Low - 1 pip
Medium - 2 pips
High - 3 pips
Maximum - 4 pips
New UV for armors: Health
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 03:58
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 04:21
#2
Why should I explain anything
Why should I explain anything to you? It's the "Suggestions" forum and not the "Looking for feedback for a possible suggestion" forum.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 04:49
#3
blarg
oh no. we got another person trying to be smart over here...
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 04:53
#4
Go troll somewhere else, this
Go troll somewhere else, this is the only place one can direct suggestions to OOO, just because you can see them, doesn't mean you should come and say whatever you want. Don't come in my thread to troll/flame.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 04:55
#5
um
From what Paweu's saying, you have to have a Maximum on each piece of armor in order to obtain a mere 8 blocks of health. Doesn't really seem overpowered to me.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 04:58
#6
@Paweu
I wasn't trying to be a troll, i just hate people who are mean right off the bat...
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 05:06
#7
...?
"Why should I explain anything to you? It's the "Suggestions" forum and not the "Looking for feedback for a possible suggestion" forum."
Uh...but...that's kinda what we're supposed to DO here...
Would we be able to post replies otherwise? And not just simply have a Like/Dislike button?
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 05:09
#8
Why don't you go to the bug
Why don't you go to the bug report section then and comment all over those threads there? Didn't it hit you on your way here that there might be no such a thing because it's a waste of resource to implement (because the vanilla implementation doesn't have such functionality)?
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 05:15
#9
^
Do you have to be such a jerk about it?
I wasn't even being sarcastic. I was totally serious.
Whatever. You're clearly new to the suggestions section, and by your reactions to recent posts, I'd say you don't fit here either.
I mean this non-aggressively, but just go back to Gremlin Chatter/General Discussions, because you clearly don't know how the suggestions forum works.
I'm personally disappointed. I expected more..I suppose 'maturity' from you, being an older forumer, yet you're acting like all the other new suggestions posters who add 'dn't post if u dn't like plz TINK POSITIVE" to their OP.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 05:17
#10
"Whatever. You're clearly new
"Whatever. You're clearly new to the suggestions section, and by your reactions to recent posts, I'd say you don't fit here either.
I mean this non-aggressively, but just go back to Gremlin Chatter/General Discussions, because you clearly don't know how the suggestions forum works."
What the flying duck? Is this really the suggestions forum? Or did I accidentally come to some religious cult forums?
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 05:21
#11
?
"Or did I accidentally come to some religious cult forums"
I see no reasoning behind this statement.
I did not state anywhere anything to do with religion, and nor would I.
Nor am I being cultist, because I don't say anywhere that suggestions forumers are some sort of elitist group only a select few can join or some other fecal matter.
Although that's more supremacist than anything.
In any case, your argument makes no sense.
Since the beginning it made no sense. People are SUPPOSED to comment on whether the idea is good or not/it's been said before or not/whether it could WORK or not.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 05:26
#12
Just because you think you
Just because you think you are an sheriff doesn't mean you are one, now back off my thread already. Can't even make a suggestion because self-proclaimed authorities will try to swarm and digest you.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 05:35
#13
.....
You do realize, the more you post on this subject, the further you damage your reputation to those who read this thread. There are most likely some forumers with a somewhat high opinion of you (You were on the more positive side in my case, until now), and you damage their faith in you with this thread.
I'm not pretending to be some patrolman, looking out for out-of-liners, because, in case you haven't noticed already, that's what most of us do.
You aren't even listening to me. You're just going "Dis guy iz against me, better tell him to GTFO so he can get out of my sight."
In any case, any respect I had for you is lost. You're acting childish and hostile for no reason, even when people post valid arguments.
You're supposed to explain and DEFEND the credibility of your idea to those who don't understand, and improve it if the need arises. That's the way this section of the forums work.
But you didn't look at that. You saw this forum, formed your own idea of how it should work, went with it and tried to bite any had that tried to point you any other way.
I am only one voice of many, and I don't know exactly what the others will say, so stop pretending I hold myself in a high value. I don't. Never have.
I used to respect you somewhat, but now...
You disappoint me.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 05:40
#14
Oh no, I lost someone's
Oh no, I lost someone's respect on the internet because he had no respect to respect me.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 05:49
#15
Ready to be raged at. *braces himself*
>"Why should I explain anything to you? It's the "Suggestions" forum and not the "Looking for feedback for a possible suggestion" forum."
It's not really that. It's that this thread is almost the equivalent of someone posting "Hey, I want a new gremlin boss" and that's it. Elaborating as to why this might be useful would help people get on your side.
See this: http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/47235
Compared to this: http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/52494
And if you don't want feedback, just send OOO an email. This is a public forum, and we will give feedback, period.
On topic: I'm not sure if this would be OP to be honest, since the UV you're suggesting would probably be on par with a Max armor boost from a UV. So kinda meh to me. Most people would still probably go with armor boost UV's since they'd probably be more effective when you can survive multiple hits anyways.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 05:51
#16
:)
Didn't expect you to care.
Somehow though, further disappointing. I expected more/better from you.
That done, looks like I won't have to be so euphamistic anymore.
/cracks knuckles
Your response to other posts suck, putting it mildly, you didn't put in any reasoning to how your idea would help the game/be useful at all other than being a UV, you didn't bother to defend your idea from accusations of ineffectiveness, you refuse to accept criticism, insisting that we're just being a bunch on somebody-wannabes.
You failed to realize the way the suggestions forum works, you failed to accept your method of approach is both ineffectual and rude, and shows you are incapable of progressing this idea any further due to your inability to accept that you are being a total prick in your reaction to replies, which you MAY (at a long shot) have noticed if you read other threads in the suggestions forum before posting your own idea.
TL;DR: This idea can go to burn just because you were the one that posted it. You can't even accept criticism, let alone reply nicely to someone that asked you a question.
Call me a sheriff again if you want, it makes no difference. I'm just doing what's SUPPOSED to be done here, so cry about it all you want.
And that's not even from my own opinion. You can't even see what's right infront of your eyes.
What a disappointment.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 06:00
#17
Even if you say that I should
Even if you say that I should mail them that gives me no guarantee that they will ever read that or treat it as a suggestion as there is no info on the website to do so, on the other hand, here is the Suggestions section. I don't really want to deal with all the backseat moderating in this sub-forum nor have I faith that they'll read my email even. Is asking for no replies too much for this sub-section? Other sub-forums are less agressive and have no self-proclaimed moderators. God forbid you break any of their rules.
EDIT: "TL;DR: This idea can go to burn just because you were the one that posted it. You can't even accept criticism, let alone reply nicely to someone that asked you a question."
This clearly is an personal attack, I don't really want to backseat-moderate but you should really cease that.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 06:08
#18
...You're kidding.
"Is asking for no replies too much for this sub-section? "
Yes, because ideas are supposed to be DISCUSSED, weren't you LISTENING?
If you're so keen to not receive replies, then I have a message for you:
You've gotten your idea through, a dev will read it, you can be sure of that, so why don't you just up and leave this section already. You obviously don't care for replies, so why bother to read them?
You keep calling me a self proclaimed moderator, yet I fail to see where I call myself one. Argument= down the drain.
You're still not listening. More proof you shouldn't have even posted here, you don't know half of what you're doing, save for "I'm SUGGESTING something!"
EDIT: You make it sound like I care. Someone with your attitude, I'm surprised you noticed.
And no, not a personal attack. Personal attacks are directly insulting you with foul language, or insulting you family/culture/anything personal.
At best, that's just me being prejudice.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 06:06
#19
I'll just /complain about
I'll just /complain about your inflamatory posts.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 06:11
#20
Heh
That's cool.
Again, making it sound like I'm supposed to care.
My argument stands. If a GM bans be for improper conduct, fine. I'll deal with it.
But that's more than I can say for you. You call my posts inflammatory, yet you're the one refusing to listen to anything anyone is saying, let alone take any information from it.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 06:14
#21
Yes, your posts are so
Yes, your posts are so because you didn't even comment on the idea itself but only came here to arson this whole thread.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 06:15
#22
Rage moar? :P
"Is asking for no replies too much for this sub-section? Other sub-forums are less agressive and have no self-proclaimed moderators."
1) You never asked for no one to reply to this thread.
2) You opened as being aggressive, not us. See your post #2. #1 asked for more elaboration in a way that I don't see how it can be "aggressive".
3) No one here sees themselves as a moderator. Move on.
Also seems you just read a single sentence from my post, and moved on being angry. Chill out. We're not out to get you.
I'll reiterate my point. Elaboration is key to the suggestions forum. If you don't elaborate, people will ask questions which is something you clearly don't like :/
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 06:18
#23
HAH
"you didn't even comment on the idea itself"
Oh, I'm sorry, you wanted comments?
Owait: "Why should I explain anything to you? It's the "Suggestions" forum and not the "Looking for feedback for a possible suggestion" forum."
"only came here to arson this whole thread."
Oh my bad, you seem not to be listening again: Post #13 "In any case, any respect I had for you is lost. You're acting childish and hostile for no reason, even when people post valid arguments."
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 06:21
#24
"I'll reiterate my point.
"I'll reiterate my point. Elaboration is key to the suggestions forum. If you don't elaborate, people will ask questions which is something you clearly don't like :/"
From a quick glance over those forums I can see that there is no place for elaboration here, only for rebuttals.
EDIT: "Oh, I'm sorry, you wanted comments?"
No, just pointing out how much of a hypocrite you are.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 06:28
#25
Again, HAH
"From a quick glance over this thread I can see that there is no place for elaboration here, only for rebuttals."
Fixed.
Like I said, fail to see what's right in front of you.
Problem is, you're not looking anywhere outside your own threads.
In any case, that doesn't make any sense. Extribble called for YOU to elaborate YOUR idea. You refer to discussion, not elaboration.
Once again...not listening...
EDIT: EDIT: "Oh, I'm sorry, you wanted comments?"
No, just pointing out how much of a hypocrite you are.
This is why I'm so disappointed. At that point, I was TRYING to get you away from raging so you could DISCUSS you idea instead of telling everyone who posted to shut up. Instead, you responded aggressively, so I decided to screw it and respond in kind, as you CLEARLY were not going to change anytime soon.
You were the hostile one, I TRIED to help believe it or not, but no, you decided to be a prick about it.
Even Extribble's trying, and he's not getting ANYWHERE with you.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 06:25
#26
>"From a quick glance over
>"From a quick glance over those forums I can see that there is no place for elaboration here, only for rebuttals."
That's because 99% of the ideas people post here have been posted before and shot down for obvious reasons or the OP has given a vague suggestion. Just because they're a majority doesn't mean you need to join them ;)
EDIT: @Psycho: Chill out too... I know what you're trying to say (we're on the same side :P), but the tone is just feeding both your frustration and Paweu's. Let's all take a step back and breathe :P
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 06:29
#27
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The health UV should be for shields, except increasing the durability of the shield, and not actually increasing the health of the character (OOO, why did you use the same word for both these things?).
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 06:34
#28
I'm game
Interesting idea. I like it i suppose. But the primary reason i like it is because it would be 1 more useful UV, reducing my chance of getting poison or curse or something like that.
On the other hand, it might be OP. Sorta like ASI/CTR is an imba UV on swords vs the others, making anything else a disappointing consolation prize. If health UV gives too much health it becomes a universal Over Powered UV like ASI/CTR. For example if max health gave ur armor as much durability as max elem vs elem, max shadow vs shadow, AND pierce vs pierce....then suddenly all gear MUST have max health UV or it is suboptimal. Now with CTR/ASI it's relatively ok since it's been this way from the beginning. But adding an overpowered health UV is just the kind of thing that alienates the experienced player base. You have all these paying players (the games life source) who spent a ton of money rolling their pierce max+shock max skolvers. IF u suddenly add health now they will feel obligated to go roll their 3rd (and most expansive UV) as health UV, when had if it always been there they could have rolled for the health UV as the cheapest and built their gear from there. All this being said, it now sounds like exactly the type of thing OOO would do.
However, i guess i've unfortunately moved to the 'it doesn't effect me, so i don't care' portion of the population. I've felt the sting of having my endgame decimated so i'm just sorta apathetic. Bring on new stronger uv's. Add an Extra Max category above max, rendering all Max gear a step below for all i care. Add Spiral knights damage UV to weapons (like monster UVs) but make it stack with the skolver/snarby damage bonus. Actually, they should just start selling Triple Max Skolver PvP coats on the Auction House for a reasonably affordable price and completely cash in. Makes more sense than 204 players having triple max coats. And the beauty of this would be, those guys already paid godly sums of money to roll their coats. So they'd already have that revenue, and could cash in on the 2nd tier of funded players. Win-win.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 06:32
#29
@Extribble
Normally I'd agree, but not this time.
Have you read my past posts on this thread? I TRIED to help, I really did, but he wasn't being co-operative. He just kept taking each of my posts aggressively.
Anyway, I'm going to sleep now. Seeing as you're more level-headed at the moment, I'll leave you to deal with this. I may come back later, but I can't guarantee I'll be neutral about it.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 06:33
#30
@Psychodestroyer
Go troll somewhere else, seriously.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 06:39
#31
@Extribble
Told you.
He didn't listen to me before, I thought 'screw it, he won't listen anyway'.
He even mocked me when I told him I once somewhat respected him until he started raging at everyone.
"Go troll somewhere else, seriously."
Still obviously not listening. Not to me, not to anyone.
I TRIED to help, but you wouldn't let me. You just HAD to retaliate against an imaginary enemy.
Of course, here comes the "I didn't need help from a backseat moderator" line. It's all you're saying. You just assume I'm being hostile because I didn't support your idea from second 1.
How I ever came to respect you, I question it now.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 06:41
#32
Wow... That's low. Psycho
Wow... That's low. Psycho was not trolling. He was trying to convince you to put in a little more effort into your idea. Heck, Pawn chimed in with more of a suggestion than you did. You don't even want to discuss anything. A simple post elaborating your idea in post #2 could have prevented this whole argument.
I have never posted stuff like this before, but at this point you have too big of an ego to deal with and cannot see reason. Plus, there's no better way to describe your attitude right now.
I'm out. Not worth my time.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 06:47
#33
This thread isn't your
This thread isn't your personal blog nor a private messaging system, thanks.
EDIT: Extribble, I can't find any reason why would you insult a stranger that never insulted you nor did any harm to you. I'm left speechless.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 06:50
#34
Huh
This isn't your personal thread either. It's not for you to say whether or not we have the right to post on it, to say whether we like it or not.
You call me the hypocrite, when you pretend you're the one calling the shots.
"Do unto others as you want done to you" or something, isn't that what the bible says? (I wouldn't know; I'm not christian)
Fine. since you're so keen to rage, rage is all you'll get from me. If anything.
EDIT: EDIT: Extribble, I can't find any reason why would you insult a stranger that never insulted you nor did any harm to you. I'm left speechless.
The sarcasm is evident. You're just making yourself out to be an even bigger prick. Extribble did nothing to you aside from comment on how inflated your ego is, which should be apparent to anyone who read's this thread.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 07:00
#35
http://sadpanda.us/images/944
http://sadpanda.us/images/944214-D04ROCE.png
EDIT: Can you already cease the baseless implications? That wasn't sarcasm.
EDIT2: Can a GM step in and force stop this witch hunt?
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 07:17
#36
Couldn't leave the thread alone, sorry.
Let's end all this petty arguing over who called who what.
Please Paweu. Just do us a favor and say why you find this suggestion to be worth the developers' time. If you're unwilling to, then you might as well have posted this on a personal blog because it will likely get zero attention from anyone in the position to implement it.
Please, do the right thing and just ignore Psycho's supposed trolling/rage, your supposed non-aggressive posts, and my supposed insults and just do one thing:
Give us a reason why your idea is worth the developers' time so we can discuss it properly.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 07:24
#37
What do you want to discuss?
What do you want to discuss? There is no place for discussion, its up to devs whether they implement it or not and as far I'm concerned OOO is a really great team that doesn't break under opression so I don't see any reason as to discuss anything here as only discussion that occurs in this sub-section is praising stuff thats only good according to their logic and totally wreck anything that they don't like (with all the prejudiced bias) not giving it even a chance. If they implement it, great, good. If they don't, well, shame.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 07:30
#38
Why do I keep trying...?
You missed the first part.
"Give us a reason why your idea is worth the developers' time"
By your logic, I could post useless ideas on the suggestions forum that have no chance of ever being implemented, while pushing down all the well-thought-out suggestions. A+ for thinking before you speak.
I'm not saying your suggestion is useless. I'm saying that it means nothing if you don't give a reason why it might be worthwhile. There's no reason for the developers to use their time adding people's suggestions if they're not supported by the community because it would just compound the usual whiny rage over their updates.
"only discussion that occurs in this sub-section is praising stuff thats only good according to their logic and totally wreck anything that they don't like (with all the prejudiced bias) not giving it even a chance."
Please give me one example of "prejudiced bias" killing a thread. And please don't point at this one, because it surely is not dead. It still has a chance at redemption if you care to try.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 07:39
#39
"Please give me one example
"Please give me one example of "prejudiced bias" killing a thread. And please don't point at this one, because it surely is not dead. It still has a chance at redemption if you care to try."
They are all in graveyard, posts wiped. Can't really show them to you, can I?
"There's no reason for the developers to use their time adding people's suggestions if they're not supported by the community because it would just compound the usual whiny rage over their updates."
Just because the community demands a crown payout boost and the thread gets a million of replies doesn't mean its even worth considering. Waste of resources.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 07:51
#40
-1
never going to happen health regen is OP. I love supporting ideas but this I just cant get behind
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 07:54
#41
So where is that thread with
So where is that thread with health regen that you talk about?
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 08:12
#42
/sigh
Graveyarded threads don't have posts deleted. Please give me an example, because you sure are adamant about it happening and I have yet to see it.
"Just because the community demands a crown payout boost and the thread gets a million of replies doesn't mean its even worth considering. Waste of resources."
Again, point me to one. Any thread here that suggests giving out free stuff, or increasing mission payouts get shot down by most of us because we know that this would worsen the economy with an influx of crowns. Quickest example I could find.
EDIT:@Kive: Health regen is not this suggestion O.o
EDIT2: Not worth bumping with a response, but for future reference, put in a little effort when you suggest something like this. Your other thread regarding "gluing" the cursor to the window is simple enough and has no outside ramifications, unlike this thread. Therefore, it doesn't really need much explanation.
If you want to suggest something that affects the mechanics of the game, you should really consider giving a reason rather than telling people to get away from your thread. "I'm not looking to pickup a fight": Sure seemed like it the way you were talking to me, but I guess I misinterpreted it, so that's fine :P
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 08:13
#43
I'm unable to find you one as
I'm unable to find you one as I have real issues concentrating currently (I'm waiting for my medication to come, I'm bedridden too), you don't have to just show that you can be as adamant as to pursuing something as I apparently am adamant about something. I have nothing to gain here. You should really just stop posting here, I'm not looking to pickup a fight.
EDIT: Should I move that other thread to the graveyard to just prove my point?
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 08:20
#44
If you're referring to your cursor thread:
I'm guessing Hippo didn't know some people have issues with fullscreen. A response where the person isn't all knowing =/= bias. So why would you graveyard it? O.o
/e is confused.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 08:26
#45
I don't have time to post
I don't have time to post walls of text answering every single possible question nor are my suggestions exact instructions to devs. I just don't find this concept of having a discussion in this section plausible. Waste of time.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 08:54
#46
I have just read all the posts.
I now have two words for you, Paweu :
Shut up.
Kk, I'm done now. Your idea sucks. You do not deserve to know why your idea sucks. I am leaving your thread of suckyness.
Bye.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 09:01
#47
^ That kind of trash talking
^ That kind of trash talking is what i was talking all the time.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 09:05
#48
-_-
No, do not blame Psycho and Extribble for that.
They had nothing to do with my comment and they were not trash talking, they were trying to help you.
That trash talking was solely me.
You showed them no respect, so i am showing you no respect.
Shut up kk bye.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 09:17
#49
@Serell
Way to go. You're really a great addition to the Suggestions forum -.-
Edit: When people do something you find wrong, the last thing you do is join them.
@Paweu: Derps will be derps. You need to ignore posts like those and move on as is done in other threads. Have you seen the extensive trolling (i.e. Bluebra---- <- an attempt at not naming & shaming) people have done on these threads? Trolls will always be around, up to you to allow/disallow them to kill your thread.
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 09:21
#50
@Extribble
I have been here for quite a while actually, I'm not a new addition.
Oh well.... kk, maybe it was a little un-called for.
The guy got a little on my nerves, showing you two no respect.
All right, i apologize and will respectively comment on his suggestion.
I think it's OP. Skolvers with health trinkets are already really annoying in LD, i don't think we need more health modifiers.
EDIT : I read your edit, Extribble, and again i am sorry.
Health is already OP in lockdown. Why should we have this type of UV? Better do some explaining.