hypocrisy just means to pretend, the morally better was in brackets as an example.
you could be a hypocrite if you pretended you were a bad person but was not.

'that one claims to believe or act on a virtue or moral they do not have or frequently violate.'
this, is correct.
they are acting on a virtue or moral they do not have, or violate.
so showing others to be a virtuous person but actually not, so deception or lying etc..

if someone says 'do as i say, not do as i do' is a double standard, definitely not hypocrisy.
because he knows he's not a good role model, so people should not do as he does.
someone who says 'you should do it this way' and doesn't do it that way themself is a hypocrite.

so yes.. someone who pretends they care, and reads all the posts, and states it.
but doesn't .. is a liar as well as a hypocrite
they are trying to present a virtue they don't actually have.

if you still don't believe me, look up the root of the word, it is synonymous with 'acting' and 'pretending' but modern language has made it a degorotory term.

Just saying.

Being rude and smug for no good reason is a fail at life.

I don't believe in kicking a man when he's down, so that's why I've stopped commenting here.

Graveyard this, please.

I don't think there's any legit reason to graveyard this.
it's not like it's going offtopic or it's just become a flame war or the OP has left.

Either way, it'll do you (Spaghetti) good to be able to objectively analyse situations.
I can see that what you have posted is from your point of view, and your point of view only.

but from the developers point of view, they need to make money, and this is nowhere close to gouging.
as others have stated, if their service or pricing is horrible, people will just leave, take their business elsewhere.
but because they are sustainable, it must mean they are doing something right.

You keep talking about grind? Do you have numbers to back up what you are saying? some sort of evidence?
I've seen free to play players get to 5* in a couple of months. probably even less.
So what is this tier 2 brick wall you are talking about?

and from my perspective, I don't have the time to play SK much. So I paid for CE so I could get to the end faster.
if it was by your suggestion, and only vanity items were sold on the cash shop, I would not be tier 3 either.
I just simply would not have enough crowns to craft gear and progress. isn't that similarly a brick wall?

i'm not one of those elitist p2p people who believe they deserve to have statistically better items.

the only gripe I actually have about the design choices, is the amount of random chance/gambling there is involved with so many aspects of the game.
especially punch and the accessories.

I don't know if you seriously need to be spoonfed this point, or if you're just "pretending", but here I go:

"You want to actually play the game? You need energy."

Unless you're talking about mist energy, this simply isn't true, and judging from what you're trying to argue, I think we can all safely assume you didn't have mist energy in mind, instead trying to say that we have to pay for energy just to even think about getting the game started up and making OOO look like ungodly heathen communists or some bunch of CEOs that smoke cigars in their office suite.

I'll be honest, I'm used to the energy thing now, but not everyone is or will be willing to. A lot of people simply hate that you can't play for longer than a hour a day and leave by the 1st mist tank.

And where, I dare ask, is the data? All we really have is anecdotal evidence lol.

And speaking of anecdotal evidence, I, for one, thought the energy thing was GOOD, because I am a very focused player: I play few games, and I play them a lot. Being in school, I thought the energy thing was perfect because if I ran my energy out, I'd have to stop playing and get on with homework, life, etc. I didn't want to get back into MMOs where you have to permanently calculate skill point allocations and be grinding alongside friends your level or fall behind.

The irony of this, of course, hit when I realized you could actually buy CE from other players and play 'forever'. This was, however, back when:
- CE was 4-5k - perfect for the hordes of T2 players at the time.
- You had to craft or buy all your gear (recipes and all) to move up.
- You could make money without playing a full run, finding the in-demand recipes at Basil.
- If you wanted to play vs a boss (assuming no guilds/other friends), you'd have to actually use energy and run extra levels... or get lucky and join an arcade run that's already almost there.

There was no PVP to keep you playing when the mist was out, and no missions to auto-lock the game into the-only-4-stages-you-will-ever-play-EVER (we'd have to actually play through other stages to get to the profitable ones, and arenas were actually a thing!).

I started with a group of friends from school and we were in tier 3 in 2, 3 weeks at most.

Times have changed, and if you're a new player now, I can only imagine what that's like.
- CE is well beyond 8k now, perfect for the hordes of T3 players... but wtf @ people starting out?
- Missions give you T2 gear. Missions give you recipes for the direct upgrades to the default gear. If you want to buy a non-standard recipe, you go straight to hall of heroes.
- If you want to play a boss, you just repeat the mission.

The process is actually a lot more efficient and more visibly a grind now, since there's almost none of the playing-through-actual-levels thing anymore so people go straight to the boss maps, and they rarely see some of the variety that made the game fun lol.

As much as I hate to say it, I kinda agree with the Knight of Spaghetti. Though I doubt his choices in armor material, he does bring up things that a lot of us have been too afraid to say about the game we love.
That title though is a little too much like troll-bait. Makes people get too flustered to say sensible things. Maybe change it?

Anyways, as I'm sure a lot of the forumites can attest to, the game is fun to play. The battle system, levels, and other elements that make up the core gameplay are fun and work fine. It's when you get into the finer details that things get a little... problematic.
The energy system in theory works great as a limiter for playtime so people don't go overboard, with a way to extend the allotted playtime in and out of the game. Using the same energy for crafting and some extra monetary purchases also makes players more wary of how they spend that energy. Having the nearly the entire market run by the players is also really great... in a way. However, this system generates problems when other factors start to come into the picture.
OOO is being as kind as they can with keeping nearly all of their content available for all the players, whether they pay or not. It brings them more players to play their game who may in turn bring in more of their friends to play the game as well. However, to make players more likely to pay money on their energy packs, the energy prices of ascending the tiers gets absolutely ridiculous. The time needed to put into the game if you're a free player is tremendous with the small output of crowns in the first two tiers. It feels like an utter grind-fest just trying to make a single piece of 4* equipment. With how reliant progression in the game is on energy and just how expensive energy is nowadays, it's turning away more players (old and new) than pulling them in.
Like Seiran, I was around when energy prices were FAR lower and getting the higher tier equipment wasn't all that much trouble at all. I never took advantage of it and left my knights with 3* equipment and now that I have the time to play again, I just can't due to the horrible grinding and mission farming required to make the higher stuff. If I were a new player who never got attached to the game, I would just up and leave this game because right now it isn't worth it to keep playing unless you have the money or vast amount of time and patience to put into the game.

Aside from the rather stupid energy and progression problems, there's also...
- Equipment balance issues. Far too many armors are seen as novelty items that can't hold a candle to the more versatile sword, gunner, and bomber armors. The same goes for a lot of weaponry that just can't dish out damage as quickly or as effectively as others. Then there's the equipment that is just annoyingly disruptive to other players or just plain overpowered (Polaris is a good example).
- Lack of content that truly builds on the game and its world such as more story related updates. Seriously when are we ever going to get to that Core?
- Lack of transparency between the player base and the developers. The GMs and the forum admins talk to us quite a bit, but in most cases they aren't the same folk who create the new content. It would be nice to hear some feedback over on the suggestions forums about whether or not they think any of the ideas thrown about there are ever being listened to. Hell, or if even the testers on the testing servers are being listened to, considering the backlash over the recent shard bomb change.

I love the game. I really do. The gameplay is still some of the most unique and fun stuff I've played and the art style is really fantastic. The world and what little story they've decided to add in also help make my past experience with the game really wonderful.
I don't like, however, where it's going. The constant simplification with Missions, the Hall of Heroes, and difficulty as well as the negligence of the Arcade, equipment balancing, and feedback from the playerbase is getting a little out of hand.

And this is a little random, but I think it would be great to hear what a brand new player has to say about the game. Someone new who's never really heard anything about the game and see what they think about it. I think that would give us the best idea of the state of the game and what needs to be worked on. And I don't mean one of those idiots who come to the suggestions forums after two minutes demanding the immediate removal of the energy system. Someone who can form actual thoughts would do much more nicely.
Does anyone know someone we could get to do that? My circle of friends is rather lacking in people who haven't played the game...

"I'll be honest, I'm used to the energy thing now, but not everyone is or will be willing to. But the energy limitation really spoils it..."

Then you aren't used to the energy idea. You've got to be kidding me...

I do not understand what you are trying to accomplish here Spaghetti-Knight, but one thing I do know is that you are truly a fool when it comes to supporting your own argument. As I mentioned earlier to a few others, you are not supporting your opinion that the "Game is bad", in fact, you are doing quite the opposite. If you really did think this game is bad, you wouldn't (and shouldn't) even be posting on the forums. If you think "the game is bad", go find something more interesting to do than insulting the developers and making everyone's lives miserable. As I said earlier, I do not understand what it is you are trying to accomplish here.[Same thing goes with @Vinnydime, if you think the game is horrible then stop posting and find something else to do. You are only making other people miserable]

@Vinnydime "I'll be honest, I'm used to the energy thing now, but not everyone is or will be willing to. But the energy limitation really spoils it..."

I've posted this a lot of times in other threads complaining about stuff related to energy, but I shall post it here again anyways. How long does a run usually take? About an hour. 1 run (lets say from depth 0-moorcraft manor) uses up about 50 energy regarding you don't revive (and if you do its kind of your own fault). A lot of us play for more than 1 hours, so we go on another run, only lets say you revived on your previous run, so you only have 40 energy left. The entire run will still take about 40-50 minutes. You've played for about 2 hours now, and if you play for more than that then either 1. You are addicted or 2. You just like staying at home and don't appreciate the real meaning of life.

If you run out of energy, go find something else to do. If you live by the seaside go for a swim, catch a wave. If not, go out for a walk at the very least, because if you are tired its usually due to the lack of oxygen in your body.

@Zopyros-Il (Not gonna post what you said here since it will take up too much space)

A lot of people also complain about some items being overpowered compared to others (like the Polaris). But its hard to create an entirely new weapon with new stats, looks, and effects without it being the same/overpowered/underpowered compared with others. Just like a writing a story, its impossible to make something new complete out of scratch, not having any resemblance to other items. Nowadays stories and videos are predictable due to the fact that there simply aren't enough ideas, if you somehow manage to read every book in the world and watch every movie, you will realize that they all have some resemblance to another.

"lack of transparency between players and GM's" Because after a day of work I will sooooo want to talk to every single person playing the game. Even for GM's who are supposed to monitor the forums, it isn't too fun posting a reply to every single thread on the forums and a reply to every single post. People have other things to do too

" - Lack of content that truly builds on the game and its world such as more story related updates. Seriously when are we ever going to get to that Core?"
If they released that update straight away then we would've finished the entire game, the developers' stalling just builds up the excitement/tension if you ask me.

@Luckyle Lol? I found myself =) http://www.detoxdrinks.info/images/papaya_detox_drinks.jpg

You know. None of you guys are going to convince the others guys so you might as well just stop rewording the same ideas over and over again. I agree with the Papaya. I also kind of want to hear the administrator's opinion on this stuff.

@Spaghetti #122
much better, not objective, but definitely with numbers to back it up.
just to correct some mistakes, you wouldn't actually kill Royal Jelly for crowns.
if you only wanted crowns you'd just do the 2 stages before.

the game has changed a lot since I last played, but not sure if arena and jelly farm payouts have been nerfed, because those were better. Not sure if there's a mission that leads you directly to there tho.

either way your estimate of 4* being 29 days doesn't mean they can't get to 5* in 60 days (couple of months)
were you trying to refute my statement that f2p players can get to 5* in a couple of months?

and you still haven't answered me about the solution to the developers not making as much money. who's going to pay for their lively hood?
don't forget your objective and backed up numbers.

also about people like me who don't have the time to play the game, and want to spend money to make the experience smoother or faster.
i'm not as worried about the 29 days to get to 4* as the amount of hours I have to spend playing the game to get to FSC.

I'm not gonna get involved in any arguments, and I may be tooting my own horn, although I'm sure other people have done it. Since SK was released I have gotten to Tier 3 status and a full 5* loadout 3 times without putting a dime... penny, into the game or helping them with alts (I left the game twice...).

And all the money I've put in it have been for cosmetics to make me look pretty. I'm sure it's harder now but... y'know if you don't like it you can go elsewhere.

~The Mighty Cheese Knight; WeeGee

Understood, but I still think the way @Spaghetti-Knight "informed" the players and developers was too harsh 0_0
@Weegeeftws (and kind of for you too Zopyros-II =) )
Yeah, back when the game was first out of beta energy was cheep =) That's one of the reasons I got to where I am right now XD Lowest energy price I've seen is 2.5k 0_0

Thanks for reviving the thread Griseolar, I was so happy when it went off the first page, and now its back 0_0. Lets just stop posting and let the thread slowly drift away.

-_-

Can you compare another similar facebook tier game with a similar system?

The thing about you Spaghetti-knight, is that whenever one of us support the game. You call us mindless drones or something without giving a valid counter argument. By saying "the rest of my answers are dumb as well" that means either 1. You gave into me or 2. You aren't bothered to support your own side of the argument. For your information Mr.Spaghettio, I can take in criticism to the game quite well. In fact I was one of the many people who made a thread on the suggestions forums before wanting energy prices to be lowered, or let there be no energy. I saw that everyone was unhappy with that suggestion so I just let it go, you however are as stubborn as a donkey. And you STILL haven't told me what you are trying to accomplish here.

So before you start posting more "suggestions" please tell me what you are trying to accomplish here. If you are trying to suggest things (in a very one-sided way I dare say) please move this to the suggestion forums.