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Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:11
#201
Njthug's picture
Njthug
My best mistake was you.You're my sweet affliction <69

Not needed the forum community is way to small for all the extra effort. If you find players breaking rules on the forums just send the GM's a support ticket, and I am sure they will look into it.

<69

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 02:12
#202
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Mushy-Bucket

Now I see it! Not a bad idea and thanks for suggesting something that stays on topic and is relevant to my suggestion.

So what you're saying is basically people will abuse the system by reporting people for very 'minor' things. Be it because of personal attacks, trolling, unaware of the standards set by 000s, or just because of pure ignorance. In doing so this will slowly build up a list of reports filed up against someone.

To answer this is very simple because I had a very similar problem over at the Don’t Starve steam forum. I made a note of the players who were reporting things I believed were for minor things. I looked into the reasons why they were reporting it. Most of the time it said things like "trolling us", "spamming" or "swearing". I looked at the actual post to see how severe or minor the offence was for myself. In this cases I saw many reports where the person reporting players was indeed abusing the system. As I am not an official member of Klei and I too need to abide by their rules, I passed on the names to Klei support staff. I presume they resolved the situation as the same people abusing the system never did again. It's been a good few months now. They weren't banned (I would know if they were) they must have been made more aware of the sort of things Klei regards as being a blatant attempt at rule breaking. Now the perk of this system is clear. As all reports are listed in one separate sub forum. I could easily see every detail I needed to make the call. It's all arranged in a way that things such as names, reasons, threads, exact post are all easy to access for future reference. In essence it becomes a library of reports.

I separated the two things you rose. One is initiated by both player and resolved by a GM/CM (above), the other only involves the warning being initiated and resolved by a GM/CM (will explain now).

You raise a valid point of how the warning points a player gets, shouldn't remain, and every so often (5 months) a warning point or all warning points should be removed. Well this can also be easily explained because again I have experience in it. Warning points are only given to those players who 000s and 000s alone deem to have severely broken the rules. For example a personal attack on a member of 000s staff. The severity of the situation is only determined by 000s. In which case they add a warning point to their name. Now if someone knew that after 5 months a warning point gets knocked off and they know that after 3 warnings they get a temp ban, it's obvious they will play the system. The only way to agree to having points deducted or removed after a period of time to ensure players don't pretend to act good to get points removed then misbehave again once the points are removed, we set the number of warning points lower, before you get a ban and increase the period of time before a warning point gets deducted or reset.

I hope I cleared that up.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 05:38
#203
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
replies

@ Xtweeterx; apologies. But the people who are commenting, raise funny points that I feel obliged to respond to. I'll shorten my posts from now on, seeing as you want to stick around here. I can't say the same for others and the length of their comments.

@ Usevnsevnsixfivfor; Again with the targeting. Other people have clearly typed up long if not longer posts. If you read what I said (you probably won't) everything I say is in response to the person I am clearly quoting . They shorten theirs mine naturally become shorter. Also using 000s rules, I haven't broken any rules by typing up long posts if they are relevant to my thread. Agreed some times we went off topic, but that is a group of people not only me. So in fairness if you personally don't like long posts please leave. It's not like I have a header saying "Usevnsevnsixfivfor read this! read this! read this!".

@ Poomph; me leaving a shadow copy there is not breaking the rules. Reason because 50% of the comments in this thread are of me defending the rules set by 000s every time someone accuses 000s moderation style. So technically in those 50% or so of comments we are discussing things non related to my suggestion. So it seems logical that if 50% of comments are discussing things wrong with 000s and 50% are discussing the suggestion, then there should be a copy of my thread in two places relevant to what is being said here. Blame that on the people who like to go off topic. Not me.

@ Midnight-Dj; you raise concerns that are opinions of how you feel 000s are treating everyone unfairly. That has nothing to do with my suggestion, unless you feel 000s will be the ones abusing the system and not the players. If that's the case we all might as well leave this forum right now. Or wait you are technically suggesting 000s will abuse the system as my suggestion gives them slightly more power and flexibility. *face palm*

@ Njthug; I am sure they will look into it.

I know they look into it =)

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 04:46
#204
Sandwich-Potato's picture
Sandwich-Potato

Other people have clearly typed up long if not longer posts.

What the heck does quantity have to do with quality?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 05:36
#205
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Sandwich-Potato

Nothing obviously. Why ask?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 05:40
#206
Sandwich-Potato's picture
Sandwich-Potato

Because you seem to infer that.

Also, the topic's name should be changed to "A Way to Make Reporting Easier", as OOO has shown several times in the past that they are quite willing to bend the rules. Plus, it's Three Rings, and a zero doesn't look like a ring.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 06:57
#207
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Sandwich-Potato

Your opinion is noted. Thanks.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 10:10
#208
Poomph's picture
Poomph
No no you got me all wrong

I wasn't saying you were breaking the rules, what I mean is that the Shadow Copy keeps getting bumped to the top. It's something Annilaton used to do (Where is he anyways?) and it was quite annoying after a while. I can understand why you left a shadow copy now but just try to not use them frequently in the future.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:56
#209
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Poomph

I understood you mate. The point I was making is that I don't care if it annoys people. The option to leave a shadow copy is available to anyone. If people feel annoyed by it then take it up with OOO.

But I 100% agree how it can be annoying to some people to see topics left as shadow copies in the wrong forum (some people clearly have a very low annoyance threshold). You understand why I did it this time, so good. If I felt I am doing something against OOO, I wouldn't do it.

Edit: after careful consideration maybe I was a bit harsh towards Sandwich-Potato about leaving the shadow copy. Besides I think this thread got way more attention than it deserved. So......maybe I do care kind of.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 22:23
#210
Mayaura's picture
Mayaura
A simple recap?

Let's see if I understand things so far.

The central question of any suggestion should first of all be: If implemented, would it improve the game, i.e., make it more fun and popular?

The suggestion is to make the forums a cleaner and more civil place by installing an easier reporting system, possibly along with volunteer moderators.

The community seems pretty divided on the central question. At this point, Three Rings could respond: Yes, No, Considering it

Even if they wanted to, could they do it with Drupal? If not, it seems extremely unlikely that they would switch to another software program. However, they may be other ways that they could do it within the existing system, or even decide just to become a bit more strict in their enforcement.

If they think it is worthwhile to do and within their power to do it, then the ball's in their court. I don't know what else can be fruitfully discussed.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 02:29
#211
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Mawashimono

Pretty solid recap. Mind if I add a few things in.

The central question of any suggestion should first of all be: If implemented, would it improve the game, i.e., make it more fun and popular?
The suggestion is to make the forums a cleaner and more civil place by installing an easier reporting system, possibly along with volunteer moderators.

This is true. This is my intention. No doubt there are some discrepancies. OOO set standards which are very easy to follow yet are just as easy to misinterpret. Might I mention if you go on the steam Don't Starve forum you will notice that Klei have added a second pinned thread which adds on to and works along side the rules set by steam. This was a decision taken by Klei because some individuals were standing in the 'gray' areas of the previous set of rules. OOO could at least add to the rules here to clear up those 'gray' areas. It's not hard to see which rules are misinterpreted. Just read the comments here.

I didn't necessarily mention the addition of extra moderators, but this will help out OOO immensely. However with OOO current set of staff maintaining this forum with the amount of players active in it won't be difficult. Steam is a difficult place to manage, hundreds of thousands of people use it, this system used there makes it much easier to deal with rule breakers. So just imagine how easy the system will make things for OOO here. (I explained additional reasons why in several other posts)

The community seems pretty divided on the central question. At this point, Three Rings could respond: Yes, No, Considering it

Naturally people will be divided. People have every right to feel as if the forum as it is now is run and managed the way they like it, as it is a 'community' forum, people who think the forum needs improvement are equally entitled to express their feelings. OOO has said this would be a great idea but at the moment they are restricted to the limitations of this forum.

they may be other ways that they could do it within the existing system, or even decide just to become a bit more strict in their enforcement.

I'm hoping there is. Maybe someone who knows a cost effective way for OOO to add this system or a similar one, if not into this forum, another one. OOO have made it clear their rules are simple to follow, they admit there are 'gray' areas but they say they use their discretion while maintaining consistency in these situation. Do you all feel as if they do? (Not saying I don't, just want to hear what you and others have to say)

The least OOO could do is clear up those 'gray' areas they know of. Why after 2 or more years they haven't done so, I don't know. Klei did it in less than a year. Why? Because people used the simplicity of the steam reporting system to make them more aware of the 'gray' areas.

BTW is it grey or gray? OOO write gray. Is that an American term?

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 12:30
#212
Oroseira's picture
Oroseira
May I take your order, sir?

I do not support. You're trying to turn the forum into Something Awful, one of the worst forums on the internet. Do not continue.

Fri, 02/07/2014 - 18:12
#213
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Phantomhamachi

Thanks for the bump. Your opinion is noted.

I got a tonne of feedback from you guys here and OOOs via email. I'll put all the things you suggested into making another suggestion. Thanks guys =)

Fri, 02/07/2014 - 20:49
#214
Dibsville's picture
Dibsville
-1

My sarcasm must stay protected.

In actuality, I'd go on a big long rant about how this would just ruin the community, but it seems to have already been covered, and I doubt a copy + paste is really needed.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 08:55
#215
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Dibsville

No please do go on a rant. I would love to hear how such a successful reporting system that hasn't ruined the steam community (if it had you all would probably have heard of it by now) would ruin this community. Please don't go off on one about 'freedom of speech', why you enjoy trolling or why you think OOOs don't give two cents about this place and it's down to you and a few others to take moderation into your own hands.

I destroyed every 'opinion' in this thread with fact and my own experience as a moderator and more importantly as a steam forum user. The only excuse people are using against me because they got clear explanations why they are wrong, is I ignore what they say. So to avoid that please make your case as clear as possible. If Fangel got what I'm trying to do here, I can't see why it's so hard for others to see it also. So no, don't copy and paste things which I have already given an answer to. That would be a complete waste of everyone's time. Just because people have their own opinions doesn't necessarily mean it is the right opinion. I proved that, hence why some of them started to become emotional and say things they will later feel sorry for.

I await your reasons why you think this suggestion will ruin the Spiral Knight community forum. Please do your best to convince me. Like Rating and Perronius have raised very important points why this may not work, points I can't disagree with, I expect something just as good from you.

Thanks

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 09:38
#216
Sandwich-Potato's picture
Sandwich-Potato

I destroyed every 'opinion' in this thread with fact

Are you.

Serious.

Buddy.

You BLATANTLY ignored us, and even explicitly SAID that you ignored us. Yes, the ignore strategy is totally using fact to utterly decimate our arguments. Totally.

Also, hey look!

Thanks for the bump. Your opinion is noted.

A BUMP? That's against OOO rules! If this is implemented I'll be SURE to report that as a violation of the rules!

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 09:44
#217
Vesperaldus's picture
Vesperaldus
@Sandwich-Potato: It seems

@Sandwich-Potato: It seems like you (a plural "you" so I'm not singling you out) are ignoring some of Arc's points as well. The general gist that I seem to get is, "It works on Steam so why wouldn't it work here?" Then again I haven't read a lot of these text walls for a bit. I guess what I'm seeing though is people thinking it won't work, but so far I haven't seen any experience that they've had to support their statements. All I've seen thus far is people voicing an opinion, a highly emotional opinion.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 09:46
#218
Sandwich-Potato's picture
Sandwich-Potato

I've said a few things, like the bumps in the Bazaar, the entire Gremlin Chatter, and he just said something like

meh. I'll flag threads if they're a mega bump champion. Wut, you want me to delete the whole GC?

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 09:49
#219
Vesperaldus's picture
Vesperaldus
@Sandwich-Potato: It seems

@Sandwich-Potato: It seems like you have just ignored what I have said.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 10:03
#220
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Sandwich-Potato

Do you have inferiority complex when it comes to discussing things with me? I have only argued my side by saying you are wrong with clear reasons why. Have you done the same? No. Your main concern in this thread was why I left a shadow copy in the general discussion. I have since removed it. Would you like to tell me how this steam form of reporting won't work here or would you like to carry on teaching me the rules.

I have given arguments to every post you have made. You haven't once replied back with anything that would suggest I am wrong. Responding back emotionally and expressing personal opinion to argue my fact and experience is hardly valid. Until you can prove otherwise, as it stands I have proved everything you said wrong. Again only Rating and Perronius have discussed valid points why my suggestion won't work. Again I admit I cannot disagree with the points they raised.

Edit: I've said a few things, like the bumps in the Bazaar, the entire Gremlin Chatter

Nothing to do with my suggestion. You are only clearly making it obvious people are rule breaking, so how does this method of reporting make that worse? Defend your case logically not emotionally please. Maybe then we can meet on equal terms.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 10:19
#221
Sandwich-Potato's picture
Sandwich-Potato

You want everyone to adhere to the rules to the point where you're apparently wanting to have a way to flag the threads. And many people who use the forums do those activities that are against the LETTER of the law. In addition, I've also stated that the Community Managers read EVERY thread. It's their job. You used personal opinion by saying 'prove it'.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 10:27
#222
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Sandwich-Potato

You want everyone to adhere to the rules to the point where you're apparently wanting to have a way to flag the threads. And many people who use the forums do those activities that are against the LETTER of the law. In addition, I've also stated that the Community Managers read EVERY thread. It's their job. You used personal opinion by saying 'prove it'.

Omg. Are you serious. You are the one disregarding everything that is said. This is all your opinion and your personal assumptions. You clearly have no idea how this would work if people acted responsibly, you clearly can't prove how my suggestion would fail without assuming what you think I want. Dude seriously just leave. Accept you lost and move on. Don't keep coming back here to pick up on little things I say. If you want to stay give me a VALID REASON not based on ASSUMPTIONS and PROVE my suggestion wont work here. If you can do that I'll hold my hands up to it like I did to Rating and Perronius.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 10:34
#223
Dahall's picture
Dahall
Conclusion

I finished my popcorn long ago. Can you not post until the popcorn is resupplied?

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 10:39
#224
Dahall's picture
Dahall
I got the spiral POWAAAA!

Stop leaking your ''emotions'' into the internet.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 10:41
#225
Zaffy-Laffy's picture
Zaffy-Laffy

Hey! I was enjoying my popcorn too! Anyway, thanks Sandwich for taking over my job, now go and make me a sandwich.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 10:50
#226
Sandwich-Potato's picture
Sandwich-Potato

I want some popcorn too.

And we provided PLENTY of proof that the CM's check every thread. Do you see all of those Graveyarded threads? All those locked ones, how many they've edited the OP to add "Please do not post this in the wrong subforum/do not start a new thread when an existing one is on the front page! Thanks!" Personal opinion? Really?

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 10:59
#227
Dibsville's picture
Dibsville

It works on Steam?

And how much larger is Steam than the Spiral Knights Forums???

Steam is large enough that one person hating on another for no apparent reason won't make a [huge] difference on their personal rep. This community is... shall I say, confined? There's not as many people here as their are on Steam to judge someone.

I don't see how you can ever compare this forum to Steam, so maybe you could clear that up for me.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 11:00
#228
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Sandwich-Potato

Ok still repeating yourself.

Now please explain how my suggestion will make what you said worse.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 11:07
#229
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Dibsville

Finally! Thanks for raising a valid point that doesn't leave a cheeky remark at the end.

Ok. Steam as a whole is massive. No denying that. But each individual game forum attracts about the same attention as Spiral Knights forum does. Lol. Sometimes the Don’t Starve forum has around 10 active people. Right now for the past month its been around 10 or so active, including myself. Still we do get the odd person causing trouble and then that's when the steam reporting system comes into play. Right now there are 4202 people playing Don't Starve. Out of that only around 30 use the forum. Out of 30 only around 10 are super active.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 11:28
#230
Sandwich-Potato's picture
Sandwich-Potato

I'm saying implementing a way to tell a CM that something is bad is useless when they've already seen it.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 11:29
#231
Dahall's picture
Dahall
PRAY FOR VIRTUE!!!

O' Poseidon!!!!(or whoever monitors this section)Please grant us peace and wash away this accursed thread of Insanity!!!

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 11:35
#232
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Dahall

Why troll? Either discuss what you don't like about this suggestion or leave. It's posts like that which proves my suggestion would be a nice addition to this forum. I can't keep emailing OOO, and I don't think many others want to. If other people share my opinion that you are indeed trolling and used this system to report you for deliberately trolling, OOO will have enough proof to suggest action be taken. If you don't have anything to say other than make a fool of yourself leave.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 11:41
#233
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Sandwich-Potato

Thanks for being on topic.

But again how do you know OOO has definitely seen the post? It's an assumption. You may be 100% correct. But can you prove OOO has seen every post in this thread. How do you know they don't just skim through everything and get a general idea of things?

Another thing. How will OOO know people have taken offence to a particular comment? For example Dahall here. He is blatantly trolling. He has not made a single attempt to state why my suggestion is good or bad. If you see that as fine, then don't mine me going into a random thread copying and pasting his comment into them. He is obviously doing it for attention.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 11:45
#234
Vesperaldus's picture
Vesperaldus
@Sandwich-Potato: Then

@Sandwich-Potato: Then reporting something on the forums would be pointless as well. Yet they ask us to do that. What Arcknight is suggesting would make reporting something on the forums easier than it is.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 11:50
#235
Mushy-Bucket's picture
Mushy-Bucket
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Drupal isn't capable of providing OOO with such a system; Drupal's pretty simplistic.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 12:15
#236
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Mushy-Bucket

Thank you for suggesting something relevant to my suggestion. OOO has mentioned this to me via email. But the possibility of implementing something similar but simpler is not out of the question. Do you have any knowledge of Durpal that could help add something like this?

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 13:07
#237
Sandwich-Potato's picture
Sandwich-Potato

I've taken a look at Drupal, and have concluded that what you suggest is not possible for OOO on their current budget, especially since they lack a web designer.

And the part about Community Managers? What I'm saying is that though they eventually check each and every thread thoroughly, bunches pop up while they go nappy and when they wake up, there's lots more posts. But if you send a report, it won't reach them until they wake up either.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 14:43
#238
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Sandwich-Potato

I've taken a look at Drupal, and have concluded that what you suggest is not possible for OOO on their current budget, especially since they lack a web designer.

You looked at Durpal so if OOO had a web designer would it be possible to implement this system, can Durpal support it? Regardless of budget. Yes or no?

And the part about Community Managers? What I'm saying is that though they eventually check each and every thread thoroughly, bunches pop up while they go nappy and when they wake up, there's lots more posts. But if you send a report, it won't reach them until they wake up either.

Not true. OOO has stated in their emails to me in the past, that there is always someone online to help you on any queries you may have. However in case of the rare event every member of OOO staff are all asleep at the same time every day, then as I have stated many times before the reports all get sent to a separate sub forum. OOO can access them at any time. Just as I do. I wake in the morning after an eight hour sleep. I log into steam. I see a few reports and resolve them. It doesn't matter if it's 1 hour or 24 hours late. Bottom line is something gets done.

Are you telling me you are aware of every ban or warning that every player gets? How do you know people aren't getting a warning right now? How do you know that although someone has sent a report ticket to OOO right now that person won't get warned or banned by tomorrow. You don't. So again we don't need to worry about what OOO has to eat in the morning for breakfast, or what they plan on doing after work on friday night.

Edit: that's the difference between me and most of you raging for no reason. I give an answer to all of you without insulting or belittling you. If I have responded rudely it was in response to an equally rude comment. If I can't prove it I discuss an alternative reason to the one I am suggesting. Obviously I can't prove if OOO watch every post of not. I can't prove they are always online or not. But what I have done is used my experience as a moderator to answer your question. You obviously don't have that, hence why automatically people become defensive and hate on me rather than suggest why my suggestion won't work.

Again I repeat only Rating and Perronius have suggested reasons why this wont work and I accepted those reasons. Fangel was unsure at first but asked very clear questions without being rude or targeting me, and has not left unsatisfied with the answers I gave. You say you looked into Durpal. So why mention shortage of staff and funding? Those are irrelevant. Because if they did have both would Durpal still be able to support the system or not?

Edit: anyone is free to help out Sandwich-Potato.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 17:43
#239
Mushy-Bucket's picture
Mushy-Bucket
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As far as I know, web designer or not, and budget or not, Drupal is unable to support something like this. It would require changing the provider, which is certainly not out of the question, but that's a ways off.... they'd need to rebuild their budget to hire a web designer, which is likely not super high on their list, as they need more people who can work directly on the game.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:16
#240
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Mushy-Bucket

Thanks. So I think the main issue is that Durpal won't be able to support this. Plus with a lack of a web designer OOO are kind of messed up when it comes to creativity and knowledge on designing and implementing anything internet/web/forum based. So switching to an entirely new forum is definitely out the window at this point, seeing how much more this game needs in actual content, I wouldn't want something like this to take up their time now. I only ask OOO to take this suggestion very seriously, as I am sure they have, based on emails exchanged.

Valid point thanks again.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 13:12
#241
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

Rofl, you emailed them? Do share.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 14:10
#242
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Fehzor

I don't think that would be appropriate. I respect what decision OOO makes either way. Basically though. One member of OOO feels that the forums are fine. Another told me this was a great idea but due to limitations of this forum it would be difficult to implement. But they did say adding a chat filter on this forum is possible. Most of my other emails were passed over to higher members in the OOO staff. Not sure I will get a response from them. But I made my feelings very clear and I used this thread to prove what I said to them. Regardless OOO are the moderators here and they know what's best.

Honestly thanks to everyone who posted here. I hope I at least made you guys aware of how important it is to take care in what you say. You don't need to belittle someone if you 100% disagree with what they say. Argue your side as best you can, but with respect.

AKD

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:48
#243
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

Is showing them this thread really the best evidence for your case? If I recall correctly, a few people wanted it but most of us seemed fine without lol.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 16:02
#244
Mayaura's picture
Mayaura
Thanks again for your valiant

Thanks again for your valiant effort, Arc, even though I doubt it's going to change the behavior of anyone.

There will always be emotionally disturbed, immature, mean-spirited people on the forums, and the community managers seem content to let posts like this one

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/97009#comment-872126

go unchecked as long as there's no profanity.

Too bad.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 02:31
#245
Midnight-Dj's picture
Midnight-Dj
:/ @Mawa

"There will always be emotionally disturbed, immature, mean-spirited people on the forums" -Mawa

People that has emotional problem, immaturity (well, that is like all the 14 years old and below, the major demography of SK) or Mean spirit (I think you might be referring to me, but then again, I am alot better than some other ppl) have the same right to exist as anyone else on this forum, you can't wipe us out, I know that is your dream, when one day everyone speaks honey words into your ears, and I think that is Arc's dream as well. This complain button is nothing more than a way to justify your attempt in silensing others. And also, kudos to all the mods out there that decieded that my thread was keep-worthy. Without you, no voice would be able to stand up against ppl like Mawa, Arc and many others who believe that they are above our freedom of expression.

Edit: @Arc fine you win, I removed that quote, but Mel Gibson did get alot of hate for saying what he wanted to say, or at least, what he wanted to say while he was drunk.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 07:11
#246
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Midnight-Dj

Don't quote a man who stood up to fight for freedom and what was right. He wanted independence for his country, you want to be free to say what ever you want good or bad, polite or rude, friendly or insulting. That isn't right. I try my best to speak to people as polite and respectable as I can. But I'll argue my side as ruthlessly as any other person here if I know my heart is in the right place, for what is right.

We all make mistakes but we learn from them. You will find people can act however they want on the internet. But when you get out there in the real world.......I wish you the best of luck. You say you are forced to speak rudely to people because of what happened in the past, but have you heard a famous saying;

"two wrongs don't make a right"

You're a good kid. Don't let things that happen in the past effect you moving forward. It's not good for you or others.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:34
#247
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Fehzor

Is showing them this thread really the best evidence for your case? If I recall correctly, a few people wanted it but most of us seemed fine without lol.

I'm not using this thread to prove that people want this suggestion.
I'm proving how many people don't want this suggestion.

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