You do realize that Arc is trying to bring about a new order and manipulate us the way he see fit, of course me and many others are angry, taking away a small fraction of your freedom might seem to be harmless at first, one might even argue that it is better off to have rules and boarders, but to inforce the rules, more rules must be made, and eventually our life would be affected by these rules. I even made a 16K words SK fanfic trying to demostrate that, if you are intrested, go look into treasure vault, I think it is on page 4.

Of course, absolute freedom=absolute chaos, and I have already established a parameter of my own to ensure that (and for whoever deleted my insult towards Arc, I used the word 'human being' to describe him, I am a pitiful human being myself.) I don't violate the rules, I don't think we need a complain button of any sort at anywhere, your state of mind is your own choice, if someone makes you feel sad, then stop being sad and be happy again, easy.

The suggestion itself isn't all that controversial. Arcknightdelta has suggested that we obtain an updated forum reporting system, similar to how the Steam forums do it.

Most of the debate happening is actually more on a personal level than the suggestion. There are critiques of the suggestion, but for the most part Arcknightdelta's responses aren't flat out clear in response to said critiques. That isn't to say that they haven't responded to them, but rather it's not clear. Other times the critique is tossed out the window because Arcknightdelta doesn't see how it's relevant to the suggestion, which in turn creates a distrust between two parties.

On a personal level, I believe that the suggestion isn't a bad one, but not really mandatory for our community unless we explode with popularity. I believe Arcknightdelta picked a rather bad time to make this suggestion and went about spreading it in a rather unfortunate way. Those facts alone started some people with a bias opposed to viewing the suggestion as it should be viewed - from a neutral point.

I've said what I could to try to contribute to this suggestion as I do with any suggestion I comment in. Arcknightdelta does want the best for the community, but the way they say it feels almost hostile. The hostile response is no surprise to me.

Now in response to the last thing you said to me Arcknightdelta:
Our viewpoints on the matter definitely differ. I don't believe "trolling" is necessarily always an evil thing. That isn't to say there are many people who do troll who are very malicious about it, and quite often that is what trolling is. I don't mind being trolled as long as in the end I'm laughing too. Yes, that does happen.

Under the system you propose, we will hope that players are respectful of their bans. You hope that the player will learn their lesson from the ban. That isn't going to be the case for those who purposefully break the rules, as they'll keep coming back and break them again. Someone who doesn't mean to break the rules would be the most hurt by this action.

I also say that we should let people sort out their differences as that will actually make them learn. If they don't learn, the more negative one will probably have a bad public image, and that might be ban enough for the person.

Lastly, may I ask that you don't refer to the forums as "run and managed by kids"? Without any regards to how true it may or may not be, I find your phrasing of that line to be almost derogatory. Thanks. :)

Currently, OOO has made it clear that they are fine with DISCUSSING vulgar content, as long as it is not used as an insult. The Rule 34 thread in the Treasure Vault once again makes that clear. The "69" thing is therefore fine, apparently, though discussion about it escalates into insults, which is then locked, not the actual term itself.

Your comment on having players sort things out privately is completely on-board what I believe. I'm rather surprised I didn't bring that up myself.

Repeat offenders should be dealt with accordingly. An IP ban could probably work, but they might start using proxies or VPNs if they are really determined(which I highly doubt, but is still within the range of possibilities). What my primary concern is about is when players have continual, very minuscule offenses that can be easily fixed by by someone tapping them on the shoulder and saying "You slipped up, go ahead and fix it," and others would report them and in turn get the player banned. That is rather unlikely to happen, seeing how our moderators are rather fair with their punishments, but has happened in the past.

I'm glad you mentioned your view on trolling too. That paragraph itself is a good explanation of your thoughts that I believe many other forumers can agree on. From previous comments it seemed like you were eradicating all forms of negativity, even the constructive or playful kinds. That clears things up a lot for me.

Thank you! This is the sort of respect that can work in our current system. We can follow the rulebook word by word, but in the end it's up to our own judgement to act on - and I'm thankful your judgement told you what it did.

I'm just about done with my comments on this thread. I'll keep reading over them for sure, but most of the points worth discussing have been discussed. Thanks for the ride! :)

An IP ban could probably work

I've already pointed out a flaw in that a sibling who has a different computer but still the WiFi server would complain that it's his sibling's fault.

EDIT:

What about just out right posting links with no intentions of insults and just for the sake of posting it? Ever think of that?

I AM posting links with no intention of insulting and just for the sake of posting it. I've also repeatedly pointed out that there are several law-breakers in the forums, like Bazaar bumps, which Arc has neglected to reply to.

No! Eurydice disagrees! (No not those pics)

/think thank you!

Good post, Potato.
And yeah, I don't support IP bans because that would ruin it for other people who use the same network. So what if they sort it out with some implied violence (whoawhoawhoa, I'm scarred), that still needlessly detracts from the other family members' use of the game/forums.

That topic of building up those 3 whatever-marks is also accurate. I don't think you should get banned for saying 'crap' once every other month (period of 5 months), and get reported by some person who is so easily offended they don't need to be on the internet (not saying that's Arc, this is in general). A, 'crap' is not a cuss word, despite the fact some wimps think it is, and B, the marks should go away at a rate of one/24 (or 48) hours. This is an honest suggestion. It's also in US law (granted, it requires a number of years) that you can't be prosecuted for a crime that took place at some number of years in the past. Seeing as this is a negligible forum, it should be shorter - obviously.

3 cheers to another well-thought out post of mine (#159) being ignored because it would bring flaws to light! In addition, this post will likely join the club.

"Prove to us that 000s do in fact read every thread, every comment every day. Then I'll comment further on this"

Look no further than:

Threads with the purple "admin" bubble to the left of their title

Get a wet suit, goggles, an oxygen tank, and go for a dive in The Graveyard.

Look at the locked threads and edited OPs.

EDIT: "No offence to all the lovely blondes out there reading this =)"

I have brown hair, and I find this somewhat offensive. Saying "no offence" doesn't make it any less offensive if there's a smiley there just for irony. Heck, back during my spam days with Annilaton and Sirius, Feyi said "Please leave and take Annilaton and Sirius with you :) :) :)".

Too lazy to find the thread that was on, but yeah.

Please clarify this point. I can't annihilate this unless I'm 100% sure I know what it means.

If we want to look at the forums from a completely impartial point of view with ONLY the objective to ensure that every single letter of every single rule is followed, then we can't put in right or wrong, as those are biased towards human flaws in society.

Best you do. Clearly you don't understand the difference between 'bumping like a frikin bump champion' and 'bumping'. One involves spamming bump or similar words for 10 pages in a row using back to back comments. The other involves deleting and re adding a single letter or similar, in the last comment, in the same comment. Now which one do you think would warrant a report and warning from a GM/CM. To me it's very clear. If you're still confused speak to 000s about what is deemed appropriate and inappropriate when bumping.

Right, and a single half page of bump comments isn't a bump champion. Cuz we all LOVE to scroll past all of those. Cough. Besides, there ARE no threads in the Bazaar with 500 posts of pure bumps without anyone else offering an offer, as far as I know. And it's ALL bumping that's against the rules, not just ones that you, and only you, deem excessive.

Prove it. Prove to us that 000s do in fact read every thread, every comment every day. Then I'll comment further on this.

This strikes me as a person so desperate to be right, they ignore the job of a Community Manager in itself. The term means you are literally hired to patrol the forums for your workshift. What else would you do besides look at each thread? A CM is not a GM or a Dev; these three are completely different, each with their own jobs, and a CM's is to patrol every single thread.

Did you not read what I said? I have no problems any more with people using symbols that are defined as sexual at onlineslangdictionary.com as long as the person using it does not hint at anything sexual. I still find it disgusting but if they aren't rule breaking I can't report them. 000s has made that clear to me in a recent mail. They know what implications it has but unfortunately because they aren't discussing the implications 000s can't do anything about it. So I hope that clears up the <69 matter as you were obviously referring to that.

First, I'm kinda disregarding what you say because it gets more elaborate and illogical. Second, does it matter that you find it disgusting? It's completely off-topic, much like if a random guy came in and said

"Arcs are disgusting, but I can't report it if it's not relating to geometry."

So I hope that clears up the <69 matter as you were obviously referring to that.

No, I'm referring to ALL norm activity that is 'oh so against the rules buster', like bumping of ANY sort, and anything that's nonsense, like the Shadow Copy, or the Gremlin Chatter itself.

Wait, you can't understand Twitter's talk? I thought you two were like chums or something. Didn't Twitter pledge his eternal love to you or something?

What Twitter is saying is that due to the number of locked threads, admin posts, and the like, there's quite a bit of proof that CM's DO patrol the forums, and quite often at that.

If this gets added, about 99% of Gremlin Chatter posts will get flagged, especially the fourm games

I disagreed because it is very abusive and just outright takes away the freedom of speech we have. We are also losing our sense as a trust-based community, only to transform into a dystopian world where there is only governance and order. I trust the community is very mature, especially here in the forums where the 10 year old whiny kids have yet to touch it and corrupt it.

In the past few days itself, I have received 2 warnings from the GMs, due to "personal attacks". I have yet to see myself initiating any form of personal attacks to anyone, and I can only be sure that a certain youknowwho is lodging reports against me, an abuser here who only truly believes that the only form of higher order comes from a set of definite rules clearly stated on a digital file no bigger than 1kb.

I've clearly lodged 0 reports against anyone at all, because I trust the CMs to respond in time to all the threads being made, and they did. They've worked hard and diligently, so let's not bring more hassle and trouble to them.

I am not protesting/questioning a GM's actions. I am stating a situation which happened, that perfectly describes the so-called problem of such abusive reporting.

The above two sentences are clarifications to my previous post, this sentence is a fact based on my point of view. This sentence is a request to you, pleading you to stop assuming the wrong ideas out of whatever I've said.

I redacted the things myself because you'd go berserk if I didn't.
OOO does read everything though, or else the <69 flame wars wouldn't have gotten shut down. I'm not bringing that up on purpose, but it's the most recent example.

Also, I'll give my suggestion again, and be ignored again, most likely.
"That topic of building up those 3 whatever-marks is also accurate. I don't think you should get banned for saying 'crap' once every other month (period of 5 months), and get reported by some person who is so easily offended they don't need to be on the internet (not saying that's Arc, this is in general). A, 'crap' is not a cuss word, despite the fact some wimps think it is, and B, the marks should go away at a rate of one/24 (or 48) hours. This is an honest suggestion. It's also in US law (granted, it requires a number of years) that you can't be prosecuted for a crime that took place at some number of years in the past. Seeing as this is a negligible forum, it should be shorter - obviously."

"We are probably the least of their concerns." -LANDED IT

HOW DARE YOU INSULT THE GREAT CUPCAKE GOD, NO CUPCAKES FOR YOU

Yeah I'm not reading 4 pages of these paragraphs. But I'll say this, Arcknight, try to avoid double posting, it doesn't look very good. Sorry if there's a specific reason that you're double posting. If there is a reason, then just ignore this.

Also, try not to leave shadow copies when you move threads, I keep seeing this get bumped back up back in General Discussion.

I didn't say I love him THAT much.

And would you please stop calling me that? I was okay with it before, but I must let you know this name was coined far before that social website even existed. Unless you hate me or something like a lot of people.

@Arcknightdelta

I'm starting to see a lot of walls of texts from you and others. I'm starting to think this thread is going nowhere now x.x

I'll only read long things if they're that interesting. This one is far from it (but still a good idea).

"I believe 000s takes care of all the people who enjoy playing their game and their forum. So I totally disagree with you. Not that you care if I disagree. You will probably find something else to say now." -arc

Strange, but I don't know how is OOO taking care of everyone when this game is so BROKEN. I don't think I need to tell you this but OOO has made some really bad descisions during the course of its post-Beta release. And yes, they angered many people, both in game and in forum.

Here are just some of the things they done, oh, the nostolgia...
1- Sharpocalypse
The nerfing of shard bombs effectively rendered offensive bombs (except nitro and DBB useless), shards are very OP the GM told us, despite the out cry of the bobmer community, nothing was done to rebuff it.

2- Vise Binding
Did you know that there was a time when you can trade 5* weapons and gears at will? Well, guess what happened, binding came in and wrecked everything, it caused a portion of the veterans to quit and it did nothing to help the newbies, OOO says that it is implemented so that ppl can't pay their way to the end game, but still ppl pay to win this game, only this time, the money goes to Kozma/OOO, not the veteran players. Okay I will let OOO pass this one, they still needed to submit money to SEGA after all, you can blame SEGA for all this, but ultimately it was OOO's fault.

3- Radiant crystals drought
Like it or not, this is still the ugly end game that we all have to face, F2P or P2P, no one, not the GM or the GD ever uttered a word when the drop rate of radiants is changed. Why? You want to fully heat your 5* gear to lvl10 right? Well, you have to pay OOO money for that now. Okay, sure, those who can play SL with a good team will have no idea what I am talking aobut. But seriously, heating 5* gears is now a luxury few can afford, and adding to insult to injury, 50 rads cost 700CE, WTH, who would buy that?! And not to mention it cost 400+ rads to fully heat up a 5* gears.

4- The promos
Recon ranger box, winter fest box, thanks giving box, rose regilia box with three new colour (yeah...) and the warden box... all priced at 3K ish CE. Nothing the normal players like you and I could afford, and even if we did have that much CE, we would never be so foolish as in purchasing these boxes. The promos for SK has being always about reskings, one after the other, even the paying costumers are finding the promos getting worse by the year. (the gobble snipe, Apocrean and the iron wolf/dragon set are probably the only thing they made this year, the rest are reskins)

5- Arcade redux <---some good, some bad, but mostly bad
I wonder if anyone is looking forward for this... trading mist tank for free ele, great, as if everyone here play more than 10 levels per day. But wait, it is too much! With Orbs of alchemy, ppl will level up like crazy! Better implement something that can slow them down and force them to pay money! I know! The forge!

Forge, in a nut shell, is broken, it is not fun, it is really a luck based game, you either get luck or unlucky with the crystals. And it angers me more that now days ppl can leave the party at anytime. And the spark of life essentially butchered team work, newbies now lying on the ground crying for help with 0 sparks while pro player shouts YOLO at the face of darkfire vana. So much for closing the gaps between rich and poor.

Sure, I am just whining, but you can't ignore the fact that most these udpates are only there to squeeze money out of the player base. Making profits out of ppl's enjoyment of the game, you can argue that this method is valid and is applied to all games, but plz do remind yourself, OOO cares about moneyand its comany's survival more than they care about our enjoyment. They tried to make the mother of all omlette but cracked way too many eggs on the way.

Of course I can never agree with you on "OOO is taking care of everyone", they obviously aren't, only a part of it. I almost hoped that your suggestion can go through(despite of me hating it) and the report system can actually be implemented, at least that way, it shows OOO can actually listen to what the community has to say. But let's all to be realistic here, it rarely happen.