A short list of easy-to-implement, logical suggestions. Knights, please give me your opinion! :)

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Watermelon-Soda

Please Read:
(Before anything, if you read this in General Discussion, please understand that I'm trying to get this topic as much attention as possible, and will move it back to Suggestions. I hope devs one day actually give this topic, or even one suggestion in this topic, some attention. Given the small amount of support I'm getting, I think other players would actually appreciate it too if the devs implemented some of these ideas, but I'm too sure, so I'm trying to get attention for the thread to get more opinions. Thanks for paying attention to this topic, and pretty please, leave a comment if you agree with any of the suggestions. <3)

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This is just a thread about suggestions that are easy to implement, yet would be very helpful. I felt the need to make this thread, as the Suggestions board had some very practical suggestions in it, but they were drowned by topics that had unreasonable suggestions / sorts of suggestions that would probably never even be considered implemented.

Before you read the suggestions, not all of the suggestions are mine. I simply remember reading some from other topics, I'll give the people who made the suggestions credit, if I find who they are. Also, if you also have a logical suggestion that wouldn't be too hard to put in, please suggest it here. :)

NOTE: By the time you read this, hopefully you get the point but just in case: this is only for suggestions that fall under the two categories mentioned in the thread title. It's not a thread to suggest ideas that everyone would love even though it may take a while to put in, like a 5* Winmillion, or ideas that came out of nowhere like a new Tier 3 Gremlin Boss: King Tinkinzar.

If you support any of these ideas, please comment on the thread and kindly contribute, please! n.n

Created: 18 December 2011 - 2:52pm GMT. Added Suggestions 1 - 10. Dates of when I found the suggesters have not been recorded.
#EDIT 1: 31 December 2011 - 3:32pm GMT, after reply #18. Added Suggestion 11: Tabbed Chat by [Orangeo]
#EDIT 2: 31 December 2011 - 4:19pm GMT, after reply #21. Edited Suggestion 11 thanks to [Asukalanforum]
Changed the picture in Suggestion 11 to fit in [Asukalanforum]'s ideas and to fix my mistake of leaving out a Whisper tab.
#EDIT 3: 31 December 2011 - 5:48pm GMT, after reply #21. Edited Suggestion 11 again.
Uploaded a cropped printscreen of the chat system on RuneScape and linked it.
#EDIT 4: 4 January 2011 - 10:05am GMT, after reply #30. Added Suggestion 12: Manual Camera Rotation by [Protomaan].
Thanks to [Blue-Phaze] for pointing this suggestion out.

1) Full Inspect: Friends. Party Members. Guilds. No One. [Nicoya-Kitty]

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/36908

I'm not sure if that was the suggestion exactly, but the idea is, you get to choose what kind of people can actually inspect you, instead of simply having just 2 options: Not allow ANYONE, or allow EVERYONE to see exactly what you have equipped. I would imagine that, the text "Allow Full Inspect" would be a button, that drops a droplist with tickboxes for "Friends" "Party" "Guild", which would determine who could see your gear.

2) Shield Cover [Olivemancer]

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/32191
(Put into the mind, the links in the first post in the thread, showing that this is a VERY popular suggestion)

The actual suggestion was named 'Shield Costume' but then someone suggested the name 'Shield Cover' which others agreed on.
The suggestion was, letting people appear to be using a shield that they aren't actually using, mostly for the purpose of looking good in appearance.
For example, I can run into Firestorm Citadel with Icebreaker Helm and Blizzbreaker Armor as a costume, but I can't bring Blizzbreaker Shield to complete the costume without having a very weak shield.

3) Give True Love Lockets A Higher Health Bonus [Me]

I am actually not sure if the wiki is telling me the truth or not, but from the wiki tells me, and what in-game strangers tell me, Penta-Heart Pendants and True Love Lockets offer the same Health bonus (+6). I think it would appropriate to give True Love Lockets a +7 bonus to maximum health, or maybe even +8 given its rarity.

4) Krogmo Alchemy Machine Recipe Placement Organisation [Me]

The Trinkets in the Krogmo vendor are a bit muddled up when it comes to order. There's two bomb trinkets at the top, then a heart pendant, then two more bomb trinkets, two gun trinkets, three sword trinkets and two more gun trinkets etc. There isnt any order as to star rating or type of bonus or anything. I would recommend putting all the bomb trinkets on top, then all the gun trinkets together underneath it, then all the sword trinkets underneath that, and also putting the Elite modules either on top/bottom of their 4* versions. The heart pendants could either be at the top or bottom of the list, in order from worst to best, or the other way around. Two examples:

Example One:

Heart Pendant
Dual Heart Pendant
Tri-Heart Pendant
Tetra-Heart Pendant
Penta-Heart Pendant

Bomb Focus Module
Boom Module
Elite Bomb Focus Module
Elite Boom Module

Handgun Focus Module
Quick Draw Module
Trueshot Module
Elite Handgun Focus Module
Elite Quick Draw Module
Elite Trueshot Module

Slash Module
Sword Focus Module
Quick Strike Module
Elite Slash Module
Elite Sword Focus Module
Elite Quick Strike Module

^ Heart pendants on top, Bomb trinkets below that, Gun trinkets below that and Sword trinkets at the bottom. Elite modules are at the bottom of each "group" in this example, but there wouldn't be any real difference if they were on top either, and there also wouldn't be any real difference if the order of "groups" from top-to-bottom were different, eg; swords on top, guns middle, bomb bottom.

Example Two:

Boom Module
Elite Boom Module
Bomb Focus Module
Elite Bomb Focus Module

Handgun Focus Module
Elite Handgun Focus Module
Quick Draw Module
Elite Quick Draw Module
Trueshot Module
Elite Trueshot Module

Slash Module
Elite Slash Module
Quick Strike Module
Elite Quick Strike Module
Sword Focus Module
Elite Sword Focus Module

Heart Pendant
Dual Heart Pendant
Tri-Heart Pendant
Tetra-Heart Pendant
Penta-Heart Pendant

^ Just putting all the Elite modules below their 4* versions. like the first example, the order of "groups" wouldnt matter, and so wouldnt putting the elite modules above their 4* versions instead. Heart pendants have been shoved to the bottom of the list here, to prove I have godlike creativity.

5) Guild Notice [Me]

If you are in a Guild, whenever you log in, you'll get a small message in your chatbox. Guild Masters will be able to edit this notice. It will have a reasonable character limit (and by reasonable, I mean, somewhat small, to make sure it's not going to be huge and unnecessary). Probably somewhere around 150 - 200 characters. Or possibly more. Guild Masters will also be able to disable / activate the guild notice at will. To give you an estimate, I've randomly copy/pasted part of lyrics of a song.

"When they know they're your heart. And you know you wear that armour. And you will destroy anyone who would try to harm her. But what happens when karma, turns right around and bites you? And everything you stand for, turns on you to spite you?"

^ Characters, excluding spaces between words, amounts to 197.

6) Trade Tab Of The Energy Depot [Me]

When people purchase energy with crowns, there's the left side that says:

WANT ENERGY?
Current Offer: 7000cr~

Buy 100 Energy

and the right side that says:

WANT CROWNS?
Current Offer: 100 ce

Buy 6800cr~

I think the right side is silly. The offer is always going to say 100 ce, and the number that changes is the number on the buy button. I think the dynamic variable should be the big number on both sides. So I thought the devs should change it to:

WANT CROWNS?
Current Offer: 6800cr~

Sell 100 Energy

I think that would look a lot better and neater.

7) Featured Auctions Not Set As Auction House Default [Dirge-Knight]

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/36832

Simple. Many players simply don't want to see the Featured Auctions every time they check at the AH. Especially people that spend a lot of time checking at the AH for items and such. I think it would be more convenient if it would immediately show the player the "By Category" menu when they open up the AH window. Maybe make it so Featured Auctions show up first thing, only once a day to make sure every player knows what's going on in the Featured Auctions. People don't need to see that menu 10 times a day, 7 days a week to comphrehend that Scissor Blades are being sold for amounts of crowns they could only dream of.

8) Closed Event Hub By Default When Logging On [Asukalanforum]

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/36621

Simply put, there's a significant number of players that only find the Event Hub annoying. Sure, it's a creative feature that everyone liked, but it's not necessarily that amazing to the point where it's the first thing you want to see when you log on.

9) The Ability To Retain Heat After Leaving A Party [Mawashimono]

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/35640

It sucks when you go solo before a lift and realise you can't retain your heat. Even more so, when your Party Leader isn't the nicest guy around, and decides to kick you, making you lose all your heat for nothing.

10) A Visible Life Bar For Bosses [Tammytryhard]

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/34458

"Definitely with you on this one. Specifically for Vanaduke, it is hard to tell how hurt he is. Adding a life bar makes decisions to revive easier, since you know how far you have to go. Would be nice for the other bosses too." - Sarakos.

11) Tabbed Chat [Orangeo]

It would be VERY convenient for different types of chats to be in different tabs. This is probably the first MMO I've ever been in that doesn't have this feature. It really is important. And easy to implement. I kind of expect everyone would know what your average MMO chat tabs look like, but just in case, it would look something like this:

http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy322/HatsuneMikuTheVocaloid/Spiral%2...

Guild chat would include Officer chat. The Whisper tab to see the "/tells" you've received and sent. System would refer to system messages such as "You have been outbidded on Jelly Helm. You have been refunded 69 crowns." "You have new mail from the Auction House." "That player is currently offline." "You have received a friend request from Your-Mom." The + tab is a possible customisable tab. There is a scrollbar instead of buttons to the left. The top-right corner of the message box has an icon you can drag to resize the message box.

An alternative method of approaching this would be to make a chat system similar to RuneScape. This game, in my opinion, sucks. But the chat was very well designed. Here is a screenshot:

http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy322/HatsuneMikuTheVocaloid/RunesSca...

You see at the bottom, multiple tabs that can be selected either ON or OFF. Notice the yellow square around "Public" ? That means I have selected the Public tab and am now viewing only chat in public. The tab to the left, that says "All", displays all types of Chat that are ON. That means the messages I see in my chatbox include system messages (Game), public chat (Public), whispers (Private) and friends (Friends). I don't see any of the ones that are OFF, such as "Clan" which is clan chat.

12) Manual Camera Rotation [Protomaan]

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/38842

Just being able to rotate your camera would improve gameplay quality a fair bit in my opinion. So little work, so much gain. If you notice, you can see a lot more on the top half of the screen, than the bottom half of the screen. This is obviously because of the camera placement. This means we are always much more ready to handle an incoming enemy or projectile coming from the top half of the screen than the bottom. Players are always at risk of getting hit by a Trojan's charge, or a Retrode's laser, coming from barely out of the camera's display range, especially from the bottom. Offscreen issues like this can easily be fixed by giving the ability to rotate your camera, giving you an quick outlook on your immediate surroundings.

Asukalan's picture
Asukalan
Agree with all suggestions,

Agree with all suggestions, good job putting it in one place.

Uniquevariant's picture
Uniquevariant
i like them all

except the health bar for bosses. i like that "experience" comes into play here. when you are a newb to a boss, you have no idea. after you get good you are like "vana is nearly dead. I KNOW IT!!!"

otherwise, all the others are fantastic. and should be implemented sooner than later.

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Vincey
all fun :D

i think that the guild note suggestion and the re-organisation of the krogmo machine sound like really helpful ideas. ^_^
more tools to help keep track of guild stuff can only be a good thing

Vescrit's picture
Vescrit
These all seem good.

But like UV said. (lol abbreviations)

I'm not too keen on the Boss Health bars suggestion.

Mohandar's picture
Mohandar
For the trinkets and such,

For the trinkets and such, there is an option to Sort by Natural Order and Star Level, the same way you can sort your Arsenal and inventory. Not sure I like a visible life bar, but some more signs that a boss is ailing might be nice.
Also, I don't agree that True Love Lockets need to have an extra boost. The name is basically the bragging point, and along those lines, trinkets dropped by Love Puppies should all have unique names to set them apart (they can be used to craft upwards, but they'll lose their unique name). For example, Friendship Pendant for the 1*.

A last request to devs, when designing new content it would be nice if you take into account how much lag it might cause. Fire and brimstone, lightning and thunder and the works are spectacular, but no one is going to enjoy it if it causes them to run at 10FPS. A prime example is Darkfire Vanaduke. Dodging Carnavons and Slag Guards amid lava would be a highly enjoyable fight if it didn't involve a frame rate of ~10, and lag spikes whenever a lava fall occurred. As it stands, Red Roarmulus and Darkfire Vanaduke have tons of frustrating sections simply because it is difficult to impossible to maintain a decent framerate. This may be a fundamental limitation of the system (Internet, Java) you are working with, but if that's the case, you need to take that into account when designing new content.

Nacho's picture
Nacho
Yo Watermelon-Soda why my my

Yo Watermelon-Soda why my my cows idea isnt here?

Myllakka's picture
Myllakka
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+1 to all of these, especially the Event Hub one. I hate that thing and wish we could have an option to disable it (actually, privacy/anonymity settings was suggested for that, and I think it'd be a good option too). I wish the Event Hub wasn't so broken, either. It says "past 7 days" for crowns and levels, but it actually updates every day.

The inspect options is really neat too. I haven't thought of that, but I've always been annoyed at people who won't let you see their gear in Clockworks, especially people who don't say anything when you ask if they've got Shiver or Blitz in FSC. >:

Xairathan's picture
Xairathan
+9001

I agree with all of this, especially a health bar. It's annoying when that guy you didn't know was a 3* keeps on yelling "Rev! We're almost there!"

Iyashi's picture
Iyashi
Agree with all!

Agree with all!

Zangetsu's picture
Zangetsu
+1

I agree. Especially on the last one.

Furm
i agree

i agree good work soda :D

Cleverpun's picture
Cleverpun
Seconded on all of them,

Seconded on all of them, especially the event hub and costume shield ones

Memento's picture
Memento
I am memento

and I approve of this thread

Ewbte's picture
Ewbte
10) A Visible Life Bar For

10) A Visible Life Bar For Bosses [Tammytryhard]
-1, or only like an option like damage showing.

Absolutely don't understand the pros of it. What will it give to you? I like that this game is free off damage showing and health bars above every creature.
Clearly see the battlefield - it's wonderful.

Fallenhope's picture
Fallenhope
about that last suggestion.

rather than having a permanent life bar, how bout making an option about the visibility of the life bar?

Aula's picture
Aula
#10 -1

If a health bar needs to be shown towards bosses, then everyone will want health bars for the rest of the enemies.

@Fallenhope: That is a good idea. It may be difficult to impliment, but it is a good idea nonetheless.

Pepperonius's picture
Pepperonius
Fantastic Ideas

1) Full Inspect: Friends. Party Members. Guilds. No One. [Nicoya-Kitty]

Absolutely a great idea. For obvious reasons.

2) Shield Cover [Olivemancer]

I'm impartial, but i can see the use.

3) Give True Love Lockets A Higher Health Bonus

Absolutely. With the ability to craft penta heart pendants, this devalues the true love ones, simply because +1 difference isnt enough for me to drop a boatload of crowns or CE on it.

4) Krogmo Alchemy Machine Recipe Placement Organisation

Please, Please, Please do this.

5) Guild Notice

Once again, please do this. As an add on, the ability to send mail to all guild members would be key (even if only available to officers and GM.) i often need to send out group mail, and i can't. I spend easily an hour mesaging each of my 70+ guild members, and frankly, i could be killing Vana.

6) Trade Tab Of The Energy Depot

Meh, i'm impartial.

7) Featured Auctions Not Set As Auction House Default [Dirge-Knight]

Sounds good to me.

8) Closed Event Hub By Default When Logging On [Asukalanforum]

I can certainly see the value in that for several players.

9) The Ability To Retain Heat After Leaving A Party [Mawashimono]

I didn't even realize that you lost the heat. this is a must, please.

10) A Visible Life Bar For Bosses [Tammytryhard]

I'm a fan of this one. Yeah, i have a good idea of what health he's at, but i like the health bar. I've always been a fan.

All great ideas, i would add one more request: Gunners and Bombers do not have specific shields. Swordmen get the damage bonus shield, can we not have a variant for gunners and bombers?

Secondly, gunners are the only class without a fire status resist on one of the armor options. I currently need a UV to properly run FSC in gunner gear without fear of 9 tics of fire. I would love for the Nameless set as a bonus to have fire resist, or a new set. Just a thought.

Effrul's picture
Effrul
I've said it before and I'll

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I am totally, totally against HP bars for bosses, or any enemy for that matter. The current system forces players to learn and react to the actual behaviour of a boss, and keeps tension high by not giving a precise idea as to how much hurt it can still take. It's more respectful to player intelligence than an analogue readout stating "this guy is x hits from death."

You will never get rid of the Featured Auctions being the AH default. These are special one-time offers of such outrageous value that they can't help but drive up Three Rings' CE income as players sell off their stash for the requisite crowns. You might as well ask your local supermarket to take down their special offer ads because you're sick of looking at them when you just want to buy some bread.

Watermelon-Soda's picture
Watermelon-Soda
@Effrul

I've suggested to only display Featured Auctions first thing once a day. And that wouldn't mean you could only see Featured Auctions just once a day either.

Watermelon-Soda's picture
Watermelon-Soda
Bump.

Added an 11th suggestion. Opinions? And anyone who hasn't read the OP yet, please do so. ;3

Asukalan's picture
Asukalan
A more expanded Tabbed Chat =

A more expanded Tabbed Chat = Tabs, Scrollbar instead of buttons, ability to make a tab for conversation with certain player instead of /reply or /tell, ability to create custom tabs like /join trade,guild,player1,player2 to create a tab with msg just from trade, guild and from 2 certain players. Also ability to expand chat window.

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/38392

http://i39.tinypic.com/15oj6ah.png

Aemicus's picture
Aemicus
+1

All of these are amazing!

Skyber's picture
Skyber
+1

All of these suggestions are good.

Watermelon-Soda's picture
Watermelon-Soda
Ahem.

Bump for attention, I really feel this topic needs to be hammered through the dev's heads.

Blue-Phaze's picture
Blue-Phaze
Protomaan suggested a

Protomaan suggested a rotating camera:
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/38842
Quite easy to implement and would open lots of possibilities on gameplay.

Alice-In-Pyroland's picture
Alice-In-Pyroland
Regarding the health bar

Regarding the health bar suggestion, like damage numbers make it something that can be turned on/off in options. See health for enemies or not, not all of us want to see health bars or numbers obsctructing the screen, although I don't see any reason not to add it if it could be optional. Similarly a way to turn off the HUD entirely would be nice.

Nijijvr's picture
Nijijvr
The only thing i disagree with is

The only thing I don't like on this list is one part of the guild message. It is that only guild masters can change it and since I am an officer and I am a person who informs people of events and i don't think that my guild would want to promote to a guild master for one function. Everything else on the list was perfect.-Thank you for reading.

Blue-Phaze's picture
Blue-Phaze
I really think this should

I really think this should stay on the first page.

Nacho's picture
Nacho
You should add cows to the

You should add cows to the list

Asukalan's picture
Asukalan
No! Cows are religiously

No! Cows are religiously inappropriate!

Watermelon-Soda's picture
Watermelon-Soda
Thanks Blue-Phaze!

Added Suggestion 12: Manual Camera Rotation.

Blue-Phaze's picture
Blue-Phaze
No problem ;) Some guys were

No problem ;)
Some guys were saying that a rotating camera wouldn't work D: ...
Then I suggested a zooming camera. Just read that thread again, you'll get it.

Blue-Phaze's picture
Blue-Phaze
http://forums.spiralknights.c

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/23193#comment-246419
Hey, Soda, rage knight was talking about this lag prediction system. I don't know if this would be easy enough to implement, but it looks decent. You might want to check it out.

And don't forget to re-check that camera rotation thread, I'm afraid there's a problem with it...

Asukalan's picture
Asukalan
So, we got first game update

So, we got first game update (or even second, not sure) where all our easy to implement ideas were completly ignored, while we got stuff that was unwanted and we got and extra bugs.

Not sure how it looks for you, but for me its obvious, they ignore us.

Fallenhope's picture
Fallenhope
bump, coz this is a good

bump, coz this is a good thread

Ztype's picture
Ztype
@Watermelon-Soda

Sorry I made a thread very similar to yours without even knowing. Please copy all the ideas from my thread - http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/39411.

Blue-Phaze's picture
Blue-Phaze
I feel the urge of bumping

I feel the urge of bumping this thread, once again. I can't stand seeing it on the second page <.<

Nacho's picture
Nacho
Cows please

Cows please

Blue-Phaze's picture
Blue-Phaze
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CXF
Dirge-Knight's picture
Dirge-Knight
+1

I feel #12 (Camera Rotation) may prove difficult to program... Even so, I would like to see this happen!
This is a great list!

Watermelon-Soda's picture
Watermelon-Soda
@Dirge-Knight

I hear all it takes it shoving in some already-made scripts. possibly more than that, but from what i hear, its apparently quite easy.

Also, Blue-Phaze, thanks for the link, I've actually thought about that a lot too. But the thing is, I'd imagine it would be hard to make.
A more logical approach to the situation is to make the client only show whats ACTUALLY happening according to the server.
But that would also be hard to make.

Haematite's picture
Haematite
1) Full Inspect Sure. No harm

1) Full Inspect
Sure. No harm whatsoever.

2) Shield Cover
Im not that vain of a person myself, but I wouldnt mind this. But where do you draw the line. Weapon costumes??

3) Give True Love Lockets A Higher Health Bonus
Dont really know much about the lockets so i cant say

4) Krogmo Alchemy Machine Recipe Placement Organisation
Cant really hurt anything, so why not

5) Guild Notice
Never been in a guild. So i wouldnt know. Wouldnt hurt to have the option

6) Trade Tab Of The Energy Depot
Its never been that big of a problem for me

7) Featured Auctions Not Set As Auction House Default
Again, not a problem

8) Closed Event Hub By Default When Logging On.
I like the hub personally. But if people dont like it, have the option to leave it off by default. A simple tick box would work.

9) The Ability To Retain Heat After Leaving A Party
Cant this be exploited then?

10) A Visible Life Bar For Bosses
A no from me. Although i would like to see more signs about the bosses health, life bars arent the solution.

Squishat's picture
Squishat
:D Nice suggestions Please add these.

1) Hot key for Gate Maps

2) Hot key for toggling auto-target on/off for strategic reasons in LD and clockworks.

Also this really needed to be bumped :D

Blue-Phaze's picture
Blue-Phaze
haha, at some points in the

haha, at some points in the game I was REALLY annoyed by the lack of a gate map hotkey and I never remembered to suggest it here :D +1 for you, Squishat
Hotkey for auto target could have its uses too. +1 as well.

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/37932#comment-249524
New auction house time, for easier prediction.

Blue-Phaze's picture
Blue-Phaze
Pointing out once

Pointing out once more:
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/39769
Simple fix for a disconnection issue.

Blue-Phaze's picture
Blue-Phaze
I saw this some time ago and

I saw this some time ago and just remembered to point it out:
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/39149
Making wasted heat always usefull, but not overpowered.

...You should check your threads more often, Soda '-'

Nacho's picture
Nacho
MOO!! Cows would be a great

MOO!!
Cows would be a great addition to the game

Blue-Phaze's picture
Blue-Phaze
QUACK!!!! So would

QUACK!!!!
So would ducks...
Haven's fountain needs ducks.

Watermelon-Soda's picture
Watermelon-Soda
.

Devs don't even pay attention, let alone leave a single reply to this thread after 20 days. I think I give up.

Blue-Phaze's picture
Blue-Phaze
Please, don't.

I know it's been like 7 months since an Admin last posted in the suggestion forums, but I received a GM message yesterday when I logged in the game (regarding foul language...) and that makes me believe they do read our threads. Otherwise they wouldn't know I've said some words.
You've compiled 12 great suggestions in a single thread, I won't let this die... If it does, I'll just create another, just like yours. I still hope you'll update your OP with new suggestions.
You can move this to General Discussion and move it back here leaving a shadow copy there, for more attention.

btw I found an old but quite interesting thread:
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/37651
Left handed look for knights. Only needs to mirror models.