Alright, it looks like there are 4 main complaints about the auto-aim in lockdown (not an expert, could be wrong):
1. It benefits sword users more than other styles
2. It ruins the stealth element of recons
3. It makes strikers overpowered compared to other classes
#1- This could possibly be fixed by a nerf on the effectiveness of auto-aim for sword users in lockdown
- Until this is changed, those who wish to bring guns/bombs into LD could equip their other slots with a sword for close-range encounters
#2- As in #1, I would suggest a bug fix patch to remove this little feature of auto-aim
- Until then, this increases the skill requirement for recons. I have never tried this seriously, I'm not sure, so please don't rage me for saying it if I'm wrong: but wouldn't it be possible to time your movements with the rotation of the alert radar (idk what it's called) to be able to approach enemies without tipping them off?
#3- Only if people know how to use them right to avoid the auto-aim. This requires as much skill as most of the other techniques in lockdown, so I don't really have an issue with it
There does also seem to be one recurring complaint about the possibility of removing auto-aim:
People with a lot of lag depend on auto-aim to have an equal chance at victory. If auto-aim were removed, I would simply recommend setting it to auto-enable for people with a bad enough ping.
Those are just my two cents. I hope that the patches I have suggested are possible, but if not there are ways around the auto-aim (as listed above).
Stop auto-aim in LD
Why must every issue on this forum degenerate into personal attacks? It accomplishes nothing, and leaves every party involved more convinced than ever that the other side is wrong.
I play competitive recon and you are absolutely right, #2 is a legit and very common tactic. However everyone needs to take into account latency: when a recon cloaks, they leave a sparkle behind, and auto-aim picks up on that sparkle for even a second. Thus a cloaked recon to the recon user may not be fully cloaked to the striker hunting the recon
Do people who cry about auto-aim not realize that opponent doing combo = free hit for you?
Someone should put all the people complaining about auto-aim into a room with all the people complaining about skolver/toothpicks/pendants and create a large hadron collider of hate (since it seems the people who complain about one usually use the other). The downside of this experiment may be that the two sides end up procreating and produce a new strain of uberhipster that pats themselves on the back for using neither.
NB: Comment not directed at those raising legitimate concerns.
"The downside of this experiment may be that the two sides end up procreating and produce a new strain of uberhipster that pats themselves on the back for using neither."
/lightbulb above head turns on.
Whenever i feel that i cant do something, I will come back to this thread and laugh at Feller to get my spirits up again :)
Ah, rage threads. And now feller.
Eats popcorn.
I'm so glad my 360 controller works for sk... Much better than using AA
"Skill" is no longer defined as something you earned/worked hard to be good at, today it's just a subjective opinion. LOL to the idiots who say Auto Target doesn't lock cloaked recons xD. LOL to us all crying about Autoaim (Mostly me and Feller). LOL to people who think UV's and autoaim is skill. Woe to the people who arn't afraid to offend people to keep the good name of SKill A reality. (/cry to Eldibs who has never had a 1 minute NO auto-aimed striker fight). "I can click the mouse at you and hit you!" "I can actually aim". Not gonna mention any names *caugh* chr-..but there are few people who would survive in Lockdown if OOO said "Hey!..remember that thing..hmm the thing called SKILL?" which we all know is never gonna happen, so how about I hold fast to my "Subjective opinion" and you get me and Feller a tissue. *Blueberrymuffin cries Pitifully.* *Feller cries Pitifully.* Well, I'd say 4 pages of getting nowhere has gotten us nowhere (shocker) if anyone cares to continue this convo with me contact me Via steam -
"(-)PE(-) Obama Bin Lyin' ". SK = Qberrymuffin. "I has more skillz than you" "Define skill".
It's sad how even though Feller and Blueberrymuffin here keep on harping about "skill" like they know what the hell they're talking about, they forget that LD is a half-assed multiplayer part of SK that was really only invented to mollify the masses, and can't articulate further than copy-pasting that freaking word and just whacking their penises on the keyboard otherwise.
If you want to get technical, a big part of skill is knowledge. You can use your knowledge to know the pros and cons of AA, and how to utilize it. I think that would mean that using AA is skillful. Just as knowing how to use your blade and getting good at it is skill, knowing how AA works and when to utilize it is also skill.
AT should be removed, simply because it can track a recon. It's unfair to the recon that this other player gives a slight range advantage, so he would be discovered when he should have been fine.
its fun to be a recon with auto-target because you can literally hit someone 6 times b4 they even see you, and if AT can track a recon......ya got meh dere
There's an ATTEMPT to start a protest on H75 if you want to laugh for a while right now.
Let haven 75 , we help
There's an ATTEMPT to start a protest on H75 if you want to laugh for a while right now.
Damn this seminar on the volatile political climate of North Africa that I have to attend. :<
Auto-target does not track cloaked recons, for the last time. If you got hit while cloaked, it was because your movements were predictable.
As for the "one-minute fight," I've never had one, because either I had the skill to quickly kill them, or they had the skill to quickly kill me. If it took you a minute before one of you killed the other, or one of you fled to heal, then it's because you fail at Lockdown. End of story. Oh, and Blueberrymuffin, I've played in Guild Lockdown against you before. I don't consider myself an expert player by any means, but you and your guildmates were easy kills. That, and there's a reason why nobody reputable wants to talk to you about Lockdown in game. It's because you're a sore loser, and a crybaby. "Wah! I got beat! It's all their fault! Wah! They used aspects of the game that for some reason I don't use! Wah!"
Also, skill does not mean what you think it does. You do not have to work heard or earn skill. You can be naturally skilled at something. And consider what Ranick said - "A big part of skill is knowledge." Because you apparently don't know how incredibly little effect auto-target has (it only covers a couple degrees of rotation in error with the mouse, you still have to be close to the target), and how it's basically only useful in Lockdown if you're using a Final Flourish or Barbarous Thorn Blade (consider that half the time, the average Striker is using Gran Faust).
I'm going to copy/paste my own text here, because apparently your reading comprehension is lacking as much as your skill...
The people in favor of getting rid of auto-aim in Lockdown - "Well, you wouldn't have beat me so much if you didn't have auto-aim!"
The same people, if it were removed - "Well, you wouldn't beat me so much if you weren't using better gear than me!"
The same people, if the gear was removed too - "Well, you wouldn't beat me so much if you weren't CE rezzing!"
The same people, if CE rezzing was also removed - "Well, you wouldn't beat me so much if I had teammates as good as I am!"
The same people, if they were also on a good team - "Well, you wouldn't beat me so much if my internet connection was as good as yours!"
The same people, if they were also on an identical connection - "Well, you wouldn't beat me so much if I was on a computer as good as yours!"
The same people, if they were also on a perfect computer - "Well, you only beat me so much because you cheated somehow!"
You ever notice the phrasing used by the people in favor of getting rid of auto-aim? It's always "You only win because..." or "You can't win without..." It's never "I can't win when you..." The emphasis is always on the other person. It's always someone else's fault they lost, never their own. It's the kind of person that when they lose, they want to arbitrarily change the game environment, rather than learn to counter a popular strategy. You cannot please them, and changing things to try and please them is a fool's game.
Winners find a way. Losers find an excuse. Quit looking for excuses and quit QQ'ing.
Interesting
Awww yeahhh Eldibs gettin it done
@Contri You see what one little post about Auto-aim leads to? a chaotic mess. =D
OH and "skill" in my language takes practice. If someone has a better UV than you, so what? If you are competitive... get those UVs and fight on par with them if you want to prove your "skill". "Skill" can only be measured when both parties have the same type of gear and face off. So stop all of your blabbering about skill and have FUN.
F ind
U rself
N othingness, but FUN (Ok.... i really suck at making up acronyms... if you got any ideas lemme know =D)
Had myself a bowl of kettle corn reading this xD
Anyways to the topic of AA. I personally tried 5 matches with and without AA. I didnt really find a big difference, other than the 3 hit flourish combo being way less accurate w/out AA. I rarely use the combo and am primarily a faust user so the change really didnt affect me much. I really dont understand the fuss feller is making. Basically all the good players out there using AA, do not combo and thats the primary source of all the whining. I see going against people who spam combo as a chance to diversify my tactics and getter better rather than complain. Adressing UVs they are nice but you shouldn't hate against people who use them. Being f2p is not an excuse go grind vana and get that ASI!
Just my 2 cents:)
HECK NO!!!!!! goodnight gentlemen
@Zaderules
Let me help you.
F is for friends who do stuff together, U is you and me; N is anywhere and anytime at all, here in the Lockdown party.
ooooo awesome! +1 to Guyinshinyarmour! You are my hero!
....
On a second thought that song is stuck in my head now ._.
Well, I really feel empathy for the ppl that plays lockdown, my biggest problem with AA is that, everytime I have a "Good 1vs1" against some players, once they run out of health they start spamm the 3 hit combo, and saddly the third hit that takes you more HP almost always hit with AA.
AA should be there for new players, not for ppl that already have time playing lockdown.
That's all, most of you know how I play, so there's no need of "whining" word in here.
I enjoy LD, I'm just asking for a chance of make this competitive, and more friendly with new people.
Now there's a lot of players that can kill an entire team if there's no other O.P player on the other side, and I'm sure that if OOO disables autolock, this should be more balanced than now. There shouldn't be more than a couple players that could do that without AA.
Take it in a good way.
All the "good players" that don't use 3 hit combo, once they are out of HP start to spamm.
I'm not asking for my chance to kill "pro ppl", because I already face almost all players in this game and I don't remember being defeated easly or without 3 hit combo. I'm asking for a balanced PVP for NEW PPL. They run into battle against players with great UV + HP trinkets + Aimbot?, that's not fair.
Every player should aim for themself.
Mon, 03/19/2012 - 18:28
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Blueberrymuffin
"Define skill".
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- Being able to utilize armour and weaponry that best counter the majority of expected opposition based on observation of common trends.
- Mastery of shield-cancelling and the benefits it provides e.g. cutting sword strike animation short and continue the assault early.
- Mastery of charge-timing e.g. rapid bomb placements and/or utilization of sword/handgun charge attacks for time and combat efficiency.
- Knowledge of Lockdown classes behaviour, personal utility and enemy countering, perks and penalties.
- Map recognition, finding the most efficients pathways to faster reach your objective, utilize traps, obstacles and artillery to your advantage in combat.
- Ability to outpredict your enemy with close combat behaviour observation and counter their assault taking as few hits to none as possible.
- To lead an assault alone or in groups and overwhelm an enemy group with numbers or superior performance.
- Ability to read connection latency and how to respond in-time with the visual interpretation of your monitor and server-side action. (see: predictability)
- Reading the map to observe score distribution to capture and defend points by outwitting the enemy advance to take the lead.
- Ability to fight on-point to hold control or stall enemy capture of a point while disposing of the threat.
- Knowledge of when to hold point or advance to benefit your team by distracting an enemy assault to score points.
- Knowledge of the benefits and disadvantages of auto target and the ability to utilize it for maximum performance.
A small list that I quickly made up for you. Aren't you special.
Shut up about "It's only Blue and Feller."
Your only points that you're restating against Blue and Feller are:
1. Everyone can use it
2. It makes no difference
3. It's a part of the game
4. Stop whining because "You only whine if you lose"
@1 and 3. It's part of the game and everyone can use it because it was meant for those learning to play, similar to training wheels on a bike - you gonna use'em forever, babies?
@2. It makes no difference huh? Why is it a big deal to turn it off then? :)
@4. Whining for losses? You claim you don't know Feller, how do you know he loses? Oh and THANKS, Eldibs. "pics for proof"
And don't give me that [crap] about "skill" being defined as knowing how to use auto aim, Shidara. As Feller said, auto aim = noob so knowing how to use auto aim is knowing how to be a noob.
@those saying that they don't use auto aim, it's obvious if you do because of your combo's directions, range and how big the changes in direction + changes are.
Np Blue, Feller.
http://imageshack.us/g/171/spiral20120428183658.png/
20k as wolver + tri heart pendants. No AA.
+ 31k as skolver. (Don't give me your [crap] about "the usual skolver+FF+striker combo." I can give you a page long list of those who use that set and suck. Also no AA.
http://imageshack.us/f/834/spiral20120417172816.png/
16 caps + 19.9k dmg. This is a random GvG game btw - I focus on caps in them. Feller as just as good as me, so shut up about him failing at lockdown, and only taking pics of random.
These aren't my best games, just took some random no AA pics outta my folders. My best games were when I used to use AA, and let me tell you - Blueberrymuffin is the one who convinced me to play without AA, and it's much more fun without it. Thanks Blue :D
Wow, Fodow, you're so [special], I don't know whether to respond to you, or to Fedex you a baby bottle. Since I'm bored, let's break this down.
@1 and 3. It's part of the game and everyone can use it because it was meant for those learning to play, similar to training wheels on a bike - you gonna use'em forever, babies?
Let's use your argument, AA is like training wheels. Sound reasoning, I suppose. Use it until you're good enough to not need it. Why would you want it banned then? Hand a child a bicycle and tell them "It's all about skill! You don't need training wheels! Just do it perfectly the first time! I don't care how many times you fall down! I can ride a bike perfectly, so all four year-olds should be able to as well!" This is a shining example of [specialness], you equate "not needing it forever" to "nobody needs it ever."
@2. It makes no difference huh? Why is it a big deal to turn it off then? :)
It's not a big deal to simply turn it off. In fact, I have it off by default, and just press the hotkey in the rare situations where it does help a little (for instance, with Dread Venom Striker, which is impossible to use without AA, and is only marginally good in LD with AA). But if it helps so much, why is it such a big deal to turn it on? If you want to win, you're a fool to not take every advantage possible.
@4. Whining for losses? You claim you don't know Feller, how do you know he loses? Oh and THANKS, Eldibs. "pics for proof"
Yes, I did claim I didn't know Feller, and that statement was true when I typed it two months ago (nice necro, idiot). I have had the chance to play against him in GvG since then, and yes, he fails at Lockdown. Was he skilled combatant? Most definitely. But the entire first half of both games his whole team was CE rezzing like crazy (the sound is distinctive), he only managed something like three caps across both games, in the second game he got outscored in damage by two of my guildmates, and his team still lost both games. When you lose repeatedly, that is called FAILING AT LOCKDOWN. LD is NOT Team Deathmatch. Here's a lovely picture for you, of Feller failing.
And don't give me that [crap] about "skill" being defined as knowing how to use auto aim, Shidara. As Feller said, auto aim = noob so knowing how to use auto aim is knowing how to be a noob.
Apparently someone has never heard of the term Circular Reasoning. AA is noob because Feller said it was noob, and Feller said it was noob because it is noob? Do you seriously only have an IQ of 35? People like you shouldn't be allowed to speak or have opinions.
As for your pictures, who cares how much damage you got? You still lost the game. Lockdown is NOT Team Deathmatch. And your gear isn't what makes you good or bad at Lockdown. Terrible players will still be terrible, even with the best gear.
Also, I'm sure you players with awesome latency numbers feel super-special, being able to cut down people with one-second delays, or people like me who have utterly random delays (i.e. one moment, it's a one-second delay, the next moment, it's perfectly in-sync). Too bad you still lost those Lockdown matches. Doesn't that make you feel super-special? Losing to someone who you consider to be a worse player than you? Oh, but it's all my fault, I cheated. I had AA on, except when I didn't, because AA definitely makes you cap points faster. AMIRITE?
@those saying that they don't use auto aim, it's obvious if you do because of your combo's directions, range and how big the changes in direction + changes are.
If they're using the full combo, they've already failed. If you can't beat the full combo, you have already failed. And AA doesn't help if you're just doing first-swings of FF/BTB.
Finally, before you decide to use outright false statements and claim that AA tracks cloaked Recons, no, it doesn't.
/end my text wall.
"@1 and 3" : What you just told me is that AA ARE training wheels, and that they're for beginners. I'll ask you - why does almost EVERYONE use it? You're telling me there are T3s who can't aim for themselves?
"@2" : Simple. You just agreed with me that AA is an "advantage."
"@4" : Really, so Feller lost. OMG HE IS A FAILIURE! LOL @ Eldibs. You just said he's a "skill combatant." Thanks :D
I don't care about AA tracking recons (and it does, I've tested), I just hate that people are saying that it makes no difference, refusing to play with it off, then saying "It's part of the game! You're just using AA as an excuse." They claim they don't use 2nd + 3rd swings of combos, when right when they run outta dash? SPAM SPAM SPAM. "Oh I ain't a spammer! I was outta DASH!"
Oh and @ your 2 teammates outscoring him? 2 words. Auto Aim (No offense RoC, almost everyone uses it).
Manual FTW!
"You're telling me there are T3s who can't aim for themselves?"
In a word, yes.
There are definitely.
"Simple. You just agreed with me that AA is an "advantage.""
Tell me somewhere he said it isn't? Using AA is a somewhat skill in itself; if you target the wrong thing, you're fscked. However, having on as a toggle can be somewhat useful for laying down your full combo on a single opponent you just got ahold of.
In any case, if you were smart enough to take that stick out from up your [posterior], you'd notice he said it helps on RARE occasions, therefore it's an ADVANTAGE in THOSE situations, therefore you're a foll to NOT take advantage of the advantage when you CAN.
"Why use a rope? I can climb up this cliff with my bare hands."
Few mins later...
"Dude grab the rope! You're too tired you might fall!"
"Nah man, I got this. I'll just climb up this wall with my bare hands. Ropes are for noobs."
/falls and died/breaks a few dozen bones.
Moral: When it would be so much easier to use what you need to when it's useful, you decide not to and get owned. Your own fault for not utilizing all you had.
"Really, so Feller lost. OMG HE IS A FAILIURE! LOL @ Eldibs. You just said he's a "skill combatant." Thanks :D"
Really, the more I hear you speak, the bigger idiot you make yourself sound.
He said he's a skilled COMBATANT. Combatant=Fighter.
However, as you so obviously failed to notice, Eldibs was saying that LD is about CAPTURING THE CONTROL POINTS, and NOT killing people.
Therefore: Feller=good fighter but also a fail LDer, because he failed to capture any CPs like you're SUPPOSED to, instead focusing on dueling other people.
"your 2 teammates outscoring him? 2 words. Auto Aim"
Now you just sound like an ignorant whiner who's crying about how everyone does stuff you can't see but you know they're doing it, like all those guys in CA yelling 'ZOMG HAX KIK KIK NAO' everytime you get a headshot or two in a row while sniping their exit.
"Blueberrymuffin is the one who convinced me to play without AA"
1) He would. I hear him whining every time I'm in an LD match with him, and my friend even talked to me to vent about how he was going on about bombers having no skill.
2) So you used AA before, and now that you don't, instead of trying to convince others that it's better to play without it in LD/show them up by pwning them even with their little helper, you decide to whine about how it should be removed from the game because it allegedly involves 'no-skilling'?
"Manual FTW!
Grow up. Seriously.
"you gonna use'em forever, babies?"
You do realize you sound like an arrogant prick right? Owait, you don't have to SOUND like one.
"those saying that they don't use auto aim, it's obvious if you do because of your combo's directions, range and how big the changes in direction + changes are."
You really are stupid aren't you? You can't tell ANYTHING unless they make it blindingly obvious by attacking where you once were with a full attack combo. It's a simple matter to change direction of your attack WHILE attacking. I do that myself, but I know plenty of others who can do it BETTER.
"You really are stupid aren't you? You can't tell ANYTHING unless they make it blindingly obvious by attacking where you once were with a full attack combo." Exactly what I`m saying about combos.
"So you used AA before, and now that you don't, instead of trying to convince others that it's better to play without it in LD/show them up by pwning them even with their little helper, you decide to whine about how it should be removed from the game because it allegedly involves 'no-skilling'?"
Never said it involves no skill, said it`s an advantage, which you called a little helper. :)
"1) He would. I hear him whining every time I'm in an LD match with him, and my friend even talked to me to vent about how he was going on about bombers having no skill."
Repeatedly holding charge is skill to you?
Also, your metaphor sucks as LD is not a life death situation.
Think of it as a race up a tower. You and your opponent both want to win badly, so one of them decides to run up the steps of the escalator (the auto aim). He wins because you take the stairs because you want to be fair (manual), and he says he has more skills than you because he won. You say that it is not fair. He calls you a whiner and says you are using excuses because you could have taken the escalator too.
Call me whatever you want, "escalator users", do you really think I care?
'Escalator users'?
Pray tell where I said I use Auto Aim myself? I hardly play LD anymore.
"do you really think I care?"
No, I don't. But it does show how much of a prick you are. And you've put it here for all to see, so no, it won't matter what I think.
You say my metaphor sucks, hypocrite. There were no rules against using the 'escalator', so you just deliberately shot yourself in the foot to give yourself a challenge.
If you can verify without any doubt that they're AAing, AND they brag about how much they pwnzered everyone, THEN you have some right to be mad.
However, that doesn't change the fact that you're just shooting yourself in the foot repeatedly by saying AA is such a big help to people/they shouldn't use it it makes things easier, when you want to win the 'pro way' by NOT using AA. It's a challenge you gave yourself, you can't whine about others not following suit.
It's like taking a BTB to a construct level when everyone else packs a Brandish. Brandishes make it easier, not their fault if you're just making it difficult for yourself.
Also, I said he could just end up breaking a few bones. In any case, it's a help he chose not to take for whatever reason.
"Never said it involves no skill, said it`s an advantage, which you called a little helper."
Again, never said it wasn't.
"Repeatedly holding charge is skill to you?"
Shut up. Right now.
I'm personally not a bomber, although I do use one occasionally, but I can tell you, bombers can go through HELL trying to do what they do.
They have to hold a charge, which slows them down. They have to place the bomb, and hope like hell someone will walk into it's blast radius in the heat of battle. They are completely open to attack while prepping their own. If they rush, and leave a gap in their bomb placement, its all it takes for a striker to come in and shred them to pieces before they can place another bomb. Their Hazes are mere irritants to attackers, only hindering them slightly before they shred them apart completely.
"Another stupid noob"
Ikr? The guy who posted above me IS pretty stupid, shooting himself in the foot and complaining others don't do the same.
Obviously, Fodow, you have little reading comprehension and no ability to connect two logical points together. Psychodestroyer has effectively rebutted most of your statements for me. However, this stands out...
I don't care about AA tracking recons (and it does, I've tested)
No, it doesn't, you're an idiot, and you obviously did not watch the video I linked to where it clearly shows it NOT tracking a cloaked Recon. Here's the link again, since you missed it the first time. And just in case you still can't see it, here it is again, the text of the URL itself - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jx65dGih2Y&feature=g-upl and I've also put it in the subject line of this post. You have no excuse. Go watch it.
Until you come back with solid video footage of AA tracking cloaked Recons, GTFO, because you have no useful opinions or knowledge to add.
Just make it stop tracking cloaked Recons and I'm OK.
Someone is either trolling, or failed to read anything in the discussion.
1. In that video, you fail to realize that you have no indication that you're using AA.
2. You didn't even hit, so you haven't proven anything.
The indication is the AA targeting reticule. If you have trouble seeing it, play the video at the maximum resolution, and full-screen it. Notice how it clearly appears when he was not cloaked, but when after he cloaked, it clearly did not appear. You do NOT have to swing for the targeting reticule to show up. Your lack of knowledge regarding AA betrays you.
Come back with some actual evidence, the onus is on YOU to prove the glitch exists. I could claim that hitting F3 while in game instantly refills your energy if you're in the middle of fighting Vanaduke, but I'd certainly have to prove that. So, bring evidence or be silent, nobody cares what you think, or what you heard, or if your best friend's sister's boyfriend's mother told you they had AA track a Recon. Without evidence, you have nothing.
I logged on just for this :o +1!
i HATE toothpicks comin ma way.
Protip - read more than just the first post in a four page discussion to keep from looking like a lazy fool.
The only one who looks like a fool here is you.
"Auto-target does not track cloaked recons, for the last time. If you got hit while cloaked, it was because your movements were predictable."
Lol, just because it doesn't show up on the screen doesn't mean that they aren't being targeted w/ AA. Had you used a 3-hit combo chances are you would've hit the recon. Not because of skill, but because of AA. IMO, you're the fool here because you think AA doesn't track cloaked recons and you continue to make false statements and personal attacks towards Fodow.
^My first forum argument! How exciting! How'd I do?
After seeing Eldibs video I decided to try it for myself.
It does seem to work, but the thing is you have to have your mouse over the cloaked recon for it to work. In other words, the issue would not be solved even if it was taken away because if the same instance happened without auto aim they would still head towards you because their mouse is over you, whether they know your there or not.
Here's a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq2qJv6MU5A&feature=youtu.be
P.S. Auto Aim bomb OP, nerf pls.
I'm not going to bother reading all the flames. But I'll state what I know, after hours of trying to enjoy LD.
Flourishes Are the End all. Fast speed and Interruption... as well as all armor being half, or less then that, effective against it.
Optimizers Are, indeed, jerks. By optimizing, you are showing me that you only care about yourself, and the damage you can do. Not about the team.
AA Is a crutch for skill. It is used By newbs trying to get a hang of the game. It is also used by those who want even more of an edge in LD. See Optimizers above.
Polaris is used by swordsmen on a choke point, while they get the point, so they can win. If there are two of them, it can make a passage unusable... This should only be able to be done by bombers, its what they are for.
Spamming any sort of weapon is like Swallowing a spider to kill the fly you accidentally ate. It just gets worse.
There are no defensive gear, and this is bad. It means that no one can really think about doing any sort of team support, because its all based or Damage, and keeping the other team KO'd.
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Really? I Try to play LD for fun, as the game its supposed to be. Teamwork based. But nope. Thanks to the above, its a Pay To Win Clone War.
...ofc the clone is gonna want to deny this... they get an advantage... and that's all they care about.
Lets see YOU get MY score in MY gear. Nope, cant do it without fodder on the other team.
~Tsu
@Freezingflame
Had you used a 3-hit combo chances are you would've hit the recon.
Provide video evidence to back that up. The onus it on you to prove the glitch's existence, not on me to disprove it. Burden of proof. I was being nice by going out of my way to provide a video. Until you can conclusively prove that the glitch exists, then we must logically conclude that it does not exist. Ever hear of Russell's Teapot? You claim it exists, so prove it or be silent.
you continue to make false statements
So, asking you to back up your claim is a false statement, huh? Yeah. That makes total sense. And I'm the fool here?
and personal attacks towards Fodow
If you'll read more than just one or two posts, you'll have noticed that Fodow was the one who initiated personal attacks. Here, let me quote them from his first posting here, for you...
"you gonna use'em forever, babies?"
"knowing how to use auto aim is knowing how to be a noob"
"I can give you a page long list of those who use that set and suck"
Calling people "babies," "noob," and claiming they suck? Those sound like personal attacks to me.
My first forum argument! How exciting! How'd I do?
Well, let's see, you failed to read all of the recent posts, tried to discredit my evidence without posting any counter-evidence, made claims with no supporting evidence, and tried to defend someone who was posting personal attacks, by personally attacking me about personal attacks. You get an F, come back when you actually have some reasoning and deductive powers to use.
@Tsubasa-No-Me
Not all Optimizers are jerks. When I play LD, I try to use every advantage available, and play to my strengths, but I'm more concerned about winning, not damage. If I only got 2k damage, but the team won, that's still a victory to me. The problem is when the Optimizers think they are Rambo, and focus on killing everyone rather than actually winning.
Also, Polaris on a choke point isn't impossible to beat. Proper use of Guardian shields will completely shut down two people spamming Polaris. If you take the alternate path around, with Gran Faust you can usually get a free full combo off before they can react, usually netting you a kill or two, and allowing you to take the point. Even better, get a Guardian to tie up their Polaris spam as a distraction, then go around and slice them up.
@Trollingyou
I don't even care which side you're on, you are the only one who actually bothered to produce any evidence at all (though it's a shame the LD players wouldn't quit hassling you and let you test in peace), so you win. /thread
I agree with Fodow.
And Eldibs, you're a noob that tries to justify the use of aa because without it you're useless.
There's lot of people with max ASI that just spams the combo against everyone around, being too hard to kill unless you're really fast.
About gunners, I know many of them that are good without aa and still do plenty of damage, besides with the latest buff, the aa gives a great advanatge to the gunners that use it.
competitive play? I don't think that's what this game is really about.
Korean starcraft is competitive play.
Certain FPS games are competitive play.
Spiral knights is not competitive play. It's more of a mushy happy hack things up game.
Any changes to the game should be aimed at making the game more fun for more players, and having auto aim certainly helps.
So what if auto-aim gives n00bs a boost?
A. Be a man and handle it.
B. Use auto-aim yourself
C. If you take away auto game and you can PWN all the other players with your overlarge internet appendix, the newer players will have a harder time playing, and this hurts the game in many ways. Leave some pie for the new guy.
I honestly don't care.
I +1'd this thread because I thought it was a good idea. Then, you go and call me a lazy fool. I wasn't planning on making more than one post, but I felt the need to.
Video?
I don't have to make a video. I and many others know for a fact that AA works on cloaked recons. I don't care whether you beleive me or not.
Fodow calling you a noob because you use auto aim?
It was designed for newer players so he partially [however it's spelled] correct.
P.S.
I like to keep my posts to a minimum so I won't be poasting here again. I probably won't even click on this thread again so don't bother with another wall of text, Dibs.
Contri, I never claimed I was a skilled combatant, but I'm definitely not useless. When the situation arises, I will switch to Guardian and support my team that way if I'm not fighting effectively. More importantly, I don't recall ever facing you in Lockdown. If you can't beat someone spamming AA Flourish Combos, then you're the noob in Lockdown. Try not standing in front of them, noob. Move to the side.
Freezingflame, I don't care if you're not going to respond, you made a claim, which was wrong, and then you say you don't have to prove it? You are a lazy fool, and you are wrong. Go try it on the cloaked Recon Gremlins in OCH. Go and actually try to hit a cloaked Recon in LD. It does NOT work.
Hey, guys! There's this glitch, if you stand next to Basil, and then send a mail with 1000CE to a knight named Eldibs, you get 10,000CE added to your CE count. It's true! I don't have to prove it. It's right, and if you don't believe it, you are wrong. I demand that the mail system be removed from the game!
Did some games as a recon with the same loadout, same tactics, etc. Here's the results
Highest cumulative stats as recon with AA: 13.3k dmg // 5 captures // 6 defends
Highest cumulative WITHOUT AA: 15.4k dmg // 2 captures // 0 defends
IDK if caps/defs have anything to do with AA but I believe it's all personal preference (I've been running PvE without AA for a while so I guess I'm jaded XD). On the other hand, if anything, maybe I've proved AA = more defends >.>;