Cirnothebaka, I was being sarcastic.
Why you numbskulls should stop complaining about the forge, and why this update is so great: A Summation
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:34
#52
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:33
#53
@ Cimothebaka you know there
@ Cimothebaka you know there is a mute button? Avoiding the challenge again? I lowered the difficulty, I can't do much more than that lol... I do scream but not at random stranger, I'm not an a-hole.
I scream like a kid on my friends ear to annoy them >.<
Deal or no? Seems like you are a chicken and avoiding the only chance you have at proving me right...
Why do I have no hesitation giving you the challenge and WHY ARE YOU HESITATING TO PROVE ME WRONG?? AND PROVE YOU RIGHT?
Cause you know the answer.... lol
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You haven't even sent me an invite. It's as if everything I do results in everything you want me to do.
I haven't said no. Don't talk to a player who doesn't speak your language.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:34
#54
@Ink
Which was meant to be
@Ink
Which was meant to be vague.
So by proving myself right, I was proving you right?
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:35
#55
@Shamala
If you're going to
@Shamala
If you're going to act all 'the man' about it, why don't you ACTUALLY invite me and see how it goes, hmm?
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:36
#56
my 2 cents
Alors ne parles pas...
You haven't declined nor accepted the request... meaning avoiding is refusing. I asked for a EFSC in 30 minutes, you are burning the minutes down, avoiding said confrontation in hopes that I leave.
I have all night for that EFSC. You in? EFSC in 30 minutes??
Yes
or
No?
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:37
#57
That's implying I've recorded
That's implying I've recorded all the crystals I've got on all my runs before I started recording said information.
Quite the opposite. I'm just questioning the validity of your supposed average because not only is it exceptionally low, your comments also bring into question the sample size for your claim.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:36
#58
No.
You said "Hooray on being able not to think clearly." when I simply said "I can think clearly. You just briefly explained.".
What's next? Are you going to suggest removing something from the game when you simply just wanted it "reworked".
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:37
#59
I'm not avoiding it either!
I'm not avoiding it either! Where are you getting this from?
And if you're going to be frustrated over the fact that I'm decisive, then yes, ffs.
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Quite the opposite. I'm questioning the validity of your supposed average because not only is it exceptionally low, your comments also bring into question the sample size for your claim.
Well, I came back from 2 years of inactivity a few days ago. But you being sooo smart, you figured this out yourself, right?
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:39
#60
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:39
#61
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petition to get cirno to shut the f[orge] up because he can't debate and flings ad humminus attacks errywhur
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:41
#62
Who said I was smart?
Make up your mind.
Do you want it reworked or removed?
@Thimol
Signed.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:41
#63
FINALLY A NEW PERSON
And what
FINALLY A NEW PERSON
And what do you mean, debate? Debating is someone making a statement, then a counter-statement, until a conclusion is brought to. Unfortunately, everyone is quitting midway. Why is this ad humminus?
Oh, and she*
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:42
#64
@Ink
reworked.
The current
@Ink
reworked.
The current system is original, but not ideal. It needs to be rethought.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:42
#65
my 2 cents
I'm not avoiding it either! Where are you getting this from?
And if you're going to be frustrated over the fact that I'm decisive, then yes, ffs.
I'm not forcing you to nor will I go mad if you don't (I have more things to do than prove to a random guy how many fire crystal a EFSC drop, I know it already). I'm asking you to verify your claim in a real life vanaduke to have an average size of Fire Crystal to compare your claims to mine
If you decline that means either
A) you are busy (hence why I asked 30 minutes, I have grocery to pick up)
B) refusing the challenge because you don't want to
C) refusing the challenge because you are afraid of your claims... while I am not
That's why I'm eager for that vana, even if I am wrong it will be nice lol. I don't mind being wrong... if I am that means the grind for heat is actually decent and not obnoxiously easy
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:42
#66
@Thirnol
Signed.
I want to
@Thirnol
Signed.
I want to shut a forge, it's all of them :3
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:43
#67
Exactly, so you did NOT agree with me saying I wanted to remove the forge even though you acted like it was the best idea ever saying you gave a 100/100.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:43
#68
I can't tell if you're actually playing your character name, or really that dense. Yes, the Forge is grindy, but is it a hard stop? You can farm crystals all day, so this game is truly F2P now. I also support increased cosmetic cash shop stuff like the current accessory promo, but that's a different story.
Your numbers are terribly off- I've done dozens of elite FSC runs, both in clockworks and via mission. I have never seen anyone walk away with fewer than 30 Radiant Fire Crystals after a full run. Are you perhaps going up on the elevator after each floor to feed your sprite? It only shows the consecutive levels you have done, so if you rejoin on d26 it won't show your acquisitions from d24 and d25. If that's not the case, perhaps you can post a screenshot of your Report page at the end of FSC? Maybe there's a glitch with the way you are doing FSC. Another issue is if you are downed for a while, loot may not spawn in your instance. Either way, something seems off with your math.
For the most part while leveling a 5* item, you will acquire the crystals you need for leveling it at approximately the same rate it acquires heat- earlier levels on an item require fewer crystals.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:43
#69
I'm not forcing you to nor
I'm not forcing you to nor will I go mad if you don't (I have more things to do than prove to a random guy how many fire crystal a EFSC drop, I know it already). I'm asking you to verify your claim in a real life vanaduke to have an average size of Fire Crystal to compare your claims to mine
If you decline that means either
A) you are busy (hence why I asked 30 minutes, I have grocery to pick up)
B) refusing the challenge because you don't want to
C) refusing the challenge because you are afraid of your claims... while I am not
That's why I'm eager for that vana, even if I am wrong it will be nice lol. I don't mind being wrong... if I am that means the grind for heat is actually decent and not obnoxiously easy
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And all this is rather pointless because I said
(and you even copy pasted it)
Yes.
Does it have to be in your language?
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:46
#70
@thread
I am unofficially declaring Cirnothebaka a troll, due to his inability to compromise, concede, or otherwise acknowledge any information that doesn't prove him right, along with his persistently antagonistic tone.
Stop feeding the troll.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:48
#71
Cirnothebaka, you have a disability that prevents you from reading?
Why didn't you just say so?
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:45
#72
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Oh, and she*
let's leave out the irrelevant details in cheap attempts to make the other party look bad ok
Why is this ad humminus?
you don't into language often, do you
in any case I think we can let the thread sink into the grave
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:46
#73
my 2 cents
On peut le faire en francais si tu le veux... moi sa me derange pas...
J'vois pas c'est quoi le lien par exemple... t'es capable de parler français?
Le jeu est en anglais de ton coter, alors il restera en anglais... et on parle via Teamspeak
Alors ne t'en fais pas, sa va être facile
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:47
#74
@Cirnothebaka
Seriously, can you be quiet? Firstly, actually structure paragraphs instead of putting three words together and then hitting enter over and over. Secondly, stop spamming "The forge is baaad" in every thread. Seriously. Actually make a structured argument before posting it, and even then only when it is appropriate. I hate that the shard bombs were changed, but do I go from thread to thread whining about it? No. Be more mature and only post your spam when it is necessary, and even then not in that quantity and not in that awful spammy "Ill look mature if my post are long but I can't make a paragraph to save my life! Ooh gee, I got an idea, make a ****load of spaces!". It will be way harder for me to answer your "arguments" if you continue doing that. Now, onto your "argument"
Crystals are very common. It is just because you are probably a mission lover. Why are you doing EFSC? It is one of the worse ways to farm crystals. Not just that, but droprates for everything in the arcade is increased much more. Besides this, you are contriving hilariously low amounts of "data" that seems really unfounded. Even while running EFSC, I'll earn 30+ crystals on average. It doesn't take 20000 levels to get crystals. Each level awards me at least 15+ crystals in the arcade on elite. Easily farmable. You have no argument here.
"140 SoL seems legit". I have 129 SoL's, as of now. Guess what? If you are a good player and don't die every few seconds, you get lots of sparks! Who woulda thunk it.
In response to me saying that you should always try the forge at 100%, you answered with a meme. One does not simply blah blah blah. Oh yes, one does simply. You'd be an idiot not to forge anything at anything but 100%. End of story.
In response to me saying that something had to replace the ME/CE system and that developers have to eat, you said:
"Well the developers clearly express no desire to eat or constitute themselves if they're not going to look after their players" and another gem "I know how it works. It's a last moment quickly thought of 5 minute idea to counter the energy removal. I understand that it is evil, but not neccessary.
And it it not rewarding. They have turned something painless and quick into something stressful and frustrating. This is bad game design at it's peak level. A reason why the developers who came up with this should not keep their jobs."
You mean look after you? I don't think that the devs are going to starve anytime soon. Thanks to this update, the spiral knights community has TRIPLED on just steam alone. Yes, that update happens to include the forge. And I don't think you are old enough to understand, so I'll make it nice and simple for you: Three Rings is a COMPANY, and in the end they HAVE to make a profit. They simply can't push a few levers and solve your annoyances with the game. You know, servers cost a lot to upkeep! Developers need to be paid! It costs money to make updates to make the game better! That is why I think people who complain about promos have an unfounded argument. Promos are needed to make money and thusly allow the devs to make the game better.
Also, the droprates for the crystals (as I previously mentioned, please look at above) are perfectly fine and are even generous. I have no problem with finding crystals and neither should you, unless you insist on using the mission system to farm crystals like a n00b. Also, it is totally necessary! What the heck is wrong with you dimwit? Before, it wasn't special when you leveled up, and now it is. And yes, it is rewarding. I've received a forge box, and it contained a lot of goodies. I've also had my weapon skip two levels twice, and also had a damage increase. Totally rewarding, what the heck are you talking about?
I'm just scratching the surface of your idiotic comments, but hopefully this will cover a few of them. I hope you can read through so much material, Cirno. Might be a bit hard for you, but in the end you might learn something :)
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:47
#75
Aaand another newcomer.
Are
Aaand another newcomer.
Are you perhaps going up on the elevator after each floor to feed your sprite?
No.
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Either way, something seems off with your math.
So cute~ that would be true, If I wasn't 22 and in Oxbridge (possibly going to Eaton soon... or however you say it's weird .-.).
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For the most part while leveling a 5* item, you will acquire the crystals you need for leveling it at approximately the same rate it acquires heat- earlier levels on an item require fewer crystals.
Reminding you I do 20%-70% cause I don't focus on one thing at a time.
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Ok, I would like to stop everyone complaining about crystals and drops here.
I came here to resolve an argument about things wrong with the game. If I have this problem with the drops that shouldn't even exist (as you keep saying) then that's a problem with the game! Do we all agree on this?
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:48
#76
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due to his inability to compromise,
hey it's just like my religious functions!
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:53
#77
I came here to resolve an argument about things wrong with the game.
...because saying senseless things that provoke more argumentation is trying to resolve an argument. Right?
Is this the end of your "resolution" to the argument? If it is, that means we slayed the beast.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:53
#78
Crystals are very common. It
Crystals are very common. It is just because you are probably a mission lover.
Nope.
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Why are you doing EFSC? It is one of the worse ways to farm crystals.
I'm not doing it to farm crystals for myself, I'm doing it to show people I have a bad drop rate.
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Not just that, but droprates for everything in the arcade is increased much more. Besides this, you are contriving hilariously low amounts of "data" that seems really unfounded.
Another non-believer of the bad luck syndrome.
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Even while running EFSC, I'll earn 30+ crystals on average. It doesn't take 20000 levels to get crystals. Each level awards me at least 15+ crystals in the arcade on elite. Easily farmable. You have no argument here.
Yes I do, because you say so. JK i can't come up with counter for this. This is probably me alone.
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"140 SoL seems legit". I have 129 SoL's, as of now. Guess what? If you are a good player and don't die every few seconds, you get lots of sparks! Who woulda thunk it.
I don't die every few seconds. Drop rate is bad for me, and guess what? when i said team mates end up killing me, that ends up taking SoLs! who knew?
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You'd be an idiot not to forge anything at anything but 100%.
You mean someone not focusing on leveling just one thing?
Which is just about everyone.
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You mean look after you? I don't think that the devs are going to starve anytime soon. Thanks to this update, the spiral knights community has TRIPLED on just steam alone. Yes, that update happens to include the forge. And I don't think you are old enough to understand, so I'll make it nice and simple for you: Three Rings is a COMPANY, and in the end they HAVE to make a profit. They simply can't push a few levers and solve your annoyances with the game. You know, servers cost a lot to upkeep! Developers need to be paid! It costs money to make updates to make the game better! That is why I think people who complain about promos have an unfounded argument. Promos are needed to make money and thusly allow the devs to make the game better.
I know that. But the point you made was about them making money. The point I made in return is that players will eventually realise the problem and leave if this continues, therefore going along your lines of making money.
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Also, the droprates for the crystals (as I previously mentioned, please look at above) are perfectly fine and are even generous. I have no problem with finding crystals and neither should you, unless you insist on using the mission system to farm crystals like a n00b. Also, it is totally necessary! What the heck is wrong with you dimwit? Before, it wasn't special when you leveled up, and now it is. And yes, it is rewarding. I've received a forge box, and it contained a lot of goodies. I've also had my weapon skip two levels twice, and also had a damage increase. Totally rewarding, what the heck are you talking about?
Referto third statement.
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I'm just scratching the surface of your idiotic comments, but hopefully this will cover a few of them. I hope you can read through so much material, Cirno. Might be a bit hard for you, but in the end you might learn something :)
Yes I did. You can't read.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:54
#79
That guy still hasn't sent me
That guy still hasn't sent me an invite. I think i'm gonna go to sleep, it's like nearly 1 in the morning here.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:54
#80
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Crystals are very common. It is just because you are probably a mission lover.
Nope.
yep
as in they are common
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:55
#81
...because saying senseless
...because saying senseless things that provoke more argumentation is trying to resolve an argument. Right?
Is this the end of your "resolution" to the argument? If it is, that means we slayed the beast.
that's called a debate, honey.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:59
#82
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dammit learn to quote you delinquent
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 16:58
#83
Telling me that I'm unintelligent for explaining how brief your agreement to my additions is not debating.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 17:00
#84
Anyone else getting the
Anyone else getting the feeling that Cirno is like 10? he keeps calling us kids...seems like a weird insult to use over and over again. considering he has absolutely no idea how old any of us are.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 17:01
#85
Ndogine-Forums: 6*
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 17:01
#86
pfffff i give up. OOO are
pfffff i give up. OOO are gonna make a profit cause you guys are too stupid to see otherwise.
YOU SEE THAT? I GIVE IN.
SHAMA.
PRACTICE
WHAT
YOU
PREACH.
*exits thread*
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 17:03
#87
We slayed the stubborn beast who has no idea how to properly explain and doesn't know what a debate is!
CHEERS!
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 17:04
#88
my 2 cents
The challenge will be streamed on Twitch for anyone to see (no you shouldn't hear me nor see me)
And the way he still avoid me
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 17:05
#89
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*exits thread*
you won't be missed. and try not to come back, we'll be okay without you
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 17:09
#91
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Either way, something
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Either way, something seems off with your math.
So cute~ that would be true, If I wasn't 22 and in Oxbridge (possibly going to Eaton soon... or however you say it's weird .-.).
-HOLY S*** this is GOLD, man... You aren't 22 at all, noob. Something is very, very wrong with your math. Heck, you can't put two and two together, use memes, immaturely posting in every single thread that the forge is "baad". By the way, don't you mean Oxford? Ah god I can't stop laughing, you are such an idiot. Imagine that, a 22 year old enrolling in Oxford, an institution reowned for its academia, and you can't properly put together a paragraph or even spell Oxford correctly!
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 17:18
#92
Hmm
Why is no one else watching this? Sham is streaming and its awesome, Cirno is keep refusing to join because she has to "sleep".
Edit: Oh thats too bad she couldnt join you, I was enjoying that and would have loved to see the rest.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 17:19
#93
my 2 cents
The stream ended in a magical way
lol the way I do D24 w/o a care in the world while talking to him/her
If it does happen tomorrow, there will be a Thread and a link to my Stream lol
And he just got in!!!!
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 17:22
#94
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Oxbridge
the homosexual love child of oxford and cambridge ps I ship them
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 18:03
#95
Even if you're playing Normal
Even if you're playing Normal you get more than 15 on a FSC run. To get less than 10 crystals per run means that the person in question is intentionally avoiding treasure boxes.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 18:05
#96
Probably
He kisses the dirt and waits till everyone kills everything for him then wakes up and "loots" everything, not knowing that if you stay dead for too long you don't get loot.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 18:06
#97
my 2 cents
moment of truth! we coming to the report station!!!!
XD
lots of fire crystal dropped
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 18:07
#98
haha, that will show that sucker
Perhaps it may shut him up for a little while.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 18:08
#99
@Shamanala
It's so weird that I'm watching you type your comments.. I feel like a stalker...
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 18:08
#100
I saw that stream. 57, and
I saw that stream. 57, and everyone else got over 30.
@ Cimothebaka you know there is a mute button? Avoiding the challenge again? I lowered the difficulty, I can't do much more than that lol... I do scream but not at random stranger, I'm not an a-hole.
I scream like a kid on my friends ear to annoy them >.<
Deal or no? Seems like you are a chicken and avoiding the only chance you have at proving me right...
Why do I have no hesitation giving you the challenge and WHY ARE YOU HESITATING TO PROVE ME WRONG?? AND PROVE YOU RIGHT?
Cause you know the answer.... lol
Edit: the funny part is you replying to ink even though I challenged you right before his comment, too eager to take the challenge on huh?