The New Forge System CONCERNING Issues
Wed, 10/30/2013 - 15:34
#102
I've farmed some radiant
I've farmed some radiant crystals as well - enought to fully heat up several weapons. So I'm in safe for now.
Yet, I agree, the drop for radiand fire crystals is ridiculously low. When I finish a danger mission on elite difficulty for Vanguards, I expect at least several 5* crystals, not over 30 of 4*. I ran with my friend few days ago through whole arcade (0-29) on elite. How many 5* fire crystals we've obtained? Insane amount of 3(!) crystals. Oh wow, I'm gonna heat up so much stuf with it.
For now, for me at least, the only one place I can farm radiants is (gasp!) FSC.
I don't expect to get radiants from every depth of stratas 5 and 6, but for god's sake! I hoped last bugfix would do anything with it.
To people saying "lol buy those from supply depot" - don't expect some people to pay 700 energy for 50 crystals. 100 energy more and I can have new weapon 5*. If those were cheaper - sure, I can buy some.
Wed, 10/30/2013 - 15:38
#103
@Wolfe-Knight
The main thing that annoyed me about the lol and /laugh thing was that faces would also trigger them. So :P was /derp, :D was /happy, and :( was /sad. In addition, if you typed "lol I didn't mean to do that!" it would still treat that as if you ONLY typed "/laugh"
And yeah, people hang too heavily on the words of Devs. I'm not saying you should doubt every thing they say... but come on! Yes the core was promised and we know that you want it... but they promised it YEARS ago! Give it a rest, they gave up on that idea!
Wed, 10/30/2013 - 15:40
#104
@Xtweeterx
Please read the thread before saying 'anybody thought of that >_>', it was indeed thought of.
They said the new boss would be T3 though, so I doubt that the Radiants will be there. If they are (and OOO isn't lying, which is completely and utterly impossible), then they'd make it so that D21-D29 would have crystals at one point in the clockworks but not at another? That's weird.
Wed, 10/30/2013 - 15:54
#105
@Grimranger
I do know the new boss is T3. Which all boss levels are in the stratum before the next tier (Stratum 6). I'm just saying it's a possibility there might be lots of radiants in there. If not we'll still do UFSC/the SL version of the new boss.
There's still shinings in FSC. It's possible the new boss could have radiants, but there's no way to prove that until the update launches.
I have 1500+ radiants so I'm also good.
Wed, 10/30/2013 - 15:54
#106
I just did
@Heavean-Cupcake True, I did a whole run from depth 0-29 and found around 2-4 radiants at most, most at the very last stratums, which will take quite a looooong time.....
Wed, 10/30/2013 - 16:14
#107
Well then.......
I guess I will repeat the fact that you don't really need radiants, for only shining and those 3 star crystals are important, for your weapons can't be alchemized anymore. Also, I'd like to point out the fact that this is probably linked to the extended storyline update. OOO fixes bugs pretty quickly. I mean, the glitch in which you could dash out the elevator while it gave you the option to go down or up was fixed in less than a week. This suggests that:
A: OOO decided that there is no need to fix it because new depths and storylines are coming soon which will drop radiant crystals, or
B: OOO has decided that it needs fixing, but is on the last of their bucket list because they are too busy for the extended storyline and because it shouldn't be that much of a problem and people like me are enjoying getting shining crystals.
Wed, 10/30/2013 - 17:31
#108
A
If I Had to pick A or B, I'd say it probably be A.....
Wed, 10/30/2013 - 19:25
#109
I'm a rather new player,
I'm a rather new player, having only finished all of the missions last weekend (of this post). I too am greatly discouraged by this new crystal levels. No longer can I get my shining fire crystals from certain levels (thankfully farmable + relatively easy), but I can not heat up my existing 5* armours.
(Divine Avenger lvl 9, 65/105)
(Skolver Cap lvl 4 )
(Strike Needle lvl 9 )
(Silent Nightblade lvl 7)
Etc. Etc. Etc.
I too am affected by this update... I do hope that OOO will fix this very soon or at the minimum release the new missions.
Ironically, I also believe that this might end as after the shroud of apocrea event ends (November 3rd) due to the extra levels... but that may be me just hoping.
SPEAKING of which, one shouldn't get too excited about the new T3 boss. His "missions" will probably take place in between some of the earlier missions, like the pet missions. Then again, they might surprise us (me).
Wed, 10/30/2013 - 20:28
#110
Depth past 29
Well I understand and annoyed of the new drop rates of rarities, like the time i found a eternal at RJP >_>, but I do feel that the radiant fire crystals are going to make a come back in the next mission Arc. No not boss, Arc, since they did state that they will be making missions to a new boss. I presume that this new arc will travel farther below the depth past the core. Why I assume this, simple Apocrea already exist past the core on D30 as the final floor. This assumes that we can go to a deeper depth that is past the core but not into it. Even though they drag you through their realm, does not mean that we cannot have a 7th stratum, which does exist secretly, without opening the core.
Now what I am by 7th stratum that is secretly hidden, is exactly what I said secretly hidden... inside danger rooms.... on the 6th stratum. Now here is something for those that do not know about +1 stratum difficult in danger rooms. Basically in danger rooms, monsters spawn as if they are in the difficult in the next stratum that is why danger rooms are refereed to as danger rooms. So want a large amount of Radiants just head for Arcade stratum 6 and enter and complete every danger room you come across. Also due to the change of rarity drops it is a -1 stratum in drop rates but D28+ is considered a bridge between 6th and 7th stratum where Radiants have a chance to drop. You neccessarily do not have to grind FSC D28 for Radiants you are better off locating an Arena on D28 to produce Radiants this is what I do and currently doing during this drop rate catastrophe.
So here is a break down for those that want to find Radiant Fire Crystals:
Slight chance for Slight Radiant Drops; D28, D29
Arenas on D28 are better to farm Radiants due to high yield of Chests.
High Chance for Slight Radiant Drops; Stratum 6-Danger Rooms
Decent number of chest and Stratum 7 difficult based drop rates
I hope this helps those that are having troubles grinding Radiants :3
Wed, 10/30/2013 - 20:40
#111
Thanks...
Thanks Stevel, I could try the arenas and danger rooms, but it is very likely that if you are not a super strong or skillful player, you could easily die and end up gaining nothing instead :\
Wed, 10/30/2013 - 20:49
#112
Your Welcome
Abcdz well Danger rooms represent the difficulty equivalence by their Stratum +1 counterpart.
Example:
Stratum 6 D24 Danger Room Difficulty = Stratum 7 ~D30 Difficulty
Also their is Mode Difficulty so if you are not up for the task of elite drop to advance or normal you will at least yield more Radiants then D28 FSC. Also friendly help is also a great assistance in your adventures in grinding Radiants in Danger Rooms. Oh, last but not least knowing the arena before hand will keep you keep alive in most cases.... except that blasted gun puppy one >_> i really hate that one.
Wed, 10/30/2013 - 21:06
#113
Make sure...
Yes, I will make sure and bring some strong friends that I have along with me so all of us could benefit together.
Thu, 10/31/2013 - 08:15
#114
The thing is that
The thing that is bothering me me is that that OOO is keeping silent while the apocrea is almost ending. So I guess we will have to wait and see........,,..,.,
Thu, 10/31/2013 - 09:03
#115
Wolfe-knight applauds
OOO often stays quiet and for good reason. Whenever they post some people take their words for promises and expect those words to come true (IE: saying the iron slug needs a buff). Another thing is if they say something people do not like the forums go into a uproar (IE: saying the obsidian weapons function differently). Silence may be bad but sometimes saying anything is worse. (You know the reasons behind why they remain silent have already been discussed here).
A few people have said this and I feel it needs repeat every so often. The drought only appeared with the apocrea event and thus it is not illogical to feel that they are linked. The rise in shinings and the use of 4* weapons to craft also forms a stronger bond between the two events. The best thing to do is to withhold judgement until after apocrea is finished.
Thu, 10/31/2013 - 09:04
#116
@Stevel
I've seen depth +2 or 3, not stratum +1.
Its most noticable when doing stratum 2 danger areas. D5 do not spawn T2 monsters, but D6 does.
Thu, 10/31/2013 - 12:11
#117
@Wolfe-Knight
Right, so silence is better while letting everyone spam radiant crystal complaint threads non stop while people have no idea what is going on. Whether the developers tell us the situation about the current changes to radiant crystals or not it will not change that whatever happened is happening and that people generally dislike it. At the very least people can be at ease knowing what is happening.
Thu, 10/31/2013 - 12:28
#118
Wolfe-knight applauds
@Writhes
Silence may not be better but when the crowd is already outraged sometimes it is best to silently fix things (see lol to /laugh incident posted above). They mentioned the drought once and I remember seeing something like "we are still making adjustments to the drop rate" posted by them. After that people jumped on that post and proceeded to tell them it was the wrong thing to do. Yes, I hate the silence as well but you cant really blame them when all the villagers already sharpened their pitchforks and are at the front door (see Frankenstein's monster for a good example).
OOO has this bad habit of making "boo boos" and not admitting them, at the same time they do fix most of them (Im looking at you sentenza charge). They are also known for taking their sweet time so I have learned to be patient and wait it out. This is why I am just telling people (not specifically you) to wait until after the apocrea is finished to go on the witch hunt.
Thu, 10/31/2013 - 13:08
#119
@Skepticraven
Hm.... First of all I never stated a monster change in teir only a Difficulty that represents a Stratum Shift +1. It also makes sense since I have collect radiants on D24 Danger rooms. I have never paid attention on what monsters spawn in each Danger Room, but I never took that into consideration since my results came back collecting Radiants in Danger Rooms Stratum 6.
Thu, 10/31/2013 - 14:04
#120
@Stevel
First of all, a stratum change infers a monster difficulty change. Its hard to tell what type of monsters spawn in the T3 danger areas because you have to compare their armor (T4 type monsters are identical to T3 except have more armor/damage). This phenomena occurs on danger rooms D26-28 sometimes (I havent yet figured out the +2 or +3 depth shift completely, but it picks one and scales accordingly).
Second of all, by your +1 stratum analysis danger rooms for depth 26-28 drop only radiants. They do not.
Thirdly, its been stated multiple times now - Shadow lairs are the best radiant farming. Why? They are Stratum 7 already.
Finally, I have not yet seen any radiants from D24 danger rooms. I assume the rarity is the same as D26/D27, and are very scarce - but still possible.
Anyways, danger rooms on even stratums on elite are always worth the 3CE cost if you can clear it. Payouts on D5-7 do in fact make a profit. Odd stratums often do not provide profit, even D19-22 (they often break even on elite).
Thu, 10/31/2013 - 16:00
#121
@Skepticraven
First, I never stated that danger rooms "will always" drop Radiants I posted a high chance for slight radiant drops taken consideration of the current redux of the Rarity drop system. I would have posted a always drop chance if, for example things like eternals suddenly dropping in stratum 4 RJP was not a thing, yet it is.
I never considered SL as a effective way to gather Radiants since I rarely attempt them and I have always assumed they range within the confines of Stratum 6 difficulty shifted like the difficulty sliders shifts difficulty. I stated Stratum 6 Danger rooms as an effective way for "all" low level/poor players since the difficulty is not as high as a SL's Difficulty set to be. Also why consider the sunk cost of the energy gate? you already have free elevator costs their isn't even a point to consider such a thing.
Maybe I am wrong on the fact of a Stratum Shift +1, but seeing that you can collect Radiants in D24 - D28 Danger Rooms is good enough to post it. I just assumed a Stratum Shift +1.
You know Nick lets Change the Difficulty Slider to shift Stratum Difficulty including the increased payouts maybe that will solve a lot of problems we are having with this Rarity remake.
Thu, 10/31/2013 - 21:15
#122
Stevel
You are CORRECT
Thu, 10/31/2013 - 22:18
#123
@Stevel
Maybe I am wrong on the fact of a Stratum Shift +1, but seeing that you can collect Radiants in D24 - D28 Danger Rooms is good enough to post it. I just assumed a Stratum Shift +1.
Assumed is not how you originally phrased it. I proposed my data which seems to be a bit more thorough and conflicts with yours.
First, I never stated that danger rooms "will always" drop Radiants
Indirectly, you did. With the +1 stratum and description in post #110, that was my understanding.
I'm awaiting my complete analysis on the drop rates and locations of things until after the redux, but you are welcome to look at my data here. I can say that the danger rooms are also deceiving because they contain 4 green and 8 red boxes. The red boxes inherently have had a higher crystal drop rate. The last change they did seemed to shift orbs and SoLs over to red boxes as well.
Fri, 11/01/2013 - 03:48
#124
Can I sit down? The sky keeps swirling around.
I'm just glad I got the essential 5-stars fully heated before these shenanigans started.
Granted probably less than half of my 95 5-star pieces of gear were heated, but still.
Fri, 11/01/2013 - 04:13
#125
" The last change they did seemed to shift orbs and SoLs over to red boxes as well."
That's not true. I've gotten 3 Sparks of Life through Green Boxes when I was Punkin King Farming. Orbs, however, I have no clue. Haven't gotten any since the Update.
Fri, 11/01/2013 - 12:11
#126
/grrr
So long as they continue to blatantly ignore this HUGE issue, I will not be purchasing anything with real $.
They wanna /derp us around, I'll derp you right back by keeping my wallet closed.
...and this is coming from a Tier 3 veteran with so much heated already.
Fri, 11/01/2013 - 16:32
#127
Lol same
If SK think they could get more money out of us when we buy something, then I guess we don't buy at all :D
Fri, 11/01/2013 - 18:44
#128
And
And thanks Raven for your data! It is appreciated very much
Fri, 11/01/2013 - 22:46
#129
Shad0w
I can f0reshad0w wats g0nna happen....
Fri, 11/01/2013 - 22:55
#130
@Bitsbee
That's not true. I've gotten 3 Sparks of Life through Green Boxes when I was Punkin King Farming. Orbs, however, I have no clue. Haven't gotten any since the Update.
When I said shift, I meant more likely from red boxes (compared to old rate) and less likely from green (compared to old rate). Red boxes are really rare unless you fight bosses/danger areas. I dont have enough data (~1/4 the "before change" data) yet to confirm the new rates, but its just an initial observation and hypothesis.
Sat, 11/02/2013 - 08:16
#131
Red boxes
I'd say every 10 green boxes in tier 3, there would be about 1 red box, or do you have another theory skepticraven?
Sat, 11/02/2013 - 08:52
#132
@Abcdz
If we ignore danger areas, last boss levels, and treasure vaults...
The ratio is worse than that. I'm reading 1467 green to 48 red. Thats about 1:30.
Sat, 11/02/2013 - 14:17
#133
Dang
Now, that is a very very very bad ratio.........
Sat, 11/02/2013 - 19:21
#134
T
Damage
Sat, 11/02/2013 - 20:40
#135
I think the "adjusted drop
I think the "adjusted drop rates for Orbs of Alchemy and Sparks of Life" regard something to the new T3 boss since Shinigns have invaded FSC and radiants have been scarce. I can't remember the last time I got a spark in there. It used to be like 2-4 each run.
Sat, 11/02/2013 - 20:48
#136
MAYBE THEY DIDNT SPEED UP THE GAME WHEN THEY REMOVED ENERGY!!!
The forge is the alternative system to the energy system. And honestly heating up 5* items is only a little bit helpful. small damage bonus + small Chargetime bonus on weapons, and small defense bonus + small health bonus on armors.
HEY, Idea, why dont you buy trinket slots, theyre cheap and last 30 days each, and while youre at it why dont you UV your gear in the meantime.
but honestly the T3 crystals need a little bit of a droprate tweak (higher droprate), but i dont mind if 5* crystals arent edited, all i need is 4* stuff to be able to craft. (speedrunning first depth of FSC is really good, 3-15 (rarely 0) 4* crystals per 5 minutes of your time.)
TL;DR i like the new forge system, could use a bit of a fix, but other than that nothings really changed in terms of gear progression speed.
Sat, 11/02/2013 - 20:49
#137
sorry about that...
DOUBLE POSTS AOIUBDKNSLLFBRLRSIEUAHDJKFSBAL
Sat, 11/02/2013 - 21:10
#138
Lol
I did that too phyrosite, don't worry :D
Sun, 11/03/2013 - 10:01
#139
Lol
WOOPS, double post! Sry
Sun, 11/03/2013 - 10:28
#140
@stevel
After some testing on a gate that appeared a few days ago with a gear level on d28 I can confirm that you are full of crap. The drop rates from danger rooms aren't any different than the rest of the level. D27 has an extremely low drop rate and radiants on 24-26 are non existent even in danger rooms.
Sun, 11/03/2013 - 10:32
#141
hai
It being difficult is the point.
Sun, 11/03/2013 - 11:39
#142
@Writhes
Yep, that's what I am talking about. D 24-26 doesn't exit and D 27 is extremeeeellly lowww. That is the main point of my whole thread.
Sun, 11/03/2013 - 13:25
#143
Bing
.......
Mon, 11/04/2013 - 08:55
#144
Thunder
Gods ain't gonna help you son
Mon, 11/04/2013 - 08:59
#145
gods ain't gonna help you, son.
quit bumping already. we all havesaid everything we had to say. it's more likely that you get a warning than you get another response.
I also killed a mewkat cause you stole my line.
Mon, 11/04/2013 - 18:46
#147
gods ain't gonna help you, son.
You know finding a mewkat is really rare right?
Mon, 11/04/2013 - 23:38
#148
Why am I seeing so many shadows of my thread?
It is just pointless, heavens sake! Look how many thread is just the same topic as mine. Stop stealing. My ideas GUYS!
Mon, 11/04/2013 - 23:48
#149
lol
1. I can see how creative your name is: Abcdz LOLZ
2. As of reply of #145, it officially turned into the mewkat topic.
3.Yes, so many topics on this
XD
Tue, 11/05/2013 - 08:41
#150
+1
I don't like it too
@Traevelliath
This what I was talking about. Whenever they do say something people take it as a sign from the heavens that that will happen for sure, no wonder they are scared of posting. I have no doubt they will fix this issue soon. Side note, I liked the lol to /laugh thingy, though I might be the only one.