Thanks zeddy :)

No.

No.

No.

Who da heck is Khamsin?

A Beast Bell?

HahahahahahahahahaI'mnotfunny.

I found this though. And this.

ran some tests:

vs skolver set both max piercing:

max dmg btb: 239

ultra dmg btb: 226

max dmg gf: 413

ultra dmg gf: 392

max dmg hammer: 377

ultra dmg hammer: 362

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vs skolver one piercing med:

max dmg btb: 290

ultra dmg btb: 277

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vs bkc (shadow high) + ancient:

max dmg btb: 315

MAX DMG DA: 377

MAX DMG GF: 337

max dmg hammer: 377

would be interested to see if a BKC + Anicent Plate with dual shadow max impacts those numbers at all, since i'm sitting on a shadow max ancient set and would like a reason to use it

The chart Zeddy has didn't reflect our results so... No.

Yes. All the information needed is contained within the charts and threads. Let me do an example.

Using this as source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkB_kx1fvrxadHBaUFhGVUdlNWh...

Skolver set w/ double max piercing vs BTB, max DB:
Final Flourish base damage (D25): 332 (as seen in Z4 of Swords in the damage chart)
Applying damage bonus to a base damage value: d * (1 + 0.04b)
d = raw damage
b = bonus (where low = 1, medium = 2, and so on)
332 * (1 + 0.04 * 6) = 332 * 1.24 = 411.68

Next, we go to the Lockdown: Swords chart. Here, I can see that Zeddy had already done the above computation for us. Herpaderp. In fact, we can see that Zeddy's calculations already reflect on your results, although they are off by three units of damage, probably due to rounding errors (as we don't yet know all there is to know about rounding). Either way, let's carry on with the calculation.

Judging by the contents of row 6, we get to know that Skolver has a total of 125 piercing defence. UVs are 6.4 per level where low = level 1, medium = level 2, high = level 3, and max = level 4. Max is thus 25.6 units per UV. Two give us 51.2 Adding that to Skolver's base defence and we get 176.2 defence in total.
Subtract 176.2 from 411.68 and what do we get? 235.48. Yes, that's 3.52 units off. Rounding errors. Otherwise correct.

Now don't say the info isn't there just because it's not handed to ya on a plate ;D

Rounding is the last step. (Base damage -> Weapon Modifier -> Depth Modifier -> Boost modifier -> Armor -> Round Damage Up).
The error is introduced from using estimated raw damage, not rounding.
That being said, the 3.5 units usually don't make much of a difference in T3 PvP.

now i'm no mathematician but based off of conflicting numbers to represent a dual pierce max skolver vs max damage BTB/FF line, the discrepancy in rounding isn't enough to be terribly worrisome:

235.48 / 239 = 0.9852719665271967, or 98.5272%

ironically enough, i did round to the ten-thousandth decimal but for percentages it's usually not a big deal

now, factoring in the dual pierce max alongside of a dual penta trinket setup:

1080 / 235.48 = 4.586376762357737

1080 / 239 = 4.518828451882845

if we round to the nearest ten-thousandth again, the values are 4.5864 and 4.5188 respectively, but since it's impossible to do 4.5864 and 4.5188 hits with game mechanics, they both round up to 5 hits anyway - ergo, the rounding error in this case is not enough to account for any statistical anomaly in reporting damage

in fact, even if the game rounds to 235 for the value:

1080 / 235 = 4.595744680851064

which still rounds up to 5 hits from a flourish, assuming absolutely no other damage from an outside source is taken

realistically, the only place where this rounding error would be held accountable enough to make a difference is determining whether getting hit by a firepot or water orb in maps that have them will kill you or not, or determining viability of a T1 gun with asi on it as opposed to getting a 5* version of similar functionality (zapper vs valiance, for example) - both of which are incredibly unlikely scenarios to run into; you could also argue that the 20 hit point difference (235 * 5 vs 239 * 5) would be a factor in determining how many sentenza/AP shots you can take after receiving four flourish hits, which in any case would be one, even from a completely unboosted set (at least if the testing sconesy and i did has any merit, but she has the numbers for them so i don't know them off the top of my head unfortunately. sorry!)

now i'll reiterate again - i'm no mathematician, so feel free to doublecheck the work if you want, but unless you're running statistics on something like public health, where accuracy really is important in terms of reporting numbers, i think a value being off by roughly 2% in either direction is enough to say the numbers are consistent regardless of whether you round excessively or not

don't be dumb, each max is a max dmg hit, uv what u want

You'll only need 9 points of resistance to be immune to moderate shock.

Hillbilly language: Shock UV low + max + max is enough for storm and polaris to not shock you.

What about Voltedge charges?

Not that it might matter as you'll get one-shotted by Chaos chargers.

"Strong shock is irresistible."
At least Voltedge chargers are rare. Right? Right?
*cue voltedge charger*
Moonstone-Shades facepalms.

+7 (Max+High)
Using a full Mercurial/Mercurial Demo set makes you VT immune.

I like Mercurial. So, if I go VT bombing, I'll most likely use Mercurial or Mecurial Demo as my bombing armor so I can nullify shock while giving everyone else the zap.

I know, right? Next time they think they have good defense, throw them this thread and prove 'em wrong.

In related news, if you can't see the exact setup you're interested in knowing about on the charts, go ahead and ask and I'm fairly confident I can give a relatively accurate answer (let's say within 10 damage points?)

State your armour, UVs, what weapon you're trying to defend against, or how many hits you need to take etc.

The only thing you benefit from mixing Snarby and Skolver is Shivermist immunity, your damage bonus boost, and Normal Defense. The mix of Shadow and Piercing Defense is below the threshold. You're pretty much walking in wet toilet paper.

No, it's not. I believe this question has been answered multiple times in the thread, so I suggest you re-read the original post and other posts, some which will ask the same question as you have. I also recommend reading about Defence on the wiki. This article is a tad outdated, but it will still give you a fundamental understanding of the concept, hopefully.