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A list of all complaints we've been seeing + a few other negative forum-things.

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Thu, 12/05/2013 - 16:28
Xtweeterx's picture
Xtweeterx

As I have been a forummer for 44 weeks and 4 days (wow triple 4), I've seen some good, bad, and of course ugly things on the forums. And I've been meaning to make this for quite a while.

Ranging from go as a pack of rabid, hungry wolvers at OOO for lack of updates and content, to more concealed things, These are listed in no particular order, and I think there are some things that could be done in order to make the forums a more friendly place.

The black bullets are the title(s) of the complaint(s) and the hallow ones are descriptions/solutions about them.

Keep in mind that these can also apply in-game as well.

• People that complain about new content

◦ As I've said here, as long as I know for a fact there's new content coming in the future (new missions and boss, gunner update, etc), I'm fine with staying for it to happen. You CAN send suggestions for the Suggestions subforum, or post ideas in the stickied threads.

• Jokes only work to an extent [2] (sorry for the slight hypocrisy)

◦ but if I want something answered, I want a direct answer that's 100% true. This isn't anything bad, but I'd rather use jokes in Gremlin Chatter

• People that are appalled that another one is "uncultured" of celebrities or other famous people

◦ As seen in the hyperlink, This is somewhat offensive. While I just internally facepalm at the hostility of someone who does this, I would like these to stop as it would make others think the forums are more bad than they should be (keep in mind I don't the the forums are ALL bad, just some people are utterly hostile like this). There was also a thread with a post of me asking who Bob Marley is, but I'm too lazy to find it now. Sorry. Which, hostility brings me to the next thing:

• People that criticize one's choices, or how they play the game despite it being an experimental question

◦ This is stupidity at it's finest. I make a thread about an idea I got from a Punch Roll while explaining some of the things I did prior and after, and the posters here start spewing this crap. This needs to stop. While I do feel appalled to see someone using the swiftstrike thingy (no offense, despite it not being related here or there), this DOES NOT EVER mean I tell them how to play their game, or blame them for using it. The only time I would is when I see someone bring unfitting gear into a level (Polaris in Ghosts in the Machine, Voltaic Tempest in an electric jelly arena, etc). As I've said before, If I want something answered I want A DIRECT ANSWER, even if it hasn't been 100% proven true or false, we can still use the scientific method to figure it out. (Observation = the UVs I got, Hypothesis = the idea of use-based UVs, Experimentation = Getting more UVs after different levels, Conclusion = Getting the use-based UVs = Sharing the experiment with others = the thread).

• People who force their opinions onto others as if they are truth [2] Scroll down the threads.

◦ If you think this thread is me forcing my opinion of the forums onto you, then I swear you need to see a doctor. Anyway,

There's a prime difference between vocally stating your opinion (i.e: me about swiftstrike thingy users) and hearing responses, and trying to getting through someone's skull as if it were truth. Again, this isn't entirely bad, but it can be if you're really critical about it. Just remember the fine line between vocally stating and forcing. Here's an example:

Xtweeterx: Nah, I don't wanna use a swiftstrike thingy. Not my thing and I think it's a bit dull.

Swiftstrike-User: That's fine man. You also come through with your Leviathan Blade. Even if I might think it's bad myself. No offense.

But there's a THIRD thing about opinions: Criticism. Here's an example of negative:

Xtweeterx: UFSC sucks! 2hard4me e.o

UFSCer: Lol you only say that because you die a lot and don't try, you big baby.

Here's an example of constructive/positive:

Xtweeterx: UFSC sucks! 2hard4me e.o

SL-Expert: That Azure Guardian set isn't going to get you anywhere fast. Try bringing in the Divine set since it protects shadow, elemental, fire, and curse.

Xtweeterx: Oh, I never thought of that. I'll try it. Thanks!

See? Just remember the lines between vocally stating, forcing, and negative/positive criticism. This can also apply for other things. But I don't want to side-track you all.

• "Trolls"

◦ These guys are still here to this very day. I'm not going to name, but I'm going to say 3 of them have a Frozen Shambler picture, plain-color Love Puppy picture, and a robot-cube picutre.

As on threads like this, not all of us share the same viewpoints. Trying to belittle OPs and others by using the "hypocrisy" weapon or "this is completely useless" weapon. While these MIGHT be considered personal attacks. I don't know if they're actually reportable hence "might" in em tags. I've no other words. Just look out, okay?

Well would you look at that, we just about finished the list of uncommon problems on both the forums and in other games/places where they might apply. Now let's tackle what we've been recently seeing:

• The forge/Radiant crystals.

◦ This is something a bit simple. Ever since the shiningfirecrystalacolypse, it's now easier to FSC forge a 4* thing, but it's also sunk the Radiants A LOT. Unless you have like 9,000+ Radiants, Do not forge 5* things.

As of the forge itself, it's to keep everyone from playing 24/7 much like when we had Mist Energies. The only reason why you keep failing is because you're not putting in max crystals.

• 2unbalanced4me. No evidential hyperlink since these are found pretty much everywhere to the point where they're not auto-graveyarded for repeating. Same goes for a few others listed here.

◦ /sigh. Brain cancer.

The weapons and armors are good as they already are. I'm sorry, but not everyone shares the same viewpoint as you (see opinions).

• LockDown is too toxic

◦ Again, this is also everywhere, and I agree with it. One of the ONLY WAYS we can make LD or any PvP better is if we all be good sports and play the game nicely. Much like a good game of Highlander on TF2. But do I see people doing this? No. So YOU THERE, Mr/Ms Skolver with a Divine Avenger/Gran Faust/Warmaster Hammer/Final Flourish/Polaris/Shivermist Buster that always goes striker, man up for once in your life, please?

• "Lag"

◦ The reason why I put this in quotes is because I somewhat think of it as an excuse and I don't lag at all (no offense).

From my perspective, lag is split into 2 definitions:

1) Is your internet good? Don't always believe what your bars tell you.

2) Do you have a good processor or graphics card? Because you could be at a loss of frames and at a point of random freezes.

I have not ruled out the fact you could be in like, Europe, or Asia or some place far away from OOO HQ where the servers are run. I once used to use my laptop for SK until I made my PC. So I actually was able to feel your pain for a good moment of time.

• People that blame auto-target for their death in LD.

◦ This was (and still is) a huge controversy for the LD community. Heck, I've seen some threads wanting it REMOVED from the game, and I'm here to explain why that's utterly inane.

Before our lovely Krakob made his experiment, people have been making countless threads in the General Discussion, and The Coliseum about the auto-lock on thingy that helps you aim at monsters or players.

By default, it's automatically on all the time when you first play the game for the first time. This can be manually disabled by going into Options and Controls in a little checkbox (or is it somewhere else in options? I forgot).

You can even set it under Controls to hold down a specific button to turn it on to help you with aim. Be it a sword or a gun. I myself don't use it with swords unless I'm strategically draining a monster's health, and I'll only hold it down to help me aim at something swift with my Callahan. I don't normally use it for swords or guns (depending on the gun, be it my Callahan, Peacemaker/Carbine, or Magma/Storm Driver), but I'll use them if I want or need to. This is an integral part of the game that can be easily manipulated to suit your playstyle, and a crutch for newbies. I mean, what's wrong with having a crutch? How else are you going to learn to ride a bike or get around with a broken leg without a wheelchair?

Well this concludes what we've been seeing on the forums and how we can handle them and make the forums a better place.

You might be thinking "Well, just don't do any of the things you said?" yes, and no.

Making complaint threads is okay, but if it's just dozens of them about the same thing, then no.

Sharing your opinions calmly, maturely, and giving constructive criticism? Yes.

We're all teens and young adults here. Shouldn't we know better than this?

EDIT: Better title added.

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 16:40
#1
Mushy-Bucket's picture
Mushy-Bucket
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So we can't complain about lovely new content like the next 'great' reskin bonanza or the killing of the sun shards or the godifying of the acheron?
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So, you complain about hostilities but don't care if people call Lockdowners 'toxic?'
Interesting.
Not that I really give a crap what people think of us LDers.
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About balance. Something tells me you love the reworked Sunshards and the "very balanced" Acheron.
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Honestly, you pointed out a few great things. Problem is, the forum won't change. Ever.

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 16:38
#2
Zenial's picture
Zenial
~ Signing out, Rali :3 ~

Although the competitive side here in SK is not as jarring as in other games, you are right, Tweeter. People need to start learning to be courteous. Good sportsmanship is something that makes the game environment so much better, and way more fun. I have left many competitive games before because people have lost their temper and gone off at me, or criticized incessantly after losing a game. If I was constantly being insulted by players calling me a noob and telling me I didn't know my sh!%, I would definitely leave that competitive environment. Immediately. When you criticize someone, it's like putting a door in between the two of you. And then shutting it, locking it, barring it in place, and hammering it shut. They get the impression that you are an egotistical jerk with no interest whatsoever in being amiable. Constructive criticism and positive attitudes are needed in LD. A "here's some help" or "here's how to do this" is better than "lol u suck :P"

Complaining is a nature to us, but we don't have to do it all the time. I've been working on this, and everyone else should too. It would help clean the forums a bit :/

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 16:40
#3
Zenial's picture
Zenial
Sorry for the double-post but...

I want to state here and now that I'm not trying to make anyone change their attitudes, at all. It's THEIR attitude, they can do what they want with it. The LDers are what make the LD environment. All I can do is change my attitude, and hope for the best. And if other players want to work towards being better too, that's great. I'd totally be happy about that.

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 16:40
#4
Skayeth's picture
Skayeth
@Zenial

Another truth from Anni:
Complaining is of the human nature. It is like a tidal wave. You can't stop it, except with a dam or a stronger opposing force.

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 16:45
#5
Mushy-Bucket's picture
Mushy-Bucket
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The thing about LD is, you don't have time to tell people how to play it. Your money is on the line and you're trying to make a profit while having fun yourself. Last time I checked tutoring and teaching are not fun jobs. Besides, in a battle you don't tell your opponent how to fight; that's detrimental to your cause. They should have the skills before they start playing a hyper-competitive PvP game anyway.

If it's too rough, there's always T2 and BN.

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 16:45
#6
Skayeth's picture
Skayeth
Not really

Like you said? They should have the skills BEFORE they start the game??? No, Mushy. The skills start after they start the first game.

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 16:48
#7
Mushy-Bucket's picture
Mushy-Bucket
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The skills to get through the first plethora of games to get actual LD skill. The original skill is PvE mastery.
If you don't have decent enough skills to start with, you're going to suck at LD. And then if you can't take a competitive environment due to your sucking, then you quit and then jump on the forums and call us toxic.
Then you have the people that will always suck at it, know that, but call us toxic anyway. Three cheers for them.

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 16:55
#8
Skayeth's picture
Skayeth
ACtually

Mushy, I'm gonna be a gremlin but...... All you need is no lag and a good mouse.

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 17:02
#9
Tenkii's picture
Tenkii
:;

One of your links is broken btw ("People that criticize one's choices, or how they play the game despite it being an experimental question").
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People who get offended or have something to get riled up about are more likely to feel the need to post than people who are indifferent ('default' state) or supportive/happy about something.

I won't comment much about anything but the lockdown stuff:
- I don't see much different between the lockdown community (in-game) and other competitive games. From a competitive standpoint, lesser-skilled players tend to label things as 'cheap' and use words and excuses to downplay their losses or their opponents' victories. Higher-skilled players see things in terms of options and execution. If you lose, you mispredicted or didn't have the execution you needed. The only thing that you should blame the opponents for is for outplaying you. If they hit you, it's because you moved in a way that you were vulnerable, derp.

When I play lockdown though, I for one consider good games to be ones where the score's <100 apart, or in a volatile situation that could go for either team. I can enjoy having to deal with a stronger team than my own, have mid-game frustration and tell everyone in the room that I "hate you all" in an I'll-get-you-back! way. But not everyone is like that. Some people just want to win, and these conflicts of method and interest lead to what you have.

Telling frustrated people to be nice doesn't always work as planned. I used to play Lockdown to vent after frustrating days at work, so people would get the hateful side of me lo0l.

The only thing you can do is change the way you carry yourself and respond to others :x

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 17:06
#10
Mushy-Bucket's picture
Mushy-Bucket
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As usual, Seiran nailed it.
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@Annilation
I'm referring to the other 80% of people that play LD.

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 17:13
#11
Leekcoco's picture
Leekcoco
What is the point of this post?

You're really not helping yourself enjoy the game and its community. There are so many blank generalizations thrown around about the LD community, and the forum community. There have been many perfectly reasonable answers where people have disagreed with one another without being vicious, and yet I see so many posts about how we're all toxic and incapable of being a friendly community. How do you expect improvement if you've already convinced yourself that we're much worse than we actually are? Your view is already skewed and biased. Stop taking the unreasonable and vocal minority as a sample for the entire community.

Making complaint threads is okay, but if it's just dozens of them about the same thing, then no.
This entire post is a complaint. And its content has been posted many times.

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 17:20
#12
Fangel's picture
Fangel
I'm pretty sure even lockdowners call the community toxic

I play it, and I play it for what it is: a minigame with an entry fee. I play it for fun. Not all the players are toxic. In fact, most everyone is silent unless they're in friendly chatter or saying "gl hf"/"gg" robotically. It's the loud players who make the place toxic, and those who laugh after every kill while using maximum damage and attack speed. The latter isn't bad, it's just not as impressive as they make it out to be.
To be fair, every PvP environment will be toxic in one way or another.

People will always complain, and someone out there disagrees with you. On every subject.

But on topic a bit more, if we all could just be nice and share our skittles, this wouldn't be a problem.

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 18:15
#13
Bluebladez
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you know what I hate?
threads that list the things that a certain person hates
unless this certain person is Nick, nobody should care what you hate.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 00:19
#14
Dragneel-Wiki's picture
Dragneel-Wiki

So you know you are an hypocrite and you keep posting and justifying that for yourself?

Never go full retart.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 00:23
#15
Pandafishie's picture
Pandafishie
TL;DR

TL;DR :P
Words...Reading...Things that I am not capable of doing...

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 01:05
#16
Fangel's picture
Fangel
This is directed at the above post

Usually, reading long posts not littered with humor loses me early on. Unless I'm procrastinating. When I procrastinate, suddenly, reading long forum posts becomes unbelievably irresistible.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 02:35
#17
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle

As seen in the hyperlink, This is somewhat offensive. While I just internally facepalm at the hostility of someone who does this, I would like these to stop as it would make others think the forums are more bad than they should be (keep in mind I don't the the forums are ALL bad

You made a troll thread, and people called you out on it. There's no rude comment or anything, he just said "If you don't have enough knowledge about this game's celebrities, why'd you make a thread about it?"
It's essentially the equivalent of Forest Gump taking up teaching mathematics in Senior High. Do you have a right to be offended if you're trying to talk about stuff you know little about and someone mentions you shouldn't have bothered? No. He didn't say anything rude, you're just being over-sensitive.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 07:55
#18
Glittertind

"People that criticize one's choices, or how they play the game despite it being an experimental question" -Xtweeterx

You know, the information you wanted was on the Unique Variant Wiki-page.

"This is stupidity at it's finest."

Oh yes I know, that was a seriously stupid thread. Glad I didn't make it. As I have said to you earlier kid:

"If you're so afraid of reactions/opinions I think you might not want to write things on the Internet." -Weedalot

Also, you seem to fall for the fallacy of thinking that people are one collective being. Everyone making the radiant-threads are just individuals who are having troubles with the drop rate of radiants. It's not a group of people continuously making threads about it. This is not a very hard concept to grasp, just like how it's not hard to understand that different kinds of people will react differently to what you write. If you feel you get a lot of flak from people, then maybe you should think about that. For me, you just come off as very juvenile and you don't seem to think through what you write.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 07:57
#19
Skayeth's picture
Skayeth
*sighs

Why is your name Weed-a-lot? I have my suspicions.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:39
#20
Vesperaldus's picture
Vesperaldus
We're all teens and young

We're all teens and young adults here. Shouldn't we know better than this?

First of all, not everyone here is a teen or a young adult. And as for knowing better... well that's a puzzling question. I've worked in retail and customer service for a while now, and even though the famous quote of "the costumer is always right," I also see hefty evidence that a good majority of costumers are flat out stupid. Stupid from my perspective, but I can't prove what their IQ level is, I just know that they seem to come off as rude and ignorant sometimes. I guess a lot of that comes down to point of view. Everyone has their own angle of looking at life, different experiences, different motivations, and its all mixed in with their own personality. There's a lot of factors to consider, and I'm sure I myself am not aware of them all. The point is like the old saying of walking a mile in someones shoes. This being online and the internet, there's a lot that can be lacking in an encounter, thus making things more judgmental and freer to improvise characterizing someone. Overall, people will be who they are, act the way that they do, and say the things they do. Saying people should do this or that (which would be according to you own standards and perspective) would only cause a robotic society with no will or freedom if everyone were to comply to one person's way of thinking. So knowing better? We all have our own knowledge and understanding of things and do accordingly.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 14:02
#21
Rezzler's picture
Rezzler
@Mushy You are

@Mushy You are pathetic....very pathetic

@@Xtweeter Since you are annoying to the majority of forumers, if you permanently left, I think the forums would be a happier place. You cant fight the truth, but you can try.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 05:30
#22
Mushy-Bucket's picture
Mushy-Bucket
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Why am I pathetic?
I'm pointlessly defending the hated PvP people.
I'm also pointing out all the faults and contradictions in tweeter's post (In my first reply).
Beyond that I'm just having fun.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 08:31
#23
Skayeth's picture
Skayeth
Wait wait.

Mushy was defending me?! Oh **** no. I was so mean to him! D:

@Not-Hollows: Yes, in fact I'm a 6 year old with seriously good spelling and grammar.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 08:36
#24
Asukalan's picture
Asukalan
Oh, what a shame, im not on

Oh, what a shame, im not on your silly list that wont change anything and is just taking up space.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 09:22
#25
Vesperaldus's picture
Vesperaldus
@Annihilation: I was actually

@Annihilation: I was actually speaking of the other direction. Actual adults as opposed to young adults.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 10:44
#26
Rezzler's picture
Rezzler
@Annilaton Nah, 6 year olds

@Annilaton

Nah, 6 year olds still have the upper edge on you. In every aspect.

Yes, EVERY one.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:31
#27
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle

Hey! Asukalan! You're back!

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:46
#28
Draycos's picture
Draycos

I don't think Asukalan ever left, just stopped posting much.

Kind of like I might be doing quite soon.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 04:04
#29
Xtweeterx's picture
Xtweeterx
@Asukalan

Yeah. Because a list to raise (hopefully) some awareness is TOTALLY taking up space. Probably just to bury dead or inactive threads for new ones to grow. It's almost like bleeding from a cut from that spiked plant you accidentally grazed.

@Rezzler

Aaaaaaaaand who is this "Majority"? Fehzor, Annilaton, Sirius, Hexzyle, Draycos, Bitsbee, Krakob, Fangel?

Also I think you should follow me in the event that happens. But then without me, who is going to make random threads for people to post to keep the forums going and so they have something to do to reduce boredom?

I suggest you read this

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 04:50
#30
Dragneel-Wiki's picture
Dragneel-Wiki

@Xtweeterx:

"But then without me, who is going to make random threads for people to post to keep the forums going and so they have something to do to reduce boredom?"

Your reasoning is dumb. When you leave, *Hopefully*, this forum will be better, quieter, more intelligent, and cleaner from non-sense crap.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 05:26
#31
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle

Aaaaaaaaand who is this "Majority"?

Everyone except you.

But then without me, who is going to make random threads for people to post to keep the forums going and so they have something to do to reduce boredom?

What's better, a room with no-one else in it, or a room with no-one else but a loud, annoying person in it?
Forums don't need be kept "going", especially not official ones. Some new guy will come to the forums and replace you after you leave, probably with less repetitive things to talk about. Random Threads ≠ Interesting Threads. If I received a random object from the Earth, chances are that object is not going to entertain me on its own, especially if it turned out to be a side panel to a duchess, a muesli bar wrapper, or a piece of bark.

Deep down, I'm not really bothered by your banter. However, this is the wrong place for the type of chat you want to do. What you need to do is get onto an IRC, social network site, or a blog, where your random chatter doesn't interrupt other people's discussions.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 06:03
#32
Bitsbee's picture
Bitsbee

You need to quit listing me in things. I don't like it.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 08:17
#33
Skayeth's picture
Skayeth
@Hex

Majority? This is going to turn into the 300 Spartans. The rest of teh forumers vs us. I love where this is turning out. *Not Sarcastic. No, really!*

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 16:11
#34
Xtweeterx's picture
Xtweeterx
@Hexzyle

Again with this "wrong place/social media" stuff.

If I were to make threads about EVERYTHING that has ever happened to me or anything I've seen or encountered or done, there would be A LOT more threads. As long as they're related to SK it's fine, right? Though you still don't see me making threads about things I've done in SK, plan on doing, or are doing, etc. You darn well better be happy that I didn't make threads about my dad teaching me how to change a vehicle's motor-mount, me driving the truck in the rain with him, good things I got off of the Auction House, or episodes about my favorite TV shows.

Regarding you last post, I only made that list because it's people I know. I never said I knew Magnus or Chris, the only thing I do know about them is that they're famous for some unknown reason. Until you came in and told me.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 16:06
#35
Sirius-Voltbreaker's picture
Sirius-Voltbreaker
Your Voltedge isnt safe.

Ok I know this thread is directed towards me... But I promise I'll stop trollin.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 16:13
#36
Skayeth's picture
Skayeth
Guys

1. Thread to the graves. I said this for days now.

2. Eat your pie. It's not a lie. I promise you won't die. *sigh*

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 20:07
#37
Dragneel-Wiki's picture
Dragneel-Wiki

@Xtweeterx:

"You darn well better be happy that I didn't make threads about my dad teaching me how to change a vehicle's motor-mount, me driving the truck in the rain with him, good things I got off of the Auction House, or episodes about my favorite TV shows."

You know what do you remind me of? You are basically like a serial killer, that tells his victim that HEY, you should be glad I didn't kill you, I just injured your knee, shoulders and neck, OK, you should be thankful.

Just what do you have inside that space in your head.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 20:17
#38
Bitsbee's picture
Bitsbee

"You are basically like a serial killer, that tells his victim that HEY, you should be glad I didn't kill you, I just injured your knee, shoulders and neck, OK, you should be thankful."

Sounds like Batman.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 08:16
#39
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle

As long as they're related to SK it's fine, right?

I could use that weak, broad excuse to make a lot of rubbish threads, but you already did it for me.

It's not about relevance, it's about quality. If a thread is going to be hanging around on a page for all of the community to see for longer than 5 minutes, then we expect it to contain at least some quality material.
If you want to spout random stuff that could be answered in 15 seconds by anyone with a basic understanding of a few of the founding mechanics of this game, and then graveyarded, you might as well just use an IRC.

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