have known about it without doing some research first. Anytime you invest such high amounts in items like that, you know there's a certain amount of risk you take on. With totals like that, the best thing to do would have been to read all you could about the system first, so you'd have known this was on the way someday.

I sympathize with you. Seriously, I do. But hating on OOO for following through with promises they made to us long ago is hardly valid here.

Well, like I've said before, it's a two way economy.

The free players give the paying players materials and items to afford CE, the paying players give free players their CE so they can get things at no grind.

The unbinding will just open up a market for bigger business.
Nothing will really change, it will just offer more convenience at a greater premium.

"Vise can unbind items (zero star and 'starless' items excluded) in exchange for energy."

Which part dont u get ?

...how is the event going to benefit newbies anymore than it would now? You can just as easily afford end-game equipment from the start if you pour enough money into it. The only thing that prevents it from being instant is simply finding the right recipe, and even that can be easily bypassed knowing the right people. Sounds like a bit of exaggeration, though- by the time people can actually afford to buy that kind of equipment, they aren't exactly 'newbies' anymore. And if they could, you have the same people to blame that set the prices on every other aspect of the game.

@Shosuko
I talked to many people which were holding their levelled endgame gear back just for this very occassion. The bazaar will be flooded with max 5*lvl10 items next week and therefore levelling one yourself won't be worth time and effort anymore. At least not for beginners.

If "Vise can unbind items (zero star and 'starless' items excluded) in exchange for energy.", then with no doubt, prestige items and trinkets will be included as well. For example: Did you notice all the trinkets being sold recently? Yes it's because they will make a big value drop. I shouldnt have bought any in the first place. Guess you can get a +6 trinket next weekend for as low as 10kce. And since tokens = not buyable with $, 000 doesnt make any income and hopes new players are willing to buy it with energy.

In the end it doesn't add anything to the game but just destroys the whole purpose of doing tier2/3 runs. If I was a new player I would simply wait for the maxed resellers doing the dirty work, killing vana and return to me with a blackened crest. Proto shield getting switched out with a crest of almire right from the start. Doesn't sound bad eh? But as long as it keeps the game alive I won't complain.

@IronSkullKid
You can't unbind Regalia. These items will rise in prices over time and therefore ensuring people buying a lot of energy. Maybe they release an unbinding update after maximizing profit, if they get too rare. To keep the energy flow steady.

(Sorry for triple posting, stupid phone)

I can't wait for this to happen, I still wonder how will this affect the game (too much discussions about it), and how well/cheap will be working.
To be honest i really like what SK is doing, more for us... great.

a couple questions:

is there any cooldown associated with the UV rolling?

does the cost scale to item level (more for higher * items) or is it a fixed price regardless?

this still doesn't address my main issue with the UV system. the fact that it's entirely random. but it's better than nothing and makes it much less painful to get UV's on certain items like token rewards or items that start at 3/4*

What I like about this update was, even if the services by Punch and Vise suck because you have to pay an exorbitant price, people would simply revert back to the old ways. If it's affordable and cheaper relatively, then I would have it easier to get at the very least a decent u.v. on my equipment, especially those from the tokens.

im kinda gonna hate this being that I sold a frigging TON of 4 and 5* stuff to a vendor way back.

quote -
If "Vise can unbind items (zero star and 'starless' items excluded) in exchange for energy.", then with no doubt, prestige items and trinkets will be included as well. For example: Did you notice all the trinkets being sold recently? Yes it's because they will make a big value drop. I shouldnt have bought any in the first place. Guess you can get a +6 trinket next weekend for as low as 10kce. And since tokens = not buyable with $, 000 doesnt make any income and hopes new players are willing to buy it with energy.

let me get this straight -

You're worried that EVERY NOOB is gonna unload 25 bucks irl$ on a single end game item :\

worse - you're mad about this because you already paid like 75 irl$ for one?? o_O

I just cannot empathize with your anger over this - 2-4x weapons, helm, shield, armor, 0-2 trinkets... you're talking 50 bucks each that is 300-500 irl$ on a single set of gear... You're afraid of noobs "flooding" the game with this advantage? idk what noobs YOU know, but most of the noobs I know are grinding out 100 mist to dump 3-5k CROWNS on a 2* gear in the ah because they want to dive on their mist, not craft :\

@Laverna:
Well, there's always an option to run a boycott.
Spiral Knights has a noble and honourable tradition of boycotts. Some players have boycotted because OOO maked item untradable at one point. You can boycott because OOO is going to make those items tradable again.

BTW, I'm wondering if people who boycotted last time will be back now?