I feel like I'm the only person who rly uses the troika line cuz most ppl go for the DA. Honestly I think more ppl go for the DA cuz of its charge attack and elemental damage. I'm just wondering, the sudaruska's charge attack used to cause rocks to come out of the ground and deal damage, so why exactly was that taken away? Honestly, it seems like the sudaruska is a bit underpowered, but that's just my opinion. What do you guys think? I want to read ppl's thoughts so i can decide whether to make a suggestions post or not
Sudaruska vs Divine Avenger
Sun, 09/11/2011 - 14:10
Sun, 09/11/2011 - 14:59
#2
Zelda
i hope big angry bomb gets more attention before all those winmillion suda n stuff gets worked on
Sun, 09/11/2011 - 15:37
#3
apples to oranges
You're comparing these, because they're both slow? In choosing a sword, speed is a consideration, along with status effects, range, knockback, etc. But the most important consideration is probably damage type. Sudaruska does normal damage. All monsters are neutral to normal damage. So normal weapons are general-purpose, not specialized. Serious swordsmen/women tend to own a piercing sword, elemental sword, and shadow sword, and switch among them based on the monster they're fighting, to do heavy damage. This alone is enough to explain why Sudaruska is unpopular.
Sun, 09/11/2011 - 18:47
#4
sud,
it absolutely needs a buff. It an all around inferior 2 swing slow sword to DA. As normal damage its completely inferior to Calibur and its charge. Hopefully they take a look at how little its used, and how its outshined by almost all other 5* swords (at least in one vein or another. Even as a "general purpose" weapon its about half as effective as teh calibur)
Granted, i'm a bit biased and want a buff, b/c i have a vh ctr that i'm leveling for fun. But this and the ice one both need a buff, otherwise its just a novelty weapon.
Sun, 09/11/2011 - 21:44
#5
Yes, I must say the troika
Yes, I must say the troika line sucks. Attack power just normal, attack speed very slow, little chance get enemies stunned or freeze, charge attacks are slow and dangerous to players
Mon, 09/12/2011 - 04:17
#6
I am not biased at all
You all are crazy; the Khorovod is the best sword period.
There's nothing more satisfying than doing 200+ dmg a swing in t3, except maybe kiting a mob into a charge attack for 299...
Mon, 09/12/2011 - 04:45
#7
Khorovod
The "200+ swing" and "299 charge" are not at all impressive. Use any non-normal 5-star sword against its correct monster types, and you will see even bigger numbers --- such as, in the 600s for charge attacks. But yes, kiting a mob and delivering a charge is huge fun --- no argument there.
Mon, 09/12/2011 - 05:10
#8
@ jdavis
Fair enough. Perhaps since i only have two weapon slots I just prefer an average against everything weapon. Perhaps I just like making things hard for myself <<
Mon, 09/12/2011 - 06:26
#9
even with two weapon slots, you still want non-normal damage
Even with just two weapon slots, you should still consider carrying two non-normal weapons. For then you can do huge damage against 4/6 of monsters and moderate damage against the other 2/6 of monsters. More explicitly:
- Suppose that you're carrying a piercing sword and an elemental sword. You use piercing against fiends, beasts, and gremlins, and elemental against undead, constructs, and slimes. Then you do huge damage against fiends, beasts, undead, and constructs, and moderate damage against gremlins and slimes.
- Similarly, with an elemental sword and shadow sword, you can do huge damage against slimes, gremlins, undead, and constructs, and moderate damage against beasts and fiends.
- Similarly, with a piercing sword and a shadow sword, you can do huge damage against beasts, fiends, slimes, and gremlins, and moderate damage against undead and constructs.
In contrast, if you have two normal swords, then you deal moderate damage to 6/6 of monsters --- distinctly worse than the combinations above. The same reasoning applies to guns. It also applies to sword+gun mixtures, although I can understand why you might ignore it there, because swords and guns are used so differently. It does not apply to the current selection of bombs.
Mon, 09/12/2011 - 06:35
#10
Doesn't need a buff, it's a
Doesn't need a buff, it's a slow levi, normal damage will always do less than split to certain types, it's how the game works, if you chose to use pure normal damage expect that to happen.
Mon, 09/12/2011 - 06:41
#11
hey no worries, i am carrying
hey no worries, i am carrying cutter series for so long and i too Dont see much people use it at all at T3, its a awesome weapon with damage up maximum =)
Mon, 09/12/2011 - 07:04
#12
I thought the Troika line's
I thought the Troika line's only saving grace might be massive reach... Nope. It has better reach then a 4* and under Calibur, but it has the same reach as the Sealed Sword lines (tested all at same time in ATH for first swing reach vs destructible object). This is pretty lame, because the model for the Troika line is much longer then the model for the Sealed line. Also, the "fair chance at moderate stun" and "slight chance at strong freeze" are both worthless to the point of ignoring the possibility (especially since the after hit lag time on the charge attack is sooo terrible). The Troika line needs some serious work or it will continue to be largely unused.
I tend to go for normal damage, because split damage just doesn't really seem worth it to me. The Snarb Barb line is the only pure damage none-normal sword. If there was a pure shadow and a pure elemental swords I would go to a 3 sword 1 gun loadout. I would really like to see the Troika line buffed because I love normal damage, the models are great, and heavy swords are fun to use. Until then my Troika is just going to gather dust (along with my Kamarin recipe).
Mon, 09/12/2011 - 09:31
#13
Yay, more attention for
Yay, more attention for Sudaruska. Here are a few threads analyzing how it's been reduced to vanity weapon status, especially with respect to its charge attack:
Arsenal thread (more detailed discussion):
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/19923
Suggestions thread (please bump this):
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/20209
Mon, 09/12/2011 - 18:06
#14
If they made the length of
If they made the length of the model actually translate into more reach for your swing, that would give it a unique edge over other swords & help put some value to it. The lag time on the end of the charge needs to be cut down or shied cancelable too...
Mon, 09/12/2011 - 18:10
#15
a lot of wep need a buff....
a lot of wep need a buff....
Mon, 11/07/2011 - 22:54
#16
hummm
I think sudaruska should be given a chance to deal stun on the second hit, if not on both...
Ignoring damage type, which is fine-
Gran faust
-Deals curse
-Has a good charge attack(when used correctly), that can deal with many mobs.
Divine avenger
-Has an amazing charge attack- deals a ton with just the slash
Sudaruska
-Has a meh charge, that often gets you hurt
-Only deals stun on the charge, and only sometimes?
Hmmm
Mon, 11/07/2011 - 23:29
#17
Why the necro?
2 months old...!
Buffing the 5* troika line has been suggested to death. Perhaps try another topic in the suggestions thread, not here.
Although I guess this isn't that that bad of a necro since nothing has really changed with the two weapons since the last post....
Tue, 11/08/2011 - 03:47
#18
TROIKA
NEVER gonna give her up.
NEVER gonna let her down.
Tue, 11/08/2011 - 04:12
#19
lol
@ chris are you joking, trolling, or just have no idea what your talking about?
Tue, 11/08/2011 - 06:04
#20
About previous post
Triglav may freeze with second hit, doesn't sudaruska do the same? If not, then ya, it needs a fix
Tue, 11/08/2011 - 19:41
#21
If it were up to me,
If it were up to me, sudarusaka should do split normal/piercing damage and Triglav should have pure and max elemental damage. Nuff' said.
Wed, 11/09/2011 - 06:42
#22
piercing swords seem designed that way
The swords that do piercing damage seem to be designed, in their graphics and animations, to make sense as piercing swords. I mean, they're very pointy and you stab with them. In contrast, Sudaruska/Triglav have big blunt ends and do big swings. So, to the extent that making physical sense matters, they don't make sense as piercing swords.
It would make sense for them to do split normal+elemental or normal+shadow, because elemental and shadow damage tend to have mystical or technological explanations. Also, this plan would give us a third shadow sword, which I'd like. However, changing an established sword's damage type will probably not happen; the current users would be too disrupted.
I agree that these swords need improvement. I think that they should stay normal, but with more damage.
Wed, 11/09/2011 - 20:05
#23
i would like a heavy piercing
i would like a heavy piercing sword (i don't realy use my levi anymore because i love the GF & DA) i kill wolvers with my faust and fiends i just hit with what i have atm. so yeah piercing would be nice for heavy sword users
and ontopic i use a levi for normal damage, and when i started using heavy sword i tought about getting this one but now i don't want it because i probably will NEVER use it haha
Wed, 11/09/2011 - 20:19
#24
people want DA because it
people want DA because it does elemental and good knockback and charge. suduruska only does normal. lots of people use the calibur line even though its normal, but thats because of its awesome charge. 360 turn with a chance of hitting 3 times. calibur rules! :D
Thu, 11/10/2011 - 06:33
#25
cali/levi DOES hit all 3
cali/levi DOES hit all 3 times on bosses (don't know about snarby tough) with damage bonus it's killer :D (with ASI max you have more chance to get muliple hits) so yeah Sudaruska is outclassed by everything haha
Thu, 11/10/2011 - 12:39
#26
This can use more bumps
Speaking of heavy piercing weapons, I'd like a Ranseur, please. :D
There was another thread where it was shown repeatedly that the Sudaruska has absolutely pathetic damage compared to every other 5* weapon in the entire game:
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/19771
Something like the Levi that is underpowered compared to Brandish/Sealed lines more than makes up for it with the charge attack. The Sudaruska has no such saving grace. Its range is exactly that of DA/GF although its model is larger. Also, the charge attack has a small AoE, doesn't inflict the status consistently, misses frequently and leaves you quite vulnerable.
One solution that I'm just going to throw this out there... new creature class that is weak to Normal but strong to everything else. Just kidding, of course. That is fixing the wrong side of the issue. :P
This topic is close to my heart. Soon after starting the game I wanted to play Heavy Sword/Bomber with a Troika and three bombs. OOO finally made a 5* version and I thought I could fulfill my destiny. But alas, if I want to run with a heavy sword it is usually DA+GF+Bomb+Bomb. 90% of the time though I just use Levi and three bombs because the Sudaruska is just that bad.
Fri, 11/11/2011 - 12:58
#27
the troika line
I agree with what has been said here. i have been using the kamarin for awhile,
and it just doesnt own up to any of my standards.
I am constantly doing jk runs so that i can get a sealed sword and escape from the misery and
dissappointment. This hurts me in my soul, because i love the swords in-game model.
it looks friggen sweet. but alas, it really sucks.
Tue, 08/20/2013 - 15:27
#28
Sudaruska is my favourite weapon but its underpowered
I really like the troika line and i currently have the khorovod but my friend has the vile striker and can do way more damage overall and take less damage because he has a 10 hit combo and can shield immediately after swing but the troika line has a bit of animation after each swing so my opinion is that with the troika line you should be able to cancel your swing by shielding to prevent taking damage while also stopping your swing and make the charge have more chance to stun as well as being able to cancel mid swing because i find trying to attack anything with projectiles i will get hit by all 5 projectiles because i was mid swing in charge. maybe slightly more damage because its a heavy weapon that deals pure normal damage. and for my last statement: ADD A PIERCING HEAVY WEAPON like a 2* club that upgrades to spiked club or icicled club (find better names) etc or a lance similar to the flourish line animation but slight ly slower and maybe less poking the sword more charging forwards.
Tue, 08/20/2013 - 15:27
#29
Sudaruska is my favourite weapon but its underpowered
I really like the troika line and i currently have the khorovod but my friend has the vile striker and can do way more damage overall and take less damage because he has a 10 hit combo and can shield immediately after swing but the troika line has a bit of animation after each swing so my opinion is that with the troika line you should be able to cancel your swing by shielding to prevent taking damage while also stopping your swing and make the charge have more chance to stun as well as being able to cancel mid swing because i find trying to attack anything with projectiles i will get hit by all 5 projectiles because i was mid swing in charge. maybe slightly more damage because its a heavy weapon that deals pure normal damage. and for my last statement: ADD A PIERCING HEAVY WEAPON like a 2* club that upgrades to spiked club or icicled club (find better names) etc or a lance similar to the flourish line animation but slight ly slower and maybe less poking the sword more charging forwards.
Tue, 08/20/2013 - 15:28
#30
sry posted twice accidentally
sry posted twice accidentally
Tue, 08/20/2013 - 16:44
#31
Why did you have to necro this? >_>
Sudaruska is broken and underpowered. The charge sucks. The weapon is too slow to the point where DA does more damage vs Fiends/Slime.