Spiral Knights - So about that European server...

So about that European server...

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Wed, 01/30/2013 - 18:24

Shidara

Since early this month I've been plagued with a terrible connection when playing on the European server. Mobs freeze in place as I walk around in an arena with mobs that either stand still or walk out of the boundaries of the level, then have it revert to normal as I discover my Knight's corpse on the ground and every monster piled up around me. Movements that make me jerk all over the place, struggling to just walk to my destination and taking hits even when it seemed like I was able to dodge their attacks.

It has been getting on my nerves and the only thread in Technical Issues sub-forum that was made in response to this gets no attention. I want to play the game. I want to have fun. Now there's an event going on and I don't even want to play on the server that is supposed to provide me with an optimal gaming experience because it does the exact opposite. Am I really the only one faced with this issue? Has nobody else had any problems? Nothing on my computer has changed yet my enjoyment with my favourite MMO has been essentially ruined because of this.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 07:40

Glittertind

I know exactly what you're talking about. Being rubberbanded like a bouncing ball around the floor, constantly draining your health and/or killing you.

I made some posts and did a bit of investigation back when there was a big storm about it here on the forum, but I'm still pretty much clueless, sadly.
Threadstarter Thunderbog is from Asia though, and his problems was most likely related to the great distance between him and the server. However, there are those of us who seem to have a completely different problem. Which is what you're describing.

I am, geographically, not far from Three Rings' server in Ireland. I have a stable (as in I don't get disconnected) and speedy Internet connection. Hardware isn't a problem either. This all makes me believe that it is either something up with my router, or something on Three Rings' side (though, there was also some talk about some bad nodes in the thread that Thunderbog started). I'm skeptic to there being anything on my side, seeing as there are many people with the same problem (which did not stop me from messing around with the settings on my router of course).

Anyhow.
This is what happens with your connection during the spikes:
Lagspikes

Your connection basically cuts and falls down, which is when monsters stand still / walk through walls and all that.
Then it suddenly gets a kickstart and spikes up, which is when you start bouncing around like crazy, before returning to normal.

I would also like to get to the bottom of this. Once and for all...

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 06:15

Dendios

Since Thunderbog's thread, the stability has increased for me, not sure why. I now believe that distance plays a big role in latency issues, but it seems that even the people who are near the server, have lagging and high latency. Now before we go mad and take pitchforks and raid OOO HQ, we should make sure that our own connection is stable.
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Around the time of Thunderbog's thread, my internet provider had some problems with the their post. So we asked them to check it, and in the end ( After 1 month ) they fixed something in it. And since then, the latency got more stable than before, although sometimes in Lockdown, I get some Latency Stuttering and low framerates due to latency. "I know that framerate is only about the PC itself, but when you have high latency, I noticed that the game is very laggy in graphics than when I have low latency. The game gets much smoother when your latency is good."
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So I suggest you check your internet provider, and ask them to fix their post if there was a problem with them. Or try upgrading your computer to something better ? It may help. And believe me, if it comes out that there was a problem in the internet post, and they fix it, you will notice the difference.
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Another thing that may cause high latency is the number of players. More people are joining the game everyday, so the population is in growth. If OOO doesn't decide to open more servers to handle the huge population, the lag will increase day by day until we will have a server fail because of overloading. Looking that OOO isn't a big company, they aren't able to open more servers currently. So the only solution for this problem is : Um... I am not sure if I should say that, but it is just an idea : Make the people who made their accounts at the date X be removed from game. But that would be mean and hurtful, so I don't think it is a good way to handle things.
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You can only endure and endure...

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 07:22

Glittertind

Thanks for the tip about contacting the ISP.
I don't think I've heard about anyone actually solving anything by doing this, but I will definitively give it a try.

As for the Spiral Knights population. I don't think it is much more than it was a month or two ago (based on what I remember from reading the statistics that are provided by Steam).

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 05:24

Miss-Tea

I totally understand this

I totally understand this frustration. A bit after this Kat patch was released my connection started to drop. While in game I started to notice that "red bar" in top right corner and some delayment when I try to hit my enemies.

My connection have never been this bad before and I don't think it has anything to do with my internet at home since I have full bars and my other family members think it works great for them.

QUOTE:
"Your connection basically cuts and falls down, which is when monsters stand still / walk through walls and all that.
Then it suddenly gets a kickstart and spikes up, which is when you start bouncing around like crazy, before returning to normal.

I would also like to get to the bottom of this. Once and for all..."

I have the same trouble.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 06:26

Dendios

Note : You'd better read all of the post rather than scrolling down for the TLDR.
I am 100% sure now that I know the main problem, and it is mostly not from us.

While I know that OOO is a small company, and the other blah blah blah about that... but seriously ?! This game is published by Sega, am I wrong ? Ok, if they are the publishers, can't they "With their loads of money" to open another server for this poor game ? Now if you want to know what is the problem, I'll tell you :

This game is having massive latency problems and lagging issues because of the lack of more servers. I speculated that because whenever a new event is introduced, 1 bar - 2 hits again because of the loads of players coming just to play the event, causing server overloading, which leads to bad connection for most players.

How can we fix this ?

There are 2 choices :

1. Travel nearer to the server ( Which is a bad solution and only crazy people will do it... )

2. OOO or Sega, I don't care, decides to open more servers for the game.

Cmon... this game has been out for 2-3 years and it only have 2 official servers, please Sega... or OOO.... please try to focus on opening new servers rather than adding more things to the game. What would be the benefit of adding new content if the people can't enjoy them as they should ? Do you want us to give you 1m $$$ so you can open a server ? What else can we do to help you do that other than asking, whining etc... ?

At least inform us if you are ever planning on making this move or not, so we can either wait and have hope, or just pack our bags and leave the game and watch it die slowly...

TL;DR : OOO or Sega should put all of their focus on opening new servers, because the main problem is server overloading with more players joining the game. More servers means less pressure on the servers we have now, which means less lag and hopefully free-lag.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 08:02

Klipik

How about finding a way to increase server capacity instead. More servers means emptier servers.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 09:05

Dendios

@Klipik : To be honest with

@Klipik :

To be honest with you, I am not an expert about how servers work and stuff like that, but I just have general knowledge about them. I am not sure if it is possible to increase the capacity of a server, would be a solution though.

What is important here, that OOO, Sega or whatsoever should know that there is a problem in the server, or they need more or just make sure that their own servers is working fine. Hope they do although I doubt it, because I don't remember a GM to discuss this thing with the players, other than Thunderbogg's thread when a GM appeared and told us how to fix the connection "Hopefully" but it didn't work that time anyways.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 09:19

Kitty-Softpaws

When will you accept my love

When will you accept my love Shidara!!!

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 09:57

Korakc

@Kitty-Softpaws

Why havn't I seen you around lately?

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 17:10

#10

Kitty-Softpaws

@ KorakcI get on the forums

@ Korakc

I get on the forums when I'm back to playing SK (most of the time)

When I'm playing SK, I'm on the forums again; when I take a break from SK, I don't get on it as much*

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 19:44

#11

Shidara

Ahem..

If you don't mind, could we stop derailing the thread? This thread is for raising awareness of the problems that me and my fellow European Knights have been experiencing as of recently so if you have nothing to contribute to this please take your business elsewhere.

I find this a big problem because the rubberbanding makes it almost impossible to play. I am grateful that this only seems to happen occasionally but when it does it is bad enough to make me quit. No matter how infrequent that is, it remains a huge problem and shouldn't be overlooked. I hope it is under investigation and that a solution is being brought up but I have heard nothing of it yet.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 20:15

#12

Dendios

Maybe we can officially sign a petition that asks for an investigation over the European Server, there might be some problem in it. Because as you said, our US fellows don't experience these frequent problems with each event. Now, whenever an event comes, I know that I won't play for a week or two. That's really irritating, frustrating and makes me ragequit my matches although I hate doing that.

If we decided on making a petition, then I am signed in ! +1

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 01:14

#13

Fropps

Yar har har!

Dragneel!

Not all of us are euros!

The this thread would make more sence if it was "So about that European / and or Australian server"

Ba-bye!

Frop-

(Oh, but of course I understand the issue, it has my FULL support.)

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 02:04

#14

Shidara

@Fropps

>The this thread would make more sence if it was "So about that European / and or Australian server"

How exactly? This thread is about the ongoing problems EU players have had with the EU server.
There is no Australian/Eastern server to my knowledge (Asian game doesn't count as it is hosted by a different company) and as much as I'd like to support an eastern server run by Three Rings that is a discussion for a different thread.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 02:20

#15

Glittertind

I was thinking about that too, Fropps.
And I'll have to say that I feel with you. We might be having a lagspike every three to five minutes, but I'm not sure it can compare to what you people (assuming you're Australian) over at Australia are having.

Nevertheless. We're both having problems we'd like to get solved, and I'd agree on the name change- BUT.

You see. We're not having the same problem. We actually have a server close to us, but for some reason, we're still having problems, and we're trying to figure out why. In your case, we know that it is because of great distance to the server (I assume).

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 07:58

#16

Fradow

Seems like very few other

Seems like very few other Europeans players bothered to say it, but I don't suffer from those issue at all (I'm in France in case you ask). And I never heard about any fellow European player I play with having those sort of regular problem.

My guess is that it comes from your connection (family member downloading/streaming things), your ISP, or the interconnection between your ISP and OOO ISP (I'd say that last one is the most probable). Adding more servers would have absolutely no effect. And this is probably outside of OOO competency to get that fixed (apart from investigating with ISP what's going on).

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 01:18

#17

Glittertind

Fradow, you can read the thread Thunderbog started here if you haven't already.

There's clearly something going on for some euro-players, I'd say. I guess it would be rather hard to pinpoint exactly how many has this problem...

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 13:30

#18

Shidara

So yeah.

Logged on only to discover that it was stuck at one bar - again. Really has been over a month now that I've had to deal with this.
If this keeps up I might as well not even play anymore.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 11:48

#19

Dragneel-Wiki

It is seriously bad... seriously...

Please OOO, just say something. Even if it was a reject, just state something for bloody sake....

Goes to sleep, and hopes that OOO replies tomorrow...

Ghost : Muahahahah, they won't.... EVER!

They will! I am sure of that!

Ghost : We'll see...

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 12:27

#20

Thunder-The-Bright

well

I'm in italy, and I have a good connection. though, I have never seen 4 bars on me yet.

Thu, 02/14/2013 - 09:35

#21

Dragneel-Wiki

No development....

OOO, please... we are asking you politely to investigate what is happening here. Should we also pay 5000 $ to enable the aware senses in you? Or is it for free? Although I'd like to see more servers, but I am realistic. I know YOU WON'T EVER DO THAT.But I think I can hope that you can check what is happening, can you?

Why don't the US players suffer like EU players occasionally? Never heard that US players are having lag issues frequently with viable reasons. While in EU, people are just a few miles away, with good connection and internet provider, and a decent PC, yet they lag like they are in Asia.

I begged for 3 times or more till now, are you aiming for something? Or should I clinch to the dream when you answer us?

Pfftt... I think it is my destiny that I loved a game that doesn't love me...

Thu, 02/14/2013 - 10:18

#22

Mtax

Welcome to SK.

Thu, 02/14/2013 - 10:23

#23

Paweu

Gonna say it too: 4 bars all

Gonna say it too:
4 bars all the time, had 1 bar few times but in the end it was an issue on my end.

Thu, 02/14/2013 - 12:08

#24

Krakob

I have seen a grand total of four people whining about this, all in this thread. I have seen more than double the amount not having any problems at all. You can't really hold Three Rings accountable for that seeing how it's not a widespread issue so please, stop treating it as one. It's not like OOO owes you anything like a better server or anything, either. Remember when there were no EU servers? Yeah, they spent a ton of money on EU ones for our enjoyment.

Thu, 02/14/2013 - 12:17

#25

Dragneel-Wiki

Laggers gonna lag..

Non-Laggers gonna enjoy..

Laggers gonna quit..

Cradle is freed from them...

/starts packing his bags...

Fri, 02/15/2013 - 02:43

#26

Glittertind

Well, Krakob, we're not really representative for all EU players here (that would probably include this entire forum).

Though, I must say you're acting like a bit of a douché when you start bashing people that are having some very annoying problems (and then start flinging random twaddle at us). All we want is to get to the bottom of it, and you can't really blame us for trying. Some of us are obviously having the same problem, and none of us really have a clue as to why, yet.

Also, if you were to have a look at the thread I linked in my "whining" further up, you would have seen that more people than the few in this thread are having issues with connectivity. Some with what seems like the very same problem as us.

(P.S. You should really look into business strategy and whatnot. I'm afraid you miss the target by two and a half mile if you seriously think Three Rings would set up a server in Europe just to be nice with us.)

Fri, 02/15/2013 - 20:32

#27

Venomousbiohazard

derp

Sorry, I had a horrible day yesterday. Still no excuse to be a royal douche. Apologies, again.

Fri, 02/15/2013 - 05:34

#28

Glittertind

Venomousbiohazard, keep it uuuuhhh... *Twitch* Civil...

Fri, 02/15/2013 - 05:54

#29

Krakob

Keeping it classy, I see.

@Weedalot
I'm not bashing anyone. I'm just saying the only ones I've witnessed being bothered by this have posted in this thread. And that is four people. Which is not a lot compared to the ones I've met who aren't experiencing issues. I'll look up that thread, I suppose. I do realise it's about marketing, regarding the EU server, but that was nothing OOO owed us. 'Twas a win-win situation.

@Venomousbiohazard
Where's all that coming from? That's really rude and I'd report you if there was a function for it in the forums but I suppose that's up to the GMs. Why the fudge are you denying my nationality anyway? I'm a Swede and I've been that for as long as I can remember. Please drop the insults and discuss like a Homo Sapiens Sapiens. Or at least a Homo Sapiens. That'd work, too.

So uh... Since when is the majority of SK players Europeans experiencing lag issues?

Fri, 02/15/2013 - 06:14

#30

Bacon-Strip

I have this same problem in

I have this same problem in US. Game is very frustrating to play during the day, so if I want to play Lockdown or something, it has to be at 4AM.

It says 2-3 bars, but it plays horribly. (everything freezes and/or teleports, hits don't register)

It got bad right after the kat update, and I just passed it off, thinking they'd fix it in the next patch.

They never do.

Fri, 02/15/2013 - 07:40

#31

Zaffy-Laffy

Stop blaming OOO, they do not

Stop blaming OOO, they do not handle the servers. SEGA bought publishing rights, they published the game themselves. If it is complaining you want, it should be on SEGA.

Latency

Geographical location

Lag Spikes

On to Geographical location, if some of you learn some basics on the internet, there are these "gates" in between servers. Let's say you live in California and you still get 1 bar, that's because of the number of "gates" your data has to travel through. Your data might be travelling through a straight forward path to Virginia, or otherwise goes along the coast of Florida. This pushes room for packet losses. Boom, your data disappears until the game server sends one BIG data packet, commonly seen and described by some people here. Blame OOO again? No. Blame the internet. Verdict reached.

Sorry, went a bit off-track, ignore my previous edit.

TL;DR Latency? Too bad for you. Lag spike? Blame yourself first.

Fri, 02/15/2013 - 07:58

#32

Meida

@Zaffy

So, everyone used to have a good connection, everyone started having issues at the same time, that surely means everyone's ISP or everyone's computer decided to freak out at the same time. That's your conclusion? You don't think for a second that it might be server side?

I've been getting what Shidara is talking about, i don't know about PvE because i don't really play it, but in LD, since the recon glitch came, the game tends to freeze for 2~5 seconds every 10~20 seconds some matches, depending on what time it is. And before you go saying that it's my computer, my connection to any other game remains unchanged.

Fri, 02/15/2013 - 08:21

#33

Zaffy-Laffy

Excuse me? Please elaborate on your situation "everyone's computer decided to freak out at the same time."

I am suggesting that the game will not so often lag you to death, if that particular situation happens, one should blame thyself first.

If you are suggesting that oh "the game tends to freeze for 2~5 seconds every 10~20 seconds some matches", then I have already stated " 6v6 LD with 2-3 spectators, and half the team are inside my screen, going in all directions, that's definitely going to lag, no arguments." Huge data packets will obviously lag the server, but no one lags forever.

I also suggested another reason if you would so kindly read on this and I believe that the amount of nodes in Europe is too high.

Fri, 02/15/2013 - 09:18

#34

Krakob

@Meida If it completely

@Meida
If it completely freezes and doesn't rerender, it's because of your hardware. Packet losses, latency and the likes do not prevent your computer from rerendering.

Also, by the gods, stop saying "everyone". Seriously. Because it's not everyone.

@Bacon Strip
If it's a server-side issue as you all claim, how the fudge would a client-side patch fix it? It wouldn't.

Fri, 02/15/2013 - 16:45

#35

Worknplay

I'm more concerned by the

I'm more concerned by the terrible frame per seconds rate of certain (a lot of) maps than the game connection overall. It improved a lot since the game started, you gotta give that to OOO!
Again, framerate though...gee.

Fri, 02/15/2013 - 18:51

#36

Bacon-Strip

@Krakob

Never said it was server-side. How does a new update impair my (and others) connection?

I take regular pingtests and down and up speeds, and they are always the same. Average of 80 ping, 1 jitter, 20 down, 2 up. Just like always. Nothing has changed.

Fri, 02/15/2013 - 20:33

#37

Venomousbiohazard

@Krakob

Sorry, I had a horrible day yesterday. Still no excuse to be a royal douche. Apologies, again.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 03:02

#38

Krakob

@Worknplay
Low framerate is only caused by your hardware. IIRC, there was a patch that SEGA and not specifically OOO did that improved performance a lot. That was very appreciated on my old 1GB RAM/2GHz dual core AMD/Radeon 1300-1550 something GPU PC.

@Bacon Strip
Ah, pardon then. Patches do however not cause extra connection lag because server hardware isn't really patched simply because it's not software.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 11:00

#39

Meida

@Krakob and Zaffy

I HIGHLY doubt that a new build that cost me around 1300euros would fail to run Spiral knights. It is NOT my hardware.
The lag in big matches was already noticeable before. It was more noticeable when the spectator thing came out, but still fine. Ever since the last kat update it is UNPLAYABLE. And i know i'm not the only one because other people are complaining, ence the thread. Like Bacon-strip, i run regular ping tests, and my connection does NOT have packet losses, i am running fiber optic, so that is pretty much a non existing factor.

The only remaining options are bad coding which leads to faulty, non efficient software, or server issues. Seeing as before the connection was fine, i'm going to assume it's the latest.

If there are people that aren't suffering from lag on the EU server since this patch came, there is a simple explanation for this. Either:
1) they haven't played the game long enough to know how lag spikes affect it or don't even know what lag is and choose not to care
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2) they live near the server and it doesn't affect them as much.

Latency is natural obviously, the more people in the game the more it's going to lag, etc. but situations where the server just stops sending data are not.
As an example, i've been playing Tera lately, and their pvp system allows for a major 15vs15 battle, on a huge map, where the effects and variety of scenarios are MUCH, MUCH more demanding. I play this on the US server (i'm from the EU) and i see a ping of about 150 to 160ms at all times, with NO lagspikes. Now, this server is across the god damn Atlantic ocean whilst the SK EU server is less than 900 miles away from me. Explain this to me, because in my head it makes no sense that tera is more playable for me than SK.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:24

#40

Worknplay

Hi Krabob, I doubt you're

Hi Krabob, I doubt you're right there; I'm using an 8GB RAM Quad core i7 with GEFORCE GT540M; now in a nutshell, it means I get to run any of the most recent games at full graphics quality. I don't mean to say that proves you wrong but I can't wrap my mind around the fact that you just assumed my hardware was unsufficient without knowing it in the first place, hence I would be rather tempted to say that your arguiing in general is invalid.
Now; I've been playing this game for quite nearly 2 years if I recall well, and it definitely hasn't always been like this. It used to be quite smooth to play; it would seem to me that implementing features such as equipments live preview is doing no good to the game's fps; some of the most "recent" maps (Avenue in LD, OCH) do not seem to take in account such issues as fps, resulting some kind of hardly playable frustrating mess (despite an ace hardware).

Fri, 04/12/2013 - 04:39

#41

Glittertind

Reviving this with new information.

So, since this thread, I've contacted my ISP about the problem. That was about a month or two ago (I get confused) or something. They went ahead and tested my connection and whatnot and in the end we concluded that there was something up with my wireless. Meaning either my router, or my wireless card... They told me to try hooking my computer up to the modem (and not the router, because that would still be through "wireless" they told me, which is what I had done, thinking it would run wired but...) and test for about a day.

I had also talked to one of my friends, whom is rather knowledgeable when it comes to computers, before contacting the ISP, about the problem and showed him the graph I posted in one of my earlier posts here in this thread. He said that the spikes mean that there is something up with the wireless card drivers, and that this happens with wireless cards that use generic drivers. Not that I was using that.

Anyhow, the very next day after contacting my ISP (before I had had the chance to test by cable to the modem as they had told me to), I got a notification that Windows Update had new updates for me (and I naturally thought; Oh great, another update...), so I looked over the pending updates and saw, to my surprise: Driver update for RL(wireless card number)

Just so you know; I had tried looking for new drivers for my wireless card before. Twice, actually. With no luck. Suddenly I get this from Windows-freaking-update, and well... It works.

Almost needless to say that I was pretty speechless; It instantly fixed all of my (spike) lag problems. I could finally run FSC without dying, or getting randomly grilled by fire. I am no longer a part of those who have weird, unexplainable lag... I guess I owe Three Rings an apology for suspecting them.

Also;
Helios, you were right. I was wrong.

But yea, some of you are probably still having problems. Look for driver updates, talk to your ISP, try buying a long ethernet cable and run it through your house/apartment/whatever and see if you still have it, heck, try mailing the people who made your wireless card if you still can't figure it out.
I got sort of lucky and was handed the solution on a silver platter, but I know the feeling of having spike lag, and I know how insanely annoying it can get.

Fri, 04/12/2013 - 05:21

#42

Shamanalah

my 2 cents

This thread is for raising awareness of the problems that me and my fellow European Knights have been experiencing as of recently so if you have nothing to contribute to this please take your business elsewhere.

As a Quebecker (someone who lives in Quebec) and a fellow french knights, playing and chatting with euros on daily basis.

They don't lag... Some of them do because of their location however most of them don't lag at all when doing SL, FSC, RT, LD, Danger Missions and so on... I don't lag when my friend host, we have people from Swiss, from France and from Quebec, hosting and mix-matching those connections and we NEVER lag the way you do

Maybe it has something to with on YOUR end.

I don't like you put every euro player in the same basket because YOU lag. Most of them don't, the EU server is pretty fine for them...

When the mobs appear the server send you information and your PC is either to slow (graphically) to show them in time or it has trouble rendering it (being a "too low RAM" case). If playing on low graphic doesn't help you then it is YOUR connection to OOO main server that is faulty.

Pointing finger at OOO is not the solution here, you should check your end before claiming bad EU server... PLEASE!

Edit: Explain this to me, because in my head it makes no sense that tera is more playable for me than SK.me

Being close to a server doesn't IMPLY that you will take the shortest route (in term of connection) to it. Being a "FULL OMGWTFBBQ" PC doesn't change that bad connection = bad connection. Fiber optic is great if both ends has it, if I don't then you are slowed down to my maximal upload rate (Fiber optic = cool... but to implement it is beyond most user)

Fun fact: Did you know that fiber optic is right next to my house and I have to (myself) plug on to it and configure it... The government is so great! Fiber optic for everyone!!!! Just go grab it... -_-

I can make a "FULL OMGWTFBBQ" lag the crap with only Minecraft, couple stacks of TNTs and no Optifine... Even a full blown OP pc can be taken down by mere processor operation

Fun fact number 2: Did you know that your full blown OP processor is processing slower than your "decent" graph card?

Fun fact number 3: PC are not optimized when you get them, at least 30% of it's power has been taken away to promote stability, since the common user don't need all that power

Fun fact number 4: You can lag with a "OMGWTFBBQ" PC, you are. The connection is a bigger problem then your PC specs on most MMORPG but people WILL sell you a 16 go ram PC when I have 4 and can run Crysis 2, Far Cry 3, SC2, LoL and so on...

Fun fact number 5: Doesn't mean you have a big PC that you know anything about PC's... Just mean you put a lot of money into it and you listened to someone who knows more then you in PCs...

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 06:26

#43

Shidara

Well, I find it pretty darn

Well, I find it pretty darn suspicious when I invite my American friends to a run in our European servers, when suddenly I suffer from the same ol' problems that I have for the past four-or-so months...and wouldn't you know it, they experienced the same exact thing at the exact same time. Explain that, please. For I sure as heck cannot find an explanation for it, and neither could they.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 06:40

#44

Shamanalah

my 2 cents

Well, I find it pretty darn suspicious when I invite my American friends to a run in our European servers, when suddenly I suffer from the same ol' problems that I have for the past four-or-so months...and wouldn't you know it, they experienced the same exact thing at the exact same time. Explain that, please. For I sure as heck cannot find an explanation for it, and neither could they.

It seems like both of you has problem rendering the game whenever monster pops.

I play on American server with IP connections. My friends plays on Euro servers. They invite me: I don't lag

I invite them: 1 lag, the other doesn't

And he can still do FSC decently because it's not a huge lag at all, it's about a .5 seconds or a 1 second delay at worst.

The fact that Americans AND Euros lag on the same thing is proof that the connection is not the problem because most people don't lag like so.

Whenever I saw people teleporting and doing nonsense, the problem was on my end. Like the problem is on your end because I play with Euro players on daily basis and DON'T LAG!!!

We got one player that got dropped out from a lag at Sanctuary, right after doing SL FSC w/o rez. We had to take her to another SL and we did Ice Queen, she still lag (like she always do, regardless the connection) and she did it.

I find it funny that we have 5-6-7 Quebeckers now and we have like 10-20 Euros and we have done so many configurations that we know who has the optimal connection and what SETTINGS to choose whenever we do a run. Because hey... we know what we are doing and we know how to use the tools we are given

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 06:59

#45

Shidara

@Shamanala

You just made a massive post saying basically nothing. I seriously cannot make heads or tails of it.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 07:24

#46

Shamanalah

my 2 cents

I just made a massive post saying that the problem is on your end and that the EU server words fine for EU players and for American players who use it on a daily basis and configure their region section whenever they have to play together, in order to get optimal connection.

Which you don't do nor can understand...

Press Escape, region, choose EU, tell your american player to put their region into IP.

With those settings you are set as a EU host and your american player will connect with the shortest route possible.

Of course if you sit on your *** whining and not trying anything, nothing will get done. However if you try to understand WHY you have lag spikes, then most of the times, the problem solves on it's own...

Lagging when mob spawn? Lower your graph resolution and graph quality. Lagging all the times? Even when you are not on Spiral Knights? Then it's your connection...

TL;DR The problem is on your end, most EU players I play with don't lag. Try to find a solution other than: "WAAAAHHHH OOO THIS NOT WORK. WWWWAAAAHHHHHHH"

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 07:50

#47

Shidara

@Shamanala

You certainly are quick to jump to your own conclusions. Nowhere did I say that I lag when mobs spawn, and I have quite clearly said that everything else runs fine. Hmm.

And I still have no idea how to read your previous post, because the way it is constructed doesn't make any sense and makes it seem like you're just going on a rant of your own. But that is neither here nor there.

Anyway, back on the subject at hand, how the heck does the IP setting have anything to do with it? As I understand it your settings determine which server your client will try to connect to, Europe connecting to the server in Ireland and USA connecting to the one in Virginia, and selecting From IP lets it choose the closest server for you based on your location (or something along those lines). When creating a party in the Clockworks, the Party Leader's regional setting determines which server the party will be running on. If my understanding is correct, then all this means is that when you host a party with the region setting on Europe, all joining players will connect to the European server regardless of their own settings. How changing this setting when joining a foreign party makes any sort of difference makes no sense to me.

And please, cut the trash talk. You're just making yourself look bad. If I knew what the problem was in the first place I wouldn't be wasting my time posting here.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 08:34

#48

Dragneel-Wiki

@Shamanala :
Shut up, please. I won't even bother to tell you why you should.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 08:45

#49

Shamanalah

my 2 cents

It defines how people connect to your server, which route it takes.

Choosing IP takes the shortest route. American and Europe has pre-determined routes, IP doesn't use them if it doesn't have to... If I chose American I am redirected to the American server (wherever it is) then to be redirected to the Europe server. While if I chose IP, I just connect directly to the Europe server, since I live in Quebec, I don't have any detours in IP, if I chose American than I go to US to be redirected to Europe. Taking a lot of lag into consideration.

There's more than a single connection being made between you and the server. Choosing those settings (even though you are only connecting) doe change the outcomes of your gameplay.

I am pointing out different scenario that shows different problems.

Lagging when mob spawn? Lower your graph resolution and graph quality. Lagging all the times? Even when you are not on Spiral Knights? Then it's your connection...

That was just general, wasn't pointing at you at all.

Edit: I couldn't care less about looking bad on a forum trying to explain connection problems to someone while trying to help him in a foreign language for me with different technical terms... Yes I do sounds funky because of those reasons...

Telling me to shut up won't make me shut up

Edit 2: I look bad enough trying to explain to an old lady that Norton telling her that her anti-virus is over is a "normal" thing... >.<

Edit 3: To not post again

Like I said: I play with Europe players all the time, I have 3 of them on my Teamspeak atm, we do at least 10 vana runs a day, I mean... I have pretty much tested the Europe connections back and forth in so many configuration, I have trouble thinking you are lagging way worst than any of us do. I just wanna know why o.O

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 09:26

#50

Glittertind

Shamanala... Please... Just stop posting.

You're absolutely not helping anyone.

It's impossible to tell if you're actually making any valid points because you drown it all in your own pool of stupidity. Right now, you're trying to deny the very fact that Shidara has a problem at all by bashing people with that line over and over again; "I play with EU players that have no troubles, therefore, you don't have any troubles and you should be happy."

We're not talking about regular latency or what server you're connected to, I talked about how I got my spike lag fixed further up, and I say that they should have a look at their wireless drivers, if they're using wireless of course. Even if they're connected by cable directly to the router, it would still have to use the router, therefore, to properly skip that section, they must draw a cable to the modem.

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