Lets see here.
Heavy swords Pros and Cons
Pros
- Good knockback and range on the 2nd hit
- Great damage on 1st strike
- Stronger damaging charge attacks. On a single number, that is.
Cons
Can't think of much more here, but I think those are some good enough points.
As you can clearly see the Pros highly are outweighed by the cons, and here's some proof with the magic of numbers.
Because the Gran faust and the Avenger do the same damage, to their respectable element, I saw how much my Acheron did compared to his Gran Faust.
I would assume this test would be the same for the Divine avenger to another sword from the brandish line which is elemental, or perhaps comparing a Triglav or the Sudaruska to the Leviathan blade, due to elemental / normal damage properties respectively.
Anyway, here's our tests. This was all based on neutral damage, and both of our damages increased by medium, done on scuttle bots in tier 3.
Gran Faust:
Strike 1: 213
Strike 2: 281
Total damaging Combo: 494
Acheron
Strike 1:181
Strike 2:181
Strike 3:240
Total damaging Combo: 602
As you can clearly see, the Acheron does a whopping 108 more damage with its full combo.
Now I started to do some different stuff.
How does Very high attack speed effect these weapons?
Acheron
Acheron attack speed combo start to finish: 2.14
Acheron guard ability on first strike: 0.5
Acheron attack speed with ASI very high start to finish: 1.73
Acheron guard ability on first strike with ASI VH: 0.31
Faust (Which is essentially 2x faster then every heavy sword in game)
Faust attack speed combo start to finish: 2.25
Faust guard ability on first strike: 0.72
Faust attack speed with ASI very high start to finish: 1.90
Faust guard ability on first strike with ASI VH: 0.55
As we can clearly see the Acheron is still at an advantage, a large one mind you, to the FASTEST heavy sword in the game. It's speed is, literally, double then the other heavy swords by far.
Charge attacks
Acheron Initial strike: 392
Acheron explosion damage: 86
Gran Faust Initial Damage: 434
Gran Faust sword-bullet damage: 96
Now, you can argue, that the Gran Faust can curse and the like but take this into consideration. This is comparing charges to all heavy swords:
- The Acheron's charge is considerably faster then the Gran Faust's
- The Branish line's charge can be guarded out of much faster then the sealed sword line
- The Leviathan blade's charge can knockback harder then the Sudaruska and Triglav, and it can grind up to 3 hits if done correctly for massive damage. Granted, it can't stun decently or have a 1 in a million chance to freeze, but it kills things so that's nice.
- The Acheron's damage is slightly weaker, but without any "curse yourself 50-70% of the time" drawbacks.
- Anything from the brandish line has a GOOD chance to inflict a STRONG element with up to THREE hits, whilst the Gran Faust is only fair, with a chance to curse yourself, and the Triglav is only slight, for a single hit. The Sudaruska has a decent chance for stun, but killing a monster with the leviathan blade is much more useful then stunning it.
Plus, now lets look at the swords that inflict an element:
Gran Faust:
- Can curse self. Often. Even with max curse resist.
- Does minimal damage for a double edged sword
- Charge time is ridiculous.
- Within its combo, it only has 1 hit that can curse. That's its second hit.
- The curse rate on monsters is decent, at best.
Triglav
- Only a slight chance on its 2nd strike
- Charge attack only has 1 hit
Sudaruska
- Only its charge can inflict its stun, with a rate that's lower then those of many other weapons
- Was nerfed, and lost its "rocks" in its charge.
Looking at all of this it's clear to see that heavy swords really are getting the short end of the stick. Weapons of their caliber are destroying it, both in combo damage and in charge attacks. They aren't as effected by attack speed increases, and the ones with elements can barely inflict the element they were born to inflict, whilst other weapons of different lines have an actual GOOD chance to inflict it.
I'm sorry but if a Glacius can have a good chance, with up to 3 hits, why can't the Triglav?
If the Grand Faust has such a high rate to curse you, why can't it have a good rate to inflict others instead of only fair?
Why should something that is considered heavy and powerful, have its traits of powerful and punishing if done wrong, not get the power it rightfully deserves?
I will say, yes, I'm asking for heavy swords to get a buff. All of them, except for maybe the charge of the divine avenger, but the others should definitely gain some more power to them. They need something more, regardless what all you Lockdown children out there cry about. They need more power. They need to be better.
If they aren't going to be improved, all I ask of you is to not make them any worse then they are.
Take all of my money damn you, also in before "you have no idea what your talking about Heavy Swords are OP we should nerf them cause I said so"
Also with logic in mind a Rapier can bust down a wall faster and stronger then a sledgehammer.