Some people have pointed out that opening the core doesn't necessarily have to mean the end of spiral knights, we have no idea what is inside the core and a simple plot twist could solve that problem, It doesn't even have to be too elaborate since we're in a fictional world, Almost anything would work.

Besides there is some npc and I believe that it was vaelyn that said it (not too sure though) that the core seemed to be more like a cage to keep something locked in rather than protecting it, it is dead obvious that they're suggesting that what is inside the core is an evil and very powerful creature and something or someone locked it in there.

I would love it if opening the core is part of the supposedly upcoming arcade redux, it is something the players have been dreaming about since the beginning of this game.

I do know what echo stones are, But I only have one of them, the gloaming wildwoods one, only went once to craft some snarbolax armor and the second time a free invite from a friend of mine, I have not gone into Shadow lairs ever since because I hate fake difficulty and the other armors were trash anyways, I'd only go to a shadow lair if I got a free invite because I wouldn't pay a single dime to go there again. I play games for fun, not for the profit and some virtual coins, so I have no real reason to get into a shadow lair.

Still, as I said before, A simple plot twist is all it takes, so core openning... go.

I have just taken a look at them, I have no Idea why you think that it would be a bad idea to open the core, if anything, reading these stones convinced me even more that opening the core would be the greatest thing of all time, and it also makes me wonder why are you so close minded about it.

It doesn't even need a plot twist as it stands, we open the core and this being inside it, so what? we instantly say go OH... K we can all go home now guys game over and pat ourselves on the back? the swarm is still out there, we're still stuck on this planet without any means of getting out, we still need that "great source of energy" to save Isora.

Even if this being would be the signal that attracted knights to this planet and it would indeed posses great power it doesn't mean that this architect and his swarm will just be instantly vanished , since the stones mention the swarm consuming literally everything and growing more powerful, INFINITELY more powerful.

long story short, we opened the core and we have to join forces with this being to combat this swarm and it's architect to prevent it from consuming the entire world, knights included.

Really I don't even know why I had to come up with something like this to show you that opening the core doesn't mean the end of the game when it is so easy to see that it's not if you just have a slight bit of imagination and comprehension.

Now for something completely different, after reading the UFSC stone, It makes me think that vog himself might have something to do with this swarm, since theres a lot of hints that indicate that the kingdom of Almire was destroyed by a fire entity like Vog cubs or even Vog himself. And the rest of the things that it mentions the swarm has consumed makes me thing of the harvester(Memories of the dead) and the owlites VS kats (Good and Evil)

well now look at this thread, Completely derailed,destroyed and full of spoilers, you see the things you get me into vohtarak? >_>

The source of energy isn't to repair the Skylark, it is to save isora, you know, that thing that the Skylark crew came to cradle for in the first place ? if we were trying to just repair the skylark and go home with empty hands we'd have friggin done that already, did you at least bother to read the things I wrote?

Why does it have to be that opening the core instantly means that we're getting the source of power to save Isora? if what it is inside the core is this being with immense power, do you think that it'll just be "like yeah take dis power save yer plaeenet" and we just get to go away like "yeeeh thx for the visit cya later bros, nvm me i'll just be here chillin and getting killed by this swarm npnp".

I am not repeating why the opening the core doesn't have to mean the end of the game, that is a very false and ridiculous statement, it would be the ending if OOO wants it to, but they can make it so it is not, I've already given you an example with my post, what else do you need? you literally need for me to go and open your eyes for you?

I'm getting the feeling that you are just disagreeing with the idea of opening the core just because you don't like it or you're just trolling me, in any case I won't waste any more time in this senseless discussion, I'm DONE, my truth is there in the posts I wrote, you can take it or leave it... or die.

Then What is your problem with opening the core anyways? Since you've not corrected me in my previous 2 posts I assumed that my guess was right.

Even if the thing in the core was trying to help us I doubt that an order of knights would leave this being to deal alone with the swarm or maybe it could be unable to help us because of the swarm.

Will you say it already and stop playing around, or are you scared of looking stupid after saying it.

Vohtarak you sneaky trollmaster son of a gun!! XD

Iiiiiii knew you couldn't be serious about it, Nice troll m8, 66/6, you owned me this time.

And remember kids, whenever you lose, it always is because they were the best around.

Then What is your problem with opening the core anyways?

Clever, act like you didn't know what I was asking you.

wow, you really want me to say it will end the game dont you?

edit: I wasn't asking what the question was, I was asking what answer did you want

I was following you there Aviri until you decided to throw Oohnorak out the window because you two are disagreeing.

As for the core, opening it doesn't necessarily mean the energy is going to leap out immediately and make our ship flex and take off. No, it might be glowing with energy but that doesn't mean it's able to be harvested, or even obtained. As knights, we're trying to get into the core because we think it will solve our problems. Getting there and learning it doesn't, or it does but will take time leaves the game open for as long as Three Rings wants. Heck, after opening the core we could have Gremlins hear about it and try to sabotage our operations, making the core its own "limited time event" until the gremlins successfully close it again. Not that we need any more events like that, but it would make sense in terms of lore at least.

10/10

I said you threw him out the window as a metaphor for not listening to him anymore and calling him a troll because he has a thought he's not going to stop thinking. Saying "omg ur a troll so funny 10/10" won't get your argument any stronger. Oohnorak may be hardheaded, but they're by no means a troll.

And the response was to "Will you say it already and stop playing around, or are you scared of looking stupid after saying it", where "it" is loosely defined. He's asking what you mean by "say it", and then stating that if he believes what "it" is then he would've already said it.

And about this thread's derail, welcome to general discussion. If you want a more level-headed approach to fixing something I'd recommend making a new thread in the suggestions subforum where we discuss the pros and cons of just about everything with minimal to small amounts of derailing.

First off, I believe that the core can opened under the right circumstances and not end the game.

Second, I had to reread several posts to figure out what the "it" was. You're referring to opening the core not ending the game, right? If not I'm lost on where your argument is going.
I sort of wipe my brain after I leave a thread and rereading or skimming walls of text is not exactly a fun skill to practice.

Third, Oohnorak is attempting to figure out what you're saying, not ignore or troll you. From a third perspective, Oohnorak says "opening the core is a big mistake," which you interpret as "opening the core will end the game". There's bickering between you two as Oohnorak tries to figure out why you claim he says the game will end, and you argue that opening the core would be a great way to advance the story of us knights on Cradle. You two are on completely different tracks and yelling across the tracks.

I see your argument and I agree with it - opening the core opens a lot of opportunities. However I also see how you treating a fellow forumer with such malice over something that they didn't even say. Those sorts of dirty tricks are for politicians, not internet forums.

Primarily the malice bit was your statement that pretty much said "either agree with me or leave... or go die". Not something that should be taken lightly.

Looking at the facts above, he never once said that opening the core ends the game lore. He said it was a bad idea. Initially I interpreted his words as meaning it would be bad for the knights on cradle, not for game design, but I'm not Oohnorak, so I can't say what he meant by that. It looks like you interpreted it as a bad thing for design. Either way the rest of this thread happened.
You also assume that the reader understands your every word. From what you're written, I only think I'm interpreting your words about 25% of what you mean. But that's because I not only read into words, but also their writer. Your writing style says much more than the words you post on this thread.
I'm not taking Oohnorak under my wing. I have no obligation to step in other than you're being a bully and I'm asking you to stop. It wouldn't matter who you were talking down to, be an adult and be reasonable

Now are you going to make this about you, or about the game? If you want to talk about how offended you are then I don't need to hear it. If you want to talk about the core opening, how it could happen, and what good it would do... Well actually that's something that should go on another thread. If you want to talk about that go ahead and either bump an old thread or make a new one. This thread itself should probably find its way to the graveyard soon, as the second page has become a sort of black hole of text.
If you decide you have a beef with me, just send me a mail in-game. It would be better to throw words around in private and not clutter the forum with unnecessary and irrelevant posts. When I get online next I'll make sure to respond.

I don't mind these threads getting a bit off topic, because I've already seen and discussed this issue for around... a year and a half now, almost. This is a bit too off topic for my liking however. Perhaps the last 29-30 comments could be deleted out of the thread, so that it is underailed or rerailed, whichever you prefer? The topic is at least still somewhat valid for discussion, as the recent influx of guns has brought about some new discussion and the radiant drought is still around, and I'd hate to see it banned from conversation purely because of this one argument.

@Fangel- If you decide you have a beef with me, just send me a mail in-game.

I would love to have a beef with you, Fangel! That sounds delicious, when shall we go for it and what form of beef were you thinking? Perhaps a hamburger, would be a good form for the beef that we purchase to be consumed in.

And yes, I'll send you mail in-game too.

a repeated for the 50 thousandth time topic and an entire page filled with a discussion that turned horribly wrong, I think that this entire thread should be canned anyway.

I like your suggestion about making crystals only drop in their according stratum, people would still have to get past the shinings to get radiants, but at least this is allows a more precise way farming instead of the mess we have now, you should consider making a thread for this in the suggestions forum and not in this stained thread maybe, you're in general discussion after all, derailing is a common coin around these lands.

ok back, what did I miss?

shinings drop in d26-28 too actually
they literally appear in half the clockworks
I agree they need a fix sorry for going off topic

exerpa, you forgot "heat the slow way and taking hundreds of years" and "pray the RNG some slime arenas pop up in T3 arcade" and "go do some slime T3 missions that give around 1/3 of the heat of FSC".

I was talking with one of my guild member friends last night and we were talking about heating our weapons. I still have almost 30+ weapons and gear left to heat. Some of those items have been unheated since 2013 when the radiant drought began in October. So we got into an argument about how radiants are fine the way they drop (rarely on 25-26, and halfway decent on 27-28 but still mixed with 4* crystals). He says that's okay though, and really all you have to do is wait for a Stratum 6 arena, bring some alt accounts and loop certain levels.

But that's the thing! Why should it come to this where we are forced to farm only certain levels and bypass the system? This isn't extending the gameplay in a positive manner. The argument that rads should only drop in S6 is poor, since we still get 5* orbs from Stratum 3 and up. I mean look at this!

http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/30728136167368036/71CF79205BDF5C614B...

453 crystals per 5* item x (too many items too count) = abysmal endgame.

I'm sick and tired of these time wasting tactics.

If they can "adjust" them once to lower them to at least depth 25, why are they holding out for well over a year?

tech, i think leaving eternal orbs in stratum 6 is fine
I personally have way too many but I see people who complain a lot

what if you could craft upwards for radiants?

ie glowings into shinings, shinings into radiants.

seems like the smartest thing to do and would appease the hordes. What goes up must come down etc.

dont bump an obviously dead thread