It didn't do status effects, but each bomb did +-100pts of damage per bullet per revolution. At CTR max I was having an easy job of keeping three up. If JK is in the middle of the throne room, he will be hit be every bullet what, 4 times? 8 times?

This thread contains a lot of people who're whining about a nerf and a few bombers who've realized how cheesy this bomb was. When I compared it to a Blitz Needle, I wasn't joking. This thing was DISGUSTING. It's still disgusting, I'd wager. I'll have to do a JK run with it.

Look, there's zero effort put in with that bomb. I've beat JK with swords, guns, bombs....the not-preferred swords, guns, and bombs...yes. JK is easy enough to kill, especially in a group of 4 working in concert. I went down there with a pug nub on my first run with this bomb, and JK evaporated in about 45 sec. The nub didn't even get a chance to die. Seriously. I would wager that I could go in in a full pug of T1/T2s running around with their heat edges and proto bombs, and still kill JK in 45 seconds.

I'm pretty good at this game, but by no means elite. I have piles of gear to help me out, but essentially I still prefer a hilarious death over a boring fight. There was no choice in JK with this bomb. If you use it at all and JK wandered into it, you pop him into another phase. It was the same with the pre-patch FoV before JK got polyps and shields.

Also, I can see why they wouldn't want to nerf the hammer. It...sorta sucks. It's got some fun little extra hits, but that running-off thing sucks. There's no shield either, so you can easily run into a jumping zombie..and now get really hurt. I haven't used the hammer as a dedicated swordsman yet so it might be better when maxxing damage or maxxing asi.

Since he is so desperate to troll people.

Okay, fine. I sincerely would like to hear how the DA is overpowered in your words. I'm not trolling, I am sincerely expressing my opinion. If you're that confident that what I'm saying is a bunch of crap, then you should have no problem proving me wrong, right?

Someone using the FOV charge defeats the Jk in roughly the same ammount of time as a bomber using DR. I don't understand where you're going with that comparison Tengu, though I do see where you're coming from. However, it's the jelly king. A three star boss. This is a 5 star weapon. Does it really matter if it beat that one boss section?

it matters if it beats the boss in a broken way. FoV was a 15-second solo kill for a lot of people, and 30 seconds for me. DR is a 30 second solo kill as well, with in essence an unavoidable series of shadow bullets piling into him.

quite frankly, I believe JK was patched into his current version because everyone was going in and destroying JK with FoVs. DR readily turned the JK fight into a non-issue. Probably the Ice Queen fight too, as it's not that much harder than JK.

There's no sense in having a "gimme" weapon that's anathema to a boss, and this time instead of patching the boss, they patched the weapon.

I'm still gonna use it, btw. it's still going to be a very good bomb, and much better than the grav bomb. Pure damage with no knockback.

Explain to me how it isn't overpowered

Logic doesn't work that way. Burden of proof falls on the accuser, or in this case the one asserting DA is OP.

The point with it being a valid weapon for massacring JK is that it's already massively powerful and that's another thing to tack on, which it can do just out of pure damage output. Sure, other weapons can do it. Some can't. That's the point.

"Examples of WHAT?"
Since you didn't get them the first time I'll restate them, and throw some more info in, because why not.

-It's a kiting king in arenas. Anything it doesn't deal heavy damage to gets knocked back, and most of the time it takes heavy damage and knocks them back. All you need to do against most enemies is circle around the room spamming charge attacks in the enemy's general direction and you're fine. Oh, and it pierces Mecha Knight shields, and everything else except walls and minijellies for that matter. Most of the projectiles in the game don't do that, and if they do, they're hard to land. Mecha Knights are one of the most common enemies in any arena, and they can deal heavy damage if they catch up to you. With heavy knockback and some kiting, they never will.

-It deals massive damage to anything that gets caught in the charge, which is ranged, and knocks them back a far distance. The only other swords that can effectively do this without repercussions are the Brandish lines and to an extent thorn blades, the thorn blades dealing a small amount of damage in most cases to compensate. If there's a huge enemy in range, like a Lumber or Lichen colony, odds are it'll get trapped in more than one bullet, and the damage adds up. A lot.

-Now to defend the FSC scenario. "Pushing back enemies doesn't work" "The projectiles do crap" ...Umm, what? Even with minimal gear, each hit deals at least 120 damage per hit hitting for up to four to five times if you aim, and the initial hit deals a good amount of damage in itself. If anything is in that range for you to hit it with the initial slash, then it's going to be hit by more than one bullet, at least two extra projectile hits. The bullets also pierce enemies as aforementioned, so if you aim straight into a mob, everything is going to be knocked back and hit hard, whether there's five, or ten, or twenty. Maybe the frontal zombies will be knocked back less, but they're the ones prone to the most damage via initial slash and the proximity of the projectiles, meaning they'll go down in just a few more hits, so they aren't too much of an issue anymore. Not like you can't just shieldbump one back away anyhow, or kite a bit. Enemies do have slightly higher health in tier 3, but even in a four man group zombies typically have around 1600 health, which means some will go down in just two charges flat. Oh, and remember, piercing bullets. If you're aiming right into a huge mob you'll do at least 2k damage per charge.

I'd also like to mention that even if it's T3 S6, the Divine Avenger and other 5* weapons were meant for those levels, meaning they keep scaling up in damage with the enemies, even in Shadow Lairs (which are 'deeper' than S6 levels). And in a scenario where all four party members are spamming DA charges, well, that'd just be a massacre...

"I don't know, I don't even have that thing." ...What. Alright, the point they were trying to make was that even if it was pretty OP, it wasn't the most OP weapon out there.

Fffff--dammit, why OOO, why. The bomb was great for pure bombers so that they can do direct damage without blinding teammates with Nitro, but now...urgh, do not like.

The DA projectiles can hit more than one enemy at once, so the back of the blade can be hitting one enemy and the front can be hitting the one behind it.

Emphasis on 'huge'. And I meant 2k damage spread out over a wide amount of enemies; it can go higher than that of course and the damage to one enemy isn't negligible to begin with no matter how big or small it is. That's strange that you can kill a zombie in one charge; when I'm using my max damage+vh ASI gear in a four-player party, one zombie doesn't quite die sometimes. So I said two, for those occasions.

Zombies don't get THAT much of a health increase. If I'm solo, a zombie will go down in at max 2 full combos, just like in T2.

The damage the regular attacks do aren't seriously strong; they're good but I wouldn't say overpowered. Most of it's broken-ness comes from the massive amount of damage you can do to a massive amount of enemies in a single charge attack, where other weapons can't. It's like having a high-damage bomb in the form of a sword that has a regular attack, and I don't think I've ever seen a bomb surpassing a DA's total damage, in any mob size, save for pre-nerf DR.

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...We should probably stop turning this thread into a brick wall full of somewhat-off-topic debate...

The DA projectiles can hit more than one enemy at once, so the back of the blade can be hitting one enemy and the front can be hitting the one behind it.

Yeah, this I remember, but I was talking about having four or five in a line-up. I don't know, I guess you're not supposed to use it on that large a group.

when I'm using my max damage+vh ASI gear
Really? You could have said this earlier, you know. I was talking about with no boosts whatsoever.

Well, I don't know. Maybe I would have thought DA was overpowered at one point, but I feel as if its strengths are offset by the fact that it's slow, its combo does less than that of the Brandish line (GF too, but that's a different story), inflicts no status effects, and its charge attack takes a while to make use of, unless I get that charge module thingy.

I guess I hate it when things get pushed back, too.

I think i agree with Zeroxh. I don't quite mind the damage reduction, but i miss how fast the bomb swirled.
I thought it was rather cool how quickly it swirled.
The bomb was a little ridiculous, especially when fighting jelly king.
Now it has been nerfed to fix that, but the only thing i miss now is how fast the bomb spun.
I'm only hoping they return its swirly-ness.

The thing about how fast it spins is that if you speed it up or slow it down, you're increasing or decreasing it's ability to hit mobs that aren't sitting in its radius. I think it got nerfed because it was meant to deal with huge masses of enemies, not just a few.

The DA is the biggest offender when it comes to charge attacks like that because it deals a Brandish-like spread across three directions at once, so it's not just going to be one or two zombies left with low health.

'I think i agree with Zeroxh. I don't quite mind the damage reduction, but i miss how fast the bomb swirled."

I'm actually thinking the Opposite. I didn't like seeing how fast those Orbs Spinned, but I did like the Damage. Keep the Speed & Buff the Damage a Bit. That's all I want.

On the divine avenger argument, it is over powered, anyone saying differently is either trolling or selling something. This is a fact that we have to come to terms with. The population angry with the divine avenger as it is now is much smaller than it would be if they nerfed it. I will spare you the highly over-used scout quote with grass and facts of nature. Oh, yes and as long as I do this, I might as well clear up my previous comment. I was NOT defending the nerf. I despise it. All it tried to accomplish was provide some counter-spin. To get the bomb in the first place, you had to be rather adept with shadow weapons, it is not as if there are a shortage of them in the game. What the bomb now allows you to do is combat slimes and gremlins more passive-aggressively instead of going gung-ho and charging in with weapons raised.

I saw where there was not a princess bride quote and said no, this will not do.

Oh, and about point two, for the conservative bomber, with mad suit etc., I think the bomb may still have the advantage there.

seriously, that and /nope need to be legitimate commands. But actually, WHY shouldn't it be?

Seems OOO can't judge how to properly fix any weapon......they either make it WAY too OP (rocket hammer) or nerf it to a stupid degree. At 46 DMG max at a T3 arena; I'd say this weapon now takes the cake as second worst weapon, soon to be THE worst if OOO follows through with their promise.

I'm telling you guys, this proves that all OOO cares about is money. Some people try to hope OOO actually cares about the community, when in reality, their only goal is money alone.

Well we gotta keep up the tradition of swords being far superior to every other weapon class in the game, right?

Has there ever been a case where OOO nerfed a weapon too harshly, then undid the nerf or half undid the nerf? Or maybe even rework it so it isn't silly to use?

I'm trying to see how much light is at the end of this cave, and even if it's visible in the first place... :x

It needed a nerf, but not one this big. That much is clear.

Devs should restore the speed next patch, then see if it's good enough. If not, bump the damage up a bit more. (Of course, would have been better if they'd used the incremental approach in nerfing to begin with.)

@njthug

it may still work good on jelly king, but try and take it to tier 3 in some arena's and such. i tested 2 different arena's while doing missions earlier, one with 3 people group one with 2 people group, with me only doing damage as fast as i could spam and trying to get the healers with max damage + max ctr i could not kill anything on the last arena last phase, after running around spamming for over 5 mins, i switched to poison bomb and let the healers kill all the mobs in under 30 seconds. now that clearly shows its been nerfed way too much, what i think they did was based the nerf off 5* players with max ctr's and max damage running tier 2 which it clearly should not be how its nerfed. theres more details in my previous post.

I think the speed was fine. Damage lowered, fine. But the speed means it actually hits stuff.

With lowered speed+lowered damage=less hits+less damage overall.

With just lowered damage, that's just lowered damage, but not completely overdone.

Minor nerf-undo plz OOO?

BS Toastnaut I tested the nerf heavily before making my post. The DR cannot dps faster than a Darkfang mender can heal nor can it deal enough damage to kill a Darkfang Thwaker. In fact compared against a partially heated Blackhawk the DR is now rubbish as the Blackhawk deals far more damage at a far faster rate. I repeat the 5 star DR is dramatically out dps'd by the 4 star Blackhawk.

The only mobs the DR was even op against before the update where the large slow moving ones like RJ, GLCs and Lumbers. Now the only mobs it's even effective against.

@ Megatrondf
I posted what I had done in my mission with the chromas and menders while I was still in the level I'd done it in.

The bomb absolutely can out-DPS mender healing and does so easily. If you place ONE BOMB and walk away obviously it's not going to do squat.
I brought my sentenza too, on the run I was on, and yep per shot it does more damage but you can only do more damage with it (or the 4*) if you're only shooting at one thing. I wouldn't waste my time trying to kill one normal enemy with the bomb any more than I do with a haze bomb or a blast bomb.
Against a group of enemies, placing the new bomb staggered so they overlap right works great.
Like I said, and did, three menders couldn't keep up enough to heal a bunch of chromas.

Call BS all you want, it doesn't change the truth.

@Echoez

I laughed when I heard it and I still think it's funny as well. That's part of the draw of trying to see if it's any use at all even after the nerf.
If you want specifics, the claim I heard was that it works fine for 1 and 3, but obviously you need a different strategy for phase 5 because of the small radius. I only GOT specifics because I was skeptical when I was told about it in the first place, and asked how the shadow damage fared, given it isn't supposed to have any effect at all in phase 5.

I'm glad to entertain, because all of these rage threads need some more humor and a bit less... well everything else, mostly.

How about numbers Toast a single DR does about 175 max in T3. A Darkfang Mender can heal for as much as 250 and can do this multiple times in the time it takes for the DR to do its max damage. Nice charge time reduction on your bombs by the way; I can only get two going at once.

All that is beside the point; a single volley from a 4 star weapon should not out damage a single volley from a 5 star weapon.

What the hell. Royal Jelly? Dark Retribution kills it in 30+ seconds. So what? Acheron and Combuster can do it just as quickly.

Conclusion: OOO are obviously biased towards swordsmen and they can't deny it after this completely fail nerf