At this point.. I'm hoping for that.

And more.

:)

Argent/Senteza changes sound pretty good to me now that gremlins don't dodge everything, but maybe introduce a piercing line simply because it would be odd for the antigua to switch elements and never refer to piercing again. I liked the idea of making the charge attack for them fire only the Owl/Phoenix.

Radiant Sun Shards- Should go pure elemental to be a unique damage elemental bomb and hopefully you could add a *5 version keep the damage buff too

Ionized Salt Bomb- I would like to see it scrapped and redone honestly maybe it could be the only pure shadow damge based bomb to contrast with the sun shards other than that add a *5 version and change the name. I would use them and they would be infinitely better than a piercing bomb designed to kill slimes.

Are definitely needed.

I'll be soo happy if this goes through. When I first started I was soo excited to get my antigua, I eventually leveled and crafted it up to an argent peacemaker hoping it would bloom into a powerful weapon. It was my first 5 star, but ended up just being thrown in my trunk.

So if this goes through I'll have my elemental weapon for my arsenal and I'll be very happy, I might even start up a Sentenza.

i would either like the RSS untouched, or turned to reg elemental damage... cant really use piercing effectively on shards cause beasts dodge :/ ... and fiends... well.. devilites and silkwings and greavers.. are hard to hit

I got the Anigua for Fiends. If the wepons lose Pierce damage I'm out of luck as the alternative ranged weapons come with a heavy movement penalty, correct? For pure Element/Shadow damage there is always the Alchemer line of wepons to use. There are other's too. I'll probably use both use Silversix and Blackhawk in the future if they remain split damage. I read somewhere about the last part of charge attack doing pure damage, what's up with that?

With the Sun Shards, I've seen many people use it versus both Fiends and Undead, even some Constructs! I always wanted to try that out too, but if things change I'll never get my chance. Anyway what is with the Rock Salt Bomb's bonus versus Slimes, does that counter the fact they resist it's Pierce damage? If it does, it's a projectile bomb vs all types of monsters.

These weapons have their uses as is. Since there are a good few pure types out there already, they give players alternitavies to those and some versatility in the clockworks. This may have been stifled a bit whenever a player could change their loadout at the start of most areas, but that system sure does help in keeping organized! Players whould still have to level up several different weapons to out do one of these weapons, and not every one can play that much. So having a odd or special niche of weaopns like these can be a big help to a number of people still.

If someone is still looking to help these weapons, or any other weapon that seems underwhelming to some, try and see what can be done to the amount of damage they do. Maybe this will make them more appealing to those people.

All in all, I don't mind if these weapons do a bit less damage the pure damage types, I'll still use them as is. As long as I can have fun in a variety of situations, rather than use this weapon versus this enemy type and only this enemy type. This all about the bonus citical damage anyway right?

Could we instead make the Argent Peacemaker a pure Piercing gun (with a bonus against Beasts or Fiends) instead of Elemental? Then release a different Antigua-styled gun for elemental-weak monsters?

Most gunners who got the Argent already have gotten it for Firestorm Citadel (due to its speed and power over Lord Vanaduke) and would suffer a damage drop while fighting him if their gun was turned into pure Elemental.

I suggest the bonus be made against beasts instead of fiends because "argent" means "silver" (keeping in line with werewolf lore, the silver bullets would kill animalistic monsters easier).

(Admittedly, I hear the dual-damage guns are good for PVP as they are, but I can't speak from experience.)

I think Sentenza should be pure shadow with dmg bonus to slimes, not gremlins. This is because gremlins will dodge our bullets, making it hard for sentenza users to take out gremlins as fast as an acheron or gran faust. Slimes on the other hand, have no instinct of dodging bullets, making gunning mobs of jellies a piece of cake! This will also benefit the death of jk faster due to fast, type advantage and dmg bonus to slimes benfits so we get more jelly gems!!!! Besides, everyone who hates the Glacius/Combuster line would always want a DA! And nobody can deny that gf is the greatest shadow weapon of all time except for dps

Please take time to look through this and not call me a noob-that-gets-killed by-jk-until-he's-broke-idiot, ok?

Thx!

@Moltakthegreat Wouldn't the high speed of the antigua bullets hit dodging gremlins anyway? Wait, what's the brandish and sealed lines got to do with this? Hmm, have you tried using GF in a room full of demo gremlins? Sure, theyre good against slimes, but even gremlin menders can walk out of the range of your first swing. I prefer Acheron for gremmies instead(not that I have one, yet). Gunning JK? Just whack him with your Gran Faust :P

I support you Merethif! :D

The point is, these guns have lower damage because they are ridiculously easy to use- six shot clip means always being able to throw your shield up, never reloading, and run 'n gun. I would argue the damage is a little too low, but converting to pure-type would result in them edging into other guns' niches. The easiest solution, as I mentioned earlier, is to buff their base damage, and possibly give them a bonus against the types they're intended for use against (in lore, at least).

The description of the Antigua also suggests split piercing- these guns fire physical projectiles infused with some additional element, rather than firing pure energy bolts (like Pulsars, Alchemers, Catalyzers). Therefore, changing them to be pure typed would also be against canon (and turn them into spam-cannons). I prefer to be armed with canon. :P

If i were to ever use Sentenza/Argent Peacemaker it would be only if they made them shadow/normal and elemental/normal respectively, would make the so much nice and cover the rather low base damage with the ability of handling "neutral" to them monsters.

If the Sentenza/AP were to be changed, then they would do a lot more damage to their certain families. This would make the gun dominant, and it would be like the DA all over again (in the bad ways). Everyone would insist that you are not pro if you do not have one and could even kick you because you do not have one. Then the GMs would jump in and nerf them, causing an outrage to those who have the gun.

I think that there is a minor flaw in this particular dual damage choice. Having one of the special damage in both guns be piercing meant that both guns would always do subpar damage to constructs and slimes. That would be a fine tradeoff except that projectiles aren't a good way to deal with fiends and beasts, at least in a party setting.

If the guns were any other type of split damage it wouldn't have been a flaw, e.g. Shadow/Elemental with Shadow/Piercing, or Elemental/Shadow with Elemental/Piercing. The former pair favoring slimes/gremlins and the latter favoring constructs/undead... all of which are great targets for a gun.

I got here late, apparently, but that doesn't stop me from posting what I think that should be the best for all that has been presented from devs. I based some of my points on the suggestions from the other people here.

While I think it's a tremendous good idea to remove piercing from Sentenza and Argent Peacemaker, something very odd has happened, which is: both guns don't follow its original 3* element, which is Antigua, a Piercing gun. I don't know if this has been suggested or not in this thread, since there are way too many posts here and I'm not willing to read them all, but devs should consider the "Snarbolax Gun" suggestion and add a 3rd Antigua line that deals Piecing Damage. I think the weapon would look really good, specially if it was Black colored with details in Red. Much like White and Gold in AP. The weapon suggestion can be found in this thread: http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/38341

I personally don't think that the Damage Bonus that is going to be added to Argent Peacemaker should be Undead, but Fiend. The weapon as it is now, deals best with Fiend and Undead, and since it will be changed to a full Elemental gun, and Undead are already weak to Elemental, there's no such reason to add Undead Bonus instead of Fiend Bonus. That, of course, in my opinion.

I'm not a user of Radiant Sun Shards, but bombers seem to enjoy it even with its Dual Special Damage. I've heard a lot of complaint to its changes, so I think it would be best to leave it untouched.

No comments over Sentenza, I think it should be the very best change to this weapon. As for Damage Bonus to it, I don't think any should be added, or if it is, it's going to be something bad. Unless, of course, it's a Undead or Fiend damage bonus haha.

PLEASE do not change RSS to pure pierce OR elemental.
I think it's a great wep with split dmg.

I hate people.

To nip this in the Bud...

Nick already said elsewhere a long time ago that they know what they're going to do with RSS, and NO it hasn't been announced...

Lets just wait and see, mmmmmkay?