Or shoot. Bombs have less of a problem.

There's no skill involved when you can be an AA bomber~

This failure of logic...

AT=Game Feature
UVs=Game Feature

/Whining about how AT makes everything so unfair because people 'abuse it'.
/"I have ASI and MAX gear"

Hahlolusrs.

"or you think that Jemps can kill without it???"

Haters gonna hate.

And, yes, they can :3

Your logic sucks.

That's actually not true. Auto target will assist certain weapons, it all depends on what your wielding. Yes, when facing Jempire, the very least of your worries is auto target but the assist helps, i.e, brandish.

And again, I can do a 1,2,3 flourish combo while having perfect aim. That doesn't indicate auto aim :)

EDIT; Also it apparently helps striker gunners when standing still with the alch/antigua line if I'm not mistaken(?)

Honestly, the biggest flaw in Jempires strategy is that they all use Skolver while they blind the screen with polaris. If they'd just man up and admit what they do and wear gunner gear, they'd basically be invincible.

AA affects all gunners (striker or otherwise), but only when they stand still. Guns like Calla that force you to stand still anywyas automatically get AA (like swords) but since antigua/alch guns allow you to move, you can cancel the AA by doing so. If you stand still while you shoot them, you get your AA back. Unfortunately, due to travel time of bullets, this doesnae actually do that much to help, and really only aids in counter-latency. Except with Antigua; the fast bullets really do help, and you can certainly notice a difference with AA on using them.

Ofc, using it with bombs is just OP enough to deserve AA being removed for everyone, everywhere~

Hey, don't get me wrong I'm well aware that it's an effective strategy. I'm not hating on it at all, I accept that Jempire is a metagame pvp guild. But every single time I've played against them, I honestly see more polaris than any other weapon.
It's not hating on them for it; I genuinely, genuinely believe they'd just be better off using gunner gear. Unless they just happen to use polaris ten-fold in matches EoS is involved in, than the rest of their matches where they may use it far less to the point where the skolver bonuses actually get used.

It's not hating, but I figure if you're gunna use a gun more than double the amount you use your swords, then I'd just use gunner gear. Although coming from a bombers perspective, I guess I should be a bit less surprised that the only thing I see is polaris. Then again, I'm also a bit surprised that they can't think of a more creative method to deal with bombers, as I've seen plenty of players in Randoms deal with bombers just as efficiently as polaris-spam. I guess that just comes down to a laziness factor: "polaris works, why bother trying anything else?".

-I've seen plenty of other guilds to the same thing, but they never get called out for it.

I'm with you on that one, though. Jempire is by no means the only "offender" and I wouldn't go as far to say they're the worst, as...well, they're no worse than many other guilds (or even just players in Random). Jemps do get the brunt of the attacks; I guess that's just because they have such a high presence in GvG that people see Jemps more and thusly have learnt to associate them to it over other guilds who do the same thing but far less often, relatively.

And if we remove heart trinkets, more people can actually use skill to play, and the game wouldn't be so unbalanced!

"I insist, using AUTOAIM in LD is like using aimbot is counter strike."

With that logic I could say MAX UVs are like adjusting the Nanosuit mode-numbers in the text files for Crysis.

If you don't already know, that makes your character faster, stronger, and be able to tank more damage.

A lot more.

"But the fact is 90% of times your team mates kill me, is with a 3 hit autoaimed combo or a GF double autoaimed swing."

I suppose you were looking over their shoulder's while they played so you could see the AT arrows being active?

/isunconvinced

"but if we remove AA from the ecuation, for me EVERYTHING could be way more easy, allowing me to masive kills without problem."

/refers to Dragneel's point.

10m crowns = ( By the price of CE before a month ~9k cr ) That's about 111k CE.

Now for Feller = ( 10m crowns ~ 111k CE ) + 200k CE = 311k CE.

311k CE equals in crowns = 27,990,000 million cr.

311k CE equals in $$$ ~ 690 $

I guess that 28m can't be farmed, unless you devote your life in SK. But anyways, that's not my point, I was talking about his selfishness.

Whatever, I don't care how did get get that money, but just to clarify things, I know some "Big Traders" in the SK world that have spent atleast once or more in this game. You too missed what I said :P "But anyways, that's not my point, I was talking about his selfishness."

* I'm F2P, deal with it, in 3 months I made all the ce you count.
* UVs any one with luck can get one, like vintage or wierd equipment in Team Fortress 2

BUT HAVE YOU EVER SEEN AN AIMBOT IN TEAM FORTRESS 2??????!!!!!!!!!

Having an aimbot feature just goes against all PVP rules..

I mean OOO is aiming for YOU, that's just sad, and try to fight 3-4 people spamming GF AND FF against you with Autoaim, mot even max UVs can help you with that.

I agree with Echoez, UVs not only makes you faster, it BREAKS the balance. Just see the difference between a Non-UVer against a High asi UVer, in most cases the UVer will win, either with AT or without it. And you compare TF2 with SK ? What logic is this ? 2 different games with different systems. In Team Fortress everyone have the same weapon "The other weapons are compared with disatvantages". There was a suggestion about making LD with weapons for all, so everyone will have the same chance of winning or killing, the things that gives you advantages are : Latency and Skill. But sadly, OOO won't do this because the richies will get angry and cry over that, because they spent bazillion crowns on UVs and Resistances.

Feller, I want to know.

What is your thoughts about removing trinkets in ld?

"It is if you're a keyboard user~"

Actually, Ive been playing a lot lately with a 360 Controller I got (Tons of fun Indeed), I can move in a very diferent way, and it takes a little bit more effort poking someone, the only downside I see, is that its imposible using Guns (Even Polaris), and Weapon switching is very hard, Other than that, everything is perfect.

Unless you are playing with a Touchpad, then doom awaits for you.

Couldn't say for controllers, but I never said it was impossible; just hard (certainly far, far harder than usin' mouses).

A touchscreen computer is nono on Spiral Knights...

Just... imagine all the rages.

*PINPOINTS THE DUDE SO BADLY LIKE A ANGRY UNCLE*
*FINGER SPAM*

GAAAHHHHHH

/e slaps everyone with their problems

@Bacon:
Because playing shooters simply aren't an option for keyboard only users. However, SK is an option for them, thanks to features such as AA. They get to have the full experience without requiring a mouse. Why should they have LD taken away from them just to appease a bunch of QQrs who can't even decide whether or not they think AA is a good or a bad thing?

Eveyone keeps complaining about all sorts in lockdown...
if u ask me, id say..

"if you cant beat them, JOIN THEM"

I find it both amusing and irritating how he doesn't counterpoint or argue points, but would rather spout elitist fecal matter all over the floor.

People will use other classes adn other loadouts...

Good gunners gets bored in LD because X player spam 3 hit combo or 2 swing GF with AA.
Bombers gets the same treatment
No UV people rage because of the same..

But if suddernly "BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM".... OOO not aiming for you anymore...

Everything changes...

Everything gets more real..

Everysingle hit you do will have YOUR SKILL on it..

We will have a REAL PVP

The irony here is rich.

"Everysingle hit you do will have YOUR SKILL on it.."

And about 6 VH UVs behind it.

Same difference.

i like how ye put us skolver peoples into girly dancers like one of those from prima donna's.

or better, penelo. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAsdlkfjsdlkfjaklsf

"10 Years later: 1v1 Lockdown mode is finally out"

trust me, nobody is trying to look forward into my ideas. i should have taken a job for writing stuffs about people, and be a cowardice reporter. sdlksdflklsf

Normally I don’t really get involved, but this has been going on for a long time and even people in-game are being influenced which in my view is a pretty biased opinion. First off removing auto target to avoid arguments is not even a close to a good reason. People are just going to find something else.

Personally I wouldn't mind if it got removed or if it stayed, but lately I feel the use of AT has been really overstated and is made out to be some kind of forbidden magic. Some people especially feel this invalidates their claim to Lockdown fame and made it their personal vendetta to get it removed.

I feel quite a few people approach this game with the wrong mindset. This is a pretty simple game in its fundamentals and as such it attracts many casual gamers. Even the mist system is build around this premise and I would assume Three Rings developed the game with this group in mind. As such it does a bad job at what some people want it to be, a competitive PvP game.

A competitive game is in my opinion one that is balanced or pretty close to balanced to either party or players competing against each other. Auto-target does nothing to improve this as everyone has access to it making it a balanced option. What removing it would do is increase the skill cap. Though I would argue not as much as some people would make it out to be. The main thing removing AT would do is increase the skill gap between the hardcore Lockdown players and the casual ones. This might force more casual players to quit playing out of frustration and this might be what some LD players want it isn’t in OOO’s best interest at all.

Currently the skill gap between the hardcore LD’ers and casuals is pretty large already as it increased by a number of advantages mainly uv’s in this case. That isn’t the problem off course as that gives the complainers an edge over others.

Advantages you gain over others while others might be unable to get the same things causes the game to be uncompetitive and even decreases the skill needed to defeat those who don’t have the same opportunities. The biggest one is off course uv’s it causes you to do more damage, requires your reaction times to be lower, take more hits and be immune to status effects. If you have those against a player of equal skill and he does not that improves your chance to win drastically. I would say they have a bigger impact on the skill level needed to beat players who don’t have them then auto target. If the skill gap between two players is reasonable uv’s won’t matter that much. Only when you play against people on the same level who have slightly worse or better uv’s then you do really notice the difference they make.

Other then that things like ce reviving, which greatly increases your up-time and trivialises retreat and heal decision, and the big latency difference in this game are what make this game unbalanced. In competitive games people from different continents don’t generally even try to play seriously against each other online. All the imbalance in Lockdown comes from the way this game is designed and it is pretty unlikely that it will ever be evened out, but that is fine if you just accept what this game is and isn’t.

Also please stop calling auto target, auto aim. It isn’t even close to the same thing and comparing AT in this game to an aim bot in Call of Duty makes you totally look biased and clueless about the subject.

I know quite a few points have been mentioned already in this thread it felt important enough to reiterate them. And like I’ve mentioned before this is a more casual style game and don’t try to treat it like sometime else. You’re better off playing another game if you want that kind of experience as I know I would as Lockdown is always going to have it flaws in that regard. Please let the more casual players have their fun too and if you’re so good then you should have no problem with them anyway. :)