Not anymore really, no.
The meta-game is incredibly static. While I think that it may go too far, I'm looking forward to a certain extent this patch because it'll at least shake up the meta-game that has been stagnant for years.
PSA: Your triple max skolver set is basically worthless (aka the Lockdown science megathread)
Fri, 10/11/2013 - 13:42
#102
@Feyi
Fri, 10/11/2013 - 13:49
#103
@Feyi
I appreciate the offer, but I don't really feel like poking around in LD matches with a bunch of different defence values when I don't even know what I'm looking for. So far, none of my tests have revealed anything that contradicts my model.
I know who Icegill is, and I have no doubt he knows things about LD and its various intricacies, but, and I in no way mean to sound arrogant here, I'm not sure he knows all that I do and he could be smugly hinting at stuff I already discovered and have written about in one of my many topics I have in the wiki editors subforum for all I know.
Fri, 10/11/2013 - 13:59
#104
@Khamsin
The Chaos buff changed LD a lot and it was honestly for better but as Feyi said, let's not derail. That's an entirely different topic.
Fri, 10/11/2013 - 14:08
#105
I gota pipe up when someone
I gota pipe up when someone says Magnus and Chris were a huge force in LD... About the only thing they had were trinket and UV advantage when hardly anyone did. They'd get chewed up with the current set of players. And I agree with Feyi - The chaos AT tactic sure is strong. It's neat fighting people like that on a foreign server where AT is next to nil and out thinking and predicting your opponent becomes the actual game instead of using the built in aimbot and low ping. It'd be a different world if AT would favor those with high ping as opposed to low, but it is what it is.
Anyway...
So I'm gathering that my lucky roll of shadow max on my vog cap would only be valid if I wear say.. Shadowsun for armor?
*Edit: I guess since everyone has a standard of 100 defense, it's legit to wear a cyclops hat and fencer armor for the damage bonus and not suffer all that much from a defense penalty?
Fri, 10/11/2013 - 14:22
#106
@BlueFlood
That's a load of bull. The gear I have in lockdown now is the gear I had in lockdown back in the day, and I still haven't fought any strong as those legends.
Fri, 10/11/2013 - 14:46
#107
Hey whatev. I didn't fight Magnus much, but when fighting Chris even without heart trinkets and any ASI it'd be about 50/50 with me being a gunner. Think what you want.
I still wana know about the defense of the 0 star gear. Totally gona rock it way more often if the 100 defense standard is true.
Fri, 10/11/2013 - 15:33
#108
@Blueflood
You wouldn't lose out on much defence compared to full chaos if you wore cyclops cap and fencing jacket. Wearing those, you'd still have 100 defence to everything.
However, you'd lose out on 8 pips of health and that could screw you over badly.
Fri, 10/11/2013 - 16:54
#109
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its funny cause I've never heard of khamsin, while icegill is still a legend among gvg players.
also, have you ever considered that maybe you got better? my gear isn't much different from before, but now I can rip most people apart with my eyes closed (not being egotistic, just stating a semi sarcastic fact).
I remember a time when nobody had uvs and nobody had HP trunks. exileddread and a few others with uvs started ripping through them purely because of gear advantage. I'm not saying they're bad, but to compare a decked out player from then to one from now is just downright dumb.
-Redblades
Fri, 10/11/2013 - 16:56
#110
Oh boy, the obligatory ego tripping begins. Call me when it's these kids' bedtimes.
Fri, 10/11/2013 - 17:14
#111
^
Lockdown has evolved way too much, and so many new playstyles have been developed. It's like saying, "The T-34 was one of the best tanks back in WWII. I guess it could destroy a T-90 because it was the BEST back then."
Fri, 10/11/2013 - 17:33
#112
Let's not turn this thread
Let's not turn this thread into the usual childish feces flinging that constitutes the rest of this sub-forum. If Icegill and Njthug know things Zeddy doesn't it'll be found out eventually, and if not then all that happens is they look silly for trying to big themselves up. It's hardly a big enough deal to be worth derailing the thread from information vastly more interesting than ego-stroke debate of the week.
As for the gunning update, I would hesitate to make too many predictions right now. What we know from the files is purely what the new weapons look and sound like, not whether we're going to see a universal damage buff, or specific buffs/nerfs, ect, there's still a possibility -however slight- that this update is actually going to achieve some semblance of balance. And even if it is as bad as it looks, at least Tier 1 Lockdown will safely escape almost all the new stuff.
Fri, 10/11/2013 - 20:08
#113
@Jawny
"icegill is still a legend among gvg players."
If he's such a legend, why have I never heard of him? Like, anyone who has played this game since launches knows of Magnus and Chris. I've never heard of this Icegill guy. Argument shot down.
Fri, 10/11/2013 - 18:22
#114
Kindly take your childish mudslinging elsewhere
We don't even know what the armor and helm sets are like yet, maybe there is a sliver of hope.
Fri, 10/11/2013 - 18:31
#115
hush draggies. i creep in.
Ye who seeks worship first find his path within the obstacles.
Personal favorite players shall remain as a fan of whose's and whose's, having yer worshipper compared is no a fan but a corruptant, comparision causes rivalry, rivalry causes arguements, arguements causes hatred, and that beyond, it continues as a vicious cycle.
Some love thine enemy, some a pursuant of attention, some a princess of vanity. *cough*
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The old times fighters were more of a match, gone, left aside generations presently, a clash. Sure made it big right there...
Fri, 10/11/2013 - 19:28
#116
Khamsin, if you yourself state that you don't play LD that much anymore pretty much everything is said.
I'm no shrub when it comes to LD, and Ice is one of the few players out there that get a /bow from me.
This isn't ego-tripping Whim, just respect and honesty.
Unfortunately making a separate thread about the gunner update and LD is against TOS since we're not supposed to know.
I however do feel it will destroy the game without a significant change to gunner mechanics.
@Zeddy: your good right, only offered to help because I'd like clarity in this as much as everyone.
I know some things, from various sources, but a general explanation to all would only be fair. (thanks OOO...)
Fri, 10/11/2013 - 19:43
#117
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@khamsin
This isn't about Chris and magnus vs Icegill
it's about how you think you have the right to call him "nobody" while he's burned in most Ld player's minds
Fri, 10/11/2013 - 19:47
#118
The above looks like ego jerking to me
We can still speculate the possibilities, and record the outcome when it goes live.
Fri, 10/11/2013 - 19:59
#119
@Jawny
"it's about how you think you have the right to call him "nobody" while he's burned in most Ld player's minds"
As far as I know, most LD players are inactive or have quit completely. Maybe burned into the mind of those playing the game two years past its prime, sure. I played the game back in 2011 and I never heard of that guy around back then. That pretty much says enough in my mind.
Zeddy has legit street cred. Magnus and Chris also have legit street cred. So a guys who signed up later 2012/2013 defending this guy and flaming veteran players... sorry, hard to take you seriously.
Fri, 10/11/2013 - 19:59
#120
Talk about stuck in the past..
Fri, 10/11/2013 - 20:11
#121
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"Talk about stuck in the past.."
The past is basically when everything important happened in the game, and when the game was alive with competitive spirit. I'm willing to bet a number of these modern "legends" were around back in the day, they just lurked in the shadows of true legends and waited them out until they quit. There's a reason why the real legends earned their reputation and are known outside the modern LD players circle jerks.
Fri, 10/11/2013 - 20:38
#122
For real? wow..
I signed up after what you deem the important part of this game's history and am therefore irrelevant?
That's just silly man.
If there were even the slightest hint of trolling in your post I'd applaud you for keeping me entertained so long, but you seem dead serious.
Let me be brutally honest with you in that case: where are your legends now?
Done. Dead in the dirt. Six feet under.
Adapt or perish Khamsin.
Fri, 10/11/2013 - 20:39
#123
^
Hahaha, wow.. who is this guy :) Never heard of him before this thread.. and will probably forget him in a few... seconds?
Anyway i tried the Cyclops and Fencer gear with a biohazard and flourish - it was pretty fun! Lower health sure, but def no signifigance in taking damage. Maybe i'll make some other 0* cheap gear to get some status walks :). Stop posting about retired gear advantage players and get back to the topic at hand please.
Fri, 10/11/2013 - 20:42
#124
This Khamsin guy is making me laugh so hard hahahaha!
Fri, 10/11/2013 - 20:58
#125
Can't we go one day without these childish arguments cluttering threads for no reason?
Sat, 10/12/2013 - 00:13
#126
Saw 3-page long thread in Coliseum
Expected Argument about who is better
Wasn't dissapointed
Sat, 10/12/2013 - 00:45
#127
@Troupe:
'Tis the competitive nature of Lockdown, and other competitive games. Who's better and who's the best? A never ending cycle.
@Khamsin:
I don't want to derail the thread more than what it is now, but just one question to you, Khamsin. You're calling Magnus and Chris "legends and hurr hurr legends", can you tell me what did they give to the community to deserve being called "Legends"? In my eyes, all they did in the past is:
1.Defeating hurr hurr Vanaduke in hurr hurr 3 seconds
2.Trash talk each other in haven
3. My guild is better than yours arguments
4. Entertaining forumers here with their nonsense
Just stahp.
Sat, 10/12/2013 - 01:12
#128
I think we all can agree that Contri is best LD player ever and Reto is best gardener ever. Back to the science, what might Zeddy have missed in his (basically confirmed) theories?
Sat, 10/12/2013 - 01:28
#129
"I don't want to derail the thread more than what it is now, but just one question to you, Khamsin. You're calling Magnus and Chris "legends and hurr hurr legends", can you tell me what did they give to the community to deserve being called "Legends"? In my eyes, all they did in the past is:
1.Defeating hurr hurr Vanaduke in hurr hurr 3 seconds
2.Trash talk each other in haven
3. My guild is better than yours arguments
4. Entertaining forumers here with their nonsense"
ty for posting my words. they were no better than any other players were/are.
Sat, 10/12/2013 - 02:47
#130
This is why I usually post my findings in Wiki editors.
Nobody else ever posts there.
Sat, 10/12/2013 - 06:45
#131
@Dragneel
"You're calling Magnus and Chris "legends and hurr hurr legends", can you tell me what did they give to the community to deserve being called "Legends"? "
They were the best players in the game during the period of time the game was most competitive.
I honestly find it kind of lolzy how people trash talk them now... back in the day, nobody would say **** to them because they were the undisputed kings of the game. Guild or Knightmare B-teams beat the A-teams of every other guild in the game. It's easy to talk big now that they're inactive, but nobody stepped up to the plate back in the day.
@Feyi
"I signed up after what you deem the important part of this game's history and am therefore irrelevant?"
Yes. If you quit the game now, and in two years I asked who you were in /2, would anyone remember?
Sat, 10/12/2013 - 07:30
#132
Can you create a separate thread for your blind love for those average skilled big ego players pls?
Also, lots of people including me trashtalked Chris or Magnus even when they were active.
Sat, 10/12/2013 - 08:49
#133
My god. LD is already
My god. LD is already unplayable enough. After the gunner update, a huge chunk of LD players will drop it. Guns like the * * are just *s. Zeddy knows which ones I speak of.
Sat, 10/12/2013 - 08:53
#134
The game's lack of transparency is disturbing.
The game is so ambiguous with all these non-numerical representations of data compared to a game like TF2 where so much is transparent.
These kinds of arguments would be less frequent if OOO had implemented a system to verify players country of origin or an active ping list.
I remember playing chris back in the day and I believe he was the only american in the LD game whereas everyone was spouting some complaints about lag in a european or asian language and he still had the nerve to tell us all how skilled he was and he wasn't trolling. Its probably still the same but I'm not sure of the state of LD as of now because I haven't played in a few months but damn these forums are entertaining.
@ Icegill's post
I think the skolver elemental max problem is to do with some odd system of diminishing progression of the stat bars on each piece of gear.
example: sentenza vs umbra driver. compare the bar discrepancy with the damage difference, the damage doesn't progress linearly. This leads me to the conclusion that there is an algorithm for damage or that the stats are just a meaningless image and the damage is actually independent of the stat bars we see on the screen. Assuming that it is the former then the skolver set with double elemental max will have the elemental defense of an additional vog piece which could sustain a few polaris shots.
Sat, 10/12/2013 - 09:10
#135
@Khamsin Chris was noob. I would like to do 1 vs 1 vs him if he come back some day.
Sat, 10/12/2013 - 09:12
#136
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SHUT UP. THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT CHRIS V. MAGNUS. THEY STOPPED FOR A REASON. WHY CAN'T YOU?
Sat, 10/12/2013 - 09:15
#137
@contri
"@Khamsin Chris was noob. I would like to do 1 vs 1 vs him if he come back some day."
I feel like I should pull out that Darkcub screenshot, lol.
Sat, 10/12/2013 - 09:22
#138
I feel like your dad should have pulled out as well.
OH YEAH, I took this argument to a different level.
THIS. IS. LD!!!!!!! (forums)
Sat, 10/12/2013 - 09:37
#139
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Khamasin was actively playing this game before a large majority of the posters in this thread. I've heard of him, I know him, and I know what he's talking about. He's a "no-name" to people who joined the game after he stopped playing.
As you can see the community has taken a step down in the politeness category from when you and I took our first steps on this game. xD
Sat, 10/12/2013 - 10:15
#140
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I'm just gonna ignore khamsin since he wont stop sucking off chris.
To icegill, I have a theory that it only helps when you are below a certain % of health, or if the blow WOULD HAVE killed you. I'm gonna test that later.
Sat, 10/12/2013 - 12:10
#141
Yes... I'm gonna ignore
Yes... I'm gonna ignore Khamsin too... And that screenshot was fake.
Sat, 10/12/2013 - 12:26
#142
...And that's why LD is so
...And that's why LD is so much worse these days...people used to decide who good at LD by playing against them...not by talking about how bad they were.
Sat, 10/12/2013 - 12:39
#143
@Arkate
Dat quality post.
Sun, 10/13/2013 - 22:00
#144
Gona derail a little
Gona derail a little bit...
So since the split damage swords deal more damage since they gain a better bonus from Skolver etc, would to old style split pierce/shadow sentenza have benefited much greater from a gun damage bonus? Probably an aged question with no way to find out, but it'd still be neat to know.
Sun, 10/13/2013 - 22:27
#145
@Blueflood
Unfortunately, the damage numbers for the old antiguas never made it to the wiki. I could try to calculate it if you could find how much damage the eagle did at a known level of damage bonus for some depth or another.
Sun, 10/13/2013 - 22:39
#146
I think I deleted all my old videos of myself roaming the clockworks... the quality was pretty bad with my old PC.
But if the same damage bonus does hold for all types of weapons, I wouldnt mind a half elemental/half normal valiance type weapon :) maybe without the knockback for some sort of balance?
JK. In all honesty id rather just have the brandish line nerfed.
Mon, 10/14/2013 - 07:15
#147
@Arkate:
Your argument works in reverse as well.
The people in question don't play anymore.
I can't play them so why should I believe them to be any good?
Here's the picture of Chris's 45k.
Do you see the effing level of holy poop the rest of these guys plain suck?
Most of them capped well but not one of 'em broke 10k damage.
So: imo, the general level of LD back then was way lower than it is today, where multiple people hit around 15k each game,
and everyone and their grandmother has UVs.
I'm not saying they're 'bad', but I am saying they wouldn't stand out half as much in today's metagame.
Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:28
#148
Boom!
@Thread and people still on topic: The reason why I don't disclose the information about LD and gear to you is because Aequitas decided to test it for our own curiosity. I feel that if it's Aequitas who did the work, we share it and keep it amongst us only. If you guys are so curious in the work Zeddy is doing, help him out! The numbers that Zeddy posted have little to no miscalculations, there are specific things that don't work and some things that do. You cannot light a fire under water; you cannot have elemental defense on a skolver (FOR LD ONLY). It has to do with tiers, gear types, UV's. That's all I'm giving you. I know 0 things about the math and formula and stuff. Thrillhaus, Tmdals and a few others took initiative in this study of Lockdown. We found many more things than just gear, we found combinations, tricks in gunning and even the funny swing and shoot thing that people think is a trick (it's just delay/lag).
@Zeddy: We can talk sometime if you wish, just mail me. I don't log on much anymore but I will get back to you if I ever do have the motivation to log on. I agree you might know things I don't know because I truly only listened rather than tested myself. I took the information given to me and I played around with it in Lockdown.
@Redblades: There is only one rule for the low health thing, if you're low and you get hit, you always have 1 health left but I think that's PvE only..
@Feyi: I appreciate you trying to stick up for me but if he's stupid enough to judge other forum users who know 50 times the knowledge he knows, let him be.
@Aus-Lagger: No. I acutally have no idea what you're talking about, it might be true or not. Test it out some more if you haven't already! Ask Zeddy for help if you want.
@Krakob: His formula isn't wrong I don't think.. I just know two real facts of gear that you guys don't know.... HAHAHAHA (kidding, read my @ to people still on topic)
@Khasmin: Dude... slap yourself twice and leave this thread. You are judging me based on nothing but a few words I put down that you didn't even know to be true or not. Just shut up, you're embarrassing yourself. I don't care who you are, how old you are or if you are some OOO designer/producer/betatester. If you insult me, I will insult you back. Don't be a Feller and treat other forum users with respect. I have been in this game since launch week playing PvE with no big reputation. I enjoyed the game for it's PvE and PvE only. When Lockdown was released, I left, coming back 7 months later. If I had stayed, I would have made a bigger name for myself but I only had 3-4 months to make that name that apparently still holds true to me today. Yet still, I know so much about Lockdown that you know nothing about (credit to my wonderful guildmates). You can try and prove me wrong or even challenge me to LD match, I could care less just leave. I played with Chris and Magnus during their leavings. They were not the kings of the game, they weren't even close. They had the PvE thrones if anything but PvP? come on dude. Today, I would absolutely wreck them, hands down. A majority of Lockdown players today, who play competitively, would wreck Chris and Magnus because they didn't have much skill. If you don't know anything about me, don't talk about me, don't talk to me.
@Thunderbog: I agree with this guy!
@Country: Hi
FUN FACT: I hated Lockdown. I still do today. I've always wanted PvE to rise back up and am still checking this site for that.
Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:40
#149
@Icegill
Dat lolzy post. You can't try to take the high road and still try to spit fire at the same time... you just come off as a pretentious idiot. Let your friends do the fighting for you or else don't try to act like you're above getting into an argument, lol.
Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:57
#150
Boom!
@Khasmin: Nevermind. Slap yourself 4 times.
"dat lolzy post" what are you, 5? I'm the idiot? You started a fight on a website of a game because you hated my reputation. Are you stupid!?
Yes I am bad at Lockdown. SorryINub
EDIT: Slap yourself 5 times, one for good luck.
Do you even play LD?
This was in a time where the general level of LD was crap.
I'll probably ruffle some oldtimers' feathers by saying it, but it was.
Also: Ehzo isn't what he used to be. Back with the valiance he was great but know he's just another AT chaos clone.
He knows Ld very well, in terms of tactics and what not but it's not raw skill imo
Let's not derail the thread tho.