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“2012 Apocalypse/End of the World" Discussion :P [Well, I'm stil alive, how about you guys?]

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Sun, 12/09/2012 - 03:43
#101
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Psychodestroyer

^This guy:

Has clearly not been reading.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 02:21
#102
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Xxpapaya
The papaya simply comments

Wow, I've forgotten about this thread and its still alive! Another surprise!
Anyways, the different opinions are awfully surprising ^^ Just gonna add to what @Doom-Xx said about solar flares.................Apparently, yes, there is gonna be a solar flare this year. BUT (there's always a but :D ) its gonna be a very small one, the next large solar flare is scheduled to happen next year.

Here's a question for the scientists who talk about the Mayan Calender and how the date ends on December the 21st. First of all Mr and Mrs.Scientists. What in the wide wide world of papaya makes you think that JUST because the calender ends on December the 21st, proves that the world is gonna end? Nowadays, calenders end on the 31st of December. Does that mean the world ends on the 31st of December every year? I don't think so. Besides, the Mayan Calender said it was the "beginning of a new year", hey, it could be a metaphor. You know how some people say "you have to turn over a new leaf" They aren't asking you to go outside, find a leaf, and turn it over! They are asking you to try and change your personality, change the way you approach things (and NO, don't take it literally :P ).
Scientists nowadays, they always have to think so negatively............

In case the world does end. Then whats the point of fretting over it? There's a reason why its called the "end of the world" and not "the end of a part of the world". Its because the entire darn world is gonna go: "oeiatwebtuabg59q8032y582959adfiwtfnwetnoiantoiaentioaewntoianoinpoppeawpoop". I'm pretty sure stocking up on food isn't really gonna help. Already, hundreds (or was it thousands?) of people have already committed suicide. If this end of the world thing isn't real, then we have quite a few murderers in this world. If it is real, then, those people gave up too easily.

Unless of coarse its a zombie apocalypse (or any other freaky, slow, painful, death) :P Then its worth committing suicide.............Speaking of zombies, does anybody believe in them? Or any other way the human body can be controlled by another living organism?

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 03:39
#103
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Psychodestroyer

"Speaking of zombies, does anybody believe in them? Or any other way the human body can be controlled by another living organism?"

Something controlling a human body I think is wholly possible. The very least they'd need to do is to gain access to the Nervous system, which could probably be simulated by a being with appropriate control over transmittable electrical pulses, and send them through a human body.

As for Zombies, it would depend. The typical 'Brain Eating undead monster that doesn't actually die' Zombie I don't believe can exist, considering that the brain and internal organs, specifically the heart is still required to maintain bodily function. The heart most importantly, considering a highly advanced bacterium could possibly simulate cognitive function for the body's needs. So the brain can be done without, while the heart just provides the sustenance for he cells, i.e the oxygen needed for respiration.

However, a brain-dead monster of mindless destructive nature is a wholly possible situation, I think. The brain's thought pattern could be scrambled to the extent it falls back on primal nature, furthered by whatever organism induced that state to a form where the mind lusts for destruction and the need to fulfill it's most primal desires.

So 'Undead monster that can't actually die', no. 'Destructive creature', yes, possibly.

In the event that such an apocalypse would occur, unless the Zombified body gains an intelligence higher than that of mindless destruction, I wouldn't be worried. They should be easy enough to take out. If not kill, then temporarily disable; go for the legs and arms, if you can't get a kill-shot.

If they get intelligent, then you may have a slight issue.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 04:34
#104
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Xxpapaya
The papaya giggles

@Psychodestroyer
"If they get intelligent, then you may have a slight issue."
Yup, just a slight issue ^^ Now, according to "video games" and fictional stories. Zombies are usually a result of some sort of bacterial or parasitic infection. (Like Half Life & Half Life 2 use the headcrab) Apparently, if a zombie manages to injure you to the point where a wound opens, you have a chance of becoming infected. This would mean that the bacteria involved in this is highly sophisticated to the extent where it could cause a mental break down, in a way, killing the consciousness of the "host" (since the person won't have any control whatsoever).

This is highly unlikely since the bacteria will still somehow have to control the body, which doesn't seem possible for bacteria. It would most likely have to be something like the head crab from Half Life, or the flood from Halo (was it called the flood?). The organism has to somehow take control of the mind as well as the body without destroying any vital organs in the process of doing so. The head crab from Half Life is a good example, it targets the head (obviously) of the victim in order to gain control of the nervous system. But if you have a close look at the head crab, you can only see teeth on the under side. So I don't really see how the head crab gains nervous control.

As for that flood thing from Halo, it targets the spinal chord, and "controls" the body with nerve liked appendages. This seems much more sensible then the head crab. The only problem being, since these organisms appear to be parasites, they also have to have a species which they can control back at their home planet (since I don't think any of these live on Earth, if they do, then this world is a lot more creepier than I thought 0.0 ).
In a way, head crabs and the flood are kinda like huge viruses. They invade other organisms and take control of the cells so that the cells can do the reproducing for them, meaning that they're unable to reproduce themselves.

After all of this typing, something still doesn't add up. Let say all intelligent life forms in this universe follow Darwin's theory of evolution. If they do, then I don't really see HOW the head crab/flood evolved to its current state without killing out all of its "food" on their home planet. Unless, they somehow managed to travel to other planets containing suitable hosts.

Ok, I've gone a bit off topic from the whole "end of the world" thing ^^ Oh well, it was still good fun typing this up

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 04:47
#105
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Myqpalzm
This thread makes a chill

This thread makes a chill down my spine.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 05:08
#106
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Psychodestroyer

The Head crabs likely gain control by piercing the skull, their teeth sinking into the brain at least partially. Physical contact with the Brain should be all that's required to set up any sort of cognitive control.

I was under the impression that the Flood attacked, infected, and then 'synchronized' with it's 'host' and overrode the mind to gain control, then forcibly growing it's form until it reached the desired state.

In any case, the Flood's history is that it was created as a fine dust, before infecting a non-hostile creature. Rather than becoming the creature, the Flood rather uses it as a more permanent host, reproducing itself and spreading itself from there.

As for the Head Crabs, after a quick look at the Half life Wiki, there are a few conclusions. While the Headcrab controls and feeds off it's hosts' brain, the headcrab can and may evolve into a final form, which is capable of producing more headcrabs.

Following the standard 'web-of-life' theory, the home planet of these headcrabs could possibly be adapted to accommodate them; for example, their primary food source could reproduce at a very quick rate. Also, their profile refers to them as omnivores, so there's more variety o choose.

It was also theorized that the Headcrabs were created specifically for biological warfare, which could explain their advanced biomechanisms and their abundance.

Explaining snoop like this is fun :3

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 05:43
#107
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Xxpapaya
The papaya is scared

@Myqpalzm
You just stole the words from my mouth :P
@Psychodestroyer
I don't see why anyone would want to create something THAT freaky and out of control, even if it was for biological warfare......(chills) I can just imagine how head crabs would invade Earth: They manage to take over a very intelligent species (more intelligent than us) which put up a good fight, but in the end still lost due to the fact that parasites are nearly impossible to stop. They manage to get control of transportation and go in search for other food sources. The head crabs come across our solar system, and start searching. They find Earth and attempt to land and infest all life. The process doesn't go well, and the head crabs crash land. Scientists discover this, and are told to keep it under cover by the Government. After years of researching, something goes wrong and all the head crabs break lose.
The usual =) Blame the scientists
Honestly, THAT is how I imagine the incident going. All Governments are corrupt nowadays, *sighs*, it would be nice to have a world where control was still maintained, but nobody was fully "in charge................

Either way, I don't want any parasitic invaders on our planet, not today, not ever.
Okay, topic change, gonna start talking about what I'm gonna do in case the world does end :P

IF, the world ends due to some alien invaders coming to Earth in non-peaceful terms. Then I'm gonna have a look at their current state of technology and their personalities. If they are high-tech, cruel aliens who are wanting to use human beings as test subjects (GLaDOS :P) then screw it, I'm committing suicide. If they are high-tech aliens who are invading the Earth to steal its Natural Resources, then screw it, I'm committing suicide. If they are like the Combine, most probably, screw it.
If the world is gonna end due to natural causes (bombarded with stuff from space, eruption of 1,000,000,000 volcanoes, etc) then it depends. If all the volcanoes in the world erupt, causing another ice age due to the ash that blocks out the sun. Then I don't really see the point of living any more, who wants to LIVE in a barren wasteland of ice? If a bunch of continents are hit by big [anteater] (you should know what goes there :P) tsunamis, then I should be ok..................So I'll try to live :P
If head crabs or something come to Earth, then bye-bye cruel world

:P

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 05:57
#108
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Psychodestroyer

"I don't see why anyone would want to create something THAT freaky and out of control, even if it was for biological warfare......(chills) "

-_^? Really?

Super-destructive self-replicating organism capable of rapid and effective transmission, to be released onto a system where such destruction and annihilation is required.

Seems legit.

Parasites would screw us over, no doubt. Humans, despite their intelligence, are insufferably stupid when it comes to matters like these. Some idiots are probably going to spread it, most likely cults and fanatics, like supremacists trying to 'purify' the world or some trash.

If the world does end, my reaction would depend.

-Some environmental catastrophe: Let it come. I'll burn with the rest.
-Attacked by anything: I'm no fighter, but Imma fight. Humans may deserve to be wiped from the planet, but unless they have a totally legit reason, they can all go to Firestorm. Without any good, actual reasons, no other life form has the right to judge our race fit to die.

That goes for any Zombies or whatever Slag the universe wants to throw at us.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 06:34
#109
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Infernus-Dragneel
And Thus, you get the liberator achievement :/
    We have a new world
    Lets
      survive.
Tue, 12/11/2012 - 11:52
#110
Softhead's picture
Softhead
I talked to a dude about a probable zombie.

Okay, based on dead island they are corpses which are infected with a *(check edit) which when the person dies(natural causes, loss of blood, exposed cranium,shock) which will regenerate some tissue, as long as it's connected to the body(Amputies not allowed). Due to some tissue being more sensitve to healing, brain cells get revied in a different way. As long as it's not to brain damaged to ife suport vegitive state, they will be revived.

If ones crippled before death, it will be based on how severe. So it will go from not 100% fit, but In a workable order, to completly crippled and can't walk. they would crawl.

Amputies don't know how to use it, so they will walk normally, but due to that, even with prophetics, will try to walk normally, but will stumble. it can't learn, so it will repeatedly try.

It is airborne, and can't be spread via bites.

The bactirium will reactivate primal insticts via stimuim(Walking, melee weps(apparently due to instict), mating, and eating). They cannot remember anything or any learned reactions(Driving using guns)as it needs memories.

Eating. It is designed to only really do the important things, eat, sleep,excreet mate. As long as the former is okay, and they eaten they will be docile, unless provoked to reactions. However, they will need to eat. They are technically a species of their own and will eat the most widely and nutrious availible creatures, humans. They will act aggressivley when hungry.

They do not need certain things, like to really speak communicate, or really need most things, like the heart.

They are not really deformed, unless the previous state was. They don't really feel pain due to the nerves, and will not feel their body exerting itself making it more like Ronald Niedermann from The Millenium Trilogy. So they will try more harder. They have a faster healign regeneration factor, and aswell as this, can heal minor wounds and most stab or gunshorsts, as ling as ut's not in a sentisive spot. If its brain was eposed and died because of that, it will be a zombie, but weaker due to that weakness, so they would easily get killed with a shot the the brain, or a bird(lol).

Shock attacks if sestroying the body brutally, will work, similar with heavy burns. Can't live without body and vice versa.

Will continue.

EDIT:

Okay,how about more in line of a paracitic microscopic celled creature. Which may be similar in for with the bactieria, except for it moreor it being based on sentient cells.

So like the flood, this cell can control the body, and reactivate some parts of the brain. But can't be really seen, (like bacteria and viruses), and is microscopic. The differences with some of the body parts.

By species, I mean, not the exact same human. More like in the same genus. They don't consider anoter zombie a human. Liek in the walking dead.

And also, the bacteria/virus/paracitic cell idea was supposed to be a goverment WMD. Developed to revive soilders, they will basically kill, and due to it being airborne, can make others join the ranks, similar to the headcrabs, basically, a stronger, invurnable, beast that can invade a city and take down everything.

I also added some more things I've forgotten.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 00:57
#111
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Hawxindanite
I don't believe in this *#&@

Maybe the Mayans got bored and decided that they'll just continue the calendar once the end of the calendar was approaching in which they didn't get to live to see. Also the last time someone said that the world was going to end (the one about the rapture mentioned in the book of Revelations in the Bible) it never happened. I, a Christian did not disappear and my fellow churchmates did not disappear either.

Nothing will happen trust me. And maybe we're really not supposed to know about when the world is supposed to end. Maybe only the God who created the world is supposed to know.

Oops srry for the religous reference I have a very preachy manner.

/peace sign to those who are not Christian

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:23
#112
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Infernus-Dragneel
And that is why you must

And that is why you must destroy the brain :D

Zombrex, it can save lives (phenontran dance)

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 04:53
#113
Xxpapaya's picture
Xxpapaya
The papaya giggles

@Atriumvindex
Lets talk about your theory. You are suggesting that advanced species of bacteria will be able to turn a person into a "zombie"/"walking dead". You already mentioned that the vital organs such as the brain and heart, can not be damaged severely or else its just impossible (yes, even for the bacteria) to maintain such a complex organism. You mentioned that they are a species of their own, in the "eating" section of your post. If that is so, then they won't really contain the primal instincts due to the difference in species. The primal instincts of nearly all animals in this world are to (like you mentioned) live (which covers eating, sleeping, etc) and to mate. One problem is that the [ahem] reproduction system might be damaged from being exposed to the surroundings for so long. Things like flies, other bacteria, etc will also have a deadly effect on the "undead".

Still, overall it is VERY unlikely that there is ANY form of bacteria in this world (maybe even the universe) that is able to control a dead body for its own personal use. To be honest, you are looking at something that is more of a virus than bacteria. Viruses need another host organism in order to be able to live, while bacteria usually just "duplicates" (which is why viruses are sometimes not considered to be alive since they don't follow the "rules of being alive") Even a virus might not be complex enough to do such a task. If you ask me, the head crab and flood idea seemed more reasonable.

@Hawxindanite
This is how people see things: If one person believes something while others don't, the belief is considered fake. If that person has valid proof but other people still don't agree, the belief is considered fake. If many people believe in something but have no proof at all (besides some writing, drawings, etc) then the belief is considered real. If many people believe in something and have proof, the belief is somewhere in between real/not real.

I'm pretty sure there is a moral and story for this. Something about how one person saw another running around, and thought that something bad was gonna happen soon, so he/she started doing the same. Soon there was a whole line of people running around in circles, and in the end it was discovered that there was nothing wrong at all...............

@Infernus-Dragneel
I always have a feeling that some people in this world don't want us, or the planet, to survive............Besides, I don't wanna survive, I wanna thrive!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 05:15
#114
Shadowknifer
Hmmm

Let's talk about the definition of apocalypse.
*Ahem*

~A prophetic revelation
~A new beginning
~A total and utterly destructive end to the world.

Which of these should I be inclined to believe?
I could care less now, all I know is that I'm going to be partying on the 21st. Have fun while you can!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 05:46
#115
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Infernus-Dragneel
Its no liberator, its kingmaker ! Credits goes to Atlus

The curtain of mandkind's previous history has been drawn and a new era has begun.
There is no knowing what this new future holds.
However...
Mankind will go on as species with untapped, limitless possibility...
As they embrace the day's victory in their hearts...

You have a new world

Let's survive.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 05:48
#116
Infernus-Dragneel's picture
Infernus-Dragneel
Been playing too much DevSur1

Been playing too much DevSur1 and 2...

Too many end of the world games these days!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 06:00
#117
Xxpapaya's picture
Xxpapaya
The papaya smiles

@Infernus-Dragneel
Tell me about it ^^

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 06:21
#118
Infernus-Dragneel's picture
Infernus-Dragneel
I don't feel like posting these stuff -_-

The end of the world seems very interesting to many people, i just don't understand why people are getting hyped over the end of the world :|
Just look at Shin Megami Tensei for example, almost everything in it has to be the end of the world or something.

Zombies? meh, zombies don't exist, cannibal does.

Watched 2012? In real armageddon, nobody survives.

Mayans? A group of douchebags who forgot the next calender.

Scientist? Their 'theory' couldn't be proved without practice.

Nostradamus? I watched stars and they're not shouting that it's going to end soon.

Nobody knows when the end of the world be, because the future will only happen if we do it (refrain to #115 :P)

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 11:02
#119
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Oroseira
*sounds like GLaDOS* OKAY, STOP!

Enough already. There is no end of the world. The only thing that is going to happen is the restart of the Mayan long calendar.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 11:19
#120
Softhead's picture
Softhead
^

This guy didn't read.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 12:33
#121
Pawsmack's picture
Pawsmack
._.

Honestly I'm just chillin. Here's the video I watched to make me just not care about it at all. I think the universe is way more complicated than what most people make it out to be. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAm-kbzT7xw&feature=related

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 01:13
#122
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Toxicblade
Derp

Apparently it was the end of a cycle on their calendar and they thought "Eh, we probably won't use this thing anymore by that time, we'll use something better" and they just didn't do another one.

I hope something happens though. Like a double rainbow or something.

EDITTY EDIT EDIT: To people talking about teh bacteriaz, there is a type of bacteria that can take over a rats brain/something like that and make it get eaten by a cat, because a cat's intestines are the best place for that bacteria to multiply.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 01:42
#123
Myqpalzm's picture
Myqpalzm
Triple rainbow will make my

Triple rainbow will make my day :P

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 03:20
#124
Xxpapaya's picture
Xxpapaya
The papaya laughs

Saw something on the new today. There was an incident that occurred a few days ago (don't ask me where, I forgot :P). Basically, people saw 3 suns in the sky and an upside down rainbow. You can guess what everyone was thinking..............
"OMG, its the end of the world!"
"God, please have mercy!"
and etc etc etc.

Apparently the real reason was that the weather was a bit cuckoo that day (no, this is not because the world is gonna end) and there were crystalline particles that formed in the air. Those particles reflected the sun giving the illusion of there being "3 suns". Same thing goes with the rainbow

So @Myqpalzm, I would be a bit careful about what you wish for :P

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 03:43
#125
Severage's picture
Severage
...

I didn't read all 130 of those posts, so...posting without reading.

There have already been a lot of predictions such as a large planet nearly (or was it much bigger?) the size of Earth making a collision with it. There are also other theories such as supernovas and the alignment of stars somehow having an effect on Earth. Some even say that on that day the Earth will be striked by a huge wave of radiation (gamma rays) from the sun, weakening its Magnetic Field so that random North and South poles start appearing all over the Earth. ETC ETC ETC

1st theory: NASA has made predictions for moving objects in our vicinity for something like up to 50 years from now. Of those, one meteor (about 30 years from now) has some 1.2% chance, IIRC, to collide with the earth. Other meteoroids that are on a collision course are of no significant size, and will mostly burn in the atmosphere. Unless it was an object moving at ridiculous speeds that are unheard of, like something faster than light, we will know it years before it hits us.

EDIT: Oh, and I'd also like to add that even if it were moving faster than light, that'd just make it burn faster in the atmosphere. There is a formula for how fast it must be moving in order to not burn up relative to its size - if it's moving as fast as light, the friction in the atmosphere will sandblast it on an astronomical scale.

2nd theory: Alignment of stars is out of the question, that's Astrology and not science-based. Supernova's energy is absorbed into space basically, it disperses over an infinite space that makes it less potent as it travels. Considering the nearest star, aside from our Sun, is Proxima Centauri, which is 4.2 lightyears away. Its supernova will most likely hardly be felt.

3rd theory: The Earth is protected by its Magnetic Field. In fact, our magnetic field is constantly being blasted by Ultra-Violet, Gamma, and X-rays, among visible light and other lights. Only visible light, and some UV rays get into the atmosphere. The way it works is, the more powerful rays have longer frequencies. The longer the frequency is (If you were looking at a chart, picture the a line going up higher and down steeper than lower frequency light), the easier to catch it is by our magnetic field. Thus, the most powerful forms of light, Gamma, X-ray, and the powerful UVs, never get into the atmosphere. The weaker forms of light, weaker UVs, visible light, and smaller frequency lights such as Infared, are able to pass through it.

Therefore, for the magnetic field to be affected adversely from anything other than what it deals with normally, would take some massive solar flare. Even under such extreme circumstances, the likely highest repercussion of such a flare would be a worldwide EMP (electromagnetic pulse) that would knock out all electricity for an extended period of time.

Finally, I'd like to say that the precise date has been disputed by different pioneers of this theory. In fact, due to the fact that we don't know how they "read the stars" back then (Because our position relative to the stars has changed since then), and I don't even know if we know exactly how they told days, months, and years, there are a number of variables here. Even if it were to happen, we may be years off.

~Sev

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 03:43
#126
Myqpalzm's picture
Myqpalzm
^ This guy doesn't read.

^

This guy doesn't read. HAHAHA.

BTW, December 21 is my brother's birthday ;_;

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 03:56
#127
Severage's picture
Severage
...

At least I said I didn't read. I don't very much like the term "this guy" either, if you please. I mean how long have I been here? A year and a half?

After reading (some) of the thread, I noticed the discussion of zombies.

I'm going to point out that our brain is thus far and to our knowledge un-interactable with most things. Chemicals and such can make you go "nuts", but nothing can literally control your brain. Nothing we know of has the ability to completely control your brain, though things can kill it or disable it. And absolutely nothing synthetic has ever been made that can connect to it.

The Human Brain is largely unknown, all we do know is that we can use it to interact with other objects (There are machines that "plug you up" to a computer for you to "think" the mouse to move), but other objects cannot interact with it. It has a sort of anti-virus that prevents anything from manipulating it, which is why only diseases and stuff that infiltrates your entire body have any effect on it.

So yeah...bacteria that controls your brain is Sci-Fi really, because there is no other intelligent life, only life that works off the desire to survive. That desire wouldn't make zombies before it would consume itself and find a new host.

~Sev

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 03:59
#128
Hawxindanite's picture
Hawxindanite
Wut the heck

I believe that I will be dead before the world ends.........

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 04:02
#129
Severage's picture
Severage
@Hawxindanite:

Considering it'll be about 4 billion years before the sun goes out...

Probably.

~Sev

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 04:12
#130
Psychodestroyer's picture
Psychodestroyer

Hypothetically Sev, something could.

The brain operates via a nerve network inside the cranium, which 'communictaes' to the rest of the organism via electrical impulses.

If something could, and were to 'piggback' on the nerves, it could potentially alter the signals, if not absorbing the original while sending out another.

Control established.

Obviously, the extent of the control would not be complete unless the whole brain was influenced. Still, control over key sections of the brain could drastically alter a person's actions. Removal of the section that controls your ability to rationalize, you act based on what you think when you think it. Control over the bits that control your body itself, and you're stuck in a body that moves on it's own.

Synthetic, perhaps not yet. However, biological adaptations could certainly do it. Alhough, said organisms would probably have to be incredibly small...and work as a hive mind to achieve anything.

W/e, totally possibly imo, but not now. Not with Humans of the moment.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 04:32
#131
Severage's picture
Severage
...

Well, that's just it. If you were brain-dead, there is no bacterium sophisticated enough to take the place of your consciousness. If it tried to, you'd effectively shut down until it ate you from the inside-out.

And hive-minds wouldn't work without synthetic communication - communication biologically is restricted to the body it's held in. So, your brain would never willingly allow such a communication. More sci-fi stuff.

Maybe in 500 years. I'll be long gone.

~Sev

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 04:40
#132
Infernus-Dragneel's picture
Infernus-Dragneel
Can't wait...

I can't wait for 21, i realllly want to see the faces of those people who believed in the end of the world at the 21....

Facebook will explode that day,it really will.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 04:48
#133
Psychodestroyer's picture
Psychodestroyer

In any case, I'm totally curious to see what will happen, if anything.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 05:12
#134
Xxpapaya's picture
Xxpapaya
The papaya frowns

@Severage & Psychodestroyer
The big question is, how do you describe consciousness? Your body can still function without your consciousness, but nowhere near as effectively. Like when you are asleep, or knocked out. You lack the ability to make decisions and know whats around you, but your body still manages to keep your alive (you can still breath, your body will do what it does "automatically")
In a way, you are a consciousness. Lets use metaphors to make this a bit more clear. Your body is a robot, and you are the pilot.
Just like Severage said, there is no bacteria sophisticated enough to replace your consciousness.

"Maybe in 500 years. I'll be long gone."
I believe in reincarnation and second lives ^^

Life itself is such a confusing thing. For starters, what is life? What is death? Who am I? and who are you? Don't take this literally, you'll see that nobody in this world can answer this question.................

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 05:21
#135
Xxpapaya's picture
Xxpapaya
The papaya simply comments

@Psychodestroyer
"In any case, I'm totally curious to see what will happen, if anything."
People go crazy and in the end, find out that there's nothing wrong at all =) I feel sorry for those hundreds of people who committed suicide out of fright. Nothing in this world is worth your life, nothing but another persons life. Never give up easily, as long as the people you love are around, you'll be alright.

"From the sky, she watched the life she known she, would leave behind. Said goodbye, and gave her people, life through, her sacrifice"
~Adriasaurus, Daughter of the Moon
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW25nrh-mxo

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 05:57
#136
Psychodestroyer's picture
Psychodestroyer

"Never give up easily, as long as the people you love are around, you'll be alright."

...Slag.

Slag it all to Firestorm.

EDIT: About the consciousness thing, the way I think about it is this:

Your body will attempt to fulfill it's needs. First and foremost, survival. Your body recognizes the need to breathe, and so breathes automatically. Of course, being in control, you can forcibly stop that. However, you can't hold your breath for the time necessary to suffocate, not willingly, because your body's need to breathe overrides your conscious thought.

Generally, your body has pre-programmed 'instincts'. However, with proper conditioning, most of, if not all of these instincs can be overridden, like the defense reflex (Although that is usually enhanced as opposed to removed, but some people who just don't defend in time will lose that reflex due to disuse.)

Although the human consciousness sits in the 'pilot seat', there are pre-programmed functions that will continue, unless overridden.

In which case control could still be wrestled from the consciousnesses with the latter remaining intact. No need for brain-deaths or deaths whatsoever.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 14:49
#137
Severage's picture
Severage
...

Your subconscious can control your primary bodily functions without you being awake, yes, but a bacterium cannot. If it infiltrated the brain and didn't need to, due to your body keeping itself alive, it would most likely feed off the rest of what's not absolutely necessary until it had no other choice.

"Maybe in 500 years. I'll be long gone."
I believe in reincarnation and second lives ^^ Life itself is such a confusing thing. For starters, what is life? What is death? Who am I? and who are you? Don't take this literally, you'll see that nobody in this world can answer this question.................

Oh, reincarnation is silly imo. And, you'll find that people can answer those questions.

What is life? Life is a choice. What is death? Death is the result. Who am I? I am a disciple. Who are you? That's for you to decide.

~Sev

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 03:03
#138
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Xxpapaya
THe papaya simply comments

@Severage
Life isn't really a choice, it was more like a gift. But just like all gifts, it won't last forever, death will slowly come by. Then another person will be gifted with life and so on. Reincarnation isn't too silly in my opinion. Do you have a better explanation for what happens AFTER death? I don't just wanna live and die, I wanna thrive, thrive, and thrive! ^^ Who am I? Who are you? Neither of us can answer that question

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 03:41
#139
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Infernus-Dragneel
Deeeeep

This conversation

Is getting too deep

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 04:47
#140
Psychodestroyer's picture
Psychodestroyer

Too deep you say?

I find, that whatever happens after our lives is a business of it's own. It doesn't matter to us now, because we're still living. But if you believe that there is a Heaven and Hell, you'll think it SHOULD matter, because it'll be the result of how we act in our time while we live, right?

I don't think so. Your actions define who you are as a person. If you're going to be a bucket your whole life, then you deserve to go to hell. Why should people have to be given an incentive to do good with their lives? Can't they just be a good person, without seeking some reward at the end?

Because in the end, that's all it is, really. The concept of Heaven and Hell is an incentive and a deterrent. An incentive for those who do good to continue on their path, and a deterrent for those doing not so good to reform.

Humans should not need such devices. We are who we are, we'll be whoever we'll be. If you need a concept of something beyond your life to change who you are going to be, then you are leading a fool's life. You're only changing because you don't want to be punished. You want to live a good life after your death.

Which is just silly.

A person's reforms should be based on what they see and feel as a person themselves. If they're doing bad, they should be able to see the harm they are bringing, the pain they have wrought. They should feel remorse, and regret for having done wrong, rather than fear the fire at the end of their path.

Because if not, if they choose to fear the wrath of hell than the pain wrought by their own conscience, they aren't trying to better themselves. They're just trying to 'earn' enough credit, stay on the right path just enough path to avoid retribution.

And for the good people. What for do they need a reason to continue their 'good'? They will fear the retribution of Hell from their wrongdoing as much as the others do. That's not true to what people should be.

That's not change. That's not being a 'good' person. That's just being selfish enough to want to stay on the better side of the world, to avoid and harm coming to yourself. Were it that the incentives/deterrents weren't there, they'd be no different than when they'd started.

On a lighter note, those who do believe in the Heaven concept have something to look forward to when their time comes. They don't fear death, they embrace the end, instead of fighting the inevitable, when really there should be nothing left to be done, if they've done all they should.

Which is good, and the ideal way to go.

Reincarnation is a matter of belief. Your soul, or whatever is left of your spiritual self could go somewhere, maybe reused in the cycle of life. Who knows? All that should matter is who you are now, and who you are going to be. Not what, who. The rest will fall into place.

You are your own person. Your life and who you are will be decided by the choices you make in your own life. Others may influence you, but none other than you have the control over what you ultimately become. All that spiel about the future and destinies is irrelevant. Your path, however it was decided, is shaped by your own choices. Your destiny may lie on one path, but it's only there because the choices you made led it there. You, and only you hold that control over yourself. Life comes and goes, but who you are will remain. In the memories of others, and in your own soul.

You are who you are. You'll be who you'll be.

To be dissatisfied with who you become, to blame it on others is folly. You alone chose that path, because you alone walk it.

...

Holy Slag, THAT was too deep o.o

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 05:11
#141
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Infernus-Dragneel
Told you that was deep <(._.)>

Just to put it simply.

Believe in what you believe in as no one can control you.
You can't force others your belief.
And nobody can force you their beliefs.

And in every believe, there is a 'lie'

Dafaq did i write \('_')/

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 05:18
#142
Psychodestroyer's picture
Psychodestroyer

I don't really know, but it wasn't what I wrote .('~').

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 06:24
#143
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Infernus-Dragneel
I believe in what i believe in!

Thats the point.

Now, if you'll excuse me, i have to go and make more of the calanders those mayans forgot to make.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 13:26
#144
Severage's picture
Severage
...

Life isn't really a choice, it was more like a gift. But just like all gifts, it won't last forever, death will slowly come by. Then another person will be gifted with life and so on. Reincarnation isn't too silly in my opinion. Do you have a better explanation for what happens AFTER death? I don't just wanna live and die, I wanna thrive, thrive, and thrive! ^^ Who am I? Who are you? Neither of us can answer that question

I have a better explanation from a theological point of view, yes. Reincarnation is a faith like any theory, and from a theological stand point, yes, I can prove to myself than reincarnation does not exist. From an atheist's stand point, reincarnation probably doesn't sound too silly. Of course, from an atheist stand point, what doesn't sound too silly? Life is pointless to them.

As for the Who Am I/Who are you, I know who I am. It's up to you to decide who you are. While life was a gift, eternal life is a gift far greater, and is influenced by the choices you make in life. Life itself is a gift you could say...your life and my life in specific are choices. Death is simply when you run out of time to decide.

...

Psycho...when did you become such a sophist?

you'll think it SHOULD matter, because it'll be the result of how we act in our time while we live, right?

No, not necessarily. I'm sure most churches believe if you do good things then you'll get closer to Heaven, and if you do bad things you'll burn in Hell. That's not how I believe though - but there is a Heaven and a Hell.

~Sev

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 13:44
#145
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Psychodestroyer

"Psycho...when did you become such a sophist?"

I'm not familiar with the term, but Google's telling me that means pretty much 'talking-trash teacher'.

I'm confused.

EDIT:

"eternal life is a gift far greater,"

So we don't get too far deep, Tails begs to differ.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:20
#146
Fropps's picture
Fropps
What about The last time?

Didn't this happen before? A while ago some crazy religious cult predicted the end of the world! When it didn't happen, they blamed it on a bad reading and post-phoned it until 2012...

When will they stop!!

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:25
#147
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Fropps
Oh...

Remember that last bit of information at the end of papyas post? The stuff about gamma rays?

That is... Slightly true.

Geomagnetic storms don't happen that frequently though and we can predict them thanks to the HAARP facility.

Oh, and the only real danger is to astronauts.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:29
#148
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Fropps
Eris is real!

Nibiru isn't real, just ask NASA, but Eris is!

Unfortunately for pessimists, it's billions of light years away and if it was going to collide with us we would be able to see it already, even without a telescope!

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:38
#149
Severage's picture
Severage
@Psycho:

Huh? Trash-talking teacher? Where on earth did you find that definition?

"a. One skilled in elaborate and devious argumentation.
b. A scholar or thinker."

As in, the prefix to Sophist-icated?

~Sev

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:57
#150
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Psychodestroyer

Oic.

Wikipedia: "Sophism in the modern definition is a specious argument used for deceiving someone."

Then something about really well spoken teachers or something.

Oh, and when I was 8. 12-13 officially, but 8 was where it started.

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