Spiral Knights - So, what have changed during all that time?

So, what have changed during all that time?

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Sat, 05/11/2013 - 14:31

Asukalan

So i just came back after a while, can anyone sum up what changed?

So far i have noticed:

- New ugly and non practical UI that looks like poor website made with *.bmp sprites,
- OOO still sticks to old and unpractical chat design instead of using quite popular and suggested "tabbed chat",
- A lot of unnesesary and over-sweet looking icon changes,
- Divine Avenger, Gran Faust, Callahan, Polaris, Argent Peacemaker, Sententza charge bug is still not fixed (exploding immediately upon releasing when knight is standing with his back next to a wall or other obstacle),
- Wolvers jumping out of map area is still not fixed,
- Zombies in FSC can still get pushed out of map when got hit by wheels,
- No new rank missions,
- Blitz needle,
- even when now HP bar takes up half of your screen, and you have gigantic shield bar so you can see your health all the time, and there are health bars for enemies, and it now even tells you what is it weakness people still crybaby whine over fiends being too op,
- garrison is opened for players,

I didnt manage to check, but does:
- shard bombs shrapnels still damage enemies that are behind energy barriers?
- lockdown list of players till mixes tiers, so when you see X players waiting you dont know if they are in T1,T2 or T3?
- stun bug still happen, making enemies attack twice, players being stunlocked for 2 seconds?
- blitz needle still can kill enemies that are behind energy barriers?
-

Things most likely happened:
- a lot of CE stuff just for lulz and showing off,
- a lot of boxes with keys and recoloured items,
- CE price dramas,

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 14:45

Thegamerguy

What has changed? Stuff.What

What has changed? Stuff.

What hasn't? Obviously ungrateful players.

Seriously; why make a topic just to bash down the game and OOO and act like you're ACTUALLY curious about changes within the game? I frown at pessimistic players that feel the need to shout to the community about what they don't like and completely ignore anything positive. It was better here when you were gone.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 14:44

Little-Juances

Actually OOO forgot about CE and promos. And released a couple of new enemies.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 14:47

Bopp

as you know very well

If you actually want to know what has changed, then (as you know very well) you should read the Announcements forum, or the Release Notes on the wiki. Either of those will give you a much more accurate idea of changes, than random forum posts.

On the other hand, maybe you are not sincerely asking what has changed.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 14:53

Flowchart

No mention of OCH still not being purchasable with CE?

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 15:05

Asukalan

Oh, it is? Its been over a

Oh, it is?

Its been over a year since introduction of OCH and even if OOO was supposed to "work on it" so hard its still available only as direct purchase with real money (even if on asian server, at the very beginning of its launch, OCH was available to buy with CE right from the start, without any problems) which completly cuts off to it for loyal F2P players who play on official SK site.

At least OOO had some dignity to not release any more new Expansion Mission packs, maybe they are really working on it (but whats there to work if the solution is ready for what proof was OCH for CE on asian server).

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 15:28

Thegamerguy

Aha, just like I thought-

Aha, just like I thought- just another disruptive complaining thread.

Grow up; and if that doesn't work, you can always leave again :)
Nobody's forcing you to stay and look at this horrendous pile of crap you see the game as.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 15:52

Aphrodite

Community Manager

@Asukalan

Asukalan, as I've posted before, OCH is tradeable on the Gamecyber server because they are not partners with Steam. Our partnership with Steam creates technical issues which need to be handled before OCH can be tradeable in the game. I cannot go into details, because I am not a developer. Please stop posting incorrect information.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 18:25

Fehzor

Wolvers can still teleport outside of the map? Thats news to me!

Also- stun is fixed, and they made several new enemies. So its not completely bad. They've got some nice looking stuff in the works, but I have yet to see the implementation. I've heard its kind of game breaking though, but that was just a test or so. Hopefully they'll change it. :(

Same goes for battle sprites, though we haven't seen them. I'm just a bit... worried for the game. The devs had seriously better get their data right with it. XD

Hmmm

I don't WANT more rank missions. Screw the rank missions. Arcade is better, rank missions are sufficient. More than sufficient. If anything, I'd like to see tweaks to the rank missions so as to have them be made longer. Like trials. Make arcade the main game. And they have been doing so :D

The devs (or well, Eurydice) also gave us a legit poll on weapon balance in the game. Which I filled out, but then I was like "hmmm..." and rethought a couple things later. Oh well. I told them to read my thoughts on the forums, and I think that they do, actually. Which is a nice feeling, even if I'd love to just... talk to them about it. I mean really, I write all of these things in hopes of people liking/supporting them, and a few people usually do.. but the people that made the features never post a "we see the balance of every single weapon slightly differently". Not even a mail. The only times they reply are when asked extremely basic questions in threads designated for response. And then people send them cake and they decide to talk to them? Criticism is the highest form of respect. But maybe that's just me. "good enough" requires better than perfect. Otherwise, you will fail. Most game developers are all stuck up anyway. Pride is considered a sin by some cults. I suppose I don't really write for anyone anyway. I said that once, and its kind of true.

Also, don't leave. We need more people to complain about the game and make the developers feel awful like the terrible people that we are!

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 18:28

Retequizzle

Another thing that's changed

Another thing that's changed - Aphrodite now lays smackdowns with extreme prejudice. Remind me to never get on the wrong side of the goddess of love.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 20:13

#10

Thegamerguy

Meh, edited. Why continue

Meh, edited. Why continue bashing when point was made? :3

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 01:54

#11

Asukalan

Im glad for Gamecyber, too

Im glad for Gamecyber, too bad game here, on official site is still on steam leash.

I have already seen new enemies, they gave nice diversity to clockworks. I was hoping to find Tortodrone somewhere but i guess they are gone forever.

And the "battle sprites" seems like wet dream of all those "i can has a pets" come true. I wonder how it will come out with lags, since now there will be 4 players + 4 sprites in CW party.

Also, i dont know what "incorrect information" you are talking about, i just stated a fact, that OCH is buyable with CE on gamecyber and not here despite that year have already passed. Maybe you are referring to "but whats there to work if the solution is ready for what proof was OCH for CE on asian server" or rather "supposed to work on it". Fine, i acknowledge that OOO is working on it then, it is indeed LONG term project. We will see results in another year :) Just hope there wont be another "end of world" before that, and we will live to see it. We got lucky on december 21st :)

Also, there is one more thing thats bugging me. Does players from kongregate site (and maybe other sites where SK was launched), have access to forum, SK wiki and support portal (with GM tickets, requests, CE history) with their accounts made over there? Or do they need to make special account here to access forum?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 05:10

#12

Dream-Harmonics

Hmmm?

Posted in wrong thread, disregard this.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 06:13

#13

Shamanalah

my 2 cents

Also, i dont know what "incorrect information" you are talking about, i just stated a fact, that OCH is buyable with CE on gamecyber and not here despite that year have already passed.

Incorrect information right there biased by your own opinion

OOO never said they was supposed to "work on it"... They are investigating what it would take for the game to be able to trade STEAM related content IN-GAME... Which is totally a different problem than what you originally thought...

OOO doesn't have the bigger straw here... Valve and Sega mostly hold down on what they can and cannot do outside of the game Spiral Knights.... I'm sure if it was only from Nick, the OCH could be tradable in-game but cannot due to Steam vs non-steam user issue...

How can a Steam user trade with a non-steam user?

Find that and you can finally trade OCH with anybody instead of crying to OOO that nothing gets done

Edit: Fehzor said it best: I don't WANT more rank missions. Screw the rank missions. Arcade is better, rank missions are sufficient. More than sufficient. If anything, I'd like to see tweaks to the rank missions so as to have them be made longer. Like trials. Make arcade the main game. And they have been doing so :D

Ditto

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 06:50

#14

Aumir

Whoa

Shamanala>
"How can a Steam user trade with a non-steam user?

Find that and you can finally trade OCH with anybody instead of crying to OOO that nothing gets done"

Could you please tell me how? Because I would be interested in such a thing, it would give me a new free roaming permanent dungeon with prizes after all this time, since Roarmulus Twins.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 06:58

#15

Shamanalah

my 2 cents

@ Aumir did you even read my post?

Could you please tell me how? Because I would be interested in such a thing, it would give me a new free roaming permanent dungeon with prizes after all this time, since Roarmulus Twins.

That's the problem OOO is having, OCH being a Steam buyable and can be traded in steam but not in-game, that's the problem OOO has to "work on"

"fix" this problem and you can trade OCH with anybody for ce/items...

Instead of complaining

How can a Steam user trade with a non-steam user?

Find that and you can finally trade OCH with anybody instead of crying to OOO that nothing gets done

Edit: you can gift Sonic CD to a friend via Steam and he *WOULD* get the metal sonic suit and helm with your gift... How can you do that from a Steam user to a non-steam user? That's what the MAIN server cannot do... because it is linked with Steam... However Gamecyber server aren't linked with Steam, so there is no Steam vs non-steam issue, there is just non-steam user trading non-steam content...

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 07:10

#16

Asukalan

Everyone assume that only

Everyone assume that only existing option that will let F2P players have OCH is to "trade" it from player to players.

The other option is to be able to buy that stuff directly with CE.

And thats what happenened on Gamecyber. They were able to buy OCH expansion mission directly with CE from supply depot. It was not tradeable, it was being sold.

Sure, they didnt have problems with some steam but also they were not restricting themselves to only one option (only trade player with players) but they used second option. Here comes questions why OOO is blundering towards "making OCH tradeable" when there is another option "make OCH buyable directly with CE from NPC/supply depot/etc".

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 07:56

#17

Shamanalah

my 2 cents

Here comes questions why OOO is blundering towards "making OCH tradeable" when there is another option "make OCH buyable directly with CE from NPC/supply depot/etc".

Because Steam users cannot trade it to non-steam users...

The in-games one could be tradable but not the steam one to a non-steam users and it would require $$$$

The game market isn't the same because in the MAIN server, there is Steam related content, so people can trade TF2 items which is good for the overall economy of SK... and trade games like CoD and whatnot...

If you limit this to only in-games trade the main server will take a huge hit from all the steam user merchant leaving the game... Having TF2 link to SK was not a bad move...

So let's pause and wonder... Gamecyber vs Steam... hhhhhmmmmmm

Edit: you do realize you can buy Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 with CE?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 08:05

#18

Little-Juances

All of this is caused because OOO wanted publicity by creating a Steam DLC.
It could have been released as an in-game item from the start, without lsiting it as a separate DLC.

You can already trade in-game items (unbinded weapons, energy, mats) for TF2 stuff so that's not the problem.
It's the way they classified OCH as "dlc".

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 08:08

#19

Neodasus

Well, it worked. It brought

Well, it worked. It brought alot of players to steam that normally would not have tried it. It also had the potential to increase sales for steam via other gaming purchases. It was a good move.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 08:48

#20

Shamanalah

my 2 cents

IMO it gives a reason to play with Steam

There is the rare Steam Knights Mask that you can get by inciting 5 of your Steam friends to play SK (and complete the tutorials)

Shogun set

Imperial Tricorne too I believe? (not sure though)

Metal Sonic set

Weren't Tails Tails from that too?

I can trade my Reclaimed Metal in TF2 for CE, so another way to farm CE while having fun

I can gift OCH to my friend as a Christmas Gift

Seriously why would you not play on Steam?

:D just kiddin ^ ^

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 17:09

#21

Xtweeterx

The most logical possibility:

Too much TL;DR. Let's just consider they're working on stuff we've requested IN SECRET! ERRMAHVERG! =O

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 17:42

#22

Troupe-Forums

If you want to buy OCH from someone but hate playing thru steam, it's very easy to play with the normal client on a steam account.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 18:15

#23

Klipik

I will now pick apart your post because I'm bored. :D

-even when now HP bar takes up half of your screen, and you have gigantic shield bar so you can see your health all the time, and there are health bars for enemies, and it now even tells you what is it weakness people still crybaby whine over fiends being too op,
--I'm gonna have to disagree with you on the health part, but two things to note: 1) you can only see the weakness when autotarget is on and 2) they nerfed devilites, and then added Gorgos and buffed greavers. So, fiends are kinda different.

-lockdown list of players till mixes tiers, so when you see X players waiting you dont know if they are in T1,T2 or T3?
--Yes.

-stun bug still happen, making enemies attack twice, players being stunlocked for 2 seconds?
--no.

-a lot of CE stuff just for lulz and showing off,
--Not really.

-a lot of boxes with keys and recoloured items,
--Only boxes. Unlocked boxes, with tokens from events. Dark Harvest boxes, Winterfest boxes, Anniversary boxes. Yay. I like boxes. Unless they have eyebrows. /e hides from Luguiru

-CE price dramas,
--Nope. Guild Halls fixed that. Wait, you didn't mention those... Remember this? Yeah. That actually happened.

Other things you may not have noticed:
How freakin' long this thread is.

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So, what have changed during all that time?