November 14 Update - Discussion

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Darkbrady's picture
Darkbrady
@Timewalker: Rad IGN. Also, I

@Timewalker:
Rad IGN.

Also, I thought it was common knowledge that the upkeep was to be weekly; my whole guild has spent weeks liquidating assests and ce now to prepare to fund the GHs~

Grittle's picture
Grittle
Got ninja'd :(

2nd page of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I CANT WAIT SIT GET MAH PERSONAL LOVE MATRESS

Schattentag's picture
Schattentag
Well I suppose I just

Well I suppose I just received a free Aegis (Exalted Honor Guard) and a free Leviathan Blade (Lionheart Honor Blade).

Sweet.

Where's the Guild Storage section? I was hoping to donate a crapton of the Fiery Vaporizers I was crafting at some point.

Russetmesa's picture
Russetmesa
A sword? Darn it...

I like the guild update, plus the sword and shield you get look super cool, but why just a sword? I like bombing personally and my other account I mainly gun.

"We're celebrating, swords for everyone!"
*Bomber in the corner looks at sword confused*
*Throws sword in garbage*
*Takes out his Nitronome and goes back to grinding FSC*
:(

Darkbrady's picture
Darkbrady
Pfft, if they gave bombers a

Pfft, if they gave bombers a weapon it'd give off the impression that OOO wants bombers to exist. Don't be crazy, brah~

Timewalker's picture
Timewalker
@DarkbradyWell, I'm a bit

@Darkbrady
Thanks ^^

Well, I'm a bit disappointed about that because they first said it's going to be monthly and that can be quite expensive. Paying something like 87,5k crowns per week does cost a fortune after some time.

Orbwanter's picture
Orbwanter
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A free reskinned Levi is much more useful to bombers and gunners than dedicated swordsmen, ya know.

Abbadon-Asrael's picture
Abbadon-Asrael
Storage

I'm an officer in my guild, and for some reason, there's no option to access guild storage from the command console. does access have to be manualy chenged by a gm, or is there something wrong here?

Darkbrady's picture
Darkbrady
they first said it's going to

@Timewalker:
they first said it's going to be monthly

Oh did they? I never noticed that then, my bad.

Aye, really is meant to be heavily reliant on contributions from full guilds, but I suspect that the larger guilds will be the only ones able to afford to largely upgrade it. On the upside, it should do a marvelous job as a cr sink and solve a lot of inflation problems. With any luck it won't take long to notice a drop in ce prices thanks to these high upkeep costs.

@Orbwanter:
I'll agree with you on that point, but it'd also be preferable for a bomber to have a free reskinned Nitro. The weapon, as is, may be more useful as a sidearm than a swordy class, but that doesn't mean that it'll get used as much, as that bombers will appreciate having their Event Reward item as a side-arm rather than their classes weapon choice.

Nick's picture
Nick
Developer
Abbadon: Guild Storage is an

Abbadon: Guild Storage is an upgrade that must be purchased from the Birdsong Emporium after you build up to a 2f guild hall.

Sir-Alfred's picture
Sir-Alfred
Still downloading D: gone

Still downloading D:

gone from 71-74% now ='(

Damienfoxy's picture
Damienfoxy
nick, that's really not fair.

nick, that's really not fair. this caters to the elitist then.

Abbadon-Asrael's picture
Abbadon-Asrael
Storage Again

Ah, thank you, Nick. From the Help and Documentation, I had assumed it was available from the start.

Erridunno's picture
Erridunno
@A GM

Just look
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/68340
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/68351

Thanks

Also @ Aphrodite for locking one of those threads.

Tutajkk's picture
Tutajkk
Bug?

Bought two expansions, but the hall didn't got it. Anyone else with this problem? Also, can't access halls from garrison, as the game crashes.

Grittle's picture
Grittle
WHOA, so expensive, cant you

WHOA, so expensive, cant you reduce some items by 25-50%?

Metamare's picture
Metamare
Metallic Knightmare

OOO should add a music box for the guildhalls so we can play musical chairs.

Boorish's picture
Boorish
Upgrade honor gear

I really enjoy the update and think everything thing looks great. My only wish is that you make it so that the honor gear is upgradable when we rank up. I think the gear is beautiful and I was really hoping to upgrade my 4* honor gear to 5*. Other than that the update looks amazing :)

Sir-Alfred's picture
Sir-Alfred
I only wish I could see how

I only wish I could see how amazing this update is . . .

The timer trolls me, goes low 6-5 min left, then climbs to 30 -_-

Tutajkk's picture
Tutajkk
Also

What happens if we can't pay the upkeep?

Klipik's picture
Klipik
/sad

/e is here because his complaint thread got locked because he didn't know about this one

+1 to Boorish. I can upgrade to full 4* in a few days, yet I get a 3* sword and shield that I'll never use after this weekend. This seems just a bit unfair... :(

Or if we can't have that, maybe we get recipes for upgrading the equipments?

Tyhlosion's picture
Tyhlosion
Game crashing

When I am in the Haven Garrison where the Guildhall, Arcade, and Hall of Heroes is I proceed and try to enter the Guild Hall. But when I go through the instance my game crashes and when I try to reopen Spiral Knights it says cannot open Application is already running. The only way to open Spiral Knights again is to log out of my Computer and log back in. I try and enter it again and it crashes. Look into this please. Great update it added so much I hope we can get Allies later on. Like we can form and alliance with another guild and do stuff such as when we send messages they also receive the messages and vice-versa. Thx =D

Vifig's picture
Vifig
):

I would also like a way to upgrade my honor gear eventually, or another way to obtain the higher ones.

But more sad face at the cost of everything. We are a small friends & family guild that I would never leave, but I am the only dedicated member so I will basically have to work to keep my guild hall from shrinking every week, which means I won't be able to make any money to buy or craft other stuff. And the guild hall no longer has the awesome view... I am so excited to work on customization but everything feels out of reach. So I was going to start small, but I can't even set up a guild storage to help my lower ranked members because of it being a purchasable upgrade ):

It all looks great, guys, awesome job. Just wish I could really partake without making it my second job to pay for it.

Spinny's picture
Spinny
furnishing animations

for the wall cases/shelves, can OOO's put the 'menu' animation in? that way it looks like you're grabbing a book off the shelf and reading it :D

Psychodestroyer's picture
Psychodestroyer

Hey, if we manage to get to the next 'rank' before the Homecoming thingy ends, will we receive the next rank's Honour weapons too?

On that note, will we ever be able to collect the other honour weapons?

Sorry I can't read through the whole thread to check, I'm in a hurry and my computer taking three mins to load anything isn't helping either.

Sir-Alfred's picture
Sir-Alfred
Do you get the honour gear as

Do you get the honour gear as soon as you log in? It looks like the download has finally decided to work, although I won't jinx that...

Sketman's picture
Sketman
@Tyhlosion

@Tyhlosion
Having same bug, I made a forum post about it here.

Sketman's picture
Sketman
Getting the honor stuff

Can you unbind them and sell them?
I know that the battle chest things are unbound

Orbwanter's picture
Orbwanter
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Nope, the honor gear is soulbound.

Nick's picture
Nick
Developer
The Homecoming rewards are

The Homecoming rewards are issued to your knight as soon as you log in during the promotional period.

Honor Blades and Honor Guards cannot be unbound, sold or trashed.

Lightyourfire's picture
Lightyourfire
:o

Edit: I read information given to answer my own questions

Demented-Scv's picture
Demented-Scv
It would be nice if all Guild

It would be nice if all Guild Members could view the contents of the Birdsong Emporium, even if they cannot purchase from it.

Timbalero's picture
Timbalero
~

I wish training hall was not only PvE but PvP oriented as well. The rest of the stuff is good!

Wuvvums's picture
Wuvvums
Anyone know where the

Anyone know where the training halls are at?

Also, when I went to enter the guild hall from the garrison my game closed o:

Wuvvums's picture
Wuvvums
By the way, I can't get back

By the way, I can't get back in now. It tries to automatically log me back in the same place and it closes the client again. Game breaking!

Shadowknifer
It did the same thing for me!

It did the same thing for me! The screen froze as I was attempting to enter Guild Hall and go look for other guilds to view. However, I was able to access again after quitting SK and logging back on. It put me back in the same spot, and worked fine after that.

Few quick things to clear up:

Buying expansions to the Guild Halls gives you access to more rooms and purchase-able items, including an AH and a (GREAT BONUS) mist depositor (or so I've heard, and will be buying, along with all the other upgrades today).
Upkeep is 25k crowns, and stacks up with purchases of expansions of the GH.
Crowns in the treasury are NOT withdraw-able. They can only be used to purchase furniture and rooms.
CE value HAS dropped down to 8.4k crowns (currently) and is subject to change in the future. Always drops during major promos!

Estimated cost for a month: 100k crowns, or about 1200 ce.
Estimated cost for a year: 1.2 million crowns, or about 14450 ce.

I hope the SK crew lowers the price, or has monthly furnishings rather, of say, 75k crowns.

Hope this helps!

Shadowracer-Forum's picture
Shadowracer-Forum
/sigh

A way to please ALL the things:
Have the Battle Stands and Honor Gear on Featured Auctions! Pretty common so those who want it can have it. The ones now are freebies because Three Rings is awesome. If this happened, I'd stop looking my two 4* gift horses in the mouth and focus on collecting the rest of the Honor Gear, making yet another crown sink!

Meida's picture
Meida
Quick question

So, Nick, what happens if we get items and types of rooms that can only be bough from a fully expanded guild hall and then fail to pay upkeep. Can we keep them on the first floor if we just pay upkeep for the first floor?

Meida's picture
Meida
And what about the mist well?

And what about the mist well? What rank does a player in the guild need to have to withdraw mist that another player put in?

Rwar's picture
Rwar

We need a bit of ranking control on the Moto of the day please.

If anyone who wants to goof around can change it, it defeats the ability of leadership to put out helpful information.

The Moto of the day is actually my favorite part of the update. The sword and shield are fun too. thanks for those.

Dancinjen's picture
Dancinjen
I enjoy this update. I really

I enjoy this update. I really wish that we didn't have to buy all the other stuff to get to the features we really want...like the training hall.

Shadowknifer
Maybe a one time price? 300k

Maybe a one time price? 300k cr for the whole deal, or some such?

Axonnox's picture
Axonnox
Quick Question

When we do get the boss trophies (or if), will we have to buy them, or will they be awarded after defeating the boss?

Laraso's picture
Laraso
Ridiculous

The prices of the Guild Hall upgrades are ridiculous. They make CE look dirt cheap by comparison! 12k CR just to get 2 empty rooms? And I have to pay an additional 12k CR every week, just to keep said empty rooms?

I was seriously excited about this update, but being the owner of a very small guild that consists of mostly new players atm, this is absurd. There's no way I could keep paying the upkeep and still have enough crowns left over to enjoy the game.

This would be much easier if I had a few high-profile (i.e., 4* - 5*) members who'd be willing to help pay for it. It was already hard enough to find any players like that who weren't already in a guild, but this new update will make it even harder.

Nick's picture
Nick
Developer
Any furnishings purchased

Any furnishings purchased from the Birdsong Emporium are the guild's to keep even if the guild removes expansions and no longer has the option to purchase those furnishings from the Birdsong Emporium.

Rooms however require their corresponding expansions to exist. When removing an expansion you will be notified if doing so will also remove a room tied to the expansion.

Burq's picture
Burq
Guild upgrade prices

I think the prices of the guild upgrades are pretty good when you think about it: it's the money of the ENTIRE guild, not just 1 person.

That 12k upkeep cost is a lot more palatable when it's divided by 8 people or more. You are only supposed to go for the HugeMcLarge guild only when your guild has grown enough for it. And while the price of some of the furniture can be a bit dodgy, they are also fair priced when all the guild chip in.

In fact, I think the cost will help smaller guilds stick together: 1 personal room for everyone with furniture and whatnot, just work for it. If you have a bunch of guild members that dont want to help out and just want the benefits (like the mist well), that's when you are in need to look for better guildmates.

Windsickle's picture
Windsickle
So if the expansions are

So if the expansions are removed, any furnishings within will automatically find their way to the treasury?

-Windsickle

Jacobey's picture
Jacobey
How many GH Levels ...

Since the wiki is totally silent on this so far... could we post a list of the GH rooms and levels here along with their associated costs..

Would be nice to know just how deep this rabbit hole goes...

Rm-Anami's picture
Rm-Anami
Didn't read anything in the thread...

... so I'll just say what I think of GH.
Thanks for the CR sink.

Nick's picture
Nick
Developer
Windsickle - Any time your

Windsickle - Any time your furnishings are uprooted as a result of an expansion being removed or a special room being placed in an empty room, the furnishings are deposited back into the Treasury.