Ewww, are we going to rumble over that after 2 years of its death..You managed to make me login at this time, Achy.

You know, speak about yourself (asi vh noob). You are completely ignoring the group which has latency when you are just making the low ping players get stronger than they are. Really, I feel stupid when I have to reply yet again on dumb threads like this. Why am I bothering with this anyway? OOO will NEVER do that, so keep sleeping in honey mdear.

cheers♡

I agree but face it, OOO are a bunch of potatoes that only care about pritty accessories and costumes

This is a stupid suggestion that has been suggested over a thousand times (I'm not exaggerating when I say this.), and it isn't happening. If OOO doesn't listen to good suggestions, why would they listen to bad ones? I too, don't like AT because it gives some players unfair advantages even though some of them can do fine without them, and it messes me up. However players that live in Australia are REALLY laggy, and without it, they would fail a everything in the game. I agree with what Feyi said. We should make custom lobbies for LD.
EDIT:
Just noticed Gianor said the SAME EXACT thing as me...

want to know what more worst than AT? ping2win player with uv and macro
and removed AT or showing people use AT? u seerus? lAAgdown already haunted~ with this thing ld can be dead
you make this thread because you lose to AT user? auto aim not make player become op~
see below, from most useful to moderate main advantage
ping > experience > lucky > uv > AT

old days 100+ active ld player
nowdays 20 - 60+
when AT removed or have dot showing use AT ?? - ??

There are two parts to LD, aim, and movement. Turn on AA, and you only have half as many things to worry about. It's like playing a game on Very Easy...

the only noob here is those who always complain~
accept the truth or use it like other people do, this feature forever bound to sk.. no way to bind it or sell it or even delete it

this feature not even give 180degree aim, and about your fsc.. aren't we supposed to walk in button o.0?
break wheel from front is a cheat or not? or develop failure?
did all of you forget about arcade or mission other than vana? --a
lockdown is not a minigame anymore if alot of people like you still take it as seerus match

@Hollows.

I'll have to disagree there Hollows. I play exclusively with a controller, no AT.
I'll take the liberty of adding to that I'm not exactly bad.
So yeah, it is totally possible. Both for guns and swords.
It's just a matter of practicing instead of turning on easy mode because it takes time to learn.

@Mushy:

That has nothing to do with it. I've hated AT as a feature in PvP since way before I became a rich whiney player.
There are players here that can see the potential for LD to be an actual competitive game. It certainly has that potential.
It has nothing to do with the 'masses' versus the 'elite'. Please put away your Occupy haven signs.

AT is a feature purely because of consoles, and as such has no place in a pc PvP environment.

@Feyi: Then sorry I can't skip right to hard mode without passing Go and collecting $200. It sounds like everyone's argument is that you should skip easy mode and go straight to hard mode.
Using a controller without Auto Target is significantly harder than aiming with your mouse with no Auto Target. I don't know if different type controllers are different with aiming capabilities, but it seemed to me that it was nearly exactly like using arrow keys. Except for the fact that you can move more fluidly. I guess a lot of it might have to do with how you have things set up. I still need to mess around with some of that to see how it effects things (for me). But I really don't understand why Auto Target should be removed it is an aid to help improving your skills. Should I just not use Auto Target while using a controller simply because it can be done without it? No, I'll use it until I get better with the controller, otherwise the jump towards being skilled without Auto Target on a controller is too large. Sure I could practice without it all the time and never once use it, but thinking that one should do that is only trying to press your own opinion onto someone else.

Analogy and parody by replacing the Auto Target arguments with GPS arguments:
"GPS's should stop being manufactured because they are completely useless. People should just learn to read maps and if they can't that means they are stupid. Using a GPS is only taking the easy way out and that's not fair to those who can't afford a GPS. We should make things equal and force everyone to use a map every time they want to go somewhere. People don't need crutches to help them get somewhere, they should just learn how to read that darn map! We live in a knowledgeable society so we shouldn't have to rely upon a GPS to tell us how to get somewhere when we can just as easily look at a map. A GPS is only really necessary for the rich people who are lazy and those who didn't learn how to read maps in school. We should stop relying on GPS's because we won't ever learn how to read a map. I like to feel smart, so if people can't use a GPS, it will make me feel smarter because I know they will be lost and confused when GPS's are finally no longer manufactured. For everyone who can read a map, let'stalk to the President about getting these things outlawed because GPS's are completely worthless because people can just learn to read a dang map already!"

Yeah it's been beat to death... I def side against it, but with an army of AT acherons usually against me, I find no shame in using it against them. When fighting those who don't use it on principle it gets turned off. Way more fun to fight on equal footing then having the edge of an aimbot. In the end, whatev :). AT AP yo faece son! Ima start stun locking people with that Chilling Duelist one of these vids just to show how ridiculous it is.

nobody mentioned it was cheating... it's just a dumb mechanic that doesn't belong in competitive pvp

+1. PS: You talk too much

@Theirillusion: I like that variant too.

@Achys: I was using the analogy of a GPS to try to make you realize how unreasonable you are being by thinking AT should be removed from the game entirely.

Only AT users defend it

You're better off using it than keeping it empty, I'd say. Besides, it's not unnecessary stuff. I know what every single one of those icons are.

Yay another thrAAd

Achys, I would be completely fi.e without AT. But OOO will do what makes the most money with least effort.

Removing AT from LD would make all the noobs quitt, and tthey prrbly make money from ppl getting the asi VHes and such.

I am making absolutely no sense, so the point it:

Not everyone is good. Most LDers suck. Like, they are terrible. They need assistance.

Explanation for nerds:
If we take the bell curve, the people like you Achys (in the 2 sigma range) typically can be good with no AT. Buut people in the -1 to 1 sigma range constitute the majority, and they suck so much that they need AT to not get destroyed by people who are better than them.

.......Lockdown Lobbiez? +1

@Two-Step:
UVs aside, what makes players good isn't just their aim - their movements and timing are far more significant.

I mainly use guns and you'd think I would do amazing with swords with how I aim (and considering that I can make my swords have high-max ASI with trinkets, it sounds godly), but I don't. Yeah, I can 'aim' my swords in the right direction, but I don't have the footwork to avoid getting hit nor the timing to hit them before they can attack (I usually attack too soon or too early when someone's trying to approach me)... and AT cannot help me with that.

Besides, flourish and heavy swords all have wide attack areas, meaning it's okay to "miss" (sideways) a little bit for your first attack. It's what they do after the first attack that starts to separate newbies from experienced players, and that has little to do with how well they aim.

Yeah, I don't use swords in serious PVP much so I don't have that 'timing' for dealing with strikers, but that's just to say that there are way more reasons for people to do 'well' than just say "LOL THEY USE AT SO THEY CHEAT AND DON'T HAVE SKILL".

Sure, maybe there's a point where they can turn on AT and just focus on the movement/timing aspect of it, but again, if they didn't have the movement/timing ability in the first place, they wouldn't be able to avoid taking hits, and they'd 'miss' regardless of whether they're facing the right direction lol.

btw, I have been playing a lot more sword recently, because I had a recon that I was teaching to play and needed to understand his issues with movement and all that. I still won't use swords if I'm playing to win because sword recon is just too gimped in terms of potential.

But oh right, that's the main reason I don't see this as a big problem. I play recon, and I don't have to deal with people locking on to me when I'm cloaked. oh well

Carry on then.
B|

#strikerproblems

Got a question for you guys, why do you care if AA is part of the game or not ? If you're strong enough you should be able to beat players who use AA and if you're not strong enough you can always enable it. I mean, what's stopping you ? Is it the pride of using a built-in feature which corrects your aim ? Well then that's your problem. Funny thing here is that, most of the players who hate on the guys who use AA are just the "elitist" bunch who have nothing else to do except complain about something that gets them killed. Either that or you guys are so bored within this game that you just complain about random stuff.

Either way, as I stated. Good enough players should be able to cope with others using AA and others can just enable it. Also as seiran stated it requires more than AA to be a good player. So honestly got no idea what you guys are moaning about.

AT was added to give newbies an advantage. You might not have good aim; AT can fix that until you can learn to aim better.

So there's no point in removing it; I see it as training wheels, like on a bicycle. Eventually you grow skilled enough to no longer need it.

@Feyi-Feyi
The "good" (subjective) players already are OP. In a PvP environment, some people being stronger than others is inevitable (although I do think SK's PvP could be rebalanced a lot, but that's beside the point).
-They can have a lower ping
-They can have better UVs
-They can have more general experience
Ping > Experience > UVs > AT
AT is useful for the sake of newer players, as stated here: "I see it as training wheels"

AT is useful for people who play pure keyboard or with a controller, where players have limited aiming abilities.
AT is useful for "noob", newer, and middle-class players to fight off the people who have any of the advantages stated above.

Stated by many people: "Work smarter, not harder." Some of players just choose to work smarter to make up for their disadvantages.

I'm a non-AA player and i've worked very hard to raise my accuracy to 85% , but AA players can have 0 aim and turn on AA and suddenly it's an insta-100% accuracy rate that is unheard of(as long as they don't have their back turned to their opponent), so they have HALF as many things to worry about. How many times have you seen a noob in quick succession boost-swing-boost-swing-boost-swing, and your oscillating away from them but they stick onto you because they clicked a box that said Auto-Aim?

All of the training wheels analogies are faulty.
The training wheels you take off after a while. There no need to take the training wheels off here. Ever.

'But Feyi, what about killing a mob instead of focusing on one person?!'
Yeah the developers actually made AT a toggle function because at this point we're pretty sure they don't care anymore.

If you want training wheels, advocate training wheels. Like say you know, an actual training spot for new players.
At this point you're defending the use of an electric bicycle in a sport designed for regular bicycles.

@Mushy:

So wait, you're saying the people who actually did something for their advantages don't deserve them?
And the people who pressed the easy mode button do deserve something?

In reality getting rid off AT is implausible, but I do advocate:

-Lobbies: They solve every damn thing.
-A restriction on who can use AT: 2 bars and under can use it. The rest maybe has to learn how to aim and predict.
Controllers and arrow keys choose themselves to play the game that way. That said: I played both without any AT at a high level.