http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/1413
Nowhere does it say shadow copies are against the rules so if it's a player made up thing, don't back seat moderate
My suggestion thread is in the relevant forum though
You haven't told others to remove their shadow copies from the General Discussion. I was sad enough to check through the first 5 pages of GD looking to find your comment in each shadow copy.
Post spam or other nonsense that disrupts the forum's formatting, functionality, or usability, including quote pyramids or "bump" posts.
A Suggestion is nonsense in the General Discussion.
Your comments are irrelevant to my suggestion. So stop posting nonsense.
If you have a problem with shadow copies (I don't) then tell 000s who have made this option available to everyone.
We already have a system of reporting people that you can use to take up anything and everything you see wrong on the forums with the mods, it just isn't publicized very well. I use it all the time, as part of my evil campaign to scare away every single new knight via dominating the topics with complaints to make OOO appear villainous, despite less than 10% of knights taking part in the forums.
It bugs me when people mini-mod, rather than just report it to the mods honestly. It derails the thread and before you know it, "Acheron or Gran Faust" has become "General Discussions or Arsenal or Treasure Vault because of a drawing or-" which I feel detracts from the forums as a whole.
It also bugs me when the mods don't tell us what precisely is acceptable and what isn't, and then hold us accountable for it. We are expected to innately know and never mess up. Mistakes happen, and it would be nice if they could give us more warnings and judge us based on our intentions and willingness to change rather than our direct actions.
Agreed. We do have a reporting system. But in my experience the way I am suggesting is better. I have already mailed 000s stating I am not saying their system is inappropriate or primitive. I just think this way would improve on an already practical system they have set up already.
Note: I have had no issues using this current system other than the fact if my way was implemented it will make it much more 'publicized' (you can't miss a small red flag option in the top corner of every post, and most likely 000s will announce the new system in their patch notes to see for all) and more people will feel encouraged to report people not meeting 000s forum standards.
Edit: this is what 000s finds acceptable http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/1413 not what some players have made things to be.
When I see people post your name as a response to someone trolling, suggesting it is your alt, I find that a way of making fun and targeting an individual. I don't care what you 'might' have done in the past. That's in the past, people shouldn't be allowed to use a players name for humour, no matter how light the situation or no matter what went on in the past.
That's why I refer to the SK forum as a play ground for school kids.
Aw man, this is getting long and tired...
Look, I'm in agreement that we could use a better report option. I don't think it would be used terribly often, but hey, I'd still like to have it. That said, a few things I'd like to address.
1) Dismissing what Rating said, based on the fact he "doesn't respect you as a player"
From what I read, that relates directly to something YOU said to him. He's telling you that your response came off as high and mighty, if you will. Rating is trying to come to a decision on how he feels about this suggestion, and asked some very valid questions about it, and not only where none answered, it looks like you blew him off. Whether or not he likes you, or thinks you are terrible at SK, makes no difference as to whether or not this idea is feasible.
At the beginning of this thread, I agreed with you, and said yeah, this is a good idea. Problem is, I don't think Drupal supports this option. The biggest issue with your suggestion, and the one that I don't think you've addressed as of yet (forgive me if i missed it, I read every post here, even the ridiculous attempts at trolling by a couple of people) is the actual implementation and cost. Being that you are a steam community mod, you know that the budget and resources available to both companies are very very different.
Knowing that I harbor no animosity towards you, and I am just genuinely curious, I'll pose the question to you instead: How do you propose we implement this change for the better, technologically? Once we get that part sorted, I have a couple of other thoughts to help tailor it to our community, to help address a couple of Feyi's/Mushy's concerns.
2)Shadow copies
No, I don't think they are against the ToS, and neither is referencing it in other posts, but at some point it gets pretty close to spamming. I assure you, the vast majority of our forum community knows what is going on here, likely via word of mouth alone. I understand that you aren't concerned with your reputation/perception etc, and that's fine, it's the internet so it won't likely hurt you. That said, it does seem like you truly want to help the community, and being ignored/treated like a couple of other pariahs this community has won't help the game.
Posting this thread everywhere is the equivalent of going door to door selling vacuums and religion, but instead of doing it politely, you are forcing your foot into the doorjamb and barging in during dinner, and beating people in the face with your product. Instead of making people aware of their options, and gently showing them your POV, it MAY sour their thoughts prematurely.
Either way, a shadow copy is mainly there so that people who already posted can see where the topic went, and follow it there. Trust me, we all know where it is now :D
Anyhow, that's it for me. My head hurts. Not trying to derail your suggestion, I'm honestly trying to help. I told you yesterday in another thread that the whole <69 thing was separate from anything else, and if you were standing up for something I agreed with, I'd be right there with you. Welp, here I am. The fat guy, at your side. The hero you deserve, but not the one you need right now. So i'll eat, because I can take it.
most likely 000s will announce the new system in their patch notes to see for all
Considering OOO's history of hiding what changes they made to make a little guessing game, I don't put much faith in that.
@Everyone not liking the shadow copy: Go make a suggestion to remove the shadow copy option altogether. Tell me of an appropriate use of Shadow Copies because everyone seems irritated every time it happens.
Fehzor and Perro make reference to important pieces of info:
'Drupal' (idk much about it) may not support your suggestion. Does Steam use Drupal? If not, does it take expertise to create a brand new forum using Steam's forum 'technology' (idk what it would be called)? If so, then you can assume someone would need to be hired to implement your suggestion. That's a major cost, so there would need to be some quantifiable benefit (hopefully more than banning a few users that break the forum rules often, which Three Rings can still do in the current system). Not every business case has 100% sound support, but typically they involve some assumptions and methodology to come to a conclusion. Yours just seems to be 'I saw this and I don't like that so you should do this.' Which to me doesn't seem like a very sound argument for a major change.
If it's true that less than 10% of users are on the forums, and it would be a massive undertaking, should we really ask Three Rings to make such a major change for such a small benefit?
It almost seems like better publicizing the current report functionality makes more sense given what we know today...
Read post #99 I didn't dismiss him. The question is irrelevant to me. It is relevant only to 000s.
Now I'm starting to like you (in a friendly way)
Honestly I don't know about the technical implications or financial ones. So I can't answer them. It's no obligation for me to know this either. If everyone suggesting an idea knew how to implement it technically and know the financial losses/gains it would then be appropriate for me to also provide that information. Hence why I found Ratings questions irrelevant in regard to him saying my suggestion was not well thought out because I didn't answer it.
Someone definitely needs to be hired to implement this if it is considered, based on how people are saying 000s are lacking in the web department. So now I bet people will ask me to find a web designer for 000s lol.
I would be more than happy to remove the shadow copy if it was against the TOS. That's all I have to say on it. If it is such a big deal to others they should make all the other people aware they left shadow copies in the GD. I found 20 in the first 10 pages of GD. Please move on from this. It's silly to keep discussing this. As you already know its not rule breaking. Yes there is a limit so rally up and get the others removed.
I look forward to your response, although I didn't give you much to respond on =)
Edit: I went through how the system works in general if it was implemented already.
Edit: Perronius if people kept their comments relevant to my suggestion this wouldn't have dragged on. So apologies if I am coming off as being a bit snarky but based on some of the responses I have to refer to, it's justifiable. From now on any comment that is relevant to my suggestion I'll try to respond to it as best I can. That even a includes people hating on it lol. I won't respond to personal opinions of how people feel about this forum if they don't refer to the standards set by 000s, and I wont respond to people at all, who say to leave the forum if I carry on pushing my suggestion.
All I was saying is with a change like this it would make sense to consider those things when proposing your idea, given that the solution doesn't seem readily available. I could spout some suggestion like 'add voice acting to Spiral Knights and include more cinematic sequences!' But in order for that suggestion to hold any weight I would expect myself to have a general understanding of what it would take to make that suggestion happen...
Suggestions like 'add new armor' or 'create a new boss' don't need to consider those things since it's within Three Rings' current capacity to implement them, but your change is much different from those and could benefit from that type of analysis for feasibility. The connections you made didn't really click given all that's come to light about modifying forums, so really I just don't see it working out...
Again I should add that I do think it would be nice to have more functionality on the forums, if it's at all possible and isn't an unreasonable burden.
My honest response to that is then let the people who know those things worry about it. If someone wants to help add their experience to what you ask then great. But then again 000s could have a totally different stance on it. You can't dismiss my suggestion based on things like that. You just come across as being nit picky. I'm sorry I can't answer what you want me to. If I'm be open that I don't know that isn't any excuse for someone to hate on me. Hence why I made this suggestion to get people at the standard 000s want us at and minimise petty insults. Whether you like my response or not you saying you don't respect me is an insult. Not one I care about, but it is an insult nevertheless. So lets drop it and move on.
I also wasn't aware 13 year olds were expect to know the technical and financial side to their suggestions. Apologies. I explained as best I could how the system would work if implemented here. How it is made is out of my scope.
Edit: in response to your second comment. I appreciate that. Your concern is valid. I can't deny that. But I feel only 000s can answer it. But anyone with experience and knowledge in those fields could give us a rough idea.
Edit: just in case you missed by edit in the post above yours. If what everyone says is true and 000s does not have someone experienced to make changes like this, then yes it is a problem. But again you can't dismiss my suggestion as being not thought out fully, just because I cant suggest a new member of staff for 000s =)
For the record: 13 year olds aren't supposed to know that kind of stuff which is why their lofty suggestions such as this one are usually junk/pipe dreams/too much of a stretch and never see the light of day. Their suggestions that make sense are 'let's make a pretty gun that goes pew pew pew' instead of 'pew pew' and are sometimes accompanied by a cool drawing.
And I can, and have dismissed your suggestion based on the fact that I believe the cost would far outweigh the benefit, and I am fairly confident Three Rings will too when they do their due diligence if they haven't taken a look at their forum structure some time in the past before your suggestion popped up (but if they don't, hooray cuz that would be nice).
If 000s dismiss my suggestion I wouldn't mind. I have told them that. But a suggestion's intended purpose in majority of cases is to get your idea out there. To get noticed. If you fail, you get back up and try again. You must know by now I hate losing, it's the way I am.
Again in regard to your points. They are relevant. So now you have your opinion 'out there' someone will notice it, think about it, if there is a clear cut solution and do something about it.
@ others
I repeat if 000s doesn't add this in at least they know there are people here that believe our community needs improving, they do want better community standards and they want change. If 000s sees that and do something about it in their own way, my purpose and goal on this forum has been fulfilled. I like to leave an overall positive impact where ever I go. If that means upsetting some people to make it better for the majority I will do what ever it takes.
I'm doing my best to help out Klei on the Don’t Starve forum since I was made moderator, I made an impact in the trade forum here by providing a price checking service which helped a lot of people thanks to the efforts of so many awesome people, and I would now like to do the same and improve the forum as a whole here. I don't do it to feel happy about myself, I do it to feel happy that I have helped make a difference to those around me. If that is such a crime then hate on me all you want.
"make it better for the majority"
I'm pretty sure the majority of people that even actively used these forums (which aren't many) have voiced they don't support it.
Just saying.
I'm also pretty sure you were never elected by us to represent what we want. Nonetheless, at least your suggestion is thought-out and rather thorough.
If the 'majority' of Spiral Knights forum users is composed of the amount of people who posted here to share their opinion, is indeed a clear representation of the amount of people using this forum then 000s really do need to improve their forum standard to encourage more people to pro actively use their forum. You're not exactly helping to make that positive impact Mushy-Bucket. However if you ever do start your own suggestion thread that has a positive impact on Spiral Knights I'll be sure to support it 100%
Just saying
You know you can compliment someone without throwing in a witty comment. Sometimes one person stands up and makes a difference without ever being noticed.
"A leader is best when people barely know he exists, when his work is done, his aim fulfilled, they will say: we did it ourselves". —Lao Tzu
Nonetheless. Thanks =)
I kind of like having limited functionality on the forums. What I want to see is an avatar designing competition, where you submit screenshots and art that are judged and maybe put onto the forums as usable new avatars, with some prizes for overall best. Now that would be cool.
It would be lovely if I could get you to campaign for that instead of the whole minimod thing.
I'll campaign both! Then I can finally use my steam profile pic as an avatar here.
But lets keep my thread on topic please.
I've voiced my concerns about this before so I'll leave it at that, but there's on last thing I feel I should ask.
Please don't think it's an attack on your persona, I'm doing my best to write it down in such a way it doesn't seem like that.
Could it be you have a very low threshold when it comes to 'bad' things?
When I see people post your name as a response to someone trolling, suggesting it is your alt, I find that a way of making fun and targeting an individual. I don't care what you 'might' have done in the past. That's in the past, people shouldn't be allowed to use a players name for humour, no matter how light the situation or no matter what went on in the past.
When I read the ToS (Yes, I have done that), I see how you can deem it wrong according to 'personal attack, belittle, etcetc.
But that is the letter of the law, not the intent of it. You should ban the whole Bazaar sub forum for 'bumping threads' otherwise.
In reality it isn't worth reporting. Neither is <69.
That's where my issue lies.
I don't want to feel prohibited from being myself, within the intent of the law, when somebody with a lower threshold for 'bad' things can report me from a viewpoint within the letter of the law.
It would not contribute to a community, it would contribute to a police-state.
have a definition: If community exists, both freedom and security may exist as well. The community then takes on a life of its own, as people become free enough to share and secure enough to get along.
You won't improve community by enforcing it.
If you don't want to feel prohibited from being yourself then work towards improving your community standard to the ones set in stone by 000s. If you feel policed because you want to be lax about some rules then that the defeats the whole purpose of 000s having rules to ensure everyone is at the same level of community standard.
You might as well ask 000s to add this into the rules thread somewhere.
"To help make the forums a pleasant and productive place for the Spiral Knights community, we must ask that you abide by the following guidelines, but if you deem any rule to impede on your personal preferences how you should respond to comments on this forum, then by all means please do not feel obliged to follow the guidelines to their full extent."
Note; my threshold is limited to the rules and guidelines 000s has set here. If I feel a rule is being broken I shall report it to 000s.
Edit: 000s has made it very clear to me where they stand on <69. I got over that fiasco the same day things kicked off.
Do you understand the difference between intent and letter of the law?
You ignored the main issue. Hence why people feel you are unresponsive in arguing with.
There are multiple people here trying to help you accomplish a more well reasoned, manageable suggestion.
If you keep alienating every single one of them, you'll soon be fighting a one man war. Where is the community in that?
Please explain what you mean by this then.
"Do you understand the difference between intent and letter of the law?"
My take on it is
if you truly keep self aware of the intent of the law, then you will never break the letter of the law.
I didn't ignore your issue. I approached it in a different way which you failed to see.
Edit: if you want a more straightforward answer to your question.
The intent of the law is the area not specifically specified but it is still covered and is made aware. While the letter is spelled out and very specific.
To keep things very simple. Just FOLLOW the rules set by 000s. From that you can judge how to behave on the forum. Stop trying to find a loop hole, or that 'grey' area.
You also have to appreciate a reporting system is not there to punish it is there to remind and help people correct their mistakes. If someone is made aware what they are doing is wrong they will hopefully stop. It's why there are bullies in this world. Bullies are people who need to be made aware by educating them through rules and community standards to help make them realise what they are doing actually hurts people.
What Feyi means is that OOO has some compensation for our intelligence that they trust us to be able to infer what they actually want us to do. Think the Boxer Rebellion's relationships between China's government and the rebels. You have to see the deeper meaning.
I know exactly what Feyi-Feyi means. I made it very clear, trying not to upset someone, that it is obvious 000s trust in some players has been abused. It is very clear in some cases that 'intelligence' to see you are upsetting someone even as a joke is severely lacking in some people.
If you could keep from stealth editing I wouldn't need to change my response to you every 5 minutes.
Arc, lemme put it to you another way.
You want everyone to obey the rules as written. What about Bazaar bumps? What about the Shadow Copy, which "disrupts the [sub]forum's . . . usability"? What about the Gremlin Chatter? What about recreating locked threads? What about all that talk about FSC, which counts as spoilers for new players? Are those threads locked or warned by GM's?
I'll resort to a simple example:
Suppose someone calls you a non-respectable individual.
You may find it offensive. It is however not an offense, It's an opinion.
The intent of the ToS would be I can't call you a %*%%¨_°.
According to what's written down, as long as you are offended I can't write it.
A system like this is vulnerable in the way that you could report it anyway.
Multiply that by a factor for every case like this, and you're creating a non-effective way of dealing with the forums.
The point is to get rid of excess, not to have control over everything.
This community does very fine in self regulating excess, and GM/CMs step in when needed, not when wanted.
Appreciate the support guys/girls, I really do, but let's not make it a team thingy.
"You must know by now I hate losing"
Well there's your problem.
In the suggestion forum, it's not a discussion of winning or losing. Someone brings a suggestion to the table, and others take it apart and point out the pros and cons. The thread then discusses how the proposed suggestion could be made, bringing various variables that affect the suggestion to the table.
I, myself, am against the proposed suggestion. A decent compromise to this would be to add a "complain" tab to the navigation menu or footer menu that works similarly to how in-game reports work. Granted, I do not know how much information Three Rings can generate from the forums, but I'm fairly certain they can see into their database and see what current and edited posts say/said. This is a rather simple HTML modification (especially the footer one, no need for a GUI and accidentally throwing players off) especially if it links to a form players can simply fill out.
One large thing I hold against the proposed method is it creates a feel of players policing each other instead of confronting each other. We all have equal say on these forums, and we also all have a right to feel comfortable on it. If a player is making you feel uncomfortable, tell them. Be it in-game via a private message or mail, or in the thread itself. If they are mature enough, they will stop - apologize even! The discipline you wish to put on a player is not needed; if they truly want to cause harm they'll keep creating accounts to hurt others.
"You also have to appreciate a reporting system is not there to punish it is there to remind and help people correct their mistakes. If someone is made aware what they are doing is wrong they will hopefully stop. It's why there are bullies in this world. Bullies are people who need to be made aware by educating them through rules and community standards to help make them realise what they are doing actually hurts people."-Arc
Have you ever stand on the bullies' point of view and reconsider things alittle bit? Why do ppl bully and does education really solve this problem? The truth is, bully is caused by EVERYONE, you and I have our own fair share in this.
"Wut, I bullied no one!"
Are you sure? Really? Think back, do you never belittle/prejudice others for their differences? Do you hate something because it is new and different, sure you can probably accept vegetarians or body piercings in your lifetime, but what about religions, cults and subcultures? The ones that makes you sick and you almost wished that they never existed.
Like how christians tried to propose anti-gay marriage law in US, they have prejudice and thus they hate those who does not obey the will of their almighty god (who is of course, non existant. Yes, I am an atheist.), the christians tried to force others to obey the same believe as they do, just like how you try to impose a system on the forum population, you believe ur cause is just, like the christians believe that marriage is exclusively for a man and a woman. But do I hate you for it? No, I have encountered many ppl like you, who thinks that everything that they said is right and those who says otherwise are bigots.
Why do I not hate you and your alikes? Because I am one of you, I am just a guy, who came here impose my will upon others, you can argue that you are only trying to make the forum a better place, many ppl said things similar things in the history book, like that one Austrian who said he will make Germany into a nation that will last 1000 years, guess how that turned out? We all have intensions, all organic beings do and on the way we started to believe in our own lies, power corrupts all and until you can prove that you are an A.I. with proper guide-lines, you are no better than the rest of us. Contri, feyi-fei, you and I, are all just a bunch of insignificant beings, living on this pitiful rock in a cold void, trying to prove that our existance meant more than just carrying out the means to live.
That's why chat filtering would be a nice addition. I already suggested that to 000s
Regarding everything else you said. It all comes down to responsibility. I have never had someone teach me how to responsibly use the reporting system on Steam. I have never had to tell someone on the Steam forum to not abuse the reporting system. People don't abuse it because they know the consequence of abusing it (states in steam rules) and they have a relatively good understanding of what would be deemed as potential rule breaking, because they have been made aware of the community standards. I mentioned this several times before. This point was raised already. Please don't ask it again. I'm just repeating myself.
Bottom line. 000s can't teach people to act responsibly. You abuse the reporting system for silly little offences. You get banned. End of discussion.
Have you ever stand on the bullies' point of view and reconsider things alittle bit? Why do ppl bully and does education really solve this problem? The truth is, bully is caused by EVERYONE, you and I have our own fair share in this.
I can't believe you are making up an excuse for bulling. People actively campaign against all forms of bulling, and you're saying 'no it's ok' there must be valid reason. The truth is education will solve bulling. Though educating you will find out what past experiences caused someone to become a bully, through education you will help that individual, through education you will help male them realise what wrong was done to them shouldn't be done to others. I'm not going to bother reading the rest of your post. You're obviously a very good troll.
I think what some of you are doing is now that you're all getting bored, you're essentially nit picking at little things I say and blowing them out of proportion. You don't like me arguing back but it's absolutely fine for one or two to add in a cheeky gesture or sly off topic comment, all going unnoticed.
No it's not a problem. Although I have expressed I am very competitive I haven't dismissed a single relevant point. Please feel free to post any relevant point raised that I missed. I'll be happy to answer it as long as it hasn't already been answered.
Regarding what ever else is your post. I can't believe after everything I said you still feel this is 'stopping freedom of speech'. If you have never used any other forum other than SK you will never truly understand what I am suggesting. If all of you feel as if I am against what you are saying to me. I am against this idea of a forum run and managed by kids. It's clear you all have very little understanding of 000s standards (not so much you and a few others here) hence why you troll. To be honest all I keep hearing from people is;
"I don't want this because then I can't troll people, because someone will report me and I think my trolling is very harmless".
If this is your only argument, please leave. Don't waste my time. I won't respond to any more comments that have already been answered and I won't teach people how to be responsible or behave in a community. If you want lessons mail me in game.
I'm going to be blunt with you now.
You say let people openly sort out their own situation. Who are you kidding Fangel. You know as well as I do, on here that leads to pages and pages worth of trolling/flaming. Honestly if people can't see there is a problem with that you are all deluded and contributing to the problem. I hate arguing for no reason. I see no reason to argue my points here repeatedly because it's obvious some of you don't mind it. I do. So I will push for this system. If it doesn't happen. I'll sit back and watch the forum. Anyone I see rule breaking I'll report it through the sk email system. I'll encourage others to as well.
Ironically, it was through Education that I was BULLIED, yes, teachers, coaches and principles, they called me weak, phycotic and unfit for school(oh, did u just realize that teachers can be bullies too?), they taught me how to hate and nothing more, so Here I am, ruining your day as well as everyone elses, why? Because that is all they ever told me, why shouldn't what happened to me not to be done to others, I celebrate when great people die, I troll others on the forum and I will never stop. I have made my choice just like you have made urs, we are both the same in some way. You can ignore my comments all you want, I am here to bring hate and misery just like you are here to bring control and ignorance.
(Please remember that personal attacks are against the forum rules. Attacking ideas is fine, attacking people is not.)
I'm not going to sit here and just out right agree with everything you say. I haven't dismissed any relevant argument involving my suggestion, anyone has made. So far except for what Rating and Perronius have said, everyone is going off on how the reporting system will affect the way they comment on the forum. It's obvious you all feel as if you are rule breaking by not abiding to the letter of the law. I haven't had a problem hence why I am so against some of these 'personal opinions' you all have. Minor arguing is nothing to warrant a warning or ban, personal attacks and silly jokes that hurt others does.
If you feel I have upset you as an individual, appreciate I was only responding to an equally rude comment. Outside this discussion I won't hold any grudges. What goes on in here, ends here.
First and mainly, I just wanted to say thank you to Arcknightdelta for your “work” on this thread. It’s been quite entertaining and thought-provoking. Your persistence in keeping the debate alive is amazing.
Many of us have hoped and advocated for some method of making the forums more civil and clean, so please know that your Herculean efforts in this regard are not going unappreciated.
Kudos to you for suggesting a possible way to achieve a better forums environment, one that most likely reflects what Three Rings hoped for as expressed in their Knight's Code of Conduct, namely:
1. Have Fun
2. Respect your fellow Knights!
3. Be sensible! (Don't give out your login information)
4. Keep it clean!
I think we can disregard #1 and #3 for now. As for #2, it’s simply too vague and unrealistic to be useful. Even expressed in the negative – “Don’t be disrespectful toward your fellow Knights” – is too open to subjective interpretation to be effectively moderated. The sentiment is laudable, but, after all, this is the internet.
As for #4, Keep it clean! which is explained further as - Using or linking to vulgar, obscene or offensive language or material is considered swearing and unacceptable. This includes any racial, sexual, unlawful, religious slurs, insults or other deliberately offensive remarks directed at another knight.
Currently you can be quite insulting and vulgar as long as you avoid profanity. Using insulting versions of player’s names, numbers with symbolic meanings, thinly veiled references to sex acts are all allowed by the community managers. Some members of the forums community enjoy this form of “playing the game” quite a bit, and have protested in this thread against anything which might restrict the fun they have at others’ emotional expense. Sending complaints to support avails you nothing and requests made directly to the offending players to stop harassing you only causes them to attack you further. Your moral courage in making yourself a target of their ire on the slim possibility that Three Rings might improve the forums is highly commendable.
I cannot imagine a forums that is moderated by known players of the game. These players would surely become targets of harassment and abuse. Nor would I want players doing moderating anonymously with all their unavoidable biases. Even paid professionals are susceptible to favoritism and emotional over-reactions.
If such a forums exist, how are these volunteer moderators chosen, monitored, and protected?
Hey guys, the Auction House just called..
Let's burn that building down for offending our sensibilities!
Woah, Regal Wings?
Could you also not post once for each peep? Why not do something like this:
@Random-Bloke-One
[Insert text]
@Random-Other-Bloke-One
It's obvious you all feel as if you are rule breaking by not abiding to the letter of the law.
We do. The entire Bazaar should be locked then, and that "Count to 5000" thread in the Gremlin Chatter, as well as all of those duplicate threads at the same time. For example, the Winterfest update was received with a myriad of negative threads, all proclaiming the same thing and ranting this and insulting that. Were they locked? No.
I think the point I am making if some of you haven't gathered yet. Is the problem starts with you. You have to realise the mistakes you are making as do I. Then once we as individuals realise what we are doing wrong everything in general will start to fall into place. In order to do that you need to get rid of all this deluded concept of what you believe to be freedom of speech and only stick to what 000s has given us. That way everyone is at the same 'community standard'.
No point pointing fingers when you are not right yourself.
Thank you for such kind words. If only others commenting here would only realise there is so much wrong in what they say and do, this forum would be such an awesome place. I must also commend you on your awesome Fashion thread. Awesome work =)
I agree there is a lot of subjectivity when applying our current SK forum rules to certain situations. But I personally see it how it is. I think to myself. Would I like it if someone said the same thing back to me if I submitted this comment to someone. It is clear that some of you don't like getting the same treatment you do on to others. I think I proved that myself in this thread alone.
If such a forums exist, how are these volunteer moderators chosen, monitored, and protected?
WARNING ARCKNIGHTDELTA'S LIFE STORY ON STEAM FOLLOWS NEXT!
Well I can't speak for everyone. I was just any ordinary steam forum user for like 2 or 3 years. What I am doing here I did on the steam forum. In particular at the Don’t Starve forum. I would argue endlessly with people like those here who believe the internet is a play ground to behave in any manner that makes them feel happy. So much hate and anger. People said exactly the same thing there that they are saying to me here, exactly the same, literally word for word stuff. The only difference there, was a group of people like myself who wanted the same as what I envisioned, they spoke up and backed me. A forum where everyone follows the same community standards. It went on for a few months.
Then I was sent a mail by a developer from Klei, asking me if I would like to moderate both on the steam forum and the official Klei forum. I accepted and well...here I am now. Using what I learnt there and trying to make people aware of only one set of rules here. Honestly steam moderators get abuse thrown at them all the time. I'm lucky in a way. The developers are very supportive and always provide support through mail and such, plus the forum I mainly concentrate on has a naturally very friendly community. So my life is a lot easier than most other steam moderators I would like to think.
Note. I'm not asking to be a moderator here. I'm asking 000s for some change to filter out those well......you know what I mean.
I'm not going to sit here and just out right agree with everything you say. I haven't dismissed any relevant argument involving my suggestion, anyone has made.
What is this I don't even..
You've done this twice, just to me. Not even counting all the other persons you did it to.
You can't dismiss the WHOLE of my comment by saying 'responsibility'.
If responsibility was the answer to all of the issues with your suggestion,
we could just you know, be responsible and have no need for this system in the first place.
Irony is funny, ignorance is not.
There sure is a lot of debate in this one suggestion topic, strangely enough.
It's not a bad idea. It's not exactly a game changing one that everyone really wants, in lieu of other improvements.
But it doesn't matter if suggestions are good or bad. What matters is "how likely will this be implemented?" And the answer is "not likely."
The rest is just chatter.
You're making it very difficult to understand you. I honestly can't understand what sense you are making, I know what you are saying, but it sounds absurd how you wish me to respond to things that are so deluded, that only you and some others believe to be true. I can't answer it because it surprises me how blind people are to the only thing anyone needs to follow. The Standards set by 000s.
As far as I can tell, you want to be allowed to say and do what you want as long as it isn't' that bad' to avoid getting a warning or a ban. So essentially what you have done (you're not alone) is formed your own set of rules that allow you to express yourself freely as you deem appropriate to mock people, spam, troll, back seat moderate etc... but when the same thing is done to you, you are allowed to become defensive (only you, anyone else who become defensive have their reputations ruined). Friends join in and quickly disregard what insults they and their friends dish out and focus on every emotional reaction the 'victim' is expressing. Don't tell me this isn't true. Wait you can't. You said this in response to me using another player as an example who's name is brought up every time a person trolls.
When I read the ToS (Yes, I have done that), I see how you can deem it wrong according to 'personal attack, belittle, etcetc.
I see this whole scenario as this;
Spiral Knights Forum is the Human body
Me being here is the Foreign body
Those who are against my idea with no clear reason are the White Blood Cells
So naturally I'm attacked. My idea isn't attacked you are attacking me. Because you don't like the way I want things changed.
My suggestion is what steam uses. There are no faults other than the limitations of the forum and the Development team in which it needs implemented in.
Only Rating and Perronius have 'attacked' my suggestion and suggested clear reasons why my idea won't work based on fact. You and others have said things based on how 'you lot' want the forum run and so automatically dismiss anything that may get in your way I.e. me. You haven't denied my idea is bad, you deny my idea won't be good here because it doesn't suit you personally. Obviously you are entitled to your opinion but please understand I have the same entitlements as you.
So please make it clear to me in a few lines what you want me to respond to. I will honestly answer it with open mind and heart. But I won't answer anything I feel has already been answered.
If it's just to add a button to report posts/threads more easily, then I'm okay with it. If it's to make the moderation process automatized on some way, then no thanks.
If it's just to add a button to report posts/threads more easily, then I'm okay with it
It's exactly this! It's still going to be 000s own friendly GM/CMs.
Edited the title =)
Better?