Dibs? -.-

Ok, Look, first off YOU try beating a ASI MAX Flourish Skolver in what I wear: Fallen, with a CTR high Suda, A ASI low WHB, and an Iron Slug. Beat 11k damage with that, And No cannon fodder on the other team, and Maybe I'll listen to you. Untill then, you seem to be nothing more then a wolver clone to me.

Second, I'm not one for Dissing and mocking. Especially the unintelligent ones.

"If you can't beat someone spamming AA Flourish Combos, then you're the noob in Lockdown"
"you made a claim, which was wrong" Well thanks for your opinion, now please stop trying to convince others that it is the End all.
"You are a lazy fool, and you are wrong"

Let me say this as nicely as I can: I don't care for the way You are speaking to others here. And this dissing? I'm not impressed. So why don't you go crawl back to the fetid swamp you came from. Because your head is obviously filled with the fecal matter of birds and drowned Oxes. You may be clever with your words, but that's only due to your tongue rivaling Medusa's ugly mug in the snake department.

I really don't care, or have time for your nonsense, So I'll state: AA works on recons, You just can't see any of it. But it does add 1/5 to 1/3 of a square in some cases. Oh? What? No video? GASP! ...Get over it, I'm one to test things out, And I don't care to constantly record everything... See the above paragraph before posting about this one. -.(\

SUUUDAAAAAAAAAARUUUUSSKAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
~Tsu

"Summary: Do whatever you want with AA, just don't complain about things that you lose to.
If you're really so great, learn to kill the autoaimers."

This Guy gets it.

@Eldibs
Sorry, should've been more specific. My bad.

I meant I don't care if you beleive me or not. I'm not lazy, nor am I a fool. As I said, it was after you called me a lazy fool for voicing my opinion that I got involed in the matter of whether or not AA tracks cloaked recons. I only read a few of the recent posts because I do not play recon and therefore I do not care about this subject. I saw enough to know that you though AA didn't track cloaked recons and so I corrected you.
Beleive me or don't beleive me. The choice is entirely yours.

Glad we don't have to hate eachother over such a silly topic. I know OOO will never remove AA, I just wanted to show I support the removal of it.

This is why I don't post often. I'm not too good with arguements so it seems the suggestion section of the forums is not for me.

-FF

OK Devs:
Some people of the community think AA should be removed. Are you considering it or not?

To the rest of the community:
OK seriously? Let this thread die. Too many personal attacks. The purpose of LD is to have FUN. Everyone shush your yap about AA.
And if anyone SUPPORTS AA being removed, just type +1 in your post and say something like you support it or something. Scroll up this page 5 of the thread and you'll see Darkcub has set a very nice example. Follow his example.
We are DONE arguing. DONE. You hear? NO MOAR.

WELL GEE SORRY I CAN AFFORD A GOOD GPU THAT CAN HANDLE 16x AA AND YOU CAN'T

@Klipik:

"+1"

I am disappointed Klipik, disappointed...

U NEVER SEEN HAMMAH IN ACTION.

@Topic, +1

After my schedule clears up I will record a video that demonstrates how to hammer spam.

@Shamanala:

I always say to myself that you will change, but it seems you won't. I will summarize what annoys me in you in this sentence:
"Your way of comparing things and reasoning on them IS HORRIBLE AND RIDICULOUS."

You compare SK with LoL?! Seriously?! No really?!!

LD is competitive when there are people playing for winning. But don't tell us that it's un-competitive just because you get wrecked by others so you ragequit because of losing. Seriously...

Just stop comparing at least...

As balanced as BN is, it has some major flaws. Ever tried getting back into the game when your opponent has 5 movement speed and you have 1? They can practically place a bomb behind you, run through you, and place another. The game gets imbalanced in itself, if that's a good way to put it. LD gets imbalanced outside of it with UVs and trinkets and some gear simply being bad.

you can play as well if not better by not using AA. if you don't wanna take the time to learn though, i don't mind.

people using AA have never frustrated me. i play recon a lot, and i usually don't even sword. people using AA however become extremely predictable and i can land extra shots on them.

i've tried using AA myself a little bit, but as a gunner it forces most of my shots to miss. the only way to use it is to time shots for when someone stops (like swinging a sword) this itself isn't always easy to do, so it's not like it solves everything. almost all the drivers miss with AA unless you walk up close, and then you can make the shots without it anyway. charges are usually best for guns at max range, but AA always makes them miss for me.

AA hammer is in fact one of my favorite kinds of people to fight. they can usually hit me once, then they are dead. look for where their next attack will put them and aim to hit there with the timing right after they swing. works for flourish and other swords too.

quick tip:
i'm not sure everyone realizes this, and most certainly people who complain about AA probably don't know... but you should lead with sword swings a little, much like guns. it may feel like it's instant dmg, but it's not. the game registers hits at the server. the signal has to go to the server before it will register in the world, and your opponent has already moved and sent the signal from the server to you. you're getting the picture from the server after the fact for everyone else, but shows your inputs on your screen when you press them. little adjustments for your ping might help you out. (yes this can involve leading a different amount for different people who have different pings, you'll just have to recognize them and get a feel for it)

good luck non AAer's, but stop complaining and play smarter. i know you can do it. non AA is harder, but not worse...

At a high level (if you can say that exists in SK), that may be true, but at the middle and lower skill levels AT is a real problem. People can get far better results using AT than they otherwise would have. It's too easy. It's a F.O.O. Strategy. Just because there is something a little bit better that requires a lot more effort doesn't mean that there is no problem.

Further discussion here.

Ideas I had to "solve" the AT problem:

1) Remove it! (cheers, will never happen)
2) Remove it form T3 only. Make it a pure skill tier, like it should be.
3) Make it a paid feature, just like elevator pass: $6 per month and you can have your awesome aimbot! (OOO, this is your chance to make BANK!)
4) Make it so that AT users have something that clearly identifies them, like an evil purple aura or... a giant yellow arrow above their head.
5) Make custom lobbies, where one can create/join games for only non-AT players.

If i was OOO, I'd go with number 3.
Thank me later guys.

I call dibs on some of the revenue!

I'm not being arrogant nor selfish. I just want to be killed by someone that is actually aiming at me, not by someone that bases his tactics by throwing 10000 hits, knowing AT will do the job for him/her.

One day we'll have AT-free LD, like it or not.

The day OOO removes AA from LD will hopefully be the day they also remove the ability to wear 2 Heart Trinkets at the same time (from LD only). Those things make LD far more unbalanced than AA. Seriously, a Striker with as much HP or more than a Recon is just wat.

Inb4 "lolol you AA noob, you just saying that because your AA can't help you kill people with 2 heart trinkets" because I play LD as a bomber with only a GF as sword, and I don't need AA for the bombs or GF :3

That's already been mentioned, as well as lag issues for people with slower connections or that have really high ping due to being too faraway from the servers (Australia, Asia, anywhere but Europe or the USA). I think the best bet would be doing like a few people suggested several posts ago: make the game only enable AA if player is over a certain amount of ping, or if they're using a joypad/keyboard only to play.

I have no idea how easy/difficult that might be to program into the game though, so we might never see that happening. And I fear that any Devs/GMs/CMs will risk dipping their toes in this famished piranha pond to say anything about the matter :p

Did you even read the post I made before your first post here? I did say that Heart trinkets make LD a lot more unbalanced than AA/AT/Whatever you want to call it.

What do you mean with "2 Penta Heart in tier1 being an emblematic case."? You know that if you equip 5 star trinkets you get sorted into tier 3 LD, just how if you have most of your gear with 3 stars but you have one weapon/helm/armour at 4 or 5 stars, you get sorted into Tier 3, right? So it's impossible to use 4 and 5 star trinkets, armour or weapons in Tier 0, 1 and 2 of LD unless you found some bug to do it (Btw, I got online to test it before I made this post, just to be sure).

Also, Blast Network isn't as "ever equal" as you say. If your computer or connection isn't that good you can get trapped by bombs that are placed on top of you. And I think there's also some glitch where you sometimes manage to walk between a bomb and a wall (At least according to a friend of mine that plays on a rather old computer; I don't play or like BN much because I always sucked at Bomberman :p).

Edit: I also never complain about AA users when I die. It annoys me more when people just keep spamming their Trollaris at my spawn area.

Yes, because threads like this always stay on topic. But if you insist...

OOO, DON'T remove Auto-Target from Lockdown. Lots of players need it to compensate for horrible lag or older hardware. Besides, there's other stuff that makes Lockdown a lot more unbalanced than Auto-Target.

wow what is with you guys and these post i use auto aim all the time in ld and trust me i still lose to alot of people in fact i havent improved my damage output since i started playing ld. OOO added dash to help you become even better at ld to dodge attacks and you still complain.

heck i have an even better idea, every in this thread post your current average damage numbers in ld then go turn on AA and then do a couple of rounds of ld and then post your average damage numbers again, this will solve the whole aa users are noobs thing once and for all. if your are marginally better with aa on i mean like atleast a whole 2k -3k increase on your average then ok aa makes that big of a difference and something should maybe be done but if not then no more threads and no more calling people aa noobs.

But seriously, if AA is removed, here's what'll happen:

Every time a T2 LD player (yes, T2) would enter a random match, when the game starts they try to start poking the enemies with their toothpicks but fail because it's so hard to aim it, yet its probably the biggest source of damage they can do. Result: RAPIDLY getting killed by those defender elites (or higher) because those people have dem rocket hammers which can get out of control way too easily.

Counter arguments: IT'S BECAUSE OF A BAD PLAYER!THEY ARE JUST NOOBS WHO ARE NOTHING COMPARED TO (player)!
Just no... while that uses *common sense*, you do notice that you're team is spamming rockets all the time?!

Adding more later.

Except there's people that are LD regulars by now that started playing LD with AA and eventually moved on to use with no AA because it gives more freedom and better control over your attacks. I know a couple of people like that and I try to do that too (Even though I still use AA when my connection gets unbearably high pinged and I start getting hit by people that are 2 or 3 tiles away from me. And only with toothpicks, which I barely use anyway.)

Also, while the video you linked might be somewhat related: LD? Skill? With the unbalance that dual Penta Heart strikers everywhere creates? Right.

I guess I didn't explain it well enough: I see myself far away enough to not be hit by a toothpick/GF/Hammer swipe, but I get hit anyway. The toothpick comment I made was more of a "I only use AA when I use a toothpick combo, which is rare".