Spiral Knights - Why does OOO appear to squash and bury criticism now?

Why does OOO appear to squash and bury criticism now?

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Sun, 07/07/2013 - 16:22

Randomzz

Seriously. Any thread that goes against the great, perfect will or consensus of the clearly omniscient devs gets insta-locked. This one probably will too, with an excuse of keep threads in the appropriate place or something.

Examples: (and for the almighty Seed's sake [think about my name CS people] these are examples, not actually discussing them or their contents)

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/83677
Guy posts a letter of why he doesn't like changes. Locked.

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removed since apparently I had a case of grab-everything-you-can-possibly-cite and used something that I actually don't agree with. Derp.
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http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/83522
Thread about OOO insta-locking threads. Locked for "discussing test server" stuff even though it never actually did but merely discussed OOO's actions and the reasons why the test forum exists.

And of course the countless threads meant for actual discussion of ideas moved to die in Suggestions.

OOO has already told everyone to post this crap in one of two threads. But of course people have trouble following instructions, though. If they don't go against OOO's set in stone master plan, though, they get passes to live on without getting locked. There are plenty more examples, these are just the most recent and easiest for me remember the dates xD

Again, this has nothing to do with those threads, their contents, or the test server. This is about OOO's double standards and lack of an ability to publicly accept community criticism.

Do you agree? Am I crazy like your grandpa? Speak your opinions please, before this gets locked anyways.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 16:35

Heavy-Dragon

They will do as they please

They will do as they please anyway, so it doesn't matter what they close. Besides, it would be best to have all negative feed back localized so they can look at it all at once. They have no need to localize or even relocate pats on the back.
Regarding the unlocked threads, maybe they just missed a few or got tired of locking. Fact of the matter remains that people giving feedback should post in the feedback section.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 16:35

Randomzz

good points

Still doesn't change the specific wording of their reasons for locking the example threads and them going against that wording with all the others, but good nonetheless.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 18:40

Waffleconecake

one of these twits again

All but the third was locked for an OBVIOUS forum rule related reason. You know, those things you are meant to fallow? the things that are sticky-ed on EVERY FORUM?

The first link as you may be able to read from Aphrodite's post on that thread clearly states not to post testing server feed back in general discussion.

The second link also by Aphrodite mentions that the TESTING FEED BACK forum is meant for TESTING FEED BACK not ranting and complaining about people being punished for not fallowing the rules.

The third link was most likly locked seeing how the only purpose of it was to complain about people being punished for breaking the rules. I honestly don't understand why it was locked out side of that reason but it never should have been made as it would be like if a murder started doing speeches in town hall about how it was totaly wrong and rude of those police officers to arrest him for stabbing those two people earlier.

The reason for the other threads still being opened is because they are in the correct forum. People's threads suggesting item nerfs don't get locked for being outside of Hex's mega thread for it. The point of the 'non-battle sprites stuff' and 'battle sprite stuff' threads were to allow people to just simply post there feed back, not have full on threads for. People can still post their findings for the update and they should as long as they are actually on the testing server.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 18:45

Fehzor

I would be afraid of criticism too if you guys came at me like that.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 19:08

Hexzyle

@Randomzz

with an excuse of keep threads in the appropriate place or something

Just saying this shows you have little experience with foruming.

Meanwhile OOO breaks their own rule by allowing these to remain open despite there being specifically instructed threads for these already:

Nope. The developers and GMs just deemed those threads useless and/or nonsensical, and therefore they would serve no purpose in the designated threads except taking up space and increasing read times.

There are rules in place for a reason. No matter how many people there are who think they're above the rules and can do anything they want, doesn't make it any more right.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 19:25

Waffleconecake

Oh, hi hex. Just felt like

Oh, hi hex. Just felt like clearing up that no, that one post was not sarcasm I really am glad you are on the forums :).

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 20:12

Destroyerofthenort

@waffleconecake

Just wanting to point out that mine was actually posted in the testing forums... i created my own thread.... i actually DID post it here http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/forum/62

...not that that was the only post. Off the note that they had odds of doing this, it was posted in the subthread for non-battle sprite feedback as well. Both, as you will note, are/were (before they hacked out everything that actually made my post seem even half charismatic... they cut the entire summary section in half.) listed as having multiple instances. One now links to the graveyarded one for anyone who wants the un-"censored" version. Go figure :P
also initially sent it as an email they have yet to reply to that, as it mentions, was posted as a means of letting people know they HAVE seen it, so that if they are ignoring us purposely, we will know

.... anyway, Just throwing it out there

Should it be mentioned they sent me a message upon the next login saying not to post anything of personal affront?

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 20:39

Retequizzle

Rules are open to

Rules are open to interpretation by those who create them. General rule of thumb should be not to try and bite the hand that feeds you, which a lot of threads that tend to get locked do in some fashion - granted, some more obviously than others. The simple point remains, at the end of the day, if you're not playing by their rules in the first place, you're probably not doing anyone any good.

Their forums, their rules. Break 'em, run the risk of repercussions. It's a pretty cut-and-dry concept, regardless of what your opinion on how it's implemented.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 20:50

Little-Juances

Don't you think they'd do the same thing if every single player started their own thread to.... discuss how cute snipes are?

Maybe a part of them are plain evil and can't take negative criticism, but I wouldn't like to see 20 threads ranting about the same thing on GD either... Granted I wish they were as strict on suggestions forums (ERMAGHER DUEL WEILD)

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 21:03

#10

Xtweeterx

@Retequizzle:TL;DR

@Retequizzle:

TL;DR version:

Don't be all like "UGM PLEASE FIX THIS! PLZ DO THAT! WE WANT THIS OR I'MMA WUIT ASBFASIBFUSIDFBG!" or use sarcasm. Say your suggestions calmly and maturely like a rational person would.

I myself am an ex-creator on my first community, but people on the pointed out flaws with my products and I was like "Oh i didn't see that" or "Oh that's a good idea". If you do something like yell at them or threaten them, then that's no good. (get the reference)

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 21:34

#11

Luguiru

I once had a dream that the development team held a discussion including everyone from the foorims and a few people withholding great ideas in the shadows while the masses of clones and Protos watched from a window, the meeting ending with a development roadmap including future discussions for specific topics, developers interested in particular topics choosing players to discuss ideas with in their own little groups, and with every idea a public discussion for players of all groups and experience to speak their mind.

After that diluted hallucination Haven was invaded by Decepticons and slaughtered millions. Some betrayed the Spiral Order for the superior force, others went down dressed in the most expensive costumes they could find, but in the end it turned out all they wanted was their engine repaired since it inexplicably exploded while passing Cradle after seeing th-

The rest of this post has been removed to protect the secret.
Soundwave superior.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 21:42

#12

Retequizzle

@ xtweeterx: Yeah, that.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 21:56

#13

Randomzz

Crap this is long

@Waffle:
I grabbed the link for the first example from the testing forum, which was the appropriate place for that topic so your reasoning does not stand but in fact argues for it. I'm guessing they locked the general disc. thread (as they should have) but perhaps the test forums version was a ghost copy? I'm not sure why that link says general, and I did not know he had posted in other places, but it wasn't where I found it. In fact, the thread in testing now that I look as been removed from the list... very odd.

For the second see my reply to Hex.

For the third: while it wasn't in best taste and perhaps had no purpose than letting people vent, it still did not violate any rules, especially not the one Cronus used to lock it. To me, that's just fabricating an excuse to get rid of something you don't like.

Thank you for taking time to read and try to understand what I'm trying to point out, though. You were certainly the best. Though calling me a twit, not so much.
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@Hex:
First quote-
Please try again after actually reading my post and perhaps some of the links. The reason I said that was not my lack of foruming experience. I have been participating in gaming forums for the past, oh, 10 years roughly (Ruuuuuunescaaaaaape). Granted, the commercial-backboned-internet as been around since 1995, so I've only been doing it for 55.5% of the modern internet's life, but I've been around the block a few times. Not to mention been here a lot longer than I remember you.

The reason I said that was because Cronus said, and I quote:

"Once again, our guidelines for the testing server are quite clear. All discussion and feedback about features currently on the preview server should be kept in the Testing Feedback forum.
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/24087
These are features that are not yet in the game, and should not be in General Discussion. Having all the discussion in a single location helps us quickly gather feedback without spoiling the update for those who don't want a preview.
Thank you!"

That thread had absolutely no unreleased content talked about and yet Cronus locked it for "posting threads in the wrong place", which was a lie and excuse on his part. So it's more that give that fact, and the fact that OOO will not fairly and universally apply their rules, makes me simply not trust OOO not to break their rules again to lock this.

Second quote-
"There are rules in place for a reason. No matter how many people there are who think they're above the rules and can do anything they want, doesn't make it any more right."

Oh I agree. I just think they also apply to OOO. Now I have absolutely no problem with them locking the second thread I used, as it really didn't address anything to that subforum (testing feedback). Actually I'm not sure why I used that at all.

But if they're going to lock the criticizing threads that are on topic to the subforum that happen not to be in the exact thread they wanted all feedback in (like the first example), then they had better do that to the threads on topic and out of place that are not criticizing as well (like all the counter examples). You can't just pick and choose when to apply rules. Rules are rules, even more so for the ones that make them. OOO's behavior is exactly the same type of behavior that makes Americans sick of their legislature.
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@Rete:
I would argue that while they can interpret them to an extent, they cannot interpret them one way in order to close certain threads (i.e. first example) and fail to use the same interpretation on countless others. While he certainly could've been less blunt about his opinions, they were all related to the test content. So perhaps if they had simply edited the heck out of his thread or locked it for not being testing appropriate, then I wouldn't have as big a problem with it. But in the actual test forum thread, she said it had to be posted in their everything else thread, which changes things imo.
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@Little:
Granted, but can you really justify locking threads that don't actually or necessarily break rules simply for convience? I think that double standards are something that should be talked about, simply so a company can confirm whether they want to be one that communicates openly with their community (like OOO seems to claim to be) or one like Perfect World Entertainment, where the community team for their games like Blacklight Retribution can't even get in contact with the publisher or dev teams and hackers run free .
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@rete v2:
Since I'm not sure Luguiru even deserves a response, can you explain what tweeter meant? I'm not quite sure I understand, though I do think all points should be made politely and maturely (as I'm trying to be, sorry if I'm not), and that OOO should have more of his response to criticism than their current one.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 21:56

#14

Thunderbog

hush draggies. i creep in.

"They say ye have no right to save the world from destruction, all ye can do is, watch it burn."

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 16:24

#15

Randomzz

didn't you like quit and stuff?

Oh and just a side note if you think I'm just hating on the game...

I loved this game. I almost failed a semester in college because I was playing this so much. I've blown hundreds of dollars from my part-time job at school on this game. The thing that I don't want is for OOO to end up killing what could have been awesome by blowing off concerns and shutting down any negative voice in the community while making horrible change decisions. I've been here since about two weeks after thee game went public, and I've seen all the "the game is gonna die" changes. RSS is the first I didn't agree with, the ones I can see coming are the first that actually make me want to stop playing. I'll never quit, but I don't want to attach myself to something with cancer.

Edit:
Edited because the conversation, while meant to be talking about loyal players being hurt by OOO's stubbornness, could be construed as talking about unreleased content.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 22:11

#16

Retequizzle

@Rete: I would argue that

@Rete:
I would argue that while they can interpret them to an extent, they cannot interpret them one way in order to close certain threads (i.e. first example) and fail to use the same interpretation on countless others. While he certainly could've been less blunt about his opinions, they were all related to the test content. So perhaps if they had simply edited the heck out of his thread or locked it for not being testing appropriate, then I wouldn't have as big a problem with it. But in the actual test forum thread, she said it had to be posted in their everything else thread, which changes things imo.

How is locking a thread wrong but editing the content of what someone is saying and risk editing out the main points any more correct? In either case, you can't win - choose the former and be accused of stifling complaints and sweeping negative criticism under the rug, or choose the latter, and be accused of stifling compliments and sweeping negative criticism under the rug.

Also, you're operating under the mindset that forums moderate content based off of precedent, when in most incidences it can be assumed that it's on a purely case-by-case basis. Rarely does community management come with a checklist you can use as a blanket for locking threads and dealing with members.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 22:26

#17

Randomzz

In that specific instance, by editing it I meant remove the parts where it's just talking about moneygrabs but leaving all the valid reasons why the changes are bad (ie team mechanics). But I do see your point for in general.

But I'm not looking at precedent, I'm looking at 8+ identical threads that all are on the same topics where 1 was critical and the others weren't, and only the critical one got called out as being "out of place" (in the appropriate forum section mind you). As for general forum moderation, yes, but to lock a thread you still have to have a valid reason. While you don't need a checklist, you do have to have a reason that has been given to players that has been violated. If there is no violation of the basic ToS or forum rules, you can't even "open a case" against whether the thread should be locked in the first place

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 22:28

#18

Thunderbog

trust me i won't appear virtually or really in front of ye

If there were one person who can prove himself worthy for a unique change that resurrects the community, that person was caught within the quiet eyes of the lords who will torment him sooner or later, using him as a sacrifice for the sake of this game & the community.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 22:48

#19

Retequizzle

Perhaps "out of place" was a

Perhaps "out of place" was a misnomer for the behavior/tone wasn't conducive to the environment, not necessarily the topic matter itself being out of place. I'll be honest, I haven't clicked all of the links, just one or two, if only because I'm trying to avoid spoilers for whatever they're testing.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 23:04

#20

Randomzz

I read it, given the wording that it was to be kept in the appropriate thread (being in the test forum), that she meant in the two specified by Eury. Now granted I don't care for the tone and it sounds like it was written by a 10th grader, but that isn't what love god there gave us to work with.

But to be honest, I now feel I might have been a little harsh with Cronus. He had been having to deal with a lot of "spoiler" threads, so maybe he just jumped the gun a little or preemptively struck. I still don't agree, but I'll give him that much.

Also, since this is probably my last post for the night, if you want a silly pick me up this has been stuck in my head for some odd reason: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE-1RPDqJAY

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 00:09

#21

Xtweeterx

@Luguiru

You're not fooling anyone... >:3

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 00:49

#22

Gravelord-Caste

That wonderful Smile is gone for Eternity

Didn't this all start with Nick's thread, and Three Rings breaking their own rule?

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 01:18

#23

Mzculet

Don't worry guys!

Aw..The Developers and Game masters DO care. <3

http://i.imgur.com/8sKbjet.jpg

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 03:45

#24

Iamnoone

The only ones who truly care are in my guild or the guilds my guild has befriended and started.

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 07:56

#25

Redblades

they know I'm right, they knoq theyre wrong. they don't care and throw ALL my threads iny
to the graveyard. cause I'm f2p.... why create a f2p game if you don't care bout f2p players? sure I don't throw money into your pockets, but f2p players contribute a lot to the community. sigh, posting is useless. since I posted here, they're gonna lock the thread. or ban me for speaking again.. I lost all hope for this game....

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 08:21

#26

Grittle

@Redblades I think your

@Redblades

I think your overreacting. Plenty of Paying players got banned too, I do remember a person who spent 400 dollars in this game got banned a few years back. So stop acting all Emo and take it like a man, like me

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 09:37

#27

Hexzyle

@Waffleconecake

Oh, hi hex. Just felt like clearing up that no, that one post was not sarcasm I really am glad you are on the forums :).

Oh... thanks a lot. O///O That was on my mind for a while (really wanted to know what you meant but it seemed a bit egotistical to ask again)

@Randomzz

I might not have been on in the internet for a long time (only roughly 2 and a half years) but during that period of time I've spent more time on forums and wikis than I have spent sleeping and working combined
It doesn't matter what you think the ulterior motive of a thread being locked is for, for the better interest in forum organization, it is better to keep appropriate threads in the right subsections, specific discussion on the one designated thread, and inappropriate posts off the forums completely.

That thread had absolutely no unreleased content talked about and yet Cronus locked it for "posting threads in the wrong place"

Threads that discuss patches, even if it doesn't actually "spoil" any content, are unneeded. All they do is create a place to spread misinformation amongst people who have never been on the Test Server, and cause unnecessary unrest around the community. They were discussing their feelings towards the upcoming Test Server content, which is, essentially, giving "feedback". If you're not playing on the Test Server, have no access to un-altered information, and have no "feedback" to give (which there is a designated forum section for) then you have no need to be "discussing" what you think may or may not occur. As a wiki veteran, I'm not particularly fond of speculation. Especially so when it's spammed all over the General Discussion like a dogs dinner.
This point has been made before, in several locations.

But if they're going to lock the criticizing threads that are on topic to the subforum that happen not to be in the exact thread they wanted all feedback in (like the first example)

As I implied in my previous comment, (Nope. The developers and GMs just deemed those threads useless and/or nonsensical, and therefore they would serve no purpose in the designated threads except taking up space and increasing read times.) the reason why they locked those threads is because they had valued feedback in them, and they wished the useful feedback to be in a place where the developers could easily read it.

then they had better do that to the threads on topic and out of place that are not criticizing as well (like all the counter examples)

Refer to previous quote.

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 12:56

#28

Randomzz

Again.

[No personal attacks please.]

Your whole second paragraph doesn't apply. Mawa's thread doesn't talk about the patch, it doesn't talk about the content, it doesn't talk about the actual poster's feelings towards the patch, it really doesn't even talk about the test server at all except for waffle's post. All of the posts are either some variant of "wow the community is throwing a fit" or are about OOO locking a ton of threads.

And you're really not getting the point. The third example actually did have valid feedback, just like all the ones they left open. [No personal attacks please.] Besides the fact that by very definition Aphrodite's post declared it be valid testing feedback . Yeah he went on some tangents, but you can't just go ignoring and dismissing as "senseless" all people saying hey you're doing it wrong just because you don't like their tone. But it was still valid, unlike Redblade's why??????? thread where she gave very different reasons for locking, because it was solely for griping. So either you play by the rules with everyone, or you don't play at all.

Edit:
I forgot about the thread Redblades had that actually was feedback so I had to change "thread" to "why????? thread"

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 11:29

#29

Wodanct

What I found awesome was how if we said anything hinting at the test server we got threatened with thread locks because we didn't discuss it there. Then we aren't allowed to discuss it there anyway because we didn't pay Three Rings so we could test their work.

Am I missing something here? Or is playing other games that are more enjoyable just making me see things that certain GMs have said wrong?

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 12:06

#30

Redblades

inb4 I log on and I'm banned for the 4037393th time

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 13:25

#31

Hexzyle

@Randomzz

Recreating a thread that is locked or graveyarded is against the forum rules.

If 15 people made a series of threads regarding any same topic, they'd all be locked. It doesn't just apply to this situation. The vast amount of threads regarding complaining about the patch, complaining about locked threads, and complaining about complaining are seen by many as spam. Mawashimono's thread was locked because it was a duplicate of previous threads. They might not have brought it up in the OP, but the commenters in the thread directed it to that topic.
Remember it's not always the OPs fault that a thread gets locked. Actually, I'd rather the GMs be lock happy than to be lock shy. A mislocked thread can be recreated and improved. An unlocked abomination will always run the risk of necros and snowball whining.

Dreathuxy's Collector thread was not strictly related to the mentioned topics of either of Eurydice's feedback threads. Hence why it wasn't locked. Don't go calling me blind when you can't read between the lines.
Additionally, it had additional information making it into a suggestion. As there is no subforum for suggestions in the Testing Feedback forum, suggestions remain there until the content is released, at which point they are moved over to the Suggestions Forum. This is exactly how things went down with the last update.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:53

#32

Randomzz

I don't know why I even try talking with some people

It didn't get directed there. The whole conversation was about locking and the reasons why. I've actually take time and read all the threads from that period, you clearly skimmed at best and formed a judgement in your mind as to the contents. That thread was completely different. It also can't be recreating when all of the threads were directly about the test server and that wasn't; not to mention while that rule can be applied to multiple individuals (which it never is, how many dual wield threads will we get?), it is directed at a single individual. What was that about reading between the lines?

As for the one example you bothered to read, what part of "Things that are not battle sprites" is exactly hard to understand? It's pretty bloody broad, and the collector thread definitely applies there. It having a suggestion is meaningless since virtually all feedback posts should have a suggestion to fix anything "wrong" with it. Otherwise what's the point of posting hurr hurr this is broken, this suck, OOO YOU WHACK, etc.

Seriously, this whole thread (it seems) all you've read is what you want to see and not what is actually in the posts. But hey, at least you have sentence structure and spelling down, unlike some people complaining about me indirectly

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 15:07

#33

Gravelord-Caste

That wonderful Smile is gone for Eternity

Far as I'm concerned, it's probably just better to stay silent and assume the worst than bother saying so much as "Battle". At least you'll keep your tongues.

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 16:27

#34

Randomzz

@ grave

Just a reminder this thread isn't about current or future gameplay elements but OOO's reaction to community response. Not that it makes much difference as they'll ignore anything not praising them, but it simply is horrible business practice.

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 19:34

#35

Hexzyle

@Randomzz

The whole conversation was about locking and the reasons why

Which has already been complained about multiple times. The fact that Mawashimono was acting victimized in the case made it a bigger deal than it should have been. Cronus answered the question that was being discussed in the thread, and locked it because no more wild speculation was required since he'd already given the answer. It's that simple. I wish more threads met their end like that.

(which it never is, how many dual wield threads will we get?)

Since sifting through dual wield threads is not crucial to the success of Three Ring's next update, they don't spend a lot of effort to organize them.

what part of "Things that are not battle sprites" is exactly hard to understand? It's pretty bloody broad, and the collector thread definitely applies there

When getting nitpicky, a title means little when detail is elaborated on inside the thread. The description of the contents for the thread was new items, loot distribution, difficulty modes, equipment limits, etc.. Note that all four of these examples are referring to mechanics changes in the game: no mention of the new missions was outlined here. Since "etc" is very vague, and the new missions, monsters, and level elements could fall into either thread's "title" criteria, it could be placed in either, or neither of the threads. Combine that with the fact that there was a suggestion for adding additional content in the thread, which made the thread viable for transfer to the Suggestions subforum once the patch was live. This all may have contributed to the decision to leave the thread unlocked.

It having a suggestion is meaningless since virtually all feedback posts should have a suggestion to fix anything "wrong" with it

In a general sense they both fall into the same category, but there's a difference between feedback to fix bugs/issues/balance, and suggestions to add interesting or elaborate new content or mechanics that the developers may not have considered.

I would say things about why you continually somehow lack understanding of the English language in this thread, but then I could risk get this locked for personal attacks, so I won't

A little offtopic, but I noticed you using this subject structure to attempt to mask an insult with the good deed of not insulting. You can't post insults and be noble in the same sentence, they're polar opposites. It's like telling people "I really hate you and want to punch you in the face, but I'm going to pretend to be nice to you because I'm a good person." If you want to insult me, say it straight. I know sometimes I babble rubbish or say things far too bluntly, and I know not everyone is fond of me. (especially when I get a lil grumpy and do the dance of a ranter)

But seriously, this whole thread all you've read is what you want to see and not what is actually in the posts, so until you can bother to actually READ what's written please just stop

I respond to what I can and with what I know or can infer. If there's a point I don't think I have an at least semi-accurate response to, I generally won't reply to it. Don't take this as me picking on certain parts of your point. If you feel I've said something that doesn't make any sense, or isn't related to the point you're trying to get across, you're not obliged to reply to it. I don't think you're "wrong", but moreso, we don't get eachother's point of view. That's pretty natural, especially since judging by the way you write, our thought patterns don't seem to be that compatible. I hope we don't clash too much like this in the future.

Sorry about any of the previous sentence structures aimed at you that seemed offensive. I have a bad habit of testing a person's boundaries by pushing them.

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 20:25

#36

Xtweeterx

And now comes the posts of

And now comes the posts of everyone arguing and replying.

/popcorn and 3d glasses

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:48

#37

Randomzz

lol xtweet

I'm actually trying to avoid that, since that would likely lead to this getting locked.

@Hex
Well it's too late to give a proper reply, but I'll start with this:

Actually that thread was extremely different from the other threads. No other thread had that purpose without being hyper wahhhhhhhh or conspiracy theory 101. Cronus also specifically said the reason was for talking about test server changes which never happened . Not thread duplication. SO if the GM's aren't using that reason it can't really be part of the discussion.

As for the "veiled attempt" to insult you, I really wasn't trying to.

Tue, 07/09/2013 - 00:31

#38

Gravelord-Caste

/reply Randomzz

Just a reminder this thread isn't about current or future gameplay elements but OOO's reaction to community response

I know. I also know that the censorship thread was locked, despite it being about Three Rings and only refers to the reasons why the other threads were locked, which appeared to be enough reason for it to be locked itself.

To be honest, I can see nothing good from talking about the update in any capacity before it goes live: people make threads, the GMs see them, and lock them with a reason related to the test server. I don't want to cause an argument, I'm just saying.

Tue, 07/09/2013 - 00:54

#39

Hexzyle

@Randomzz

Cronus also specifically said the reason was for talking about test server changes which never happened . Not thread duplication. SO if the GM's aren't using that reason it can't really be part of the discussion.

Maybe it was a mislock then? GMs make mistakes too.

Tue, 07/09/2013 - 06:42

#40

Redblades

/yawn
I'm contri

any gm wanna explain why they lock threads and throw them to the graveyard instead of just moving them to the testing feedback forum? if not I'll be playing LoL. but I'll never leave this game. this game needs somebody like me who sparks hate within the community. (;

Tue, 07/09/2013 - 06:50

#41

Thunderbog

they see me like any other people but i am but a mere weredragon

@Redblades

I have, a spare shelter, for hibernation purposes, if ye are willing to do it.

Ye are welcomely invited, but please do not disturb the sleeping ones whom may devour one of yer kinds.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 13:40

#42

Randomzz

yay finally

Tuesday I spent 10 hours flying or in an airport, to be followed by a day of driving. So anyways...

@Hex post #35 (besides what I got to in post #37)
For the paragraphs about the other threads/feedback vs suggestion: I can see your point. The locked thread, I will give you, was mostly feedback in your sense of the definition than suggestion and the others the reverse. It doesn't make me any more accepting or agreeable that it got locked, but I'll take your point.

For the paragraph about how you reply: but moreso, we don't get eachother's point of view. That's pretty natural, especially since judging by the way you write, our thought patterns don't seem to be that compatible. I hope we don't clash too much like this in the future.

I actually couldn't agree more. It's not like we're calling each other stupid in our past posts, just that we can't see how the other can't see our view. Or at the very least substitute I/my in there if it isn't mutual. I actually do very much agree with the last sentence, believe it or not. I don't deny you care about the game and community, just in different ways and views than I.

@Grave post #38
I know. I was just saying as well. I'd like to give little if no excuse to get this all locked.

@Hex post #39
I had actually conceded that point back in post #20 haha:
But to be honest, I now feel I might have been a little harsh with Cronus. He had been having to deal with a lot of "spoiler" threads, so maybe he just jumped the gun a little or preemptively struck. I still don't agree, but I'll give him that much.

@Boggie
I'll come as long as you don't have any rabbits you can only kill with a blessed hand grenade from Antioch. I think that one already got used by some limey

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 09:15

#43

Shamanalah

my 2 cents

Y'all just a bunch of sissies... really

They lock thread that need to be locked. If you had been on Diablo III forum you would know how harsh a company can be on the banhammer and Thread locking, I have been banned just for saying

"If I could meet Jay Wilson I would ask him: Didn't you had a lvl 90 necro on diablo II? What were you smoking man?"

Just for that. Just because I spoke badly of Jay Wilson I got banned. (was my 3rd offence, PERMA BAN, cannot ever say anything on the forum of Diablo III)

If you ever moderated a forum you would know better. You would know some people need to be shut down and I find OOO quite kind to tolerate such bad behavior from the community.

OOO is by no mean the best company there is, but they do care and they are kind. Trust me

They do ban P2P player, I know one guy who keeps getting ban because he insult F2P...

And seriously I always wonder: Why the **** do people leave feedback when they don't even test the god **** server? sorry for the swearing but really, if you did not test it, don't leave a shallow feedback of your glaring... it's useless and biaised and can only hurt the outcome of the final patch.

While some of us who tested it may come with a better solution than you, you don't know. I hate that people cannot even put a Thread in the good section, it's not rocket science... I mean.. 1+1 = 2 right?

Edit: And now with the changes more people come to the forum and whine about it, not even in a constructive manner, just to punch something and get the frustration out. I can see why a Thread has been locked in a mistake.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:57

#44

Klipik-Forum

@Sham

Way to try and put yourself on the high moral ground. [/sarcasm]

Feedback based on what they have announced can be useful too. Not necessarily in the same way, but it's not completely useless. I understand if they locked threads that were not constructive and essentially pointless rants, but some potentially useful criticism got locked as well.

As for the changes (7/11), I don't see anything new to like or dislike, from the changelog. I can't say anything about the character pane, as no one outside of the server has seen it yet.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 17:11

#45

Fehzor

Lol at the edit:

"Ooos I accidentally acknowledged an opinion that I didn't like."

...So I censored it away, OOO style.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 17:55

#46

Xxpapaya

The papaya yawns

Ok, first forum post after like....what? Anybody know when was the last time I posted? No? Ok...
Anyways...
I'm just gonna quote what Fehzor said :)

"I would be afraid of criticism too if you guys came at me like that."

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 20:00

#47

Notgreatpig

Well then.......

Everyone doesn't like critism, it's natural for human's, according to my studies as a pig, but anyways, one of the reasons for this is because the "I hate change" threads have been going on for too long, too many threads were made discussing Battle Sprites, and we don't need suggestions in the general discussions, and OOO can't watch everything, I don't know. It's easy to tell you're just stating the obvious.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:55

#48

Randomzz

@Sham
"And now with the changes more people come to the forum and whine about it, not even in a constructive manner, just to punch something and get the frustration out.

Which is exactly what you did. Seriously? You're going to try and justify anything with "but so and so/such and such is worse"? Just because stealing a 2 liter from the store isn't as bad as murder doesn't make it right. I realize OOO isn't the worst, but that doesn't justify jack crap. Besides, the reason I'm talking about it now is because though they have to some degree displayed a total lack of care towards community input, aggressively shutting down critical input is new for them. Ish. Oh, and I have moderated forums before. You ban people based on them actually breaking a rule, not because they "could be problematic". You also showed you didn't read anything in here by bringing up the test server, shallow feedback/commentary, and p2p banning which has nothing to do with this thread.

@Fehzor
Actually I agreed with the opinion. The problem was it was purely opinion and had no feedback, and was outside the proper place. So while I liked it, I couldn't use it.

@Papaya
The community has actually reacted far more violently before... This is relatively mild compared to some updates. It's OOO's response that's escalated or I wouldn't have made this in the first place.

@pig
Ummm.... your post has nothing to do with what we've been talking about.... For all intents and purposeses it looks like you only answered the title and not the actual thread. And for the record, if OOO really doesn't want anyone talking about BS outside of the test forums, why do they have Admin-started discussion threads in GenDis about BS?. It makes no sense

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 12:15

#49

Notgreatpig

@Randomzz

I'm just answering your own question, just like everyone else..........if it isn't what we're talking about, maybe you should change the title and questions.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:11

#50

Orangeo

I really dislike the title of

I really dislike the title of this thread. It's wording opinion as fact. Let's say I know a guy named bob who looks like a fat slob. If I want to tell my buddy that I think bobs a fat slob, I should say "Don't you think bobs a fat slob?" not "Why is bob a fat slob?". I don't seriously want to know why he's that way, I just want to proclaim that he is. It's also hillarious to act like game companies are "afraid" of criticism. As if game companies really give a dump about criticism. Plus using the word "afraid" to make OOO feel like they "aren't brave enough" to face criticism is demeaning. It's the same tactic you use to get four year olds to eat vegetables. "You're not afraid of peas, right?". You won't get anywhere talking down to people that way. I came into this thread with an extremely disagreeable attitude just because of the title.

Of course, even though I'll judge a books cover, I won't judge it by its cover alone. Some people will though, so you ought to be more careful when titling your posts. I'm telling you this because the post itself is actually pretty valid. OOO really shouldn't be setting a double standard when locking threads, and the OP shows that they pretty much are. If feedback is angry or outrageous in that sort of sense, they ought to lock it, but if it's just negative it shouldn't be locked. Or rather, it shouldn't be locked when positive feedback in the wrong section isn't.

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