Nj isn't responsible him/herself for the raise lol (was kidding on the [lovely] medal of course). I think his/her post was actually created before the crafting costs were even updated. That time there was just no harm in it. But I think some might have misinterpretated what was the point of raising CE price, and that maybe I say, there were limits not to cross.

/e gives Eurydice a bar of soap.

Yeah, I think we should raise the price of CE. With any luck, we should be able to force the complainers to leave.

This thread is a madhouse

These forums are a madhouse. FTFY.

But the trolls and whiners are usually easy enough to ignore.

@JXPedroza
If it means no more people going "OMG THREE RINGS IS KILLING SPIRAL KNIGHTS WITH RISING CE PRICES BECAUSE THEY'RE EVIL MONEY-GRUBBING PEOPLE!" then that's a sacrifice I'm willing to handle.

Those of you intentionally manipulating the market and rising the prices of CE are MORONS, you are killing the game with your shenanigans.

You should be banned, all of you, permanently.

Yes price manipulation is a form of scamming, OOO should take this view and take action against those using manipulation practices.

My view is not ignorant. Your way of "maximizing profits" is artificially raising the prices of a specific commodity and collaborating with others to do so. This is called price fixing and is illegal in certain jurisdictions. People are angry about the increased prices, but still shell out the crowns because CE is a commodity that is essential to their gameplay. If the increase in price was a natural one, fewer people would be angry, but the increase isn't natural, it is a result of people artificially raising the price.

I have thousands of CE - I will only sell for 20k per 100 or higher PST in game please.

If you allow me, the market currently makes me think of common abuse of online auction webstores real classical abuses, which consist in bidding your own offer to make it more profitable. At the only exception people dont genuinely do that: they buy CE and resell it more expensive. But that's pretty much the same kind of Dirty manipulation, if you don't mind the play with words.
Point is I think, what would you (randomly Dirt) say if every phone operator decided to give a 50% increase on all their offer, on a common agreement because people would STILL have to pay for that, just pay more, because they couldn't do else?
I think you're the one lacking judgement; more precisely, you seriously lack of empathy. Your opinion on the problem is quite narrow.

The comparison of Price Walling to 'anonymously bidding on your own auction to drive up the price' is basically spot on. Well said, Thoran. Why this sort of action is generally conceived of being unseemly or wrong, in the case of the Energy Market in Spiral Knights the naysayers are correct when they say there is no rule/law/consequence in Spiral Knights that states a player is not allowed to "maximize" profit in this way. Indeed the way the market is currently set up it in fact encourages this sort of profiteering.

OOO ought to really consider some alterations to the Energy Market. Adding a listing fee, making bids permanent, something to add actual risk when playing the Energy Market. Because there are no consequences in doing so as the Market functions now.

Well don't misunderstand empathy with sympathy. Let me explain: I'm playing for free (though I got a pretty decent gear and can sustain even with the current CE price-I decided not to pay for market energy as for now) so I can understand quite well how market is being critical to us and especially the way it is controlled. I actually do feel empathy for the CE sellers; I've said it sometimes ago, we might say CE price is crazy lately, both buyers and sellers found rights and wrongs concerning those 2 ends: making CE expensive and making CE cheap. But indeed I don't agree with the current point of view of the sellers who contributes to making the price raise, as for them, you could say I don't feel any simpathy. As for the sellers (heroes I call them) who are trying to create price walls, working hard on trying to reason the other sellers, I comply them, I feel simpathy. Trust me, you don't especially have to feel more than empathy towards the noisiest complainers. As for me I'm like neutral with a small bending on the complainers' side.
So I can't tell you much convincing words on why should we side with buyers, because I myself don't really know. There are sticks in the b. on both sides obviously, needless to name those on the buyers' side; unfortunately the sellers are more anonymous.
I have to watch my language because again I got a warning for saying a no-no word. Political-correctness doesn't matter much in my country, its hard getting used to it here.

Although I do agree that complaining too much is unnecessary, I think artificially raising the price because people still pay is wrong because you're paying for something that you need. You could play on Mist Energy which only limits you to the Jelly King then because you want to maximize your profits. Although I am acting hypocritical because I do Jelly King a lot anyways, it feels like a grind fest after a while because it's not really unique at all. And I do know that CE sellers will try to get the most from their CE since all you can do is buy recipes.

@ Dirt. You know it's happening, you just get your jollies coming on here pretending like you don't. So quit playing dumb and at least man up to it.

Note: I am a paying player.

My best friend (who's a P2P) and I (who am F2P) joined this game together, and we've had a lot of discussions on this. The one thing most paying players forget is that this game relies on BOTH its P2P and its F2P players. They both give value to the game and provide services:

F2P players provide time. They sell this time, in the form of mats, recipes, and crowns, to P2P players in exchange for energy. If the game had only P2P, the population would be miniscule compared to now, and the price of all mats and recipes would be much higher and harder to acquire. Buying energy would only be used to play in the clockworks and as a currency for transmutes: there would be far less demand for energy, so there would be no quick path to riches by selling it.

P2P players provide energy. This is the obvious one that most people focus on and needs little explanation. Without P2P players, the population wouldn't be much smaller, but there would be far fewer people playing at any given time due to mist energy being the only thing players played on.

In short, P2P players are what keeps this game alive, but F2P players are the ones that make buying energy worthwhile for P2P ones.

Additionally, keep in mind that most players start this game F2P, and if they like it, may become P2P. If the cost of energy too high, new players cannot get into the swing of the game and quit. New players are the true lifeblood of the game, and that's the real issue at work here: the high energy cost is crippling this game's potential for growth.

Overall it just boils down to needing a) a couple massive crownsinks for end-game players to care about, like 5* recrafting for UVs or aesthetic ornamentation/outfits, and b) some regulation to end market manipulation, such as a listing fee for buying/selling energy similar to the AH.

this is really unfair! parties are dyeing(as if they weren't dead already) mostly soloing at times. T^T man your killing all the fun of the social aspect of SK.

Double post.

Your Logic is flawed. P2P players like myself are using energy for upgrading. No need to sell it as we run through clockworks on mist. I make items with CE then sell some of those items. I have no need to sell CE! I used to, but now its used for everything and a rare thing to have.. I will hold onto it for now as most others are. This is what is raising prices(Low Supply and High Demand), not someone who is manipulating the market. So people who have the CE, well they have the power now.

Without P2P Players, f2p people would not be able to craft past 3* equipment. Long live High CE prices! I don't need to buy it!

I sure don't. Why would I be facetious about it?

To be a honest.

YOU'RE THE WORST PLAYER I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY ENTIRE EXPERIENCE OF PLAYING SPIRAL KNIGHTS. If only we were allowed to speak foul language I should've said it now. But were not allowed. I respect rules.

You're a person who has all 5-star gears, with trinket slots full of heart pendants , weapon slots full of 5-star gear, 121937 CE and one bagillion crowns that has NO, not even a single ounce of care for the other people around you. For the people around the world who ARE NOT IN THE UNITED STATES and have DIFFERENT CURRENCY instead of dollars. You're lucky you're there and you can spend all of your $$$$$$$$$$ on CE. You people boast your stuff and make other people look inferior as you think you're sooooo awesome, you're soooo epic and think you're one of the BEST. But you're not.

Some.... MOST of us find difficulty in trading REAL money for an in-game CE. Because we have the Philippine peso, the chinese whatcha-callem's or the Vietnamese vietnam currency whatevaaaaaa.

Now you walk in here and counter people who find difficulty over the skyrocketing CE prices. And you feel " Hahahahahahahahahahahaha LAWL " because of posting this thread. Of course many people will hate that. D:< But you don't seem to care about the newbies, the poor and the nubs. You only care about you and all your DUDES who are 'cool' , 'awesome' and 'pro'.

Eat those words. I don't give a crown what the next reply will be. I'm making a FREAKING STAND against this.
/conversation
/prescence in the thread

Screw it, prices aren't going to go down. Just raise ce to 25k so's I can collect ma recipes.

blitzkrieg47's post should have ended this thread, I think I need to screen shot it. all I know is Im buying up CE now so I can sell when it hits 10k! :P