though you do make some good points,
not bashing on you though, but about the energy, thats how OOO funds itself ~_~
and i'm sure they could rework the pvp but it would take awhile and i doubt they'd go around poking their noses into the coding to only make it worse or unfixable.

SK isn't the game for everyone. Don't like it, there's plenty more games out there. One rage thread won't change the entire game.

This just sounds like a complaint against the P2W system

PvP is more like a test of your equipment, don't run in there with half-leveled weaponry and expect to win against a fully prepared player.

and one can leave T1 very quickly in a matter of days, so that isn't a big problem... (Or solo.)

I have never heard of an MMO without some form of grinding, even just a small amount.

I thought mecha-knights and fiends were easy. Have you ever changed your play-style? That would probably answer the last one just now...

You can buy CE with crowns...

So far, on par with a couple of other MMO's (the ones on AeriaGames and Jagex's). It's just my opinion, so don't go venting on another fuckwall of text.

What? I'm not kidding.

"This game is bad, but I actually like it, but I'm gonna continue bashing it!"

Ladies and gentlemen, the new definition of bipolar disorder~

But what truly makes the game bad, and what people seem to eat up the most, is this stupidity:
- Almost EVERYTHING revolves around cash currency known as energy. You want to actually play the game? You need energy. You want to craft some new shiny helmet? You need energy. What, no energy? "Too bad, go sit on a corner or give us some greenies" - OOO.

I don't know if you've ever played SK with an elevator pass before, but the game gets really stale after a while. Energy is more like a limiter, because it's better to really want to play more than to shrug off the game from boredom.

@pvp:
lol, PVP is pay to win... if you're... average. I remember seeing Cocosnake (according to forums, guy was a whale of a pay-player) in Lockdown once. He was pretty bad. Triple UV's don't mean anything if you don't have skill/knowhow to back it up. Of course, the better players who do know what they're doing will tend to have focused gear because it HELPS them do what they do more efficiently, but they can still wreck average players without that stuff.

I do miss when bomberknights was more popular and FFA matches were plenty.

@"repetitive", "easy", "energy":

You play too much.

That's all.

Those complaints come the most from hardcore players who a lot of time and want nothing to do with it but play games. To distance you from this equation, I'll refer to myself here as "you", because I used to play that much as well (I'm basically talking to myself from a few months ago in the next few lines):
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It's easy because you've done things so often that you're good at them.
It's repetitive because you've been grinding the same missions the same way because it's the most efficient way to game for 'money'.
Energy is an issue because you're trying to play the game for long sessions.
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It's just a fact that all games marketed as 'free to play' either have lots of ads, or have hooks to make money. If they don't have ads or pay hooks, then the game was probably made as a hobby, and the person(s) making the game either have other jobs or are starving and begging for money. That said, it's the 'free to play' games that grab at your money the most often, because it's all about keeping players engaged long enough for them to want to pay... multiple times. Funny enough, it's usually the games that you 'buy' that you can enjoy the most for your time - they have the least grind, etc. That said, you get thousands of energy for like what, an hour or two worth of wages? Or maybe one hour of wages and you basically get a one month 'subscription' to play through the clockworks as much as you want. It's not a bad deal.

Anyway, I really don't have much else to argue with you here, because I actually feel similar angst against most F2P games - they'll constantly suck at your money or your time. I've at least enjoyed most of my time here, and I've played on and off since what, April of last year (?) and haven't paid a dime, lol.

You know, this isn't a charity; it's a business. Businesses need money. This game's niche in the market is that of a fantasy MMO that is based on the "freemium" business model. That is, one where the endgame content can be reached without paying a cent, but it's faster to spend real money. Admittedly, upgrading didn't used to be so slow, but that's mostly our fault, since OOO doesn't meddle with the CE market. Everything revolves around energy because it's the lifeblood of the business, and all their money comes from the trade and use thereof. See how long you stay in business without making money.

See, to make the most money, businesses have to balance prices and expenses with the number of customers. If they charge too much, they make a great profit per purchase, but with fewer customers, their net profits are lower. If they charge too little, they get lots of customers, but they make little profit per purchase, again resulting in lower net profits. The highest profits are achieved by setting prices to an optimal value that gives them both reasonable profit and numerous customers. Such prices are ideally found using min/max derivative functions, but that's a little beyond the scope of this forum. If no optimal prices can be found that give the company enough profits to overcome expenses, they go out of business.

This is the reason why replies like "if u think this gaem is bad then why ur playin' it?" are perfectly valid questions. In fact, it's an amazing question to ask; if you think the game is so bad, you're not making it any better by encouraging the system that makes it bad. The absolute best way to reduce the effectiveness of the CE system is to stop using it. Entirely. Not even for crafting or Clockworking. Using mist energy gives you crowns, which you can spend on weapons and such that other players produced with CE (if you use the AH). Using CE you purchased with crowns takes CE off the market, increasing its prices and ultimately forcing someone else to buy it with cash. Buying CE with cash supports OOO directly. Anything you do supports the system, so to hurt the system, stop playing. Sure, maybe the actions of one person won't have much of an effect, but if the game really is as bad as you're making it out to be, then you're not the only one hurting it.

So. The game runs on energy. I don't like it, but it's a necessary evil for playing such an awesome game. I happen like SK's evil better than other games' evils. Sure, I'd like it to run on less energy as much as you do, but if I got what I wanted, there wouldn't be this awesome game to play at all, now would there?

Regarding your other complaints:
*PvP is a relatively minor part of the game, and is not bad enough to make the whole game bad, IMO. But I'll admit it does need some tuning before it becomes truly balanced.
*Yes, it gets repetitive sometimes. I think that's a valid complaint, and it has been aired more often in recent weeks on the forums.
*This isn't a game for hardcore gamers, you know. But be that as it may, any game becomes easy once you've mastered it. Perhaps SK can be mastered more easily than other games, but calling it outright easy is a little unfair. It did used to be harder though; I'll give you that.

@OP:
You say that my reply made it sound as if you don't know what you're talking about. I'll put it simply:

You don't~

I'm glad you actually come back to your own posts and reply, I've seen too many people that just create a rage thread and never come back to read the responses.

- Personally I find PvP to be unplayable because of the lag (I'm in Australia), rather than the 'pay to win' aspect.
I would respect you more if you'd actually understand what p2w means and what cash shop implies.
p2w implies that the people who pay have access to items that the other players do not, so apart from the OCH items, nothing else is exclusive to paying players.
Please stop calling this game p2w. Paying to progress does not equal pay to win.

But I believe that the PvP needs to be re-balanced, when they have the time.

- If you think being repetitive is a bad thing, then you better stop eating and breathing, cos you've been 'repeating' that for your whole life.
I have been playing poker with my friends, and playing monopoly (and other board games) with my family for years. Those games are 'repetitive' but that doesn't detract from the fun or challenge to be had.
But if you think it's 'evil' for 3 rings to put in grind, so they pressure you into buying CE, not much I can do about that.
I believe there are far more evil things in this world, and I certainly wouldn't be playing SK if they just handed me pimped out 5* items on character creation.

- Difficulty is subjective. and a game can't be so hard and challenging that it's inaccessible to the majority of the player base. This isn't even the case of the average gamer, it needs to appeal to the majority of the player base.
We all understand that you're awesome at this game, but you want to make it tailored to you? and how you want it? no need to worry about those people who are an average gamer? Now isn't that selfish?

- Lastly, I've posted so much about the Energy system and so many other posts already exist. But in summary.
3 rings needs to make money to continue adding content, and supporting their staff and servers. if you have a better monetisation model that doesn't cost 3 rings their earnings then I'd love to hear it, I'm sure they would too.
And as I have said before, this game isn't really free to play, nor is it pay to play, it's closer to community pays.
as you have noted that as long as anyone progresses then someone would have paid for it.
So instead of being so ungrateful that 3 rings gave you a game to play, how about being thankful to those people in the community who have paid 3 rings so you get a game to play.

TLDR
From what I can tell about your rant, is that everything is from your point of view.
And your view is completely:
uneducated (equating repetitive with bad & not understanding what p2w implies)
nonconstructive (no suggestions or solutions)
stubborn (closed minded and unable to see from other positions in replies)
selfish (placing your needs/wants above other people's)
and bigoted (calling people degenerates and stupid & calling defenders of 3 rings butthurt, naive and excuse makers before even hearing them out)

you know what, this is just my point of view and this certainly isn't going to change yours
but the reason I spent the time and effort to form this reply is because you spent the effort to reply to others

Even tho, your post is kinda true (maybe most of it), guess what, this game is FUN to play.

-Yes, its an easy game, but its fun playing it.
-If you think UVs ruin Lockdown/PvP, go to play T2 lockdown.

"if you ask me, anyone that isn't a spiral drone would also think this energy system is stupid"

So, you're claiming that anyone who disagrees with you is a brainwashed drone? That's... some interesting logic. If you're not even willing to believe that people might have reasons for their opinions, then it's not worth the effort to debate you.

Nothing and noone is perfect. 'nuff said.

There is no clear line as to what is "pay to win", nor does it matter that there is or is not one- everyone has their own definition of what is "pay to win", and everyone acts accordingly... Like all issues that arise, spiral knights is not the first to deal with this- http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1182687-How-do-you-define-quot-Pay-t...

There are 2 distinct views of "paying to win" from what I've seen-

The lenient view: Things like exp boosters, ce revives, energy systems, are totally fine... these all share one aspect: You don't NEED them. Can I get by without a single CE rev? If I'm skilled. Can I get by without a single crafted item? Yes, if I'm skilled.

The stricter view: The things that I mentioned above, as well as most things that give a boost should not be allowed. Does it give me an advantage over other players? If so, it creates a pay to win scenario.

Most views seem to lie on this continuum, with outliers on either side- one could view having to pay for every element in the game to be "fair", given that one could gain money to trade for cash IRL in other games and still win "without paying", or one could believe that buying cosmetics is 'unfair' in that it gives the player more respect (albeit only psychological) or in that it gets them closer to a prerogative (getting cosmetics).

Most people do see Spiral Knights as being "pay to win", and don't play it. There are other games out there, if you don't wish to see the good in spiral knights... the good of course, is as in this thread- in the way that societies of players can form that will ultimately support any one decision, regardless of how bad it may be. There is a great deal to be learned from this, even if there is the same great deal to be learned and more from games like Minecraft Classic.

And yes, all of you are 'brainwashed drones'. You are brainwashed into holding an opinion, which is in this case, typically seen as unhealthy.

The worse thing about this game is that [DEVELOPERS--GMs do not develop the game] tell us they cant do something, or they dont know if its possible, but we find out then it can be easly done with finger in nose and it turns out that OOO just didnt want to do it and was pretending they care about players opinion.

Example: OCH buyable with CE/tradeable

OOO says "UH OH we dont know if its even possible, we are (working) on it"

Third party company hosting Spiral Knights in asia: OCH appears out of nowhere as regural CE buy.

Spiral Knights official site, OCH still remains as $$$$ purchase and OOO is supposed to check out if its even possible to do it other way.

You shouldn't complain about energy. This is a f2p game. F2p games make their money through micro transactions, unlike subscription or buy to play games. In this case, a micro transaction takes place in the form of CE packages, dlc, and elevator passes. Three rings has given you the option to get CE, the only thing of these you need to get to the 'end' of the game, with crowns, which are acquired through play, and not buying.

But Lockdown does suck.

okay let stop feeding the fire here

gotta give him some credit. He has major guts to say this game is bad. Not gonna get a favorable outcome when you post that to forum which is for people passionate about the game lol.

Good sir, this is where people who play spiral knights come to discuss stuff and sometimes hate on the new updates
but, if you come here to hate on the game itself , please , do it somewhere else.

lol remember when we use to make fun of the CoD Fanboy?
looking at these "fight-back" comments just reminded me of ppl who defend games with flaws.
im sorry guys but yea, im gonna have to side with Spaghetti-Knight on this one.
SK is a good game for veterans cuz were used to this. Any new guy just backs off and goes finds another game.

and just for laughs: Imagine or even do it, go make yourself a new account and start over. Play LD with cobalt. No moni involved, no help from anybody but yourself. Dude, it is hard. I dont like playing with my alt because its everything against you.
so please don't put biased comments up when you dont know how it feels to be at the bottom.

I love it when people refuse to read walls of text after expecting us to reformat our views and post them again. Such hypocrisy, everywhere. Why do we even have a forum if we aren't going to hear each other out? Why do we share our views if no one is willing to hear them?

"The good mentor never forces himself on the unprepared. Instead he opens a door and waits for the rain to push them into his warm embrace."

I am truly a fool.